UNOwen.7132 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 > @"ArlAlt.1630" said: > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > @"Dantheman.3589" said: > > > Do ppl even realized there is unmatched boon rip on sword/d thief, where average larcenous strike hit for the same as good backstabs, with arguably better mobility than dash dp thief(partly due to required stealthing) and can 1v1, team fight at the very least the same but probably much better and at this point can handle 1v1s with dp thief’s at least for a few mins if both thief’s are good? > > > > First of all, no, Larcenous strike doesnt hit nearly as hard as Backstab, which already doesnt hit hard. And being able to 1v1 as well as d/p thief, given that d/p thief cant actually 1v1 is not exactly a good thing. But far as I can tell main downside is that you lose access to AoE stealth, which is a big deal. > > Toss a coin to your DE, o valley o'plenty. The DE also doesnt give AoE stealth access? Tbh Im not sure what people would even play DE in sPvP for, its not very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kuro.8937 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > @"Dantheman.3589" said: > > Do ppl even realized there is unmatched boon rip on sword/d thief, where average larcenous strike hit for the same as good backstabs, with arguably better mobility than dash dp thief(partly due to required stealthing) and can 1v1, team fight at the very least the same but probably much better and at this point can handle 1v1s with dp thief’s at least for a few mins if both thief’s are good? > > First of all, no, Larcenous strike doesnt hit nearly as hard as Backstab, which already doesnt hit hard. And being able to 1v1 as well as d/p thief, given that d/p thief cant actually 1v1 is not exactly a good thing. But far as I can tell main downside is that you lose access to AoE stealth, which is a big deal. I am a little comfused ... So the ingame stealth a vital to the thief ? Or it is underpowered that most thieves dont actually use in-combat stealth , because its slow, telegraphed, and just gives your opponent free damage ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > @"Dantheman.3589" said: > > > Do ppl even realized there is unmatched boon rip on sword/d thief, where average larcenous strike hit for the same as good backstabs, with arguably better mobility than dash dp thief(partly due to required stealthing) and can 1v1, team fight at the very least the same but probably much better and at this point can handle 1v1s with dp thief’s at least for a few mins if both thief’s are good? > > > > First of all, no, Larcenous strike doesnt hit nearly as hard as Backstab, which already doesnt hit hard. And being able to 1v1 as well as d/p thief, given that d/p thief cant actually 1v1 is not exactly a good thing. But far as I can tell main downside is that you lose access to AoE stealth, which is a big deal. > > I am a little comfused ... So the ingame stealth a vital to the thief ? Or it is underpowered that most thieves dont actually use in-combat stealth , because its slow, telegraphed, and just gives your opponent free damage ? ... do you think thieves use AoE stealth in-combat? What, they just plop down a smoke field and start blasting, while hoping that the enemy Rev doesnt just decide to Gaze of Darkness or Chaotic Release? They use it out of combat as well. You stealth up *before* engaging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kuro.8937 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > @"Dantheman.3589" said: > > > > Do ppl even realized there is unmatched boon rip on sword/d thief, where average larcenous strike hit for the same as good backstabs, with arguably better mobility than dash dp thief(partly due to required stealthing) and can 1v1, team fight at the very least the same but probably much better and at this point can handle 1v1s with dp thief’s at least for a few mins if both thief’s are good? > > > > > > First of all, no, Larcenous strike doesnt hit nearly as hard as Backstab, which already doesnt hit hard. And being able to 1v1 as well as d/p thief, given that d/p thief cant actually 1v1 is not exactly a good thing. But far as I can tell main downside is that you lose access to AoE stealth, which is a big deal. > > > > I am a little comfused ... So the ingame stealth a vital to the thief ? Or it is underpowered that most thieves dont actually use in-combat stealth , because its slow, telegraphed, and just gives your opponent free damage ? > > ... do you think thieves use AoE stealth in-combat? What, they just plop down a smoke field and start blasting, while hoping that the enemy Rev doesnt just decide to Gaze of Darkness or Chaotic Release? They use it out of combat as well. You stealth up *before* engaging. Most Condition Revs will take the Gaze of Darkness/Chaotic Release , or the Shiro for mobility + Lynx for the Boon Rmoval +leap ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > @"Dantheman.3589" said: > > > > > Do ppl even realized there is unmatched boon rip on sword/d thief, where average larcenous strike hit for the same as good backstabs, with arguably better mobility than dash dp thief(partly due to required stealthing) and can 1v1, team fight at the very least the same but probably much better and at this point can handle 1v1s with dp thief’s at least for a few mins if both thief’s are good? > > > > > > > > First of all, no, Larcenous strike doesnt hit nearly as hard as Backstab, which already doesnt hit hard. And being able to 1v1 as well as d/p thief, given that d/p thief cant actually 1v1 is not exactly a good thing. But far as I can tell main downside is that you lose access to AoE stealth, which is a big deal. > > > > > > I am a little comfused ... So the ingame stealth a vital to the thief ? Or it is underpowered that most thieves dont actually use in-combat stealth , because its slow, telegraphed, and just gives your opponent free damage ? > > > > ... do you think thieves use AoE stealth in-combat? What, they just plop down a smoke field and start blasting, while hoping that the enemy Rev doesnt just decide to Gaze of Darkness or Chaotic Release? They use it out of combat as well. You stealth up *before* engaging. > > Most Condition Revs will take the Gaze of Darkness , or the Shiro for mobility + Lynx for the Boon Rmoval +leap ? As far as Im aware condition revs are also using Glint, and power rev is also quite the potent build right now. Besides, any AoE-wielding class works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kuro.8937 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > @"Dantheman.3589" said: > > > > > > Do ppl even realized there is unmatched boon rip on sword/d thief, where average larcenous strike hit for the same as good backstabs, with arguably better mobility than dash dp thief(partly due to required stealthing) and can 1v1, team fight at the very least the same but probably much better and at this point can handle 1v1s with dp thief’s at least for a few mins if both thief’s are good? > > > > > > > > > > First of all, no, Larcenous strike doesnt hit nearly as hard as Backstab, which already doesnt hit hard. And being able to 1v1 as well as d/p thief, given that d/p thief cant actually 1v1 is not exactly a good thing. But far as I can tell main downside is that you lose access to AoE stealth, which is a big deal. > > > > > > > > I am a little comfused ... So the ingame stealth a vital to the thief ? Or it is underpowered that most thieves dont actually use in-combat stealth , because its slow, telegraphed, and just gives your opponent free damage ? > > > > > > ... do you think thieves use AoE stealth in-combat? What, they just plop down a smoke field and start blasting, while hoping that the enemy Rev doesnt just decide to Gaze of Darkness or Chaotic Release? They use it out of combat as well. You stealth up *before* engaging. > > > > Most Condition Revs will take the Gaze of Darkness , or the Shiro for mobility + Lynx for the Boon Rmoval +leap ? > > As far as Im aware condition revs are also using Glint, and power rev is also quite the potent build right now. Besides, any AoE-wielding class works. Havent see the pvp vod . Did any Rev , saw from afar the thief + Mesmer freecasting stealth out of combat (or his friend on the Skype didnt warn him) and he didnt try to intercept them , using Gaze of Darkness (like for example the Clocktower mid stairs ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > @"Dantheman.3589" said: > > > > > > > Do ppl even realized there is unmatched boon rip on sword/d thief, where average larcenous strike hit for the same as good backstabs, with arguably better mobility than dash dp thief(partly due to required stealthing) and can 1v1, team fight at the very least the same but probably much better and at this point can handle 1v1s with dp thief’s at least for a few mins if both thief’s are good? > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all, no, Larcenous strike doesnt hit nearly as hard as Backstab, which already doesnt hit hard. And being able to 1v1 as well as d/p thief, given that d/p thief cant actually 1v1 is not exactly a good thing. But far as I can tell main downside is that you lose access to AoE stealth, which is a big deal. > > > > > > > > > > I am a little comfused ... So the ingame stealth a vital to the thief ? Or it is underpowered that most thieves dont actually use in-combat stealth , because its slow, telegraphed, and just gives your opponent free damage ? > > > > > > > > ... do you think thieves use AoE stealth in-combat? What, they just plop down a smoke field and start blasting, while hoping that the enemy Rev doesnt just decide to Gaze of Darkness or Chaotic Release? They use it out of combat as well. You stealth up *before* engaging. > > > > > > Most Condition Revs will take the Gaze of Darkness , or the Shiro for mobility + Lynx for the Boon Rmoval +leap ? > > > > As far as Im aware condition revs are also using Glint, and power rev is also quite the potent build right now. Besides, any AoE-wielding class works. > > Havent see the pvp vod . > Did any Rev , saw from afar the thief + Mesmer freecasting (or his friend on the Skype didnt warn him) stealth out of combat and he didnt try to intercept them , using Gaze of Darkness (like for example the Clocktower mid stairs ? You usually stealth up out of sight, letting your opponent see you as youre stealthing up would rather defeat the purpose of the whole thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yasai.3549 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Ever since Mesmer Portal got nerfed, Thief has been the strongest rotation class. If yu can have someone where yur enemy isn't to decap, then pop back in the matter of seconds to +1, that's how yu win games provided yur other teammates that aren't Thief are holding mid well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kuro.8937 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > @"Dantheman.3589" said: > > > > > > > > Do ppl even realized there is unmatched boon rip on sword/d thief, where average larcenous strike hit for the same as good backstabs, with arguably better mobility than dash dp thief(partly due to required stealthing) and can 1v1, team fight at the very least the same but probably much better and at this point can handle 1v1s with dp thief’s at least for a few mins if both thief’s are good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all, no, Larcenous strike doesnt hit nearly as hard as Backstab, which already doesnt hit hard. And being able to 1v1 as well as d/p thief, given that d/p thief cant actually 1v1 is not exactly a good thing. But far as I can tell main downside is that you lose access to AoE stealth, which is a big deal. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a little comfused ... So the ingame stealth a vital to the thief ? Or it is underpowered that most thieves dont actually use in-combat stealth , because its slow, telegraphed, and just gives your opponent free damage ? > > > > > > > > > > ... do you think thieves use AoE stealth in-combat? What, they just plop down a smoke field and start blasting, while hoping that the enemy Rev doesnt just decide to Gaze of Darkness or Chaotic Release? They use it out of combat as well. You stealth up *before* engaging. > > > > > > > > Most Condition Revs will take the Gaze of Darkness , or the Shiro for mobility + Lynx for the Boon Rmoval +leap ? > > > > > > As far as Im aware condition revs are also using Glint, and power rev is also quite the potent build right now. Besides, any AoE-wielding class works. > > > > Havent see the pvp vod . > > Did any Rev , saw from afar the thief + Mesmer freecasting (or his friend on the Skype didnt warn him) stealth out of combat and he didnt try to intercept them , using Gaze of Darkness (like for example the Clocktower mid stairs ? > > You usually stealth up out of sight, letting your opponent see you as youre stealthing up would rather defeat the purpose of the whole thing. Normaly if you die from the Mesmer + Thief combo and try to restealth , you can warn your team8s for 15 sec , while you are dead . Or the Bunker on the mid who has the higher ground can see everything Edit; I mean that even Gaze of Darkness have its limitations , if those 2 decide to fast run and hide hide behind colums to do a fast stealth up and burst . So ingame stealth can work too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Dantheman.3589" said: > > > > > > > > > Do ppl even realized there is unmatched boon rip on sword/d thief, where average larcenous strike hit for the same as good backstabs, with arguably better mobility than dash dp thief(partly due to required stealthing) and can 1v1, team fight at the very least the same but probably much better and at this point can handle 1v1s with dp thief’s at least for a few mins if both thief’s are good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all, no, Larcenous strike doesnt hit nearly as hard as Backstab, which already doesnt hit hard. And being able to 1v1 as well as d/p thief, given that d/p thief cant actually 1v1 is not exactly a good thing. But far as I can tell main downside is that you lose access to AoE stealth, which is a big deal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a little comfused ... So the ingame stealth a vital to the thief ? Or it is underpowered that most thieves dont actually use in-combat stealth , because its slow, telegraphed, and just gives your opponent free damage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > ... do you think thieves use AoE stealth in-combat? What, they just plop down a smoke field and start blasting, while hoping that the enemy Rev doesnt just decide to Gaze of Darkness or Chaotic Release? They use it out of combat as well. You stealth up *before* engaging. > > > > > > > > > > Most Condition Revs will take the Gaze of Darkness , or the Shiro for mobility + Lynx for the Boon Rmoval +leap ? > > > > > > > > As far as Im aware condition revs are also using Glint, and power rev is also quite the potent build right now. Besides, any AoE-wielding class works. > > > > > > Havent see the pvp vod . > > > Did any Rev , saw from afar the thief + Mesmer freecasting (or his friend on the Skype didnt warn him) stealth out of combat and he didnt try to intercept them , using Gaze of Darkness (like for example the Clocktower mid stairs ? > > > > You usually stealth up out of sight, letting your opponent see you as youre stealthing up would rather defeat the purpose of the whole thing. > > Normaly if you die from the Mesmer + Thief combo and try to restealth , you can warn your team8s for 15 sec , while you are dead . > Or the Bunker on the mid who has the higher ground can see everything > > Edit; I mean that even Gaze of Darkness have its limitations , if those 2 decide to fast run and hide hide behind colums to do a fast stealth up > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Dantheman.3589" said: > > > > > > > > > Do ppl even realized there is unmatched boon rip on sword/d thief, where average larcenous strike hit for the same as good backstabs, with arguably better mobility than dash dp thief(partly due to required stealthing) and can 1v1, team fight at the very least the same but probably much better and at this point can handle 1v1s with dp thief’s at least for a few mins if both thief’s are good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all, no, Larcenous strike doesnt hit nearly as hard as Backstab, which already doesnt hit hard. And being able to 1v1 as well as d/p thief, given that d/p thief cant actually 1v1 is not exactly a good thing. But far as I can tell main downside is that you lose access to AoE stealth, which is a big deal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a little comfused ... So the ingame stealth a vital to the thief ? Or it is underpowered that most thieves dont actually use in-combat stealth , because its slow, telegraphed, and just gives your opponent free damage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > ... do you think thieves use AoE stealth in-combat? What, they just plop down a smoke field and start blasting, while hoping that the enemy Rev doesnt just decide to Gaze of Darkness or Chaotic Release? They use it out of combat as well. You stealth up *before* engaging. > > > > > > > > > > Most Condition Revs will take the Gaze of Darkness , or the Shiro for mobility + Lynx for the Boon Rmoval +leap ? > > > > > > > > As far as Im aware condition revs are also using Glint, and power rev is also quite the potent build right now. Besides, any AoE-wielding class works. > > > > > > Havent see the pvp vod . > > > Did any Rev , saw from afar the thief + Mesmer freecasting (or his friend on the Skype didnt warn him) stealth out of combat and he didnt try to intercept them , using Gaze of Darkness (like for example the Clocktower mid stairs ? > > > > You usually stealth up out of sight, letting your opponent see you as youre stealthing up would rather defeat the purpose of the whole thing. > > Normaly if you die from the Mesmer + Thief combo and try to restealth , you can warn your team8s for 15 sec , while you are dead . > Or the Bunker on the mid who has the higher ground can see everything > > Edit; I mean that even Gaze of Darkness have its limitations , if those 2 decide to fast run and hide hide behind colums to do a fast stealth up I mean, you can say that they might be stealthed up, but the thing is as soon as you dont see them on the map, they might be stealthed up. That information brings very little. And you cant keep full track of the entire map at all times. Especially not because there are plenty of blind spots. And sure, if they run away far enough that you cant see them anymore, that would work, but then theyre not in-combat, are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantheman.3589 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > @"Dantheman.3589" said: > > Do ppl even realized there is unmatched boon rip on sword/d thief, where average larcenous strike hit for the same as good backstabs, with arguably better mobility than dash dp thief(partly due to required stealthing) and can 1v1, team fight at the very least the same but probably much better and at this point can handle 1v1s with dp thief’s at least for a few mins if both thief’s are good? > > First of all, no, Larcenous strike doesnt hit nearly as hard as Backstab, which already doesnt hit hard. And being able to 1v1 as well as d/p thief, given that d/p thief cant actually 1v1 is not exactly a good thing. But far as I can tell main downside is that you lose access to AoE stealth, which is a big deal. Really you pointed out that you see like highest 4K backstabs, while what I get in matches is average 3-4K and the best I’ve seen in matches so far is in the 6ks with my build, which is marauders not zerkers. This sounds like backstab right? Though I admit and know backstab is a more front loaded skill, but what matters is what happens WHEN YOU WILL ACTUALLY USE IT, also you need to keep in mind both are combo skills, but it’s pretty much is exactly as I said its usually hitting pretty much like a backstab except spammable and unblockable with boon rip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kuro.8937 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Dantheman.3589" said: > > > > > > > > > > Do ppl even realized there is unmatched boon rip on sword/d thief, where average larcenous strike hit for the same as good backstabs, with arguably better mobility than dash dp thief(partly due to required stealthing) and can 1v1, team fight at the very least the same but probably much better and at this point can handle 1v1s with dp thief’s at least for a few mins if both thief’s are good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all, no, Larcenous strike doesnt hit nearly as hard as Backstab, which already doesnt hit hard. And being able to 1v1 as well as d/p thief, given that d/p thief cant actually 1v1 is not exactly a good thing. But far as I can tell main downside is that you lose access to AoE stealth, which is a big deal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a little comfused ... So the ingame stealth a vital to the thief ? Or it is underpowered that most thieves dont actually use in-combat stealth , because its slow, telegraphed, and just gives your opponent free damage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... do you think thieves use AoE stealth in-combat? What, they just plop down a smoke field and start blasting, while hoping that the enemy Rev doesnt just decide to Gaze of Darkness or Chaotic Release? They use it out of combat as well. You stealth up *before* engaging. > > > > > > > > > > > > Most Condition Revs will take the Gaze of Darkness , or the Shiro for mobility + Lynx for the Boon Rmoval +leap ? > > > > > > > > > > As far as Im aware condition revs are also using Glint, and power rev is also quite the potent build right now. Besides, any AoE-wielding class works. > > > > > > > > Havent see the pvp vod . > > > > Did any Rev , saw from afar the thief + Mesmer freecasting (or his friend on the Skype didnt warn him) stealth out of combat and he didnt try to intercept them , using Gaze of Darkness (like for example the Clocktower mid stairs ? > > > > > > You usually stealth up out of sight, letting your opponent see you as youre stealthing up would rather defeat the purpose of the whole thing. > > > > Normaly if you die from the Mesmer + Thief combo and try to restealth , you can warn your team8s for 15 sec , while you are dead . > > Or the Bunker on the mid who has the higher ground can see everything > > > > Edit; I mean that even Gaze of Darkness have its limitations , if those 2 decide to fast run and hide hide behind colums to do a fast stealth up > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Dantheman.3589" said: > > > > > > > > > > Do ppl even realized there is unmatched boon rip on sword/d thief, where average larcenous strike hit for the same as good backstabs, with arguably better mobility than dash dp thief(partly due to required stealthing) and can 1v1, team fight at the very least the same but probably much better and at this point can handle 1v1s with dp thief’s at least for a few mins if both thief’s are good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all, no, Larcenous strike doesnt hit nearly as hard as Backstab, which already doesnt hit hard. And being able to 1v1 as well as d/p thief, given that d/p thief cant actually 1v1 is not exactly a good thing. But far as I can tell main downside is that you lose access to AoE stealth, which is a big deal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a little comfused ... So the ingame stealth a vital to the thief ? Or it is underpowered that most thieves dont actually use in-combat stealth , because its slow, telegraphed, and just gives your opponent free damage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... do you think thieves use AoE stealth in-combat? What, they just plop down a smoke field and start blasting, while hoping that the enemy Rev doesnt just decide to Gaze of Darkness or Chaotic Release? They use it out of combat as well. You stealth up *before* engaging. > > > > > > > > > > > > Most Condition Revs will take the Gaze of Darkness , or the Shiro for mobility + Lynx for the Boon Rmoval +leap ? > > > > > > > > > > As far as Im aware condition revs are also using Glint, and power rev is also quite the potent build right now. Besides, any AoE-wielding class works. > > > > > > > > Havent see the pvp vod . > > > > Did any Rev , saw from afar the thief + Mesmer freecasting (or his friend on the Skype didnt warn him) stealth out of combat and he didnt try to intercept them , using Gaze of Darkness (like for example the Clocktower mid stairs ? > > > > > > You usually stealth up out of sight, letting your opponent see you as youre stealthing up would rather defeat the purpose of the whole thing. > > > > Normaly if you die from the Mesmer + Thief combo and try to restealth , you can warn your team8s for 15 sec , while you are dead . > > Or the Bunker on the mid who has the higher ground can see everything > > > > Edit; I mean that even Gaze of Darkness have its limitations , if those 2 decide to fast run and hide hide behind colums to do a fast stealth up > > I mean, you can say that they might be stealthed up, but the thing is as soon as you dont see them on the map, they might be stealthed up. That information brings very little. And you cant keep full track of the entire map at all times. Especially not because there are plenty of blind spots. And sure, if they run away far enough that you cant see them anymore, that would work, but then theyre not in-combat, are they? But they can jump on some stair/balcones/hide behind sole colums and do a fast re-stealth and burst Isn't that in-combat stealth ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantheman.3589 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Dantheman.3589" said: > > > > > > > > > > > Do ppl even realized there is unmatched boon rip on sword/d thief, where average larcenous strike hit for the same as good backstabs, with arguably better mobility than dash dp thief(partly due to required stealthing) and can 1v1, team fight at the very least the same but probably much better and at this point can handle 1v1s with dp thief’s at least for a few mins if both thief’s are good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all, no, Larcenous strike doesnt hit nearly as hard as Backstab, which already doesnt hit hard. And being able to 1v1 as well as d/p thief, given that d/p thief cant actually 1v1 is not exactly a good thing. But far as I can tell main downside is that you lose access to AoE stealth, which is a big deal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a little comfused ... So the ingame stealth a vital to the thief ? Or it is underpowered that most thieves dont actually use in-combat stealth , because its slow, telegraphed, and just gives your opponent free damage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... do you think thieves use AoE stealth in-combat? What, they just plop down a smoke field and start blasting, while hoping that the enemy Rev doesnt just decide to Gaze of Darkness or Chaotic Release? They use it out of combat as well. You stealth up *before* engaging. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most Condition Revs will take the Gaze of Darkness , or the Shiro for mobility + Lynx for the Boon Rmoval +leap ? > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as Im aware condition revs are also using Glint, and power rev is also quite the potent build right now. Besides, any AoE-wielding class works. > > > > > > > > > > Havent see the pvp vod . > > > > > Did any Rev , saw from afar the thief + Mesmer freecasting (or his friend on the Skype didnt warn him) stealth out of combat and he didnt try to intercept them , using Gaze of Darkness (like for example the Clocktower mid stairs ? > > > > > > > > You usually stealth up out of sight, letting your opponent see you as youre stealthing up would rather defeat the purpose of the whole thing. > > > > > > Normaly if you die from the Mesmer + Thief combo and try to restealth , you can warn your team8s for 15 sec , while you are dead . > > > Or the Bunker on the mid who has the higher ground can see everything > > > > > > Edit; I mean that even Gaze of Darkness have its limitations , if those 2 decide to fast run and hide hide behind colums to do a fast stealth up > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Dantheman.3589" said: > > > > > > > > > > > Do ppl even realized there is unmatched boon rip on sword/d thief, where average larcenous strike hit for the same as good backstabs, with arguably better mobility than dash dp thief(partly due to required stealthing) and can 1v1, team fight at the very least the same but probably much better and at this point can handle 1v1s with dp thief’s at least for a few mins if both thief’s are good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all, no, Larcenous strike doesnt hit nearly as hard as Backstab, which already doesnt hit hard. And being able to 1v1 as well as d/p thief, given that d/p thief cant actually 1v1 is not exactly a good thing. But far as I can tell main downside is that you lose access to AoE stealth, which is a big deal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a little comfused ... So the ingame stealth a vital to the thief ? Or it is underpowered that most thieves dont actually use in-combat stealth , because its slow, telegraphed, and just gives your opponent free damage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... do you think thieves use AoE stealth in-combat? What, they just plop down a smoke field and start blasting, while hoping that the enemy Rev doesnt just decide to Gaze of Darkness or Chaotic Release? They use it out of combat as well. You stealth up *before* engaging. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most Condition Revs will take the Gaze of Darkness , or the Shiro for mobility + Lynx for the Boon Rmoval +leap ? > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as Im aware condition revs are also using Glint, and power rev is also quite the potent build right now. Besides, any AoE-wielding class works. > > > > > > > > > > Havent see the pvp vod . > > > > > Did any Rev , saw from afar the thief + Mesmer freecasting (or his friend on the Skype didnt warn him) stealth out of combat and he didnt try to intercept them , using Gaze of Darkness (like for example the Clocktower mid stairs ? > > > > > > > > You usually stealth up out of sight, letting your opponent see you as youre stealthing up would rather defeat the purpose of the whole thing. > > > > > > Normaly if you die from the Mesmer + Thief combo and try to restealth , you can warn your team8s for 15 sec , while you are dead . > > > Or the Bunker on the mid who has the higher ground can see everything > > > > > > Edit; I mean that even Gaze of Darkness have its limitations , if those 2 decide to fast run and hide hide behind colums to do a fast stealth up > > > > I mean, you can say that they might be stealthed up, but the thing is as soon as you dont see them on the map, they might be stealthed up. That information brings very little. And you cant keep full track of the entire map at all times. Especially not because there are plenty of blind spots. And sure, if they run away far enough that you cant see them anymore, that would work, but then theyre not in-combat, are they? > > But they can jump on some stair/balcones/hide behind sole colums and do a fast re-stealth and burst Yeah and restealthing is also slower and much less reliable. It’s also not that important for sustain since thief already has better sustain than Roamers like rev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 > @"Dantheman.3589" said: > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > @"Dantheman.3589" said: > > > Do ppl even realized there is unmatched boon rip on sword/d thief, where average larcenous strike hit for the same as good backstabs, with arguably better mobility than dash dp thief(partly due to required stealthing) and can 1v1, team fight at the very least the same but probably much better and at this point can handle 1v1s with dp thief’s at least for a few mins if both thief’s are good? > > > > First of all, no, Larcenous strike doesnt hit nearly as hard as Backstab, which already doesnt hit hard. And being able to 1v1 as well as d/p thief, given that d/p thief cant actually 1v1 is not exactly a good thing. But far as I can tell main downside is that you lose access to AoE stealth, which is a big deal. > > Really you pointed out that you see like highest 4K backstabs, while what I get in matches is average 3-4K and the best I’ve seen in matches so far is in the 6ks with my build, which is marauders not zerkers. This sounds like backstab right? Though I admit and know backstab is a more front loaded skill, but what matters is what happens WHEN YOU WILL ACTUALLY USE IT, also you need to keep in mind both are combo skills, but it’s pretty much is exactly as I said its usually hitting pretty much like a backstab except spammable and unblockable with boon rip. I said *Sindrener* was hitting 4k backstabs *for the most part*. He mightve hit a bit higher, but I mightve just missed it. That being said, part of that is that he wasnt even using Assassins Signet. Doesnt look like thieves are anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Dantheman.3589" said: > > > > > > > > > > > Do ppl even realized there is unmatched boon rip on sword/d thief, where average larcenous strike hit for the same as good backstabs, with arguably better mobility than dash dp thief(partly due to required stealthing) and can 1v1, team fight at the very least the same but probably much better and at this point can handle 1v1s with dp thief’s at least for a few mins if both thief’s are good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all, no, Larcenous strike doesnt hit nearly as hard as Backstab, which already doesnt hit hard. And being able to 1v1 as well as d/p thief, given that d/p thief cant actually 1v1 is not exactly a good thing. But far as I can tell main downside is that you lose access to AoE stealth, which is a big deal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a little comfused ... So the ingame stealth a vital to the thief ? Or it is underpowered that most thieves dont actually use in-combat stealth , because its slow, telegraphed, and just gives your opponent free damage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... do you think thieves use AoE stealth in-combat? What, they just plop down a smoke field and start blasting, while hoping that the enemy Rev doesnt just decide to Gaze of Darkness or Chaotic Release? They use it out of combat as well. You stealth up *before* engaging. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most Condition Revs will take the Gaze of Darkness , or the Shiro for mobility + Lynx for the Boon Rmoval +leap ? > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as Im aware condition revs are also using Glint, and power rev is also quite the potent build right now. Besides, any AoE-wielding class works. > > > > > > > > > > Havent see the pvp vod . > > > > > Did any Rev , saw from afar the thief + Mesmer freecasting (or his friend on the Skype didnt warn him) stealth out of combat and he didnt try to intercept them , using Gaze of Darkness (like for example the Clocktower mid stairs ? > > > > > > > > You usually stealth up out of sight, letting your opponent see you as youre stealthing up would rather defeat the purpose of the whole thing. > > > > > > Normaly if you die from the Mesmer + Thief combo and try to restealth , you can warn your team8s for 15 sec , while you are dead . > > > Or the Bunker on the mid who has the higher ground can see everything > > > > > > Edit; I mean that even Gaze of Darkness have its limitations , if those 2 decide to fast run and hide hide behind colums to do a fast stealth up > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Dantheman.3589" said: > > > > > > > > > > > Do ppl even realized there is unmatched boon rip on sword/d thief, where average larcenous strike hit for the same as good backstabs, with arguably better mobility than dash dp thief(partly due to required stealthing) and can 1v1, team fight at the very least the same but probably much better and at this point can handle 1v1s with dp thief’s at least for a few mins if both thief’s are good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all, no, Larcenous strike doesnt hit nearly as hard as Backstab, which already doesnt hit hard. And being able to 1v1 as well as d/p thief, given that d/p thief cant actually 1v1 is not exactly a good thing. But far as I can tell main downside is that you lose access to AoE stealth, which is a big deal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a little comfused ... So the ingame stealth a vital to the thief ? Or it is underpowered that most thieves dont actually use in-combat stealth , because its slow, telegraphed, and just gives your opponent free damage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... do you think thieves use AoE stealth in-combat? What, they just plop down a smoke field and start blasting, while hoping that the enemy Rev doesnt just decide to Gaze of Darkness or Chaotic Release? They use it out of combat as well. You stealth up *before* engaging. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most Condition Revs will take the Gaze of Darkness , or the Shiro for mobility + Lynx for the Boon Rmoval +leap ? > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as Im aware condition revs are also using Glint, and power rev is also quite the potent build right now. Besides, any AoE-wielding class works. > > > > > > > > > > Havent see the pvp vod . > > > > > Did any Rev , saw from afar the thief + Mesmer freecasting (or his friend on the Skype didnt warn him) stealth out of combat and he didnt try to intercept them , using Gaze of Darkness (like for example the Clocktower mid stairs ? > > > > > > > > You usually stealth up out of sight, letting your opponent see you as youre stealthing up would rather defeat the purpose of the whole thing. > > > > > > Normaly if you die from the Mesmer + Thief combo and try to restealth , you can warn your team8s for 15 sec , while you are dead . > > > Or the Bunker on the mid who has the higher ground can see everything > > > > > > Edit; I mean that even Gaze of Darkness have its limitations , if those 2 decide to fast run and hide hide behind colums to do a fast stealth up > > > > I mean, you can say that they might be stealthed up, but the thing is as soon as you dont see them on the map, they might be stealthed up. That information brings very little. And you cant keep full track of the entire map at all times. Especially not because there are plenty of blind spots. And sure, if they run away far enough that you cant see them anymore, that would work, but then theyre not in-combat, are they? > > But they can jump on some stair/balcones/hide behind sole colums and do a fast re-stealth and burst > Isn't that in-combat stealth ? AoE stealthing is anything but fast. Try doing that and the Rev *will* Gaze your ass, or another class might chuck some AoEs your way. That doesnt work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kuro.8937 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Dantheman.3589" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > Do ppl even realized there is unmatched boon rip on sword/d thief, where average larcenous strike hit for the same as good backstabs, with arguably better mobility than dash dp thief(partly due to required stealthing) and can 1v1, team fight at the very least the same but probably much better and at this point can handle 1v1s with dp thief’s at least for a few mins if both thief’s are good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all, no, Larcenous strike doesnt hit nearly as hard as Backstab, which already doesnt hit hard. And being able to 1v1 as well as d/p thief, given that d/p thief cant actually 1v1 is not exactly a good thing. But far as I can tell main downside is that you lose access to AoE stealth, which is a big deal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a little comfused ... So the ingame stealth a vital to the thief ? Or it is underpowered that most thieves dont actually use in-combat stealth , because its slow, telegraphed, and just gives your opponent free damage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... do you think thieves use AoE stealth in-combat? What, they just plop down a smoke field and start blasting, while hoping that the enemy Rev doesnt just decide to Gaze of Darkness or Chaotic Release? They use it out of combat as well. You stealth up *before* engaging. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most Condition Revs will take the Gaze of Darkness , or the Shiro for mobility + Lynx for the Boon Rmoval +leap ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as Im aware condition revs are also using Glint, and power rev is also quite the potent build right now. Besides, any AoE-wielding class works. > > > > > > > > > > > > Havent see the pvp vod . > > > > > > Did any Rev , saw from afar the thief + Mesmer freecasting (or his friend on the Skype didnt warn him) stealth out of combat and he didnt try to intercept them , using Gaze of Darkness (like for example the Clocktower mid stairs ? > > > > > > > > > > You usually stealth up out of sight, letting your opponent see you as youre stealthing up would rather defeat the purpose of the whole thing. > > > > > > > > Normaly if you die from the Mesmer + Thief combo and try to restealth , you can warn your team8s for 15 sec , while you are dead . > > > > Or the Bunker on the mid who has the higher ground can see everything > > > > > > > > Edit; I mean that even Gaze of Darkness have its limitations , if those 2 decide to fast run and hide hide behind colums to do a fast stealth up > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Dantheman.3589" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > Do ppl even realized there is unmatched boon rip on sword/d thief, where average larcenous strike hit for the same as good backstabs, with arguably better mobility than dash dp thief(partly due to required stealthing) and can 1v1, team fight at the very least the same but probably much better and at this point can handle 1v1s with dp thief’s at least for a few mins if both thief’s are good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all, no, Larcenous strike doesnt hit nearly as hard as Backstab, which already doesnt hit hard. And being able to 1v1 as well as d/p thief, given that d/p thief cant actually 1v1 is not exactly a good thing. But far as I can tell main downside is that you lose access to AoE stealth, which is a big deal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a little comfused ... So the ingame stealth a vital to the thief ? Or it is underpowered that most thieves dont actually use in-combat stealth , because its slow, telegraphed, and just gives your opponent free damage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... do you think thieves use AoE stealth in-combat? What, they just plop down a smoke field and start blasting, while hoping that the enemy Rev doesnt just decide to Gaze of Darkness or Chaotic Release? They use it out of combat as well. You stealth up *before* engaging. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most Condition Revs will take the Gaze of Darkness , or the Shiro for mobility + Lynx for the Boon Rmoval +leap ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as Im aware condition revs are also using Glint, and power rev is also quite the potent build right now. Besides, any AoE-wielding class works. > > > > > > > > > > > > Havent see the pvp vod . > > > > > > Did any Rev , saw from afar the thief + Mesmer freecasting (or his friend on the Skype didnt warn him) stealth out of combat and he didnt try to intercept them , using Gaze of Darkness (like for example the Clocktower mid stairs ? > > > > > > > > > > You usually stealth up out of sight, letting your opponent see you as youre stealthing up would rather defeat the purpose of the whole thing. > > > > > > > > Normaly if you die from the Mesmer + Thief combo and try to restealth , you can warn your team8s for 15 sec , while you are dead . > > > > Or the Bunker on the mid who has the higher ground can see everything > > > > > > > > Edit; I mean that even Gaze of Darkness have its limitations , if those 2 decide to fast run and hide hide behind colums to do a fast stealth up > > > > > > I mean, you can say that they might be stealthed up, but the thing is as soon as you dont see them on the map, they might be stealthed up. That information brings very little. And you cant keep full track of the entire map at all times. Especially not because there are plenty of blind spots. And sure, if they run away far enough that you cant see them anymore, that would work, but then theyre not in-combat, are they? > > > > But they can jump on some stair/balcones/hide behind sole colums and do a fast re-stealth and burst > > Isn't that in-combat stealth ? > > AoE stealthing is anything but fast. Try doing that and the Rev *will* Gaze your kitten, or another class might chuck some AoEs your way. That doesnt work. Rev with Gaze are slower character , because they have only swiftness for mobility . Mesmer can throw a cripple on them and mess them good Thieves + Mesmers have enought time to move some yards and don't worry about getting de-stealth and then come and burst him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Dantheman.3589" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do ppl even realized there is unmatched boon rip on sword/d thief, where average larcenous strike hit for the same as good backstabs, with arguably better mobility than dash dp thief(partly due to required stealthing) and can 1v1, team fight at the very least the same but probably much better and at this point can handle 1v1s with dp thief’s at least for a few mins if both thief’s are good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all, no, Larcenous strike doesnt hit nearly as hard as Backstab, which already doesnt hit hard. And being able to 1v1 as well as d/p thief, given that d/p thief cant actually 1v1 is not exactly a good thing. But far as I can tell main downside is that you lose access to AoE stealth, which is a big deal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a little comfused ... So the ingame stealth a vital to the thief ? Or it is underpowered that most thieves dont actually use in-combat stealth , because its slow, telegraphed, and just gives your opponent free damage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... do you think thieves use AoE stealth in-combat? What, they just plop down a smoke field and start blasting, while hoping that the enemy Rev doesnt just decide to Gaze of Darkness or Chaotic Release? They use it out of combat as well. You stealth up *before* engaging. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most Condition Revs will take the Gaze of Darkness , or the Shiro for mobility + Lynx for the Boon Rmoval +leap ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as Im aware condition revs are also using Glint, and power rev is also quite the potent build right now. Besides, any AoE-wielding class works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Havent see the pvp vod . > > > > > > > Did any Rev , saw from afar the thief + Mesmer freecasting (or his friend on the Skype didnt warn him) stealth out of combat and he didnt try to intercept them , using Gaze of Darkness (like for example the Clocktower mid stairs ? > > > > > > > > > > > > You usually stealth up out of sight, letting your opponent see you as youre stealthing up would rather defeat the purpose of the whole thing. > > > > > > > > > > Normaly if you die from the Mesmer + Thief combo and try to restealth , you can warn your team8s for 15 sec , while you are dead . > > > > > Or the Bunker on the mid who has the higher ground can see everything > > > > > > > > > > Edit; I mean that even Gaze of Darkness have its limitations , if those 2 decide to fast run and hide hide behind colums to do a fast stealth up > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Dantheman.3589" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do ppl even realized there is unmatched boon rip on sword/d thief, where average larcenous strike hit for the same as good backstabs, with arguably better mobility than dash dp thief(partly due to required stealthing) and can 1v1, team fight at the very least the same but probably much better and at this point can handle 1v1s with dp thief’s at least for a few mins if both thief’s are good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all, no, Larcenous strike doesnt hit nearly as hard as Backstab, which already doesnt hit hard. And being able to 1v1 as well as d/p thief, given that d/p thief cant actually 1v1 is not exactly a good thing. But far as I can tell main downside is that you lose access to AoE stealth, which is a big deal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a little comfused ... So the ingame stealth a vital to the thief ? Or it is underpowered that most thieves dont actually use in-combat stealth , because its slow, telegraphed, and just gives your opponent free damage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... do you think thieves use AoE stealth in-combat? What, they just plop down a smoke field and start blasting, while hoping that the enemy Rev doesnt just decide to Gaze of Darkness or Chaotic Release? They use it out of combat as well. You stealth up *before* engaging. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most Condition Revs will take the Gaze of Darkness , or the Shiro for mobility + Lynx for the Boon Rmoval +leap ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as Im aware condition revs are also using Glint, and power rev is also quite the potent build right now. Besides, any AoE-wielding class works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Havent see the pvp vod . > > > > > > > Did any Rev , saw from afar the thief + Mesmer freecasting (or his friend on the Skype didnt warn him) stealth out of combat and he didnt try to intercept them , using Gaze of Darkness (like for example the Clocktower mid stairs ? > > > > > > > > > > > > You usually stealth up out of sight, letting your opponent see you as youre stealthing up would rather defeat the purpose of the whole thing. > > > > > > > > > > Normaly if you die from the Mesmer + Thief combo and try to restealth , you can warn your team8s for 15 sec , while you are dead . > > > > > Or the Bunker on the mid who has the higher ground can see everything > > > > > > > > > > Edit; I mean that even Gaze of Darkness have its limitations , if those 2 decide to fast run and hide hide behind colums to do a fast stealth up > > > > > > > > I mean, you can say that they might be stealthed up, but the thing is as soon as you dont see them on the map, they might be stealthed up. That information brings very little. And you cant keep full track of the entire map at all times. Especially not because there are plenty of blind spots. And sure, if they run away far enough that you cant see them anymore, that would work, but then theyre not in-combat, are they? > > > > > > But they can jump on some stair/balcones/hide behind sole colums and do a fast re-stealth and burst > > > Isn't that in-combat stealth ? > > > > AoE stealthing is anything but fast. Try doing that and the Rev *will* Gaze your kitten, or another class might chuck some AoEs your way. That doesnt work. > > Rev with Gaze are slower character , because they have only swiftness for mobility . > Mesmer can throw a cripple on them and mess them good > Thieves + Mesmers have enought time to move some yards and don't worry about getting de-stealth and then come and burst him Actually, they have Rising Momentum. Theyre significantly faster than a thief who wants to stealth up (which means the thief has to start with D/P and switch to shortbow, so they have no access to teleports). And even if thief could do that, youd have to move so far away its still not a viable option. It simply doesnt happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kuro.8937 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Dantheman.3589" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do ppl even realized there is unmatched boon rip on sword/d thief, where average larcenous strike hit for the same as good backstabs, with arguably better mobility than dash dp thief(partly due to required stealthing) and can 1v1, team fight at the very least the same but probably much better and at this point can handle 1v1s with dp thief’s at least for a few mins if both thief’s are good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all, no, Larcenous strike doesnt hit nearly as hard as Backstab, which already doesnt hit hard. And being able to 1v1 as well as d/p thief, given that d/p thief cant actually 1v1 is not exactly a good thing. But far as I can tell main downside is that you lose access to AoE stealth, which is a big deal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a little comfused ... So the ingame stealth a vital to the thief ? Or it is underpowered that most thieves dont actually use in-combat stealth , because its slow, telegraphed, and just gives your opponent free damage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... do you think thieves use AoE stealth in-combat? What, they just plop down a smoke field and start blasting, while hoping that the enemy Rev doesnt just decide to Gaze of Darkness or Chaotic Release? They use it out of combat as well. You stealth up *before* engaging. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most Condition Revs will take the Gaze of Darkness , or the Shiro for mobility + Lynx for the Boon Rmoval +leap ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as Im aware condition revs are also using Glint, and power rev is also quite the potent build right now. Besides, any AoE-wielding class works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Havent see the pvp vod . > > > > > > > > Did any Rev , saw from afar the thief + Mesmer freecasting (or his friend on the Skype didnt warn him) stealth out of combat and he didnt try to intercept them , using Gaze of Darkness (like for example the Clocktower mid stairs ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You usually stealth up out of sight, letting your opponent see you as youre stealthing up would rather defeat the purpose of the whole thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Normaly if you die from the Mesmer + Thief combo and try to restealth , you can warn your team8s for 15 sec , while you are dead . > > > > > > Or the Bunker on the mid who has the higher ground can see everything > > > > > > > > > > > > Edit; I mean that even Gaze of Darkness have its limitations , if those 2 decide to fast run and hide hide behind colums to do a fast stealth up > > > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Dantheman.3589" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do ppl even realized there is unmatched boon rip on sword/d thief, where average larcenous strike hit for the same as good backstabs, with arguably better mobility than dash dp thief(partly due to required stealthing) and can 1v1, team fight at the very least the same but probably much better and at this point can handle 1v1s with dp thief’s at least for a few mins if both thief’s are good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all, no, Larcenous strike doesnt hit nearly as hard as Backstab, which already doesnt hit hard. And being able to 1v1 as well as d/p thief, given that d/p thief cant actually 1v1 is not exactly a good thing. But far as I can tell main downside is that you lose access to AoE stealth, which is a big deal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a little comfused ... So the ingame stealth a vital to the thief ? Or it is underpowered that most thieves dont actually use in-combat stealth , because its slow, telegraphed, and just gives your opponent free damage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... do you think thieves use AoE stealth in-combat? What, they just plop down a smoke field and start blasting, while hoping that the enemy Rev doesnt just decide to Gaze of Darkness or Chaotic Release? They use it out of combat as well. You stealth up *before* engaging. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most Condition Revs will take the Gaze of Darkness , or the Shiro for mobility + Lynx for the Boon Rmoval +leap ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as Im aware condition revs are also using Glint, and power rev is also quite the potent build right now. Besides, any AoE-wielding class works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Havent see the pvp vod . > > > > > > > > Did any Rev , saw from afar the thief + Mesmer freecasting (or his friend on the Skype didnt warn him) stealth out of combat and he didnt try to intercept them , using Gaze of Darkness (like for example the Clocktower mid stairs ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You usually stealth up out of sight, letting your opponent see you as youre stealthing up would rather defeat the purpose of the whole thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Normaly if you die from the Mesmer + Thief combo and try to restealth , you can warn your team8s for 15 sec , while you are dead . > > > > > > Or the Bunker on the mid who has the higher ground can see everything > > > > > > > > > > > > Edit; I mean that even Gaze of Darkness have its limitations , if those 2 decide to fast run and hide hide behind colums to do a fast stealth up > > > > > > > > > > I mean, you can say that they might be stealthed up, but the thing is as soon as you dont see them on the map, they might be stealthed up. That information brings very little. And you cant keep full track of the entire map at all times. Especially not because there are plenty of blind spots. And sure, if they run away far enough that you cant see them anymore, that would work, but then theyre not in-combat, are they? > > > > > > > > But they can jump on some stair/balcones/hide behind sole colums and do a fast re-stealth and burst > > > > Isn't that in-combat stealth ? > > > > > > AoE stealthing is anything but fast. Try doing that and the Rev *will* Gaze your kitten, or another class might chuck some AoEs your way. That doesnt work. > > > > Rev with Gaze are slower character , because they have only swiftness for mobility . > > Mesmer can throw a cripple on them and mess them good > > Thieves + Mesmers have enought time to move some yards and don't worry about getting de-stealth and then come and burst him > > Actually, they have Rising Momentum. Theyre significantly faster than a thief who wants to stealth up (which means the thief has to start with D/P and switch to shortbow, so they have no access to teleports). And even if thief could do that, youd have to move so far away its still not a viable option. It simply doesnt happen. Rising Momentum 5% Movement Speed for each point of upkeep doesnt stack with Swiftness . And by using 1 cripple/slow doesnt cancel each other (33% increase speed doesnt cancels 33% cripple = so you are not slowed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Dantheman.3589" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do ppl even realized there is unmatched boon rip on sword/d thief, where average larcenous strike hit for the same as good backstabs, with arguably better mobility than dash dp thief(partly due to required stealthing) and can 1v1, team fight at the very least the same but probably much better and at this point can handle 1v1s with dp thief’s at least for a few mins if both thief’s are good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all, no, Larcenous strike doesnt hit nearly as hard as Backstab, which already doesnt hit hard. And being able to 1v1 as well as d/p thief, given that d/p thief cant actually 1v1 is not exactly a good thing. But far as I can tell main downside is that you lose access to AoE stealth, which is a big deal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a little comfused ... So the ingame stealth a vital to the thief ? Or it is underpowered that most thieves dont actually use in-combat stealth , because its slow, telegraphed, and just gives your opponent free damage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... do you think thieves use AoE stealth in-combat? What, they just plop down a smoke field and start blasting, while hoping that the enemy Rev doesnt just decide to Gaze of Darkness or Chaotic Release? They use it out of combat as well. You stealth up *before* engaging. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most Condition Revs will take the Gaze of Darkness , or the Shiro for mobility + Lynx for the Boon Rmoval +leap ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as Im aware condition revs are also using Glint, and power rev is also quite the potent build right now. Besides, any AoE-wielding class works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Havent see the pvp vod . > > > > > > > > > Did any Rev , saw from afar the thief + Mesmer freecasting (or his friend on the Skype didnt warn him) stealth out of combat and he didnt try to intercept them , using Gaze of Darkness (like for example the Clocktower mid stairs ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You usually stealth up out of sight, letting your opponent see you as youre stealthing up would rather defeat the purpose of the whole thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Normaly if you die from the Mesmer + Thief combo and try to restealth , you can warn your team8s for 15 sec , while you are dead . > > > > > > > Or the Bunker on the mid who has the higher ground can see everything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Edit; I mean that even Gaze of Darkness have its limitations , if those 2 decide to fast run and hide hide behind colums to do a fast stealth up > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Dantheman.3589" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do ppl even realized there is unmatched boon rip on sword/d thief, where average larcenous strike hit for the same as good backstabs, with arguably better mobility than dash dp thief(partly due to required stealthing) and can 1v1, team fight at the very least the same but probably much better and at this point can handle 1v1s with dp thief’s at least for a few mins if both thief’s are good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all, no, Larcenous strike doesnt hit nearly as hard as Backstab, which already doesnt hit hard. And being able to 1v1 as well as d/p thief, given that d/p thief cant actually 1v1 is not exactly a good thing. But far as I can tell main downside is that you lose access to AoE stealth, which is a big deal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a little comfused ... So the ingame stealth a vital to the thief ? Or it is underpowered that most thieves dont actually use in-combat stealth , because its slow, telegraphed, and just gives your opponent free damage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... do you think thieves use AoE stealth in-combat? What, they just plop down a smoke field and start blasting, while hoping that the enemy Rev doesnt just decide to Gaze of Darkness or Chaotic Release? They use it out of combat as well. You stealth up *before* engaging. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most Condition Revs will take the Gaze of Darkness , or the Shiro for mobility + Lynx for the Boon Rmoval +leap ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as Im aware condition revs are also using Glint, and power rev is also quite the potent build right now. Besides, any AoE-wielding class works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Havent see the pvp vod . > > > > > > > > > Did any Rev , saw from afar the thief + Mesmer freecasting (or his friend on the Skype didnt warn him) stealth out of combat and he didnt try to intercept them , using Gaze of Darkness (like for example the Clocktower mid stairs ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You usually stealth up out of sight, letting your opponent see you as youre stealthing up would rather defeat the purpose of the whole thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Normaly if you die from the Mesmer + Thief combo and try to restealth , you can warn your team8s for 15 sec , while you are dead . > > > > > > > Or the Bunker on the mid who has the higher ground can see everything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Edit; I mean that even Gaze of Darkness have its limitations , if those 2 decide to fast run and hide hide behind colums to do a fast stealth up > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean, you can say that they might be stealthed up, but the thing is as soon as you dont see them on the map, they might be stealthed up. That information brings very little. And you cant keep full track of the entire map at all times. Especially not because there are plenty of blind spots. And sure, if they run away far enough that you cant see them anymore, that would work, but then theyre not in-combat, are they? > > > > > > > > > > But they can jump on some stair/balcones/hide behind sole colums and do a fast re-stealth and burst > > > > > Isn't that in-combat stealth ? > > > > > > > > AoE stealthing is anything but fast. Try doing that and the Rev *will* Gaze your kitten, or another class might chuck some AoEs your way. That doesnt work. > > > > > > Rev with Gaze are slower character , because they have only swiftness for mobility . > > > Mesmer can throw a cripple on them and mess them good > > > Thieves + Mesmers have enought time to move some yards and don't worry about getting de-stealth and then come and burst him > > > > Actually, they have Rising Momentum. Theyre significantly faster than a thief who wants to stealth up (which means the thief has to start with D/P and switch to shortbow, so they have no access to teleports). And even if thief could do that, youd have to move so far away its still not a viable option. It simply doesnt happen. > > Rising Momentum 5% Movement Speed for each point of upkeep doesnt stack with Swiftness . > And by using 1 cripple/slow doesnt cancel each other (33% increase speed doesnt cancels 33% cripple = so you are not slowed) Normally movement speed boosts do indeed not stack with each other. However. This one is an exception. Take a look at [these](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/53000/game-update-notes-august-28-2018#latest) update notes. Specifically, Revenant section, Herald update, Rising momentum. "Rising Momentum: This trait has replaced Hardening Persistence as an adept tier trait and grants the revenant a 5% increased movement speed for each point of upkeep they are using. The movement speed granted by this trait stacks with all other movement speed increases." This has not been changed since. Granted, I dont know if its working as intended, or if its bugged, Im not a big fan of Rev so I havent played it much, but assuming it isnt bugged, it does in fact stack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArlAlt.1630 Posted March 30, 2020 Author Share Posted March 30, 2020 > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Dantheman.3589" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do ppl even realized there is unmatched boon rip on sword/d thief, where average larcenous strike hit for the same as good backstabs, with arguably better mobility than dash dp thief(partly due to required stealthing) and can 1v1, team fight at the very least the same but probably much better and at this point can handle 1v1s with dp thief’s at least for a few mins if both thief’s are good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all, no, Larcenous strike doesnt hit nearly as hard as Backstab, which already doesnt hit hard. And being able to 1v1 as well as d/p thief, given that d/p thief cant actually 1v1 is not exactly a good thing. But far as I can tell main downside is that you lose access to AoE stealth, which is a big deal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a little comfused ... So the ingame stealth a vital to the thief ? Or it is underpowered that most thieves dont actually use in-combat stealth , because its slow, telegraphed, and just gives your opponent free damage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... do you think thieves use AoE stealth in-combat? What, they just plop down a smoke field and start blasting, while hoping that the enemy Rev doesnt just decide to Gaze of Darkness or Chaotic Release? They use it out of combat as well. You stealth up *before* engaging. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most Condition Revs will take the Gaze of Darkness , or the Shiro for mobility + Lynx for the Boon Rmoval +leap ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as Im aware condition revs are also using Glint, and power rev is also quite the potent build right now. Besides, any AoE-wielding class works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Havent see the pvp vod . > > > > > > > > > > Did any Rev , saw from afar the thief + Mesmer freecasting (or his friend on the Skype didnt warn him) stealth out of combat and he didnt try to intercept them , using Gaze of Darkness (like for example the Clocktower mid stairs ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You usually stealth up out of sight, letting your opponent see you as youre stealthing up would rather defeat the purpose of the whole thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Normaly if you die from the Mesmer + Thief combo and try to restealth , you can warn your team8s for 15 sec , while you are dead . > > > > > > > > Or the Bunker on the mid who has the higher ground can see everything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Edit; I mean that even Gaze of Darkness have its limitations , if those 2 decide to fast run and hide hide behind colums to do a fast stealth up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Dantheman.3589" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do ppl even realized there is unmatched boon rip on sword/d thief, where average larcenous strike hit for the same as good backstabs, with arguably better mobility than dash dp thief(partly due to required stealthing) and can 1v1, team fight at the very least the same but probably much better and at this point can handle 1v1s with dp thief’s at least for a few mins if both thief’s are good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all, no, Larcenous strike doesnt hit nearly as hard as Backstab, which already doesnt hit hard. And being able to 1v1 as well as d/p thief, given that d/p thief cant actually 1v1 is not exactly a good thing. But far as I can tell main downside is that you lose access to AoE stealth, which is a big deal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a little comfused ... So the ingame stealth a vital to the thief ? Or it is underpowered that most thieves dont actually use in-combat stealth , because its slow, telegraphed, and just gives your opponent free damage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... do you think thieves use AoE stealth in-combat? What, they just plop down a smoke field and start blasting, while hoping that the enemy Rev doesnt just decide to Gaze of Darkness or Chaotic Release? They use it out of combat as well. You stealth up *before* engaging. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most Condition Revs will take the Gaze of Darkness , or the Shiro for mobility + Lynx for the Boon Rmoval +leap ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as Im aware condition revs are also using Glint, and power rev is also quite the potent build right now. Besides, any AoE-wielding class works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Havent see the pvp vod . > > > > > > > > > > Did any Rev , saw from afar the thief + Mesmer freecasting (or his friend on the Skype didnt warn him) stealth out of combat and he didnt try to intercept them , using Gaze of Darkness (like for example the Clocktower mid stairs ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You usually stealth up out of sight, letting your opponent see you as youre stealthing up would rather defeat the purpose of the whole thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Normaly if you die from the Mesmer + Thief combo and try to restealth , you can warn your team8s for 15 sec , while you are dead . > > > > > > > > Or the Bunker on the mid who has the higher ground can see everything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Edit; I mean that even Gaze of Darkness have its limitations , if those 2 decide to fast run and hide hide behind colums to do a fast stealth up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean, you can say that they might be stealthed up, but the thing is as soon as you dont see them on the map, they might be stealthed up. That information brings very little. And you cant keep full track of the entire map at all times. Especially not because there are plenty of blind spots. And sure, if they run away far enough that you cant see them anymore, that would work, but then theyre not in-combat, are they? > > > > > > > > > > > > But they can jump on some stair/balcones/hide behind sole colums and do a fast re-stealth and burst > > > > > > Isn't that in-combat stealth ? > > > > > > > > > > AoE stealthing is anything but fast. Try doing that and the Rev *will* Gaze your kitten, or another class might chuck some AoEs your way. That doesnt work. > > > > > > > > Rev with Gaze are slower character , because they have only swiftness for mobility . > > > > Mesmer can throw a cripple on them and mess them good > > > > Thieves + Mesmers have enought time to move some yards and don't worry about getting de-stealth and then come and burst him > > > > > > Actually, they have Rising Momentum. Theyre significantly faster than a thief who wants to stealth up (which means the thief has to start with D/P and switch to shortbow, so they have no access to teleports). And even if thief could do that, youd have to move so far away its still not a viable option. It simply doesnt happen. > > > > Rising Momentum 5% Movement Speed for each point of upkeep doesnt stack with Swiftness . > > And by using 1 cripple/slow doesnt cancel each other (33% increase speed doesnt cancels 33% cripple = so you are not slowed) > > Normally movement speed boosts do indeed not stack with each other. However. This one is an exception. Take a look at [these](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/53000/game-update-notes-august-28-2018#latest) update notes. Specifically, Revenant section, Herald update, Rising momentum. > > "Rising Momentum: This trait has replaced Hardening Persistence as an adept tier trait and grants the revenant a 5% increased movement speed for each point of upkeep they are using. The movement speed granted by this trait stacks with all other movement speed increases." > > This has not been changed since. Granted, I dont know if its working as intended, or if its bugged, Im not a big fan of Rev so I havent played it much, but assuming it isnt bugged, it does in fact stack. Bottomline, NERF THIEF! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotte in space.2158 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 > @"bluri.2653" said: > Optimal comp id say rn at least for some matches would be 2x power rev fb/tempest(depending on map) and mirage+protholo Although a tempest like Faceroll dos is a very good support, I wouldnt call it optimal like for example danshee was for TCG. This build does very good healing support and incredible condi cleanse, and its got the tools to escape with its cantrip utillities. But it has no swiftness (unless by combo) and just very little stability and therefore its pretty vulnerable to CCs. When +1ed or attacked by a strong warrior then its time over for a tempest with this build pretty soon. Therefore its not optimal to hold a node like for example weaver, FB, rev or necro can do and so its strong role is limited to teamfight support only. But as a tempest main (yes I was so crazy to play it even in times of powercreep) I am happy to see that a player like you calls tempest optimal. What I actually wanted to ask you is : on which maps do you consider tempest to be optimal/not optimal and why ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArlAlt.1630 Posted March 30, 2020 Author Share Posted March 30, 2020 My apologies ladies. It seems I had a few too many last night and and was feeling trolly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayga.3192 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 > @"ArlAlt.1630" said: > My apologies ladies. It seems I had a few too many last night and and was feeling trolly. You made me post that "nerf portal" thread >_> xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArlAlt.1630 Posted March 30, 2020 Author Share Posted March 30, 2020 > @"Tayga.3192" said: > > @"ArlAlt.1630" said: > > My apologies ladies. It seems I had a few too many last night and and was feeling trolly. > > You made me post that "nerf portal" thread >_> > > xD Oh snap, I really did Own psychoprophet in that one, didn't I? :lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArlAlt.1630 Posted March 30, 2020 Author Share Posted March 30, 2020 Soooo @"Odik.4587" did some testing today. Sind is correct that SA>DA in terms of damage. However said damage is so absurd that @"bluri.2653" will have a field day trying to defend it. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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