Prophet.1584 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 i've played A LOT of scourge in WvW but have barely touched my ele and rev in a very long time. Which profession is the better zerg DPS? does either backline tempest/weaver or Herald have more to offer than scourge? do you see nerfs incoming for scourge or rev dps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward H Angle.1407 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 A well played soulbeast or daredevil is actually the best DPS by far in a zerg. They also provide plenty of group support with stance share and venom share. My guild routines runs these 2 classes in our comps and we steamroll any group easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 ele has better dps but its riskier since it depends on landing good meteors. rev has more stable dps since its a braindead build. I believe the meta is guard necro rev so anything else is additional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safandula.8723 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 > @"Edward H Angle.1407" said: > A well played soulbeast or daredevil is actually the best DPS by far in a zerg. They also provide plenty of group support with stance share and venom share. My guild routines runs these 2 classes in our comps and we steamroll any group easily. Soulbeast? Plz tell me something about it cuz I'm rly not sure if ur trolling or I missed something. BTW thief has good dps, but it's hard to play, 1 bad move and ull die from random aoe. As mentioned revs and eles has highest dps, but rev is much safer, and gives some more to the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayAction.9056 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > @"Edward H Angle.1407" said: > > A well played soulbeast or daredevil is actually the best DPS by far in a zerg. They also provide plenty of group support with stance share and venom share. My guild routines runs these 2 classes in our comps and we steamroll any group easily. > > Soulbeast? Plz tell me something about it cuz I'm rly not sure if ur trolling or I missed something. > BTW thief has good dps, but it's hard to play, 1 bad move and ull die from random aoe. > As mentioned revs and eles has highest dps, but rev is much safer, and gives some more to the squad. Yes soulbeast bro. Soulbeast was released in 2017 along with POF. It is one of the strongest, highest damage specs along with ele, dead eye, and mirage. You are about 2 years late here. Its like the average WvW player is perpetually 3-4 years behind the learning curve lmao. Rev has highest DPS? Bro 2015 was 4 years ago. Please catch up dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward H Angle.1407 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > @"Edward H Angle.1407" said: > > A well played soulbeast or daredevil is actually the best DPS by far in a zerg. They also provide plenty of group support with stance share and venom share. My guild routines runs these 2 classes in our comps and we steamroll any group easily. > > Soulbeast? Plz tell me something about it cuz I'm rly not sure if ur trolling or I missed something. > BTW thief has good dps, but it's hard to play, 1 bad move and ull die from random aoe. > As mentioned revs and eles has highest dps, but rev is much safer, and gives some more to the squad. Absolutely man, have you ever had a well played SB in your zerg? They easily out DPS any rev. One with the wolf pack is so powerful. And you are right that thief has good DPS and when you have an elite player such as myself, you never die on a thief, certainly not from random AOEs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arctisavange.7261 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Sigh, must be noob players here giving replies to play rangers. You know its really easy to counter your pew pews with reflection walls and any decent zerg will simply soak in your damage via barriers. Theres so many counters zergs have against rangers and if youd fight a proper zerg then you wouldnt recommend ranger in a million years. If you want good damage in zergs then you aim to pick the classes that have the most ranged AOE damage that cant be simply countered via simple mechanics such as reflections. So far the top spot for power damage is taken by weaver and 2nd is revenant. The 2 classes whose main skills are hard to counter aside stepping away, dodging or simply not going nearby. A bunny thief with a staff can be a choice but for that to happen you have to go melee which is very hard in this ranged meta (plus youre heavily dependant on your own zerg), meaning youre far more better off playing ranged classes if you aim to get the most DPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safandula.8723 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 > @"JayAction.9056" said: > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > @"Edward H Angle.1407" said: > > > A well played soulbeast or daredevil is actually the best DPS by far in a zerg. They also provide plenty of group support with stance share and venom share. My guild routines runs these 2 classes in our comps and we steamroll any group easily. > > > > Soulbeast? Plz tell me something about it cuz I'm rly not sure if ur trolling or I missed something. > > BTW thief has good dps, but it's hard to play, 1 bad move and ull die from random aoe. > > As mentioned revs and eles has highest dps, but rev is much safer, and gives some more to the squad. > > Yes soulbeast bro. Soulbeast was released in 2017 along with POF. It is one of the strongest, highest damage specs along with ele, dead eye, and mirage. You are about 2 years late here. > > Its like the average WvW player is perpetually 3-4 years behind the learning curve lmao. Rev has highest DPS? Bro 2015 was 4 years ago. Please catch up dude. do u realise wer talking about zerg dps? ik what skillful rapid fire sb can do, but it has single target dps. thats why i wonder which weapon set is he talking about. catch up with reading, if u want to reply to something > @"Edward H Angle.1407" said: What weapon set do u mean? just plz dont say longbow + gr8sword Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawHat.2639 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 I don't know about Zerging but Soulbeast is pretty decent in havoking we had to add a few to our comp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safandula.8723 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 oh ur a troll from another thread, nvm. to op: ele has higher dps, than rev, but i feel like on avarage, revs do equal dmg to eles. as mentioned above, rangers in zerg has no place due to single target dps, and daredevils has good bombs, but in current meta its rly hard to pull them off: 1 single mistake and ur dead - no passive sustain. if u want to compare ele with rev, i would pick rev, cuz its much safer, and gives more squad support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimon.7840 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > @"Edward H Angle.1407" said: > > A well played soulbeast or daredevil is actually the best DPS by far in a zerg. They also provide plenty of group support with stance share and venom share. My guild routines runs these 2 classes in our comps and we steamroll any group easily. > > Soulbeast? Plz tell me something about it cuz I'm rly not sure if ur trolling or I missed something. > BTW thief has good dps, but it's hard to play, 1 bad move and ull die from random aoe. > As mentioned revs and eles has highest dps, but rev is much safer, and gives some more to the squad. U seem to not know what soulbeast is able to do. It's underrated by a lot of players. Also the ability of 1500 range makes it reset way easier than any other class, if you look at arc-dps. I think I only saw a soulbeast once in DPS meter not reset, after the fight 400k dmg Second place was at 220k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawHat.2639 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 > @"Nimon.7840" said: > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > @"Edward H Angle.1407" said: > > > A well played soulbeast or daredevil is actually the best DPS by far in a zerg. They also provide plenty of group support with stance share and venom share. My guild routines runs these 2 classes in our comps and we steamroll any group easily. > > > > Soulbeast? Plz tell me something about it cuz I'm rly not sure if ur trolling or I missed something. > > BTW thief has good dps, but it's hard to play, 1 bad move and ull die from random aoe. > > As mentioned revs and eles has highest dps, but rev is much safer, and gives some more to the squad. > > U seem to not know what soulbeast is able to do. It's underrated by a lot of players. > Also the ability of 1500 range makes it reset way easier than any other class, if you look at arc-dps. > > I think I only saw a soulbeast once in DPS meter not reset, after the fight 400k dmg > Second place was at 220k People underrate their support while dpsing in small grps also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayAction.9056 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > @"JayAction.9056" said: > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > @"Edward H Angle.1407" said: > > > > A well played soulbeast or daredevil is actually the best DPS by far in a zerg. They also provide plenty of group support with stance share and venom share. My guild routines runs these 2 classes in our comps and we steamroll any group easily. > > > > > > Soulbeast? Plz tell me something about it cuz I'm rly not sure if ur trolling or I missed something. > > > BTW thief has good dps, but it's hard to play, 1 bad move and ull die from random aoe. > > > As mentioned revs and eles has highest dps, but rev is much safer, and gives some more to the squad. > > > > Yes soulbeast bro. Soulbeast was released in 2017 along with POF. It is one of the strongest, highest damage specs along with ele, dead eye, and mirage. You are about 2 years late here. > > > > Its like the average WvW player is perpetually 3-4 years behind the learning curve lmao. Rev has highest DPS? Bro 2015 was 4 years ago. Please catch up dude. > > do u realise wer talking about zerg dps? ik what skillful rapid fire sb can do, but it has single target dps. thats why i wonder which weapon set is he talking about. catch up with reading, if u want to reply to something > > @"Edward H Angle.1407" said: > > What weapon set do u mean? just plz dont say longbow + gr8sword Dunning Kruger Lmfao you’re so clueless you don’t even realize how clueless you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward H Angle.1407 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 > @"JayAction.9056" said: > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > @"JayAction.9056" said: > > > > @"Safandula.8723" said: > > > > > @"Edward H Angle.1407" said: > > > > > A well played soulbeast or daredevil is actually the best DPS by far in a zerg. They also provide plenty of group support with stance share and venom share. My guild routines runs these 2 classes in our comps and we steamroll any group easily. > > > > > > > > Soulbeast? Plz tell me something about it cuz I'm rly not sure if ur trolling or I missed something. > > > > BTW thief has good dps, but it's hard to play, 1 bad move and ull die from random aoe. > > > > As mentioned revs and eles has highest dps, but rev is much safer, and gives some more to the squad. > > > > > > Yes soulbeast bro. Soulbeast was released in 2017 along with POF. It is one of the strongest, highest damage specs along with ele, dead eye, and mirage. You are about 2 years late here. > > > > > > Its like the average WvW player is perpetually 3-4 years behind the learning curve lmao. Rev has highest DPS? Bro 2015 was 4 years ago. Please catch up dude. > > > > do u realise wer talking about zerg dps? ik what skillful rapid fire sb can do, but it has single target dps. thats why i wonder which weapon set is he talking about. catch up with reading, if u want to reply to something > > > @"Edward H Angle.1407" said: > > > > What weapon set do u mean? just plz dont say longbow + gr8sword > > Dunning Kruger > > Lmfao you’re so clueless you don’t even realize how clueless you are. > don't bother with that guy, he is clearly trolling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kicast.1459 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 best zergs dps?... well...warclaw for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiawal.2351 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 They are different kind of damage dealers, their output depends on the situation. I won't try to give an exhaustive explanation (it's far more to it that can be said in a tweet though), just as example: 1. Scourge, Pros: is the best AoE damage close range, in the thick of the zerg, IF properly supported (stab, protection & lots of heals from firebrand) and buffed (fury & might from revs and others). Has a huge burst that can be easily unloaded, and at the same times gives barriers, strips lots of enemy buffs and more. Cons: Almost useless if the team don't push in, useless without very good Firebrand support vs. good teams. 2. Herald Rev: good both up close and long range -- but the "obstructed" bug or "feature" makes it very frustrating, though can produce lots of downeds instantly if it's a focused fire (multiple DPS hitting same spot) and doesn't get obstructed. Has short bursts, but less AoE focused, so has to be timed properly. 3. Weaver (full glass and DPS focused staff builds), Pros: can hit easily from any angle, can hit most targets at once, and if played well stays constantly far above any other DPS in damage output. Cons: most fragile class and build, requires very high effort and perfect timing, have to be highly experienced player to get into proper position -- completely useless otherwise. I play all these 3 and more, and is never about the class & build alone, but the player as well. Even if the class and build is exactly the same, some players will perform way above others in a certain role, class & build, and the underperformers would give far more and have far more fun on another class. You have to be yourself, and fill the roles that fit your temperament and mood, in the given situation on the field. None of these classes will shine otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RisenHowl.2419 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Weaver, then staff DD, then hammer rev, then scourge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage.7145 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > Weaver, then staff DD, then hammer rev, then scourge if you think staff DD can be any good as a DPS class on a zerg you are just *self censored*, but then again you are in KRTA, never fought any propper group because you waypointed/swapped maps sooooo... Answering the OP rev is by far the best most consistent DPS class in WvW followed by scourge, Weaver is only good is you land a sick meteor or 2 on top of a bunch of people who down and then u get the downcleave, so pretty hit or miss depending on how quick/mobile the fights are, for consistent DPS Herald is by far the best option atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God.2708 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Depends on the fights TBH. Weaver excels at fighting map queues, especially disorganized ones. Still sits near the top against most groups >15, but it becomes more and more about down cleave as the enemy shrinks in size. Heralds have a sizeable variance depending on build and legends, which can vary from almost competing with weavers to sitting around scourges. They are effective against just about any size group though. Scourges are catalysts that make the other two work better. They have decent damage on their own, but there is variance based on how close to melee you can get with the other group. (You don't really want to get into melee with the other group). Oddballs. Spellbreakers can sit with heralds against unorganized mapqueues (provided your group is large enough to sustain train vs them). Daredevils can beat weavers, but they drop in usefulness drastically the moment the enemy gets larger than ~20. I've seen holos and scrappers compete with scourges. But they are generally way harder skill cap to achieve a similar result (and don't boon strip). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet.1584 Posted February 22, 2019 Author Share Posted February 22, 2019 thanks for the good advice, and the bad too, i main Ranger/Soulbeast so already know they're great for roaming but just a meme in zergs. I have all 9 classes maxed but only regularly play soulbeast, spellbreaker, firebrand, and scourge/reaper. much appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straegen.2938 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Firebrand, Scourge and Rev are the go-to classes for a reason and that reason is great damage with exceptional support. Ele and its variants are for PPT since guild groups find the rooting of staff on ele to be an issue. > @"Edward H Angle.1407" said: > A well played soulbeast or daredevil is actually the best DPS by far in a zerg. They also provide plenty of group support with stance share and venom share. My guild routines runs these 2 classes in our comps and we steamroll any group easily. The wrongness of this cannot be overstated. AoE classes have a ridiculously higher DPS because they are applying shots over 5 or more targets at a time. A Scouge in a zerg will out damage a glassy thief by an order of magnitude. Single target DPS is mostly pointless in an AoE fight. As for group support, both are laughable which is why medium armor classes are generally not welcome in organized guild groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet.1584 Posted February 22, 2019 Author Share Posted February 22, 2019 > @"Straegen.2938" said: > Firebrand, Scourge and Rev are the go-to classes for a reason and that reason is great damage with exceptional support. Ele and its variants are for PPT since guild groups find the rooting of staff on ele to be an issue. > > > @"Edward H Angle.1407" said: > > A well played soulbeast or daredevil is actually the best DPS by far in a zerg. They also provide plenty of group support with stance share and venom share. My guild routines runs these 2 classes in our comps and we steamroll any group easily. > > The wrongness of this cannot be overstated. AoE classes have a ridiculously higher DPS because they are applying shots over 5 or more targets at a time. A Scouge in a zerg will out damage a glassy thief by an order of magnitude. Single target DPS is mostly pointless in an AoE fight. As for group support, both are laughable which is why medium armor classes are generally not welcome in organized guild groups. So in your opinion which class has the upper hand, a well played scourge or rev? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunkamania.7561 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 bearbow ranger is the best dps followed by nomads thief. DUH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 > @"hunkamania.7561" said: > bearbow ranger is the best dps followed by nomads thief. DUH Lol carefully, apparently some people actually believe thief and ranger are top dogs in zergs haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safandula.8723 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 > @"Prophet.1584" said: > > @"Straegen.2938" said: > > Firebrand, Scourge and Rev are the go-to classes for a reason and that reason is great damage with exceptional support. Ele and its variants are for PPT since guild groups find the rooting of staff on ele to be an issue. > > > > > @"Edward H Angle.1407" said: > > > A well played soulbeast or daredevil is actually the best DPS by far in a zerg. They also provide plenty of group support with stance share and venom share. My guild routines runs these 2 classes in our comps and we steamroll any group easily. > > > > The wrongness of this cannot be overstated. AoE classes have a ridiculously higher DPS because they are applying shots over 5 or more targets at a time. A Scouge in a zerg will out damage a glassy thief by an order of magnitude. Single target DPS is mostly pointless in an AoE fight. As for group support, both are laughable which is why medium armor classes are generally not welcome in organized guild groups. > > So in your opinion which class has the upper hand, a well played scourge or rev? Rev has higher DPS for sure, but even if scourge had half of rev dps, it would be still needed becouse of boon corrupt. Current meta is forced by firebrands that apply almost all possible boons. It forces scourges to boonrip most important ones like stab or prot, so the revs or other dpses can kitten enemies up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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