Way Points

[Angelweave.1856]

When Silverwastes first came out it really felt like dying had a consequence, as it was a long way to get back to where you were .

The new maps seem to have the same design philosophy of very few way points.

Though now that we have mounts to me the lack of way points feels tedious/annoying rather than a consequence.

[Dante.1763]

So...its making death have meaning then? Look i hate the lack of WPs too, but for different reasons.

[Khisanth.2948]

The only consequence to fewer WP is just making it tedious.

 

Actual consequences for death is easy and there isn't any need to mess with waypoints. Put the fight in an enclosed space. Once you die then you are dead. No ressing(like in raids). No way to re-entery. If you are not alive when the boss dies then you get nothing.

[Trise.2865]

Setback IS the consequence. Literally.

[Just a flesh wound.3589]

If having a few waypoints and no mounts made dying have a consequence and having a few waypoints with mounts makes dying tedious/annoying then it sounds like what would make dying consequential again for you is removing all waypoints but one per map.

[Tommo Chocolate.5870]

Why is travelling back to where you were more tedious/annoying with mounts than it was on foot? Surely it is less so?

 

> @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said:

> If having a few waypoints and no mounts made dying have a consequence and having a few waypoints with mounts makes dying tedious/annoying then it sounds like what would make dying consequential again for you is removing all waypoints but one per map.

 

Or removing mounts...

[MikeG.6389]

I'm not sure if you want more waypoints or less. For you, where's the balance between feeling annoyed and suffering a consequence? Do you want to be able to get back to a fight as soon as possible or do you want to be punished more harshly for dying in the first place?

[kharmin.7683]

No one is forcing you to use waypoints or mounts.

[Me Kill You.9035]

I feel like SW is super easy to get around though, it's essentially totally flat for beetle or easy griff flying.

[Just a flesh wound.3589]

> @"Tommo Chocolate.5870" said:

> Why is travelling back to where you were more tedious/annoying with mounts than it was on foot? Surely it is less so?

>

> > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said:

> > If having a few waypoints and no mounts made dying have a consequence and having a few waypoints with mounts makes dying tedious/annoying then it sounds like what would make dying consequential again for you is removing all waypoints but one per map.

>

> Or removing mounts...

 

True true

 

What the OP should reasonably do is restrict himself. After death he should use only the farthest waypoint on the map and he shouldn’t use mounts to get back. That way death will have consequences for him again, getting back to the fight will not be annoying or tedious, and he won’t have to ask ANet to change the game to make it more fun for him.

[Fueki.4753]

I strongly dislike Arenanet's stinginess with Waypoints since Siren's Landing.

[Khisanth.2948]

> @"Fueki.4753" said:

> I strongly dislike Arenanet's stinginess with Waypoints since Siren's Landing.

 

because they really want to push people towards mounts

 

the thinking being that the higher movement speed makes up for the distance but unfortunately it doesn't in many cases

[Xenash.1245]

I enjoy the lack of waypoints.

[Fueki.4753]

> @"Khisanth.2948" said:

> > @"Fueki.4753" said:

> > I strongly dislike Arenanet's stinginess with Waypoints since Siren's Landing.

>

> because they really want to push people towards mounts

>

> the thinking being that the higher movement speed makes up for the distance but unfortunately it doesn't in many cases

It's not about mounts.

It's about having people waste time traversing unnecessarily long distance over and over again, just to fuel their time-played metric.

The faster movement speed doesn't even come close to making up the time spent to **trying to get out of combat with monsters half across the map that haven't even seen you.**

[Dante.1763]

> @"Fueki.4753" said:

> > @"Khisanth.2948" said:

> > > @"Fueki.4753" said:

> > > I strongly dislike Arenanet's stinginess with Waypoints since Siren's Landing.

> >

> > because they really want to push people towards mounts

> >

> > the thinking being that the higher movement speed makes up for the distance but unfortunately it doesn't in many cases

> It's not about mounts.

> It's about having people waste time traversing unnecessarily long distance over and over again, just to fuel their time-played metric.

> The faster movement speed doesn't even come close to making up the time spent to **trying to get out of combat with monsters half across the map that haven't even seen you.**

 

God that bolded portion is so true..

[crepuscular.9047]

be glad you arent playing WoW, it's not uncommon to spend 15min running back to your corpse

[magnusthorek.8027]

What would be the point in having more WPs if, considering the messed up "contesting" system (I'm looking at you, Orr) you'd probably having to port somewhere else, maybe even far from the action, and run/ride back to fray.

[Khisanth.2948]

> @"Fueki.4753" said:

> > @"Khisanth.2948" said:

> > > @"Fueki.4753" said:

> > > I strongly dislike Arenanet's stinginess with Waypoints since Siren's Landing.

> >

> > because they really want to push people towards mounts

> >

> > the thinking being that the higher movement speed makes up for the distance but unfortunately it doesn't in many cases

> It's not about mounts.

> It's about having people waste time traversing unnecessarily long distance over and over again, just to fuel their time-played metric.

> The faster movement speed doesn't even come close to making up the time spent to **trying to get out of combat with monsters half across the map that haven't even seen you.**

 

Wasn't sure if I wanted to crank my cynicism level that high but it would certainly be unfortunate if developers focused on how to extend playtime by wasting people's time rather than focusing on making things fun so that people will want to repeat it on their own.

[Fueki.4753]

> @"crepuscular.9047" said:

> be glad you arent playing WoW, it's not uncommon to spend 15min running back to your corpse

I actually am (for maybe 2 disconnected months a year).

Still doesn't make me like the treatment of player travel in either game.

I also still feel disgusted about Pathfinder and no flying as a ghost, but that are different topics.

 

> @"magnusthorek.8027" said:

> What would be the point in having more WPs if, considering the messed up "contesting" system (I'm looking at you, Orr) you'd probably having to port somewhere else, maybe even far from the action, and run/ride back to fray.

I still think they need to remove that everywhere, except for the god temples in Orr.>

 

> @"Khisanth.2948" said:

> Wasn't sure if I wanted to crank my cynicism level that high but it would certainly be unfortunate if developers focused on how to extend playtime by wasting people's time rather than focusing on making things fun so that people will want to repeat it on their own.

As crepuscular.9047 pointed out, WoW did that from the beginning.

And it got worse with the Legion expansion, that designed the maps **obviously** with flying in mind, yet only gave players flying on those maps after 3/4 of the expansion's run time. The current expansion did the same.

 

[Angelweave.1856]

hummm... maybe to clarify.

 

Silverwastes with no way points made sense to me

The new maps now we have mounts... it doesn't make sense to me

 

I can't see Anet with some nefarious plan to force people to buy mounts.

[kratan.4619]

Lack of way points in the new zones is a direct result of having mounts added to the game. The older zones never needed mounts because of so many way points, but people cried that they needed mounts so they added them anyway.