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Kinda wondering if one of the last story missions will have Jormag and Primordus doing some kinda DBZ beam struggle in the background, while we deal with both icebrood and destroyers. Possibly with Braham seeing an opportunity to strike Jormag with his bow, allowing Primordus to gain the upper hand and finish the Ice Dragon for good...
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> @"Dutchdevil.6902" said:
> Hello,
> I have to say the newest living story is really bad
> - Boring grind missions with bosses with to much hp.. just spamming skills
> - repeating achievements so have to do grind over and over. I thought yes, challenges done, but we have to do this multiple times.. pfff
> - - people get on edge of map and kicked out and cant join
> - - cant make a normal lfg to let them join in private match. you get in squad mode.... whats up with the lfg??
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> And i heard we get 9 more of these missions? I prefer rather not.. As someone who wants to get achievements and also wants to follow the story this will be a real pain...
> I am really afraid of the next patch.
I believe the 9 missions are apart of this patch and are released every 6 days, if what I’ve been reading is true...
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Could this just be Ryland using the Persuasion sphere of magic against the Asura. Being a Champion, Ryland would also have access to that form of magic.
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> @"Slowpokeking.8720" said:
> > @"Tyson.5160" said:
> > > @"Slowpokeking.8720" said:
> > > Jormag has such a rich setup in GW2 personal story, the Norn Racial story and the Sympathy not only told a chunk about Icebrood&Sons of Svanir menace, but also connected Norn, Jotun and other races together as Jormag's foe.
> > >
> > > Including most of the Shiverpeak mountain maps have Icebrood influence. HoW is about Kodan fighting SoS.
> > >
> > > So it already got a lot of stuff setup, all they need is continue the conflict and tie the plot up along with the GW1 setup.
> > >
> > > But instead they just discard most of it and added a lot of Charr story, which shouldn't have anything to do with Jormag since it's Norn focused plus a good chance to add more about the Kodan and Jotun. If you want to tell about the Charr, Kralkatorrik should have been the dragon to do so. Even though Drakkar had shown up, it looks entirely different than the GW1 creature, the Ice Column Creature was not explained at all.
> > >
> > > Now we got Primordus added as I've expected, pretty sure the plot will be superrushed with some kitten twists.
> > >
> > I personally like what they done with the storyline for this saga. It’s interesting, rather then another repeat story of Zhaitan. Jormag wakes up, we get forces and kill it. This attempt of the Charr attempting to bend an Elder Dragon to their will, then turn around and corrupt the majority of them is a new story. Now we are having a truce with Jormag, which is another interesting twist.
> >
> > Zhaitan ( War against a dragon)
> >
> > Mordremoth (Saving our friends from a dragon)
> >
> > Kralkatorrik ( Saving an Elder Dragon/ Replacing an Elder Dragon)
> >
> > Jormag ( Stopping an army trying to enslave an Elder Dragon/ having a truce with an Elder Dragon)
> >
> > They could have just repeated the same story line over and over for each dragon, like Zhaitan, but they are mixing the plot around which keeps it interesting.
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> You can do such thing with all the previous plot as well, with a far richer setup.
Maybe, but then it would take us another 10 years to deal with the Elder Dragons.
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> @"hugo.4705" said:
> I can say the same with primordius and asura. They gonna kill it in 4 episodes and sweeping Utopia and depths of Tyria under a carpet. Gonna put some dwarves and woohoo, done. One of the biggest disapointment if so. No big threat deserves to be killed that fast. I smell it, and it stink.
I guess that’s if Primordus dies. Jormag could be the one that bites the dust.
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> @"Bast.7253" said:
> I had a random thought about the bow. In the Vision of the Past we saw all of the stone dwarves being corrupted by Primordus.
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> What if the jotun scroll was actually infused with Primordus' power, thus why it was able to harm Jormag, and it's started to slowly corrupt Braham?
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> It is weird that they made a note of it but the only other thing I can think of is his stronger bond to the spirits. Perhaps this is leading into the spirits having a much stronger tie-in to the origin of the elder dragons and his connection is allowing him to sense them?
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> I had a half-baked low effort theory about Primordus being the Spirit of Fire that went rampaging, but given that Jormag is the twin I'm not really sure what that could mean for what Jormag's part would be in this in relation to the original spirits and Koda.
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> Frankly though, I'd say we're pretty much done with the spirits at this point so I'm leaning more towards the bow theory than his connection to the spirits.
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> But yes, you could be right. The next episode is called "Power" or something isn't it? Perhaps that power is Braham, vehemently arguing against siding with Jormag, deciding to attempt negotiations with Primordus and leading down the path of becoming its champion. I just find it a little less likely because Primordus hasn't really had any build up in terms of character development or personality... He just seems like a flaming rage monster.
Perhaps Primordus absorbing the mind sphere, could allow the fire dragon to communicate, when it previously has not.
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> @"Svennis.3852" said:
> The idea of a boat voyage is fun. Skimmering all the way from central Tyria or Elona just seems... beyond bad haha. Travel by ocean/sea seems like a bad idea with a deep sea dragon on the loose, but I suppose Zhaitan was always the one really interrupting travel by ship.
At this point, we don’t know where the DSD is. We could potentially witness its minions on a boat ride.
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> @"Slowpokeking.8720" said:
> Jormag has such a rich setup in GW2 personal story, the Norn Racial story and the Sympathy not only told a chunk about Icebrood&Sons of Svanir menace, but also connected Norn, Jotun and other races together as Jormag's foe.
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> Including most of the Shiverpeak mountain maps have Icebrood influence. HoW is about Kodan fighting SoS.
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> So it already got a lot of stuff setup, all they need is continue the conflict and tie the plot up along with the GW1 setup.
>
> But instead they just discard most of it and added a lot of Charr story, which shouldn't have anything to do with Jormag since it's Norn focused plus a good chance to add more about the Kodan and Jotun. If you want to tell about the Charr, Kralkatorrik should have been the dragon to do so. Even though Drakkar had shown up, it looks entirely different than the GW1 creature, the Ice Column Creature was not explained at all.
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> Now we got Primordus added as I've expected, pretty sure the plot will be superrushed with some kitten twists.
>
I personally like what they done with the storyline for this saga. It’s interesting, rather then another repeat story of Zhaitan. Jormag wakes up, we get forces and kill it. This attempt of the Charr attempting to bend an Elder Dragon to their will, then turn around and corrupt the majority of them is a new story. Now we are having a truce with Jormag, which is another interesting twist.
Zhaitan ( War against a dragon)
Mordremoth (Saving our friends from a dragon)
Kralkatorrik ( Saving an Elder Dragon/ Replacing an Elder Dragon)
Jormag ( Stopping an army trying to enslave an Elder Dragon/ having a truce with an Elder Dragon)
They could have just repeated the same story line over and over for each dragon, like Zhaitan, but they are mixing the plot around which keeps it interesting.
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It’s also possible that Jormag gets mortally wounded at the end of Champions, uses its Mist power to transport it and the Dragon’s Watch to Cantha, where we look for a replacement for Jormag as it lays dying somewhere.
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> @"Konig Des Todes.2086" said:
> > @"Teratus.2859" said:
> > We had a whole season building up Kralkatorrik to his death, a campaign to build up and kill Zhaitan and a whole living world and expansion to build up and kill Mordremoth and mostly the same for Balthazar too.
> I would 100% disagree about Kralkatorrik. Season 4 Episode 3 had completely nothing related to Kralkatorrik, and the relation in Episode 2 was minimal - just Inquest experiments. So that would be, at absolute most in argument, basically 4 episodes focused on Kralkatorrik. Personally, I wouldn't include Episode 2 because of how bare bones the branded threat was in that - I'd be more inclined to say 3.5 episodes and 1/4th of an expansion.
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> Compared to pretty much two full episodes in Season 3, and four episodes in Seaosn 5. Kralkatorrik and Primordus are pretty on par.
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> And both Kralkatorrik and Primordus are the most animalistic. So less screentime works, especially since unlike Zhaitan, their minions don't speak. There's not much interaction to be had with Primordus and his destroyers - just voiceless killers to fight back and fight through. Not much of an interesting plot, in all honesty.
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> The interesting part of the plot will come in the allies and getting them to join, not in confronting the destroyers. Much like in Eye of the North. Because there simply will be nothing but "fight back the destroyers, don't let them kill everyone!" over and over and over again.
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> There will be no destroyer menacingly saying _"So this is the Pact Commander. I am not impressed."_ There will only be destroyers saying _"(terrifying otherworldly howl)"_
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> There just simply _cannot be_ good build-up for Primordus other than a repeat of what we got in Season 3 and Eye of the North. Unless, [_"somehow, destroyers can talk."_](
)The only Kralkatorrik related things in episode 3 was the branded griffon bounty and a small bit of dialogue from the Hylek.
“Shaman Acopa: There was a strange storm on the horizon not long ago. I wondered if Zintl was trying to tell us something...”
This was obviously when Kralkatorrik branded Jahai.
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> @"Ogwom.7940" said:
> Would like to travel there by airship, sea vessel, dredge tunnels from Shiverpeaks, or other possible ways?
> It always intrigues me if we traveled through the dredge tunnels, but I believe it would be easier for ANet to just make us travel by air like the Zephyrites did.
> Also sailing the seas might not be possible because of the Deep Sea Dragon and their minions.
Boat would be nice for a change of pace. Seems like Airship has been used a lot.
Perhaps we wouldn’t consider the DSD as a threat until maybe something happens by boat.
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> @"Konig Des Todes.2086" said:
> > @"Stephen.6312" said:
> > > @"Konig Des Todes.2086" said:
> > > ANet **(specifically, Ree Soesbee - one of the two narrative directors of ANet, making her of the highest lore figure at ANet, at the time)** had long ago established that Elder Dragons without gender in 2010. In other words, it's been long established that, biologically speaking, **ALL** Elder Dragons - even Kralkatorrik, Glint, Vlast, and Aurene - are technically an "it".
> >
> > As I have stated before, Konig, I believe that you have an over-reliance on out-of-game sources to help you comprehend in-game "facts".
> See: [Word of God](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod).
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> And for the matter, you have an over-reliance on ignoring *established facts* and denying the very writers' statements to avoid debunking your reaching fanon.
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> > This is a good thing. However, it doesn't mean that the wiki's use of the term "it", when referring to Elder Dragons, is *still* accurate.
> If it isn't, it's because the Elder Dragon associates with a pronoun, not because they have identifiable genitals.
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> > However, Aurene has penetrated aspects of the Elder Dragons' inner circle, revealing that, indeed, the Elder Dragons *might* have reproductive organs.
> There is no such revelation from Aurene becoming an Elder Dragon, and we've known since 2005 that a dragon can have children, so the fact that there are family ties does not change this.
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> > > This is likely why we hear nothing about Glint's mother, or Vlast/Aurene's father. Elder Dragons - and high dragons - **by all indication so far reproduced** in a non-standard asexual method - **without need of partners**.
> > We don't know that. We do not have enough information to make such definitive statements. Until we learn more about the reproductive methods of Elder Dragons we simply cannot rule out the possibility that they are sexually dimorphic.
> The very lack of evidence, despite going over the topic of dragon family over the past two years, is pretty strong evidence of lacking in this case.
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> > Thank you for pointing this out. Did it ever occur to you, Konig, that the nature of Elder Dragon reproduction, including the biological gender of each Elder, might've been something that the dragons didn't want mortals to know about? Perhaps for fear that mortals would use the knowledge of these things against the Elders?
> Why would the Elder Dragons, who view mortals as nothing greater than ants worth ignoring, or food, care what the mortals do or do not know about how they have children?
> You give the Elder Dragons too much credit, because it's been firmly established that the Elder Dragons are *uncaring* for mortals, mortal views, and mortal desires. Besides which, if "Elder Dragons can have children" is a fatal flaw to all Elder Dragons, then Glint, the Forgotten, and/or the Exalted would have spread that knowledge by now.
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> > @"Plagiarised.2865" said:
> > > @"Konig Des Todes.2086" said: Though I only see the later happening if they forego the whole need to have multiple replacements for the Elder Dragons (which is what will upset me).
> >
> > I see you bring this up a lot, Konig, but I still feel like they can make Aurene the sole Elder Dragon. If she circulates and shares magic rather than hoard it?
> Not without denouncing the entire purpose of Season 3, Path of Fire, and Season 4. Where it is **repeatedly** stated that the issue isn't the balance of magic. It's the balance of The All. That four Elder Dragons are needed _despite_ the remaining three Elder Dragons consuming even more magic - and that the act of an Elder Dragon consuming too much magic, in fact, unbalances The All.
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> If the matter was simply "too much magic", then Balthazar killing Primordus of Kralkatorrik and absorbing either of their magic would be no issue.
> If the matter was simply "too much magic", then killing Kralkatorrik in the Mists, even with Aurene there to absorb his magic, to reduce some magic from the system, would be no issue.
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> But both were world ending scenarios if they occurred.
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> > Taimi: (big breath) Look, we've discovered that eliminating dragons isn't the best thing for the environment...
> > Taimi: But what else were we going to do? Keep them alive and just let 'em eat us?
> > Taimi: So we destroy them and deal with the fallout, but... But what if we can't deal with the consequences anymore?
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> > Sadizi: But when two Elder Dragons were unexpectedly eliminated from the cycle at one time, we believe it created a void.
> > Sadizi: A void that caused the system to break down and the collapse to begin.
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> > Pact Commander: Kralkatorrik's even stronger and more dangerous than ever.
> > Taimi: Oh boy. That could seriously accelerate the Elder Dragon imbalance. I should run some worst-case hypotheticals right away.
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> > Aurene: Now we must ride...scion and champion. Flush Kralkatorrik...from the Mists.
> > Taimi: Right! If he dies in the Mists, that's it. His magic is gone. And so is Tyria.
>
> Ergo, while "too much magic" is an issue, it isn't _the_ issue. _The_ issue is the "Elder Dragon [im]balance."
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> > @"Psientist.6437" said:
> > I would prefer Aurene being the One over resolving everything with dragon sex.
> Wouldn't really need that since all evidence suggests they reproduce asexually.
>
> Plus, we have two fairly likely replacements (Pale Tree and Kuunavang). And if Jormag goes redemption arc, that would give us the mandatory minimum four living Elder Dragons.
Just to add Konig, I’m pretty sure the next sentence with Sadizi stated the following:
“Sadizi: The hope was that Glint's legacy would stabilize the cycle.
Sadizi: We theorize these vacancies must be filled with **entities** that circulate and share magic rather than hoard it.
Sadizi: Only then will the balance of magic truly become stable. Only then will Glint's legacy achieve its ultimate purpose.“
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> @"Bast.7253" said:
> More on the topic of Aurene, the only way I can see her being the sole carrier of that magic is if she's able to rapidly produce scions and can gift those domains and that magic to those scions. Perhaps that's her plan in the long run. And again, that could be either be torment causing her to want to have complete control over those domains and that magic or just be instinctive and presumably protective, believing that HER children are the only ones capable of doing what needs to be done.
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> And to be honest, she does look like she's roosting in a nest in Eye of the North. Probably reading more into it than I should, but it could be another reason why she's less interested in getting directly involved in the war between Jormag and Primordus. I know it's early and she just ascended, and we don't really know anything about dragon reproduction, but it wouldn't surprise me to have a reveal that she's popped out a few eggs.
I had this idea too and I’m wondering if this what happened eons ago with perhaps one Proto Elder Dragon, who gave birth to the other Elder Dragons we know now with separate domains.
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> @"Fueki.4753" said:
> Seeing all those land spears makes me feel this trailer never had any relevance to begin with.
> Also, Braham holds his mace with his left hand. Not everything in trailers is meant to be ingame, even if there are players who desire it.
This could still happen in its own story instance, similar to Fahranur, the first city. I would imagine the devs wouldn’t haven’t to add as much dev time if it wasn’t a full blown map with events etc.
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> @"Fueki.4753" said:
> I'd rather have Arenanet revert some of the changes they did with Season 1 and 2.
> Repair Fort Salma and the Fort in Timberline Falls already (just keep the broken versions for instanced missions).
> Remove the Toxic Alliance Events in Kryta and Maguuma and restore the Flora there.
> Nearly noone is doing them anyway and they just annoying by needlessly putting player sin combat and slowing them down.
> Remove all the broken machines (maybe even including the remains of Scarlet's Marionette) and the Tower of Nightmare's debris.
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> The maps were much better before that.
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I would like to think the nightmare tower remains and the marionette debris are monuments of historic events during Scarlet’s war.
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> @"Svennis.3852" said:
> > @"Sajuuk Khar.1509" said:
> > > @"Konig Des Todes.2086" said:
> > > I dunno, bringing Kuunavang and some other, unknown dragon at a point when replacements are needed feels like a decent hint.
> > Did we get actual confirmation that the other voice in the EoD trailer was a dragon?
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> I don't believe so, but the two voices are referred to as "ancient voices" on the official EoDs expansion page. A dragon seems most likely, but it could be something else.
Well one voice is Kuunavang, as the other voice, names her.
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> @"Daniel Handler.4816" said:
> > @"Konig Des Todes.2086" said:
> > Aurene replaced Kralkatorrik by consuming _Kralkatorrik's domain_. And we know thanks to Episode 2 of IBS that Jormag got a powerboost from Kralkatorrik - so we have confirmation that Aurene didn't consume all of Kralkatorrik's magic. Specifically, Jormag's powerboost includes Balthazar's magic, heavily hinting that when Aurene - to quote Descent objectives - "Sever the threads of magic" when destroying the facets (visually, she branded the facets, expelling crystal to cover them, rather than consumed them), she did **not** consume them.
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> Didn't Balthazar leak magic into the environment when he died? I'm not entirely certain what you mean by confirmation. I would imagine several of the dragons received a power boost when the ex-god was deposed, just as they did when Mordemoth's power rushed out.
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> This is not to say that could not have also happened when Kralkatorrik died. But it was far less chaotic than Balthazar/Mordremoth. I don't think we even see his body afterwards.
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It was confirmed by one of the writers that when Balthazar died, his powers were sent to the other dragons. The same is said for Kralkatorrik as proven by the dialogue from Drakkar becoming more powerful.
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> @"hugo.4705" said:
> Well mai trin escaped but we killed her and horrik in the aetherblade story dungeon. (yeah was a story before a fractal), the commander was with the inspector ellen kiel when it happened.
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> Aetherblade Retreat is a story dungeon introduced in the Sky Pirates of Tyria release. It was available from June 25 to July 9, 2013.
> "Once Mai is defeated, Horrik becomes Frenzied and now you must finish him.
> Destroy the escaping Aethership:
> Once Horrik is down, he drops a Cannon Core. If the battle was won in less than 15 minutes, players have a chance to destroy the escaping Aethership. Use the new red platforms to move over to the waiting airship and use the core on the cannon up front to destroy the airship."
Yeah we defeat Mai Trin in the fractal. The same goes for the story instance, however she is captured by the Lion Guard and eventually escapes captivity, fleeing into the mists, so she is still alive.
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> @"EdwinLi.1284" said:
> > @"hugo.4705" said:
> > Yes it is clearly the aetherblade flag. But hey, wouldn't be that surprising: Sure, mai trin and horrik are killed, but what are the chances all the other aetherblades heard about it? Whereas some of them returned to their instincts and even forgetting where they got their airships like the corsairs of Istan in the north, some other may have continued to take care of their high tech gear and roaming around with asura shooting lasers. If some successfully escaped to istan, why not cantha, or even the northern maguuma wastes, now that balthazar is gone and joko too, they can even fly to the crystal desert. I don't remember how many airships where there during the assault of LA during LS1 but they were a lot, several stationnary over LA and many in the map around launching invasions, I remember fighting them in kessex hills or gandarran. And we destroyed what, 2 in twilight arbor and Mai trin one? Not a lot compared to the fleet. Plus all that fled through the mists and can be technically everywhere.
> >
> > And you have Auris Weirdbringer, the charr of not really known origin apart that it was present in blood keep in charr homelands. And still no trace of Rift stabilizer class III, IV and V. Where he got its aetherblade armor, and why there is a thing with the number 97.
> >
> > About the bell, clearly MMXXI, 2021 in roman numbers. Year of release confirmed? Maybe spring...
> >
> > About the others things, you have "DUTY" written on the stone arch just before dragon body joining two walls section.
>
> If they bring back Cantha's Gangs in End of Dragons as important figures of Cantha's storyline, I expect the Aetherblades of Cantha have basically become a gang themselves due to being maybe the only surviving members of the Aetherblades after the death of Mai and Horrik. They maybe a shadow of what they use to be but they are still a small gang now just trying to survive in Cantha.
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Pretty sure Mai Trin escaped into the Mists just before Scarlet attacked Lions Arch. I believe it was the plot for Edge of the Mist chapter of living world season 1.
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> @"Teratus.2859" said:
> > @"Konig Des Todes.2086" said:
> > > @"Teratus.2859" said:
> Other that that Primordus always has been largely inactive, he didn't even bother trying to attack us or Balthazar when we were right there in his face.. and he went back to a pre awakening state after that event too becoming even more inactive.
>
Primordus couldn’t attack us, when Balthazar turned on the Taimi’s Machine, it put it in a paralyzed state as well as killing the destroyers.
Taimi: Whoa. Hotter down here. Is that...? That's Primordus! Right there! I've never been this close to an Elder Dragon!
: Should we be worried about it...I don't know, moving and killing us all?
Taimi: I theorized the machine would put it in a state of paralysis... Looks like I was right.
I suspect because of the timing of it all, the reason Braham and his guild were able to get so close to Jormag and surround it was because the machine would have done the same to Jormag as it did to Primordus. Which would most likely killed any Icebrood around allowing Braham and “Destiny’s Edge” to get into position and a strategic advantage.
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> @"Sajuuk Khar.1509" said:
> > @"Tyson.5160" said:
> > Definitely possible and could still leave Primordus as the first and final dragon, especially since we have been dealing with this dragon in some way shape or form since GW1, as well sprinkled in the personal story, lots of S3, little bit of PoF and IBS.
> I also think this might be the case because we didn't see any new destroyer types in the trailer.
>
> When we actually go to "fight" a dragon seriously, Anet has always expanded the enemy roster for the dragons in those arcs. The fact that we only see already existing destroyer types in the Chapter 1 trailer, and even in the "future releases" segment, suggests this whole Primrodus thing may be a distraction in the Icebrood Saga.
I think a lot of the variety of destroyers will come from the different dragon magics, I expect to eventually see crystal touched destroyers, and maybe Ice touched if it’s possible. Given that Primordus can make a vine variety, shouldn’t be an issue unless he can’t because it’s his weakness, though we did see Mordremoth using death magic, so who knows.
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> @"Sajuuk Khar.1509" said:
> > @"Tyson.5160" said:
> > I’m wondering if the outcome will be Jormag gets killed by Primordus, Primordus escapes underground again and Aurene absorbs the left over magic, however it makes her sick or causes other problems, which allows us to go to Cantha. Aurene could also give us a vision or use the eye of the north to show us Cantha as a spot where we can solve Aurene’s issue.
> I'm wondering something else. The EoD logo shows two dragons, one under water, and another above the water. I know a lot of people speculated this was Bubbles, and perhaps Kuunavang, but what if its actually Bubbles and Primordus?
>
> Jormag dies, either we kill it, or Primordus does. Primordus takes most of its power, then flies off to Cantha to kill Bubbles to take its power. So we have to go to Cantha to stop it.
Definitely possible and could still leave Primordus as the first and final dragon, especially since we have been dealing with this dragon in some way shape or form since GW1, as well sprinkled in the personal story, lots of S3, little bit of PoF and IBS.
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> @"Teratus.2859" said:
> > @"Konig Des Todes.2086" said:
> > > @"Teratus.2859" said:
> > > I'm very curious how this is going to play out too.
> > >
> > > 4 more episodes of IBS.. and now Primordus is coming in?
> > > I have to say, if episode 4 ends with the death of Primordus I am going to be seriously, seriously!! disappointed no matter how they do it.
> > > Primordus was setup all the way back in Gw1.. was teased in LW3 and has been one of the most inactive yet hyped Dragons in the game.
> > > 4 Episodes to build him up and take him down is absolutely unacceptable and I expect people are going to be mad as kitten if that happens XD
> >
> > Your statement's a bit contradictive here. You say he's been set up since Eye of the North, yet say there will only be four episodes to build him up and take him down? :tongue:
> >
> Yeah man I know, I was pretty tired when I wrote that and wasn't thinking as much as I should have been XD
>
> What I mean is, He is like thee! original big bad Elder Dragon that's been teased since Eye of the North but in Gw2 has had almost no real buildup outside of a few teaser moments in S3 (as you said) to be the big bad antagonist some people want him to be.
> We had a whole season building up Kralkatorrik to his death, a campaign to build up and kill Zhaitan and a whole living world and expansion to build up and kill Mordremoth and mostly the same for Balthazar too.
>
> Half a season.. 4 episodes, just doesn't feel like enough to do them justice.
> Primordus for some people is the one dragon they really wanted to have that big war with more than others, I think they all deserve their moment in the spotlight so I don't want any to feel rushed by killing them off too quickly.
>
> > Personally, I won't mind, in part because I predicted this outcome. Primordus will die in either Episode 8 or, if Jormag will be killed too, in Episode 7. Though I only see the later happening if they forego the whole need to have multiple replacements for the Elder Dragons (which is what will upset me).
> >
>
> I can see a scenario where those two die but I really hope they don't xD
>
> Out of all the scenarios I can think of I'm really hoping for a Primordus vs Aurine, the Commander & Jormag and the Icebrood situation.
> And im hoping it ends with Primordus and Aurine injured and Jormag very dead.. that would be a big holy kitten moment for Primordus XD
> He could then flee and tunnel his way to Cantha so he can recover from the battle and end up kittening off the sea dragon in the process triggering the events of End of Dragons where both of them and in a possible twist even Aurine too will be destroyed.
>
> But im right there with you on the whole Dragon's need replacements, if they kittencan that concept I'll be disappointed as well.
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> > Of course, I'm very doubtful that Jormag will meet their end this season. Primordus dying... I can see it. Unless we manage to put it to sleep again instead.
> >
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> I think Jormag would be the best one too kill off if any, we've had a decent buildup in the IBS so far so if any of them are primed to kick the bucket I'd say Jormag is most ready to go.
> But if they both survive i'll be fine with it, could mean a big 4 way battle in End of Dragons which would be pretty epic but I doubt they'll go down that road.
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> > But my question is the same question from the beginning of this season: how are we to deal with an Elder Dragon, without a scion to replace them?
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> With you there man, outside of Kuunavang and maybe Albax too I really don't know of any other beings that could replace an Elder Dragon.
> Maybe the Pale Tree could be another candidate but I dunno, Anet has given very little thus far to really make many theories on it.. least it's not enough for me to do so lol
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> > And to the notion of "four episodes isn't enough" - remember, Kralkatorrik got three! Season 4 Episodes 1-3 were all about Joko, and PoF was about Balthazar. Kralkatorrik's minions played cameo (to a degree), but Kralkatorrik wasn't the focus until Season 4 Episode 4. Just as Primordus' minions got cameo (via Forged Steel) and doesn't become a focus until Episode 5 of 8.
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> Technically i'd say he got 4 episodes (i'm including the brandstorm attack on Amnoon as well in Daybreak).
> But he was a constant present threat through the whole season and he did have that big face to face moment at the end of PoF too and he was tied into the PoF story with Balthazar as well so overall i'd say he had a pretty big amount of buildup before we took him down, maybe not as much as Mordremoth and not quite as single mindedly focused but still quite a bit.
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> What little we've had of Primordus has been stretched out and dripped in over a long period of time and the last time we saw anything from him he basically got reset back to factory settings lol
> Him awakening again now is kinda all new again if you know what I mean.
> It's like finally Primordus is in the spotlight!! lol
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> I really want to see this Dragon just decimate everything.. im talking brand scar like destruction as he just lays waste to everything like a living firestorm.
> He deserves that much lol
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I’m wondering if the outcome will be Jormag gets killed by Primordus, Primordus escapes underground again and Aurene absorbs the left over magic, however it makes her sick or causes other problems, which allows us to go to Cantha. Aurene could also give us a vision or use the eye of the north to show us Cantha as a spot where we can solve Aurene’s issue.
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> Considering the fact you have vine-death touched destroyers in ember bay and draconic mons, I've established that map of draconic magics release. Each radius is perimeter is established from the dead corpse of the corresponding dragon in the center.
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> It explains several things:
> -Primordy was in mordremoth magic release and zhaithan release magic, and you see on my map that draconic mons is in both circle and so is the case for ember bay.
> -It explains why I spotted death/vine destroyers in caledon forrest and rata sum: Both received also mordry and zhaity magic release after their deaths, and those magics burst surely passed through the underground as a massive magical shockwave corrupting the destroyers.
> -But, when exposed to two draconic energies in same time, the organism pick randomly one or another: That's why you have vine-touched destroyer crabs but also death-touched destroyer harpies. But you can't have as example, a vine-death touched destroyer troll.
> -Technically Jormag got 0 boosts from any dragon death. And the fact is travel through mist is non-sense, due to the magical release radius. And i prefer to believe that jormag instore a giant heavy snow and fog storm when appearing making in impossible to spot it. To explain, i prefer to think that jormag always had the mist ability, since the personnal story, savanirs are roaming in the mists and summoning portals.
> -Sbubbles and primordius (if moving to the east) would have been exposed to kralkatorrik power too, giving the possibility to create electrical storm in addition of manipulating the water or fire. But also creating mist portals.
> -BUT again, it is stated in the trailer, that the three first areas with destroyers erruptions are metrica province, brisban wildlands and gendarran fields.
> AND so, if primordius was moving toward the north since LS3 draconic mons, it has avoided kralkatorrik magic and so can't make mist portals.
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> It's interesting to note that the circle of zhaithan and mordremoth cover their domains but also their magic release after death.
> Kralky is a special turbulent snowflake, it was originally in the north-east harassing the charrs and sentinels. If, like others, it would have been killed here, Jormag would had undergone magic boost from it. Just, the circles may be a little bigger, considering there is death-destroyer in brisban sylvaris encampments at the east.
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> Also at 0:25 of the trailer I perfectly spotted the two councillors near Taimi, it's Zudo and Yahk. Dean of College of dynamics and Inquest. I feel it is appropriate, Zudo, part of a college based on pushing asura magitechnology to its best and learning from experimenting, and inquest having incredible fundings, experiments result for only studying dragon minions and their functions during 8 years now and a base everywhere. (Without adding the fact, they are the only ones who created two hybrids using draconic energies, subject Alpha and Beta).
The dead dragons magic course through the ley lines, so it explains how Jormag received the other dragon’s spheres of influence as well, however to lesser degrees, since Taimi advised that proximity matters. Primordus physically moved to some of the Ley live hot spots to absorb the magic left by Zhaitan and Mordremoth. Much like adding water to a river system. Would also explain how Jormag obtained Kralkatorrik and Balthazar’s magic as well since these energies likely made it’s way into the ley line streams, most likely in smaller doses, since Aurene and Kralkatorrik absorbed most of Balthazar’s magic, as well as when Kralkatorrik kicked the bucket as well.
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> @"Ashantara.8731" said:
> > @"Randulf.7614" said:
> > the expansion is clearly the new priority and IBS has been changed, abandoned or whatever.
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> That has been my assessment of the situation as well.
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> While I am thrilled about a new expansions, as I prefer them _by far_ to LW seasons, I was still looking forward to a fantastic snow and ice adventure season, a hope that was fueled by the Bjora Marches and their promising contents. Now I just want to be done with the IBS, to be honest, as I don't see it working out as possibly intended (I mean, breaking the snow and ice theme by re-introducing Primordus isn't my definition of a great Norn/Charr saga). :/
Didn’t everyone expect this though, with Primordus being Jormag’s weakness, as well as the Icebrood Saga logo being blue and red, as if it’s a continuation of the story started in Season 3?