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Leap spam make ranged classes feel useless and Warriors faster than Thiefs


SeikeNz.3526

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Because if war didn't have their leaps we could keel over at the sight of a ranger longbow 2 spam.

 

Deadeyes kite them

Mirage dodge through their main burst while dropping condi on their head

Ranger kite/evade through their main burst

Necro just press 2 on axe and strip their important boons for them to catch up and continue to kite around them.

 

 

Ranged is certainly not useless, especially since this round of classes do nothing but spam RANGED condi.Yes, I've been seeing more Soulbeasts taking Condi to combo with stupid mirage, burn guard, necro or anything that has a half decent condi build now.

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> @"Lilyanna.9361" said:

> Because if war didn't have their leaps we could keel over at the sight of a ranger longbow 2 spam.

 

>** Deadeyes kite them

> Mirage dodge through their main burst while dropping condi on their head

> Ranger kite/evade through their main burst

> Necro just press 2 on axe and strip their important boons for them to catch up and continue to kite around them.**

 

that is what classes do? this isnt a argument

 

 

> Ranged is certainly not useless, especially since this round of classes do nothing but spam RANGED condi.Yes, I've been seeing more Soulbeasts taking Condi to combo with stupid mirage, burn guard, necro or anything that has a half decent condi build now.

 

im ok with the leap skills, the problem is when they can outrun someone with rune of speed while they don't even have swiftness on, the spam is too much, the cd is too low.

 

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> @"SeikeNz.3526" said:

> > @"Lilyanna.9361" said:

> > Because if war didn't have their leaps we could keel over at the sight of a ranger longbow 2 spam.

> >

> > Deadeyes kite them

> > Mirage dodge through their main burst while dropping condi on their head

> > Ranger kite/evade through their main burst

> > Necro just press 2 on axe and strip their important boons for them to catch up and continue to kite around them.

> >

> >

> > Ranged is certainly not useless, especially since this round of classes do nothing but spam RANGED condi.Yes, I've been seeing more Soulbeasts taking Condi to combo with stupid mirage, burn guard, necro or anything that has a half decent condi build now.

>

> im ok with the leap skills, the problem is when they can outrun someone with rune of speed while they don't even have swiftness on

 

They are chaining three skills to get away from you. Three. Whirl. GS 5. Bull charge. If they don't have those up, all they can do is shield up through their block or if they are Spellbreaker Full counter.

 

They're wasting four or five skills to disengage for AWHILE, you probably waste two at most lmao.

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> @"Lilyanna.9361" said:

> > @"SeikeNz.3526" said:

> > > @"Lilyanna.9361" said:

> > > Because if war didn't have their leaps we could keel over at the sight of a ranger longbow 2 spam.

> > >

> > > Deadeyes kite them

> > > Mirage dodge through their main burst while dropping condi on their head

> > > Ranger kite/evade through their main burst

> > > Necro just press 2 on axe and strip their important boons for them to catch up and continue to kite around them.

> > >

> > >

> > > Ranged is certainly not useless, especially since this round of classes do nothing but spam RANGED condi.Yes, I've been seeing more Soulbeasts taking Condi to combo with stupid mirage, burn guard, necro or anything that has a half decent condi build now.

> >

> > im ok with the leap skills, the problem is when they can outrun someone with rune of speed while they don't even have swiftness on

>

> They are chaining three skills to get away from you. Three. Whirl. GS 5. Bull charge. If they don't have those up, all they can do is shield up through their block or if they are Spellbreaker Full counter.

>

> They're wasting four or five skills to disengage for AWHILE, you probably waste two at most lmao.

 

that would be a waste if the skills was with a big cooldown, with a such low cooldown means nothing, they can chain it forever not for a while, you always can see them using it just to run around the map because they know if they find a enemy the cd will be up fast

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> @"SeikeNz.3526" said:

> > @"Lilyanna.9361" said:

> > > @"SeikeNz.3526" said:

> > > > @"Lilyanna.9361" said:

> > > > Because if war didn't have their leaps we could keel over at the sight of a ranger longbow 2 spam.

> > > >

> > > > Deadeyes kite them

> > > > Mirage dodge through their main burst while dropping condi on their head

> > > > Ranger kite/evade through their main burst

> > > > Necro just press 2 on axe and strip their important boons for them to catch up and continue to kite around them.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Ranged is certainly not useless, especially since this round of classes do nothing but spam RANGED condi.Yes, I've been seeing more Soulbeasts taking Condi to combo with stupid mirage, burn guard, necro or anything that has a half decent condi build now.

> > >

> > > im ok with the leap skills, the problem is when they can outrun someone with rune of speed while they don't even have swiftness on

> >

> > They are chaining three skills to get away from you. Three. Whirl. GS 5. Bull charge. If they don't have those up, all they can do is shield up through their block or if they are Spellbreaker Full counter.

> >

> > They're wasting four or five skills to disengage for AWHILE, you probably waste two at most lmao.

>

> that would be a waste if the skills was with a big cooldown, with a such low cooldown means nothing, they can chain it forever not for a while, you always can see them using it just to run around the map because they know if they find a enemy the cd will be up fast

 

Whirlwind Blade- Ten seconds

Rush- 20 seconds

Bull Rush- 30 Seconds untraited, 27 Traited

Full Counter- 10 Seconds

Shield Stance- 25 seconds

 

If most of these skills are off cooldowns when someone finds you and chases you hard, as a war, you at dead. So yes, these are long cooldowns with how fast our combat is.

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> @"SeikeNz.3526" said:

> > @"Lilyanna.9361" said:

> > > @"SeikeNz.3526" said:

> > > > @"Lilyanna.9361" said:

> > > > Because if war didn't have their leaps we could keel over at the sight of a ranger longbow 2 spam.

> > > >

> > > > Deadeyes kite them

> > > > Mirage dodge through their main burst while dropping condi on their head

> > > > Ranger kite/evade through their main burst

> > > > Necro just press 2 on axe and strip their important boons for them to catch up and continue to kite around them.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Ranged is certainly not useless, especially since this round of classes do nothing but spam RANGED condi.Yes, I've been seeing more Soulbeasts taking Condi to combo with stupid mirage, burn guard, necro or anything that has a half decent condi build now.

> > >

> > > im ok with the leap skills, the problem is when they can outrun someone with rune of speed while they don't even have swiftness on

> >

> > They are chaining three skills to get away from you. Three. Whirl. GS 5. Bull charge. If they don't have those up, all they can do is shield up through their block or if they are Spellbreaker Full counter.

> >

> > They're wasting four or five skills to disengage for AWHILE, you probably waste two at most lmao.

>

> that would be a waste if the skills was with a big cooldown, with a such low cooldown means nothing, they can chain it forever not for a while, you always can see them using it just to run around the map because they know if they find a enemy the cd will be up fast

 

As soon as u use FOREVER or infinite in ur complaint credibility of said complaint plummets. Yeah warrior has traits to decrease cd's as all classes do and unless they're using sword or dagger on weapon swap than fast hands doesn't help either.

Like poster said above the warriors using multiple skills to allow 8ts self good mobility, a level of mobility most classes can match if players knows what they're doing. This is not to mention the warrior is putting 2 skills and a utility on CD or 3 skills and utility if sword/dagger on weapon swap putting the warrior at risk.

Cd's are not so low u can forever chain nor is their mobility out of line given they class type.

Typical l2p issue.

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I play D/D thief and take apart warriors. Even with decreased CD's and lots of gap closers it doesn't change the fact that they are easy to read. As soon as you understand how a warrior plays and can identify their skills by animation you can "lol" at about 80% of the warriors you fight. There are a few out there though that can play well and still manage to move unpredictably and control the pacing of the fight, but they are the very small minority.

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> @"SeikeNz.3526" said:

> > @"Lilyanna.9361" said:

> > > @"SeikeNz.3526" said:

> > > > @"Lilyanna.9361" said:

> > > > Because if war didn't have their leaps we could keel over at the sight of a ranger longbow 2 spam.

> > > >

> > > > Deadeyes kite them

> > > > Mirage dodge through their main burst while dropping condi on their head

> > > > Ranger kite/evade through their main burst

> > > > Necro just press 2 on axe and strip their important boons for them to catch up and continue to kite around them.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Ranged is certainly not useless, especially since this round of classes do nothing but spam RANGED condi.Yes, I've been seeing more Soulbeasts taking Condi to combo with stupid mirage, burn guard, necro or anything that has a half decent condi build now.

> > >

> > > im ok with the leap skills, the problem is when they can outrun someone with rune of speed while they don't even have swiftness on

> >

> > They are chaining three skills to get away from you. Three. Whirl. GS 5. Bull charge. If they don't have those up, all they can do is shield up through their block or if they are Spellbreaker Full counter.

> >

> > They're wasting four or five skills to disengage for AWHILE, you probably waste two at most lmao.

>

> that would be a waste if the skills was with a big cooldown, with a such low cooldown means nothing, they can chain it forever not for a while, you always can see them using it just to run around the map because they know if they find a enemy the cd will be up fast

 

Low cd would be holo leap combined with rocket boots, hell even mirage with sword ambush can rival warrior mobility...true, not many run sword now.

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