Khalisto.5780 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 thats the dowside of lowering the overall dmg, ppl can get away with zerker amulet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virdo.1540 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Same with warriors GS1. Rev sword 4 gets waaay slower to allow counterplay. where is the counterplay to warriors f1? Hits instantly, and hits even before the animation arrives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaith.8256 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 > @"Virdo.1540" said: > Same with warriors GS1. > > Rev sword 4 gets waaay slower to allow counterplay. where is the counterplay to warriors f1? > Hits instantly, and hits even before the animation arrives. Warrior GS F1 only nerfed 8%.. Everything else nerfed 33%. I noticed this was odd for such a strong and fast skill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurantien.4632 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 > @"Chaith.8256" said: > > @"Stand The Wall.6987" said: > > > @"Chaith.8256" said: > > > 14k Worldly Impact? Rookie numbers. > > > > > > https://imgur.com/a/wzluGmr > > > > do it chaith. static discharge meta! > > yeah... > > I was trying, friend... but it's so squishy a Soulbeast killed me 3 times over with 3 abilities. Ended this mans entire static discharge career :joy: . But I suspect that glass cannon Soulbeast will not survive this next adjustment patch at all, as it's head and shoulders above other glass cannon specs, easily doubling or even tripling burst and overall output. Full on glass cannon specs are a bit unhealthy, maybe we'll see incentives for Rangers to run a bit more balanced, there's no incentive right now. Of course there's no incentive to not run DPS. Ranger cant kill anything if its not wearing Zerker/not boosting the pet. What's the point of playing something that has no chance of killing anything? And like I said in another thread. No one is running anything to even threaten a glassy ranger from a distance. No mesmers, no thieves, no pew pew, no pulls, nothing with offensive ports. Why run anything but glass when people aren't even trying to deal with it? Also, this isn't conquest. My only job is to kill you. It's not a 5v5 so I'm not gonna just get cleaved out when I get into melee range. It's not conquest so there's no node forcing me close to you. I can just kite to my hearts content. This is like minj scale WvW roaming. Once everyone stops playing the bulldozer game, the more offensive/mobile specs will be doing work. So again no incentive to run less glassy. Ranger isn't held to the same standards in 2v2s as conquest... no class is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 > @"Revolution.5409" said: > In a couple of days he won't even need the bow to do that damage anymore. lol actually it might be possible to kill someone with only horn 4 and one wolf pack. would be really funny lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaith.8256 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 > @"Eurantien.4632" said: > > @"Chaith.8256" said: > > > @"Stand The Wall.6987" said: > > > > @"Chaith.8256" said: > > > > 14k Worldly Impact? Rookie numbers. > > > > > > > > https://imgur.com/a/wzluGmr > > > > > > do it chaith. static discharge meta! > > > yeah... > > > > I was trying, friend... but it's so squishy a Soulbeast killed me 3 times over with 3 abilities. Ended this mans entire static discharge career :joy: . But I suspect that glass cannon Soulbeast will not survive this next adjustment patch at all, as it's head and shoulders above other glass cannon specs, easily doubling or even tripling burst and overall output. Full on glass cannon specs are a bit unhealthy, maybe we'll see incentives for Rangers to run a bit more balanced, there's no incentive right now. > > Of course there's no incentive to not run DPS. Ranger cant kill anything if its not wearing Zerker/not boosting the pet. What's the point of playing something that has no chance of killing anything? > > And like I said in another thread. No one is running anything to even threaten a glassy ranger from a distance. No mesmers, no thieves, no pew pew, no pulls, nothing with offensive ports. Why run anything but glass when people aren't even trying to deal with it? > > Also, this isn't conquest. My only job is to kill you. It's not a 5v5 so I'm not gonna just get cleaved out when I get into melee range. It's not conquest so there's no node forcing me close to you. I can just kite to my hearts content. This is like minj scale WvW roaming. Once everyone stops playing the bulldozer game, the more offensive/mobile specs will be doing work. So again no incentive to run less glassy. Ranger isn't held to the same standards in 2v2s as conquest... no class is. > Yes I didn't go into great detail like you, but these are the reasons why there's no incentive for any Rangers to NOT run one shot builds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mes.4607 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 One shot builds are never healthy for the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantheman.3589 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 > @"Malsheem.1794" said: > > [..] Thiefs burst is not very high as far as burst is concerned [..] > > Also... > > [https://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j472/kroenen2/thief%20Vault.jpg](https://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j472/kroenen2/thief%20Vault.jpg) > > Thats 12.5k on a 5 initiative ability. > > 6 initiative in pvp and wvw. Your photo is wvw where damage is higher. It is fairly hard to get that damage on vault in pvp. An ok staff build rn is staff/staff with valk and daredevil rune for 100% crit for vaults, the problem with this build is that it’s useless in 2v2s if they dodge and block enough and even if it hits it usually does like 8-9k for a good hit which is about what you get on golems. A lot of the time it’ll be lower like 6-7k but I’ve had it hit for up to 13k on necros in 2v2 though they must’ve been on a squish build. Thief can burst ok atm as damage modifiers are a thing if I’m say core dp with valk and hidden killer I can got probably at highest 9k backstab and maybe a 6k heart seeker in 1 combo plus like 1k from venom and besides vault builds that’s about as high as it’ll go in a match plus it loses out on mug damage. Pretty much the problem with one shot or specs similar like thief which is more similar because it’s a hit and go style with stealth is the modifiers and how can u get the best modifiers to do that. In the case of ranger the modifiers can be way higher hence damage u see in this post but the builds are usually pretty bad in competitive style format so that just leaves us with thief for meta 1 shot builds, but thief isn’t really one shotting ppl unless they are also zerkers, which btw is funny asf when u one shot the zerker dp DrD. It just a hit and go style now and it’s super good in team fights but since it lost real 1 shot potential it’s no where near good enough to 1v1 ppl making less viable especially since perma stealth technically requires taking so much stealth that you lose all utility. I honestly think ppl need to reconsider if thief burst is too high, rangers might be but these things aren’t actually good for 1 shooting outside of wvw and not even that high ranked matches, also they are bad in 2v2s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurantien.4632 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 > @"Chaith.8256" said: > > @"Eurantien.4632" said: > > > @"Chaith.8256" said: > > > > @"Stand The Wall.6987" said: > > > > > @"Chaith.8256" said: > > > > > 14k Worldly Impact? Rookie numbers. > > > > > > > > > > https://imgur.com/a/wzluGmr > > > > > > > > do it chaith. static discharge meta! > > > > yeah... > > > > > > I was trying, friend... but it's so squishy a Soulbeast killed me 3 times over with 3 abilities. Ended this mans entire static discharge career :joy: . But I suspect that glass cannon Soulbeast will not survive this next adjustment patch at all, as it's head and shoulders above other glass cannon specs, easily doubling or even tripling burst and overall output. Full on glass cannon specs are a bit unhealthy, maybe we'll see incentives for Rangers to run a bit more balanced, there's no incentive right now. > > > > Of course there's no incentive to not run DPS. Ranger cant kill anything if its not wearing Zerker/not boosting the pet. What's the point of playing something that has no chance of killing anything? > > > > And like I said in another thread. No one is running anything to even threaten a glassy ranger from a distance. No mesmers, no thieves, no pew pew, no pulls, nothing with offensive ports. Why run anything but glass when people aren't even trying to deal with it? > > > > Also, this isn't conquest. My only job is to kill you. It's not a 5v5 so I'm not gonna just get cleaved out when I get into melee range. It's not conquest so there's no node forcing me close to you. I can just kite to my hearts content. This is like minj scale WvW roaming. Once everyone stops playing the bulldozer game, the more offensive/mobile specs will be doing work. So again no incentive to run less glassy. Ranger isn't held to the same standards in 2v2s as conquest... no class is. > > > > Yes I didn't go into great detail like you, but these are the reasons why there's no incentive for any Rangers to NOT run one shot builds. Yeah so maybe people should play something better vs rangers and quit complaining about 2v2s... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anjo.6143 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 > @"Malsheem.1794" said: > > [..] Thiefs burst is not very high as far as burst is concerned [..] > > Also... > > [https://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j472/kroenen2/thief%20Vault.jpg](https://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j472/kroenen2/thief%20Vault.jpg) > > Thats 12.5k on a 5 initiative ability. > > staff build isnt viable for real, I tried. I can do like 13k with vault, but that is it, easily dies, isnt worth at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantheman.3589 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 > @"anjo.6143" said: > > @"Malsheem.1794" said: > > > [..] Thiefs burst is not very high as far as burst is concerned [..] > > > > Also... > > > > [https://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j472/kroenen2/thief%20Vault.jpg](https://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j472/kroenen2/thief%20Vault.jpg) > > > > Thats 12.5k on a 5 initiative ability. > > > > > > staff build isnt viable for real, I tried. I can do like 13k with vault, but that is it, easily dies, isnt worth at all. Staff dies easily? Staff/staff is like the tankiest thief build rn it van side node ok too, though viability will probably be based on how well it can survive a plus 1. Maybe we are talking a different build? > @"Dantheman.3589" said: > > @"Malsheem.1794" said: > > > [..] Thiefs burst is not very high as far as burst is concerned [..] > > > > Also... > > > > [https://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j472/kroenen2/thief%20Vault.jpg](https://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j472/kroenen2/thief%20Vault.jpg) > > > > Thats 12.5k on a 5 initiative ability. > > > > > > 6 initiative in pvp and wvw. Your photo is wvw where damage is higher. It is fairly hard to get that damage on vault in pvp. An ok staff build rn is staff/staff with valk and daredevil rune for 100% crit for vaults, the problem with this build is that it’s useless in 2v2s if they dodge and block enough and even if it hits it usually does like 8-9k for a good hit which is about what you get on golems. A lot of the time it’ll be lower like 6-7k but I’ve had it hit for up to 13k on necros in 2v2 though they must’ve been on a squish build. > Thief can burst ok atm as damage modifiers are a thing if I’m say core dp with valk and hidden killer I can got probably at highest 9k backstab and maybe a 6k heart seeker in 1 combo plus like 1k from venom and besides vault builds that’s about as high as it’ll go in a match plus it loses out on mug damage. > Pretty much the problem with one shot or specs similar like thief which is more similar because it’s a hit and go style with stealth is the modifiers and how can u get the best modifiers to do that. In the case of ranger the modifiers can be way higher hence damage u see in this post but the builds are usually pretty bad in competitive style format so that just leaves us with thief for meta 1 shot builds, but thief isn’t really one shotting ppl unless they are also zerkers, which btw is funny asf when u one shot the zerker dp DrD. It just a hit and go style now and it’s super good in team fights but since it lost real 1 shot potential it’s no where near good enough to 1v1 ppl making less viable especially since perma stealth technically requires taking so much stealth that you lose all utility. > I honestly think ppl need to reconsider if thief burst is too high, rangers might be but these things aren’t actually good for 1 shooting outside of wvw and not even that high ranked matches, also they are bad in 2v2s Again staff/staff with a tanky amulet can hit that hard and tbh if they didn’t nerf the condition clear +heal trait I’d actually argue it being incredibly viable ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Burnfall.9573 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 > @"mrauls.6519" said: > One shot builds are never healthy for the game **+1** _healthy competitive games would never put with this Toxicity_ Guild Wars 1 as its prime lead example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Fear.1624 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > @"Malsheem.1794" said: > > > [..] Thiefs burst is not very high as far as burst is concerned [..] > > > > Also... > > > > [https://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j472/kroenen2/thief%20Vault.jpg](https://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j472/kroenen2/thief%20Vault.jpg) > > > > Thats 12.5k on a 5 initiative ability. > > > > > > 6 initiative, actually. It was nerfed in this patch. Though judging by the fact that you got hit for 1k off of black powder, you mustve been *really* squishy. Because Black Powder does basically no damage. That's wvw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 > @"Crab Fear.1624" said: > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > @"Malsheem.1794" said: > > > > [..] Thiefs burst is not very high as far as burst is concerned [..] > > > > > > Also... > > > > > > [https://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j472/kroenen2/thief%20Vault.jpg](https://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j472/kroenen2/thief%20Vault.jpg) > > > > > > Thats 12.5k on a 5 initiative ability. > > > > > > > > > > 6 initiative, actually. It was nerfed in this patch. Though judging by the fact that you got hit for 1k off of black powder, you mustve been *really* squishy. Because Black Powder does basically no damage. > > That's wvw Its both. Its been 6 initiative in PvP for a while now, I guess the most recent nerf only made it 6 initiative in WvW as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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