Hidden Blade.7913 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 *Disclaimer, I love this game and only want to see great things from it. It is one of the three best MMORPGs available, in my personal opinion. I am but an average PVP player giving my opinion and that of my party today. TLDR at bottom. Today I did Kormir's Clash for the first and last time. I started seriously LFG 2 hours in advance, and made sure my team was qualified (but no skill/league requirements.) I am not yet good enough to do plat+ parties. Guess what happened (as I was warned)? We lost every game, but one. So we are thinking, what, maybe 25G consolation, for at least not losing all? Of course not, we end up getting 1 mystic coin and a large potion of PvP reward. Now I understand why casual and non-pro players don't bother with monthly or even *gasp* do afk monthly. Why would I want to waste my time playing against mostly very good players, losing, and not getting rewarded for it? GW2 prides itself on a few key things. It is what I love about the game. 1. Level 80 was and is the level cap and your gear never becomes worthless. 2. The game is a sand-park style MMO, which rewards you for doing all sorts of things, including tons of side achievements for rewards that you can work towards over time. TLDR: At the very minimum, make the reward for Kormir's Clash be 10 or 20G. Please also note that in no way am I suggesting that losers should be rewarded anywhere near as well and I am NOT suggesting making the good rewards and titles easier to get. If you disagree, I'd love to hear your thoughts, but really, who could disagree with at least a tiny boost in rewards for a 12-times-a-year tournament? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GewRoo.4172 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Don't cry git gud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimjack.8130 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 You you didn't even get 17-32nd and you're complaining about rewards? How do you feel you earned them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hidden Blade.7913 Posted March 28, 2020 Author Share Posted March 28, 2020 > @"Grimjack.8130" said: > You you didn't even get 17-32nd and you're complaining about rewards? How do you feel you earned them? Because I (and 4 other people) spent a long time forming a group and playing through the tournament matches? It feels cheesy that the best way to get rewards from tournaments is to join them at off times. I've earned 10, 15+g at times from random, all-welcome tournaments at off-hours. Fun fact, tournaments cap out at 100 teams in them. Are you saying only 32% of the teams deserve a reward compensatory of their time-investment? I am aware that the number of teams maybe have been closer to 50, but I digress. Like I said, maybe toss me 10 measly gold? It's not even just the time-waste and all, it's that we had to get 100 qualifying points just to get in the door, too.> @"GewRoo.4172" said: > Don't cry git gud > > @"GewRoo.4172" said: > Don't cry git gud > > @"GewRoo.4172" said: > Don't cry git gud > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hidden Blade.7913 Posted March 28, 2020 Author Share Posted March 28, 2020 > @"GewRoo.4172" said: > Don't cry git gud > While your insightful analysis has moved me to the brink of confused tears, I fear I must offer a counter-argument. GW2 is not just for hardcore gamers. I admit that PVP and especially the monthly tournament should be about winning and if you are not good, you should lose and not receive the most glorious rewards. Yet still, how, pray tell, doth us "filthy casuals", or even mid-core gamers, stand to benefit from such an arrangement. Hell, I would even take a "cash out" option that let's you skip the monthly tournament and hands you 5G. I, as well as other real-world dwellers, have spent a fair amount of money to play and enjoy this game. PVP monthly tournaments could be a fun way to test our skills and earn a tough but fair recompense for our endeavors. It is merely a letdown to experience the lowly depths of defeat, without so much as a pity prize to dry our tears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hidden Blade.7913 Posted March 28, 2020 Author Share Posted March 28, 2020 I'd like to add that I'm just having fun here. Even so, it is still annoying that I could have made more gold doing pretty much anything else in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowpass.4236 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 > @"Hidden Blade.7913" said: > > @"Grimjack.8130" said: > > You you didn't even get 17-32nd and you're complaining about rewards? How do you feel you earned them? > > Because I (and 4 other people) spent a long time forming a group and playing through the tournament matches? It feels cheesy that the best way to get rewards from tournaments is to join them at off times. I've earned 10, 15+g at times from random, all-welcome tournaments at off-hours. Fun fact, tournaments cap out at 100 teams in them. Are you saying only 32% of the teams deserve a reward compensatory of their time-investment? I am aware that the number of teams maybe have been closer to 50, but I digress. > > Like I said, maybe toss me 10 measly gold? It's not even just the time-waste and all, it's that we had to get 100 qualifying points just to get in the door, too.> You already earned more than 10 gold for getting those 100 qualifying points. The monthly is supposed to be more competitive. I don't understand why you think you're entitled to a reward in a performance-based tournament just because you invested time into it. Use it as a learning experience to do better the next time. Now that you've seen the level of play at the higher end, I'd consider it a win rather than a waste of time. Regardless, if you don't think it was worth it, and your only motivation for doing the tournament was gold rather than to get better, then I'd say don't do the MAT again if you're this discouraged and discontent. Besides, there are already people that multibox ATs to get free gold. Giving them more free gold just by AFKing the monthly and losing every match wouldn't be very smart. But anyways, that's just my opinion. I don't think people who lose every round, multibox, etc. should win anything. So there should be a minimum win threshold or placement to get rewarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hidden Blade.7913 Posted March 29, 2020 Author Share Posted March 29, 2020 > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > @"Hidden Blade.7913" said: > > > @"Grimjack.8130" said: > > > You you didn't even get 17-32nd and you're complaining about rewards? How do you feel you earned them? > > > > Because I (and 4 other people) spent a long time forming a group and playing through the tournament matches? It feels cheesy that the best way to get rewards from tournaments is to join them at off times. I've earned 10, 15+g at times from random, all-welcome tournaments at off-hours. Fun fact, tournaments cap out at 100 teams in them. Are you saying only 32% of the teams deserve a reward compensatory of their time-investment? I am aware that the number of teams maybe have been closer to 50, but I digress. > > > > Like I said, maybe toss me 10 measly gold? It's not even just the time-waste and all, it's that we had to get 100 qualifying points just to get in the door, too.> > > You already earned more than 10 gold for getting those 100 qualifying points. > > The monthly is supposed to be more competitive. I don't understand why you think you're entitled to a reward in a performance-based tournament just because you invested time into it. Use it as a learning experience to do better the next time. Now that you've seen the level of play at the higher end, I'd consider it a win rather than a waste of time. Regardless, if you don't think it was worth it, and your only motivation for doing the tournament was gold rather than to get better, then I'd say don't do the MAT again if you're this discouraged and discontent. > > Besides, there are already people that multibox ATs to get free gold. Giving them more free gold just by AFKing the monthly and losing every match wouldn't be very smart. But anyways, that's just my opinion. I don't think people who lose every round, multibox, etc. should win anything. So there should be a minimum win threshold or placement to get rewarded. Forgot about the multiboxing issue. Ok taking more time to consider it, you're right. Now I wish they'd warn and then ban pure afking in tournaments. Not rage quitting or afking when you're losing, but true afking. I think I'll keep playing and getting better and MAYBE try tournaments again if I ever become a stable, platinum player AND find a platinum+ group. You just have to realize that time is precious and if someone feels like they've wasted 2+ hours, it feels bad. I'd rather help someone, do an achieve, or do something productive irl lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowpass.4236 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 > @"Hidden Blade.7913" said: > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > @"Hidden Blade.7913" said: > > > > @"Grimjack.8130" said: > > > > You you didn't even get 17-32nd and you're complaining about rewards? How do you feel you earned them? > > > > > > Because I (and 4 other people) spent a long time forming a group and playing through the tournament matches? It feels cheesy that the best way to get rewards from tournaments is to join them at off times. I've earned 10, 15+g at times from random, all-welcome tournaments at off-hours. Fun fact, tournaments cap out at 100 teams in them. Are you saying only 32% of the teams deserve a reward compensatory of their time-investment? I am aware that the number of teams maybe have been closer to 50, but I digress. > > > > > > Like I said, maybe toss me 10 measly gold? It's not even just the time-waste and all, it's that we had to get 100 qualifying points just to get in the door, too.> > > > > You already earned more than 10 gold for getting those 100 qualifying points. > > > > The monthly is supposed to be more competitive. I don't understand why you think you're entitled to a reward in a performance-based tournament just because you invested time into it. Use it as a learning experience to do better the next time. Now that you've seen the level of play at the higher end, I'd consider it a win rather than a waste of time. Regardless, if you don't think it was worth it, and your only motivation for doing the tournament was gold rather than to get better, then I'd say don't do the MAT again if you're this discouraged and discontent. > > > > Besides, there are already people that multibox ATs to get free gold. Giving them more free gold just by AFKing the monthly and losing every match wouldn't be very smart. But anyways, that's just my opinion. I don't think people who lose every round, multibox, etc. should win anything. So there should be a minimum win threshold or placement to get rewarded. > > Forgot about the multiboxing issue. Ok taking more time to consider it, you're right. Now I wish they'd warn and then ban pure afking in tournaments. Not rage quitting or afking when you're losing, but true afking. I think I'll keep playing and getting better and MAYBE try tournaments again if I ever become a stable, platinum player AND find a platinum+ group. > > You just have to realize that time is precious and if someone feels like they've wasted 2+ hours, it feels bad. I'd rather help someone, do an achieve, or do something productive irl lol. I 100% get where you're coming from. It's the same reason I'd rather keep quing ranked instead of doing the daily AT with a random group of people I don't know if I'm not confident we will at least make it to the semifinals. But I choose not to do it in that case because I know the gold for anything less than that won't be worth the time and effort in advance (imo). If you ever have any questions or want advice to help you get into plat, feel free to send me your discord tag in dms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallBarr.2184 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > @"Hidden Blade.7913" said: > > > @"Grimjack.8130" said: > > > You you didn't even get 17-32nd and you're complaining about rewards? How do you feel you earned them? > > > > Because I (and 4 other people) spent a long time forming a group and playing through the tournament matches? It feels cheesy that the best way to get rewards from tournaments is to join them at off times. I've earned 10, 15+g at times from random, all-welcome tournaments at off-hours. Fun fact, tournaments cap out at 100 teams in them. Are you saying only 32% of the teams deserve a reward compensatory of their time-investment? I am aware that the number of teams maybe have been closer to 50, but I digress. > > > > Like I said, maybe toss me 10 measly gold? It's not even just the time-waste and all, it's that we had to get 100 qualifying points just to get in the door, too.> > > You already earned more than 10 gold for getting those 100 qualifying points. > > The monthly is supposed to be more competitive. I don't understand why you think you're entitled to a reward in a performance-based tournament just because you invested time into it. Use it as a learning experience to do better the next time. Now that you've seen the level of play at the higher end, I'd consider it a win rather than a waste of time. Regardless, if you don't think it was worth it, and your only motivation for doing the tournament was gold rather than to get better, then I'd say don't do the MAT again if you're this discouraged and discontent. > > Besides, there are already people that multibox ATs to get free gold. Giving them more free gold just by AFKing the monthly and losing every match wouldn't be very smart. But anyways, that's just my opinion. I don't think people who lose every round, multibox, etc. should win anything. So there should be a minimum win threshold or placement to get rewarded. Multiboxing is not allowed in pvp tournaments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAB.9340 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Why do you need to be rewarded? What happened to play because you want to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowpass.4236 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 > @"TallBarr.2184" said: > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > @"Hidden Blade.7913" said: > > > > @"Grimjack.8130" said: > > > > You you didn't even get 17-32nd and you're complaining about rewards? How do you feel you earned them? > > > > > > Because I (and 4 other people) spent a long time forming a group and playing through the tournament matches? It feels cheesy that the best way to get rewards from tournaments is to join them at off times. I've earned 10, 15+g at times from random, all-welcome tournaments at off-hours. Fun fact, tournaments cap out at 100 teams in them. Are you saying only 32% of the teams deserve a reward compensatory of their time-investment? I am aware that the number of teams maybe have been closer to 50, but I digress. > > > > > > Like I said, maybe toss me 10 measly gold? It's not even just the time-waste and all, it's that we had to get 100 qualifying points just to get in the door, too.> > > > > You already earned more than 10 gold for getting those 100 qualifying points. > > > > The monthly is supposed to be more competitive. I don't understand why you think you're entitled to a reward in a performance-based tournament just because you invested time into it. Use it as a learning experience to do better the next time. Now that you've seen the level of play at the higher end, I'd consider it a win rather than a waste of time. Regardless, if you don't think it was worth it, and your only motivation for doing the tournament was gold rather than to get better, then I'd say don't do the MAT again if you're this discouraged and discontent. > > > > Besides, there are already people that multibox ATs to get free gold. Giving them more free gold just by AFKing the monthly and losing every match wouldn't be very smart. But anyways, that's just my opinion. I don't think people who lose every round, multibox, etc. should win anything. So there should be a minimum win threshold or placement to get rewarded. > > Multiboxing is not allowed in pvp tournaments Yeah but they don't get banned either lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tharan.9085 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 So you're a bad player asking for rewards for beeing bad, nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution.5409 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Fortunately, Gw2 is not yet 100% casual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emapudapus.1307 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 I dont even .... Player complaing in gamemode where the best of the best determine whose the best, beeing supper bad, and complaining he didnt get enaugh rewards, wut :open_mouth: ???? As said, git gud or do your pve, if you dont intend to get better then dont enter tournaments (they are named "TOURNAMENTS" for a reason), they are not ment for your farm. If you dont intend to play for experiance and getting better, then you are just waisting everyones time that have to play vs you and you better off not joining again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hidden Blade.7913 Posted March 29, 2020 Author Share Posted March 29, 2020 > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > @"Hidden Blade.7913" said: > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > @"Hidden Blade.7913" said: > > > > > @"Grimjack.8130" said: > > > > > You you didn't even get 17-32nd and you're complaining about rewards? How do you feel you earned them? > > > > > > > > Because I (and 4 other people) spent a long time forming a group and playing through the tournament matches? It feels cheesy that the best way to get rewards from tournaments is to join them at off times. I've earned 10, 15+g at times from random, all-welcome tournaments at off-hours. Fun fact, tournaments cap out at 100 teams in them. Are you saying only 32% of the teams deserve a reward compensatory of their time-investment? I am aware that the number of teams maybe have been closer to 50, but I digress. > > > > > > > > Like I said, maybe toss me 10 measly gold? It's not even just the time-waste and all, it's that we had to get 100 qualifying points just to get in the door, too.> > > > > > > You already earned more than 10 gold for getting those 100 qualifying points. > > > > > > The monthly is supposed to be more competitive. I don't understand why you think you're entitled to a reward in a performance-based tournament just because you invested time into it. Use it as a learning experience to do better the next time. Now that you've seen the level of play at the higher end, I'd consider it a win rather than a waste of time. Regardless, if you don't think it was worth it, and your only motivation for doing the tournament was gold rather than to get better, then I'd say don't do the MAT again if you're this discouraged and discontent. > > > > > > Besides, there are already people that multibox ATs to get free gold. Giving them more free gold just by AFKing the monthly and losing every match wouldn't be very smart. But anyways, that's just my opinion. I don't think people who lose every round, multibox, etc. should win anything. So there should be a minimum win threshold or placement to get rewarded. > > > > Forgot about the multiboxing issue. Ok taking more time to consider it, you're right. Now I wish they'd warn and then ban pure afking in tournaments. Not rage quitting or afking when you're losing, but true afking. I think I'll keep playing and getting better and MAYBE try tournaments again if I ever become a stable, platinum player AND find a platinum+ group. > > > > You just have to realize that time is precious and if someone feels like they've wasted 2+ hours, it feels bad. I'd rather help someone, do an achieve, or do something productive irl lol. > > I 100% get where you're coming from. It's the same reason I'd rather keep quing ranked instead of doing the daily AT with a random group of people I don't know if I'm not confident we will at least make it to the semifinals. But I choose not to do it in that case because I know the gold for anything less than that won't be worth the time and effort in advance (imo). > > If you ever have any questions or want advice to help you get into plat, feel free to send me your discord tag in dms. Sounds good. I've managed to get second place in a tournament before, so perhaps I have some potential in there somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hidden Blade.7913 Posted March 29, 2020 Author Share Posted March 29, 2020 > @"GAB.9340" said: > Why do you need to be rewarded? What happened to play because you want to play. A fair point, except there are more relaxing things to do in game or better "play for fun" games around. I accept now that the monthly tournament is a calculated risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacko.6572 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 > @"Hidden Blade.7913" said: > *Disclaimer, I love this game and only want to see great things from it. It is one of the three best MMORPGs available, in my personal opinion. I am but an average PVP player giving my opinion and that of my party today. TLDR at bottom. > > Today I did Kormir's Clash for the first and last time. I started seriously LFG 2 hours in advance, and made sure my team was qualified (but no skill/league requirements.) I am not yet good enough to do plat+ parties. Guess what happened (as I was warned)? We lost every game, but one. So we are thinking, what, maybe 25G consolation, for at least not losing all? Of course not, we end up getting 1 mystic coin and a large potion of PvP reward. > > Now I understand why casual and non-pro players don't bother with monthly or even *gasp* do afk monthly. Why would I want to waste my time playing against mostly very good players, losing, and not getting rewarded for it? GW2 prides itself on a few key things. It is what I love about the game. 1. Level 80 was and is the level cap and your gear never becomes worthless. 2. The game is a sand-park style MMO, which rewards you for doing all sorts of things, including tons of side achievements for rewards that you can work towards over time. > > TLDR: At the very minimum, make the reward for Kormir's Clash be 10 or 20G. Please also note that in no way am I suggesting that losers should be rewarded anywhere near as well and I am NOT suggesting making the good rewards and titles easier to get. If you disagree, I'd love to hear your thoughts, but really, who could disagree with at least a tiny boost in rewards for a 12-times-a-year tournament? You don't PvP or do WvW to make gold, it is purely linked with PvE. WvW and PvP is like a fitness center. you come there to better yourself and make yourself a better person/player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasylife.7981 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 I understand your concern, is why I proposed that to minimize the time these tournaments go, losing teams just get eliminated after losing to the losing team. so basically after losing a teammatch you are queue against a losing team like yourself and if you lose you are eliminated so it will only consumed no more than 30minutes of your time and you are reward the 5G participation and the 1G for losing so 6G total. Anet is very clueless Cal Cohen himself seems to want to make great changes, but atm is showing small brain, hes yet to neft necromancer shroud which its insanely big problem and he seems to love condition damage been dominant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus Fatorum.2473 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 I dunno, if this complaint was pre-swiss I could see the hate, but as the tournaments take so much of your time I can see upping the minimum reward, he is not asking for a best of the best title, just compensation for the time he put into the tourney. Maybe at least have a thing in the AT and MAT descriptions of average time to complete, as many players have a tendency to underestimate the time commitment. Fact is he played all his games didnt ragequit or afk, and is just wanting something for the time he spent doing so. Honestly 10 g is not alot, I see that more as a TY for participating. I also dont see how this affects the more competitive players adversely, you still get to compete, it doesn't really harm your ability to win, and you keep your unique prizes(gizmos, titles, passes) and I dont see this causing an influx of players doing it for the gold either, as you need to spend the time to get the QP, then do the MAT, and if your goal was gold i'm pretty sure you can make more in ranked and pve with alot less effort. Also not sure there is a way to drop out of mat in progress w/o dishonor maybe have a way for the whole team to vote to concede, this way people who maybe realized they didn't want to be there could just leave if the whole team agrees. Like if everyone declines the queue it doesn't apply dishonor. Not sure how that would work with the code though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apharma.3741 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 The reward is in the fun of playing the game. Next time don't find some strangers, play with some friends, get a drink and enjoy playing some PvP **AS A TEAM.** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronos.6532 Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 You got minimum 60 silver from losing 4 matches, and a ton of reward track progress. Didn't lose out on much time, either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar.3568 Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Here is a small explanation of pvp: 1. It's not a gold farm grind for everyone, if you want to make cash go play pve 2. If you complaining about getting to less reward for loosing get better, you clearly not deserve it 3. What the fuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollbirtan.2915 Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 I think you might be lost. PVE forums are that way ==> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 > @"Hidden Blade.7913" said: > *Disclaimer, I love this game and only want to see great things from it. It is one of the three best MMORPGs available, in my personal opinion. I am but an average PVP player giving my opinion and that of my party today. TLDR at bottom. > > Today I did Kormir's Clash for the first and last time. I started seriously LFG 2 hours in advance, and made sure my team was qualified (but no skill/league requirements.) I am not yet good enough to do plat+ parties. Guess what happened (as I was warned)? We lost every game, but one. So we are thinking, what, maybe 25G consolation, for at least not losing all? Of course not, we end up getting 1 mystic coin and a large potion of PvP reward. > > Now I understand why casual and non-pro players don't bother with monthly or even *gasp* do afk monthly. Why would I want to waste my time playing against mostly very good players, losing, and not getting rewarded for it? GW2 prides itself on a few key things. It is what I love about the game. 1. Level 80 was and is the level cap and your gear never becomes worthless. 2. The game is a sand-park style MMO, which rewards you for doing all sorts of things, including tons of side achievements for rewards that you can work towards over time. > > TLDR: At the very minimum, make the reward for Kormir's Clash be 10 or 20G. Please also note that in no way am I suggesting that losers should be rewarded anywhere near as well and I am NOT suggesting making the good rewards and titles easier to get. If you disagree, I'd love to hear your thoughts, but really, who could disagree with at least a tiny boost in rewards for a 12-times-a-year tournament? I see what you're saying, and it makes sense from your good willed subjective standpoint. However, there are people who are not good willed, and they would create problems for everyone if the base rewards are increased: * Tons of randoms joining MATs who are planning to AFK pretty much all game with no intention to play. They just want base rewards. * Bots joining that do the same thing. Gotta get that free liquid 10 gold. * People multi-boxing and making alt throw teams for base rewards. 5 boxes = 50 liquid gold for AFKing through MAT on 5 alt accounts. * This would make for complete joke matches during an MAT when it is supposed to be competitive. * And all of which increases the length of the MAT, because it is bogged down with a ton of randoms & bots & alt boxing, making participation for the real players a serious pain in the ass to endure. Increasing liquid reward for something like an MAT will encourage afk throw farming, while discouraging actual competitors from wanting to join because they'll get tired of tolerating such nonsense after awhile. This is unfortunately true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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