Akrasia.5469 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Wail of Doom should be a radius effect. Thematically it makes sense as it is a sound like shouts are. It is a perfect candidate for giving necro an active "defense like" skill (because we don't seem to get blocks or the like) even if it's not a true defense mechanic. The main problem with it is the cone shape. If it was a radius effect it could interrupt all in the parameter in the middle of a spike. Being unblockable helps. The ring shape helped for Spectral Ring and I think it would help for Wail of Doom. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigmoid.7082 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Think it's fine as it is and doesn't really need any changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XECOR.2814 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 > @"Sigmoid.7082" said: > Think it's fine as it is and doesn't really need any changes. Its very unreliable as it locks the direction of effect on button press and not on activation after casting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killfil.3472 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Should be a fear... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XECOR.2814 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 > @"killfil.3472" said: > Should be a fear... Daze is better than fear in every possible scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EremiteAngel.9765 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Although the skill is already pretty useful, I like the idea of making it an AOE radius effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix the One.4071 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 > @"XECOR.2814" said: > > @"killfil.3472" said: > > Should be a fear... > > Daze is better than fear in every possible scenario. But the theme and our traits. Maybe chill and fear :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dceptaconroy.7928 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 AOE Daze done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl.8924 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 I like it personally. a straight like or cone shape wave that down a straight line hiting possibly multiple enemies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrHome.1920 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 The cone is okay. The cooldown is just too high for the effect because it did fall behind in the game's powercreep. The cooldown should either be lowered to 20s or the skill should have an additional effect like corrupt 2 or strip 3 boons. But in general before ANet starts to rework warhorn4 they should rework focus4 first, which probably is the most unreliable skill in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl.8924 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 > @"KrHome.1920" said: > The cone is okay. The cooldown is just too high for the effect because it did fall behind in the game's powercreep. The cooldown should either be lowered to 20s or the skill should have an additional effect like corrupt 2 or strip 3 boons. You mean reapers touch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazut.4296 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 > @"KrHome.1920" said: > The cone is okay. The cooldown is just too high for the effect because it did fall behind in the game's powercreep. The cooldown should either be lowered to 20s or the skill should have an additional effect like corrupt 2 or strip 3 boons. > > But in general before ANet starts to rework warhorn4 they should rework focus4 first, which probably is the most unreliable skill in the game. ^This. Scrap Banshee's Wail trait (nobody will ever take this over any of the other 2!!!). Lower both skills cd to 25sec. Adjust their effectiveness with +25%-30% and add another, more interesting trait on its place. Also cone daze is good, don't need to change in any way, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dceptaconroy.7928 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Hey! Forget totally about anything warhorn related if you mention focus 4 its, abhorrent .I've been wailing about that for years...sry -10 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrHome.1920 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 > @"Axl.8924" said: > You mean reapers touch? Focus4 = Reaper's Touch I like its functionally if it wasn't buggy as hell - even the regeneration is pretty good. When synergized with vital persistence and soul eater you get a nice 400 hp/s regeneration. But it only connects by accident. Even when you manage to hit your target the reflect of the scythe to yourself is also buggy and often vanishes into nowhere without granting you the regeneration. In contrast to that wh4 is actually usable in pvp. Focus4 on a moving target has an **in**acceptable amount of rng. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZDragon.3046 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 > @"killfil.3472" said: > Should be a fear... Only if fear gets a buff to being a hard control effect and not a condition that can be ignored (we have been over this a few times now) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZDragon.3046 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 > @"Akrasia.5469" said: > Wail of Doom should be a radius effect. Thematically it makes sense as it is a sound like shouts are. It is a perfect candidate for giving necro an active "defense like" skill (because we don't seem to get blocks or the like) even if it's not a true defense mechanic. The main problem with it is the cone shape. If it was a radius effect it could interrupt all in the parameter in the middle of a spike. Being unblockable helps. The ring shape helped for Spectral Ring and I think it would help for Wail of Doom. Thoughts? The buff to spectral ring was questionable because the wall could fear people indefinitely an unlimited number of times while the ring covers more space and can act as a trap at best you are only likely to get 2 fears per single target assuming your placement is perfect and they walk in from the out side then out side from the inner ring. Dont get me wrong its a good change but it simply should not be used as means to assume everything is better as an AOE A roundabout AOE on this skill could mean - a shorter daze - its no longer unblockalbe - its no longer a daze - the ranger is much smaller - the cooldown is higher - it comes with a negative cost to the necromancer for using it. Remember not everything is better as an all around you AOE and you have other options that can achieve a similar effect If you need this effect just use **"Chilled to the Bone"** same thing as what you are suggesting but a bit stronger and can be cancelled to force dodges due to how overly visible its tell tail is. As for this idea i don't think war horn needs it considering its a magical focused attack thematically it makes sense that it only goes in the direction you point the horn rather than out in an aoe. Its not the same as warrior war horn where its more of a **"thematic inspire your allies to fight"** kinda skill which should blast out in a aoe around you. This attack is meant to hurt people directly in its focused path of fire and so just makes sense that it does stronger effect at the cost of having to aim it. A single deep breath from the casters lungs and excellent craft and use of the dark arts. Its meant to daze anyone who falls in its focused point it with its loud disrupting wail. I did suggest in one of my elite spec proposal things some months a go that the new shroud get a skill on skill 3 (which is usually the cc skill) called Vocal minority. I think it was something like Strip defensive boons and daze nearby foes for some nasty period of time with the primary boons to be removed being stab and protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDevice.2751 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 no more aoe. Pls No more Im actually sick of this class being bombarded with generic aoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James.1065 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 I like the idea to keep it the same (cone shaped daze) just increase the daze to 3 sec and have it also transfer 2 random Conditions on the necro to each target the horn hits. Now that's a real wail of doom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigmoid.7082 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 > @"James.1065" said: > I like the idea to keep it the same (cone shaped daze) just increase the daze to 3 sec and have it also transfer 2 random Conditions on the necro to each target the horn hits. > > Now that's a real wail of doom! Daze duration could get too long with traits and runes. Condi transfer overlaps with offhand dagger and staff. I really don't feel it needs much if anything. Offhand warhorn is an incrediblely strong offhand weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 nah make it 600 knockback instead! use dem lungs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lodjur.1284 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Would prolly need to have range/radius decreased if it became a full circle, I am okay with that tbh, but I am also okay with the current state Imo necro has 2(3 with scourge) great offhand weapons and 1 decent one (focus), getting some better mainhands to go with them is more important imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dceptaconroy.7928 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Focus isn't decent let's get real. Decent means everything works focus 4 doesnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardRider.2980 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 I'd be just happy if warhorn had a blast combo on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felincyriac.5981 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 if only focus 4 was reliable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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