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> @"Psientist.6437" said:
> Hard to imagine Aurene not noticing the death of an Elder Dragon. If the DSD is killed by Canthans, then ThatOddOne offers the best speculation; their death occurs in the future. Having the DSD be killed in the background and giving it away in a release announcement would certainly qualify as an approach to building and resolving suspense.
Perhaps Cantha learned to subjugate the DSD, maybe even recently.
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> @"Kylden Ar.3724" said:
> Well done ANet, you lie to WvW players for years about Alliances, and now you release yet another thing tied to kitten fetch quests and races that no one likes that you can't even do right because it's bugged.
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> And you want my money for more of this kitten?
Probably saving alliances for EOD. You can still complete the race if your quick enough. Was able to finish it this afternoon.
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> @"Sajuuk Khar.1509" said:
> > @"Konig Des Todes.2086" said:
> > What worries me about the expansion title and logo is that it implies that Jormag and Primordus are going to be killed in Icebrood Saga. Unless all three remaining Elder Dragons migrate to Cantha at once.
> Long live the Lich had Joko dying. Titles are misleading. Though I would assume Jormag is going to bite the dust in Icebrood Saga.
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> > @"Randulf.7614" said:
> > Well maybe one of the Gods, but that wouldn't be new unless by the "never seen in GW2" definition. They aren't mortal after all and the return of the one or more of the Gods is something some have speculated before.
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> > Otherwise, it could be this "mother" figure mentioned in that wholly bizarre end scene of Kralkatorrik
> Well we know that there is something up with Lyssa(not saying its her but if it was any of the human gods it would be her), or it could be Kralk's mom yeah.
Funny that you say Lyssa. Clearly the entity speaking is female, if we are going strictly by voice, is ancient and immortal, has ties to Cantha. It could be Lyssa speaking to Kuunavang. I noticed an awful lot of purple smoke in that trailer too, with given, how Anet threw in a lot of fire sequences in the Flashpoint trailer for Balthazar’s reveal, might be pointing to Lyssa. Lyssa being a human god does have a soft spot for humans, which could explain why “they need her”.
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> @"EdwinLi.1284" said:
> Looks like Cantha may focus on the DSD after all boys and girls!
Definitely seems that way, with a title like that.
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> @"Ashantara.8731" said:
> > @"maddoctor.2738" said:
> > It will depend on how long S5 lasts, because the expansion is a very very long time away.
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> I'd be surprised if they changed the length of this season - but then again, who knows? Perhaps there _will_ be an unusually long Icebrood Saga and thus no need of a Season 6.
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> Either way, the expansion is - as you stated correctly - a _very_ long time away since they only started working on it this year.
Do we have confirmation that they just started the next xpac this year?
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> @"Teratus.2859" said:
> > @"Tyson.5160" said:
> > > @"Teratus.2859" said:
> > > I havent seen Jormag in game yet but I watched the trailers so I knew it was going to be.
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> > > I expect there will be multiple Jormag models much like there was with Kralkatorrik and the sizes may vary in the same way.
> > > The same will likely happen with DSD and Primordus as well.
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> > > As of canon.. which is the biggest one, I'd have to say Kralkatorrik physically since he was depicted in Gw1 as a mountain range while he slept.. and in Dragonfall he spans an entire open world map in length.
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> > > DSD is to big an unknown at this point, we've got literally nothing on it to go on.
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> > > Primordus we only have the one model for and it's huge but how accurate that is... can't say.
> > > I expect it'll be shrunk down when we see the full dragon.. providing what we saw in LW3 is actually the Dragon itself, I do still hope for a twist regarding the design change and the real Primordus is much more like it's Gw1 design.
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> > > If Jormag is to be a serpent.. a Lindwurm style dragon (I hope it is) then this is my rough guess on it's overall max size.
> > > Please do ignore the obviously shoddy rush job and that I used parts of Kralk's model for a Jormag stand in, I have absolutely no artistic skills and little to no experience with any art or editing type software besides MS paint >.< I am very much aware of how much I suck at this stuff lmao.
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> > > Anyhow this is about what I expect Jormag's size/length to be, shorter but wider than Mordremoth and also with 2 front legs which I wasn't able to add on here.
> > > Oh and ignore Kralks horns too, I should have cut them off but I rushed this >.<
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> > Your diagram is probably very accurate. Would be nice to throw the Jormag model.
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> Yeah I can't wait to see the real Jormag model in there ^^ I would have done a custom one if I had the art skills to do it justice lol.
> Was still fun though, also can't wait to see Jormag in game either.
> I really like the designs I have in my mind for all 3 remaining dragons, im looking forward to seeing how accurate they are to the offical dragons.
Are you waiting for the voice acting to come in before doing episode 3 & 4?
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> @"Teratus.2859" said:
> I havent seen Jormag in game yet but I watched the trailers so I knew it was going to be.
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> I expect there will be multiple Jormag models much like there was with Kralkatorrik and the sizes may vary in the same way.
> The same will likely happen with DSD and Primordus as well.
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> As of canon.. which is the biggest one, I'd have to say Kralkatorrik physically since he was depicted in Gw1 as a mountain range while he slept.. and in Dragonfall he spans an entire open world map in length.
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> DSD is to big an unknown at this point, we've got literally nothing on it to go on.
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> Primordus we only have the one model for and it's huge but how accurate that is... can't say.
> I expect it'll be shrunk down when we see the full dragon.. providing what we saw in LW3 is actually the Dragon itself, I do still hope for a twist regarding the design change and the real Primordus is much more like it's Gw1 design.
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> If Jormag is to be a serpent.. a Lindwurm style dragon (I hope it is) then this is my rough guess on it's overall max size.
> Please do ignore the obviously shoddy rush job and that I used parts of Kralk's model for a Jormag stand in, I have absolutely no artistic skills and little to no experience with any art or editing type software besides MS paint >.< I am very much aware of how much I suck at this stuff lmao.
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> Anyhow this is about what I expect Jormag's size/length to be, shorter but wider than Mordremoth and also with 2 front legs which I wasn't able to add on here.
> Oh and ignore Kralks horns too, I should have cut them off but I rushed this >.<
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Your diagram is probably very accurate. Would be nice to throw the Jormag model.
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> @"Sarie.1630" said:
> In terms of the "next new map" rather than "next episode" I'm tempted to think back to the Saga trailer. I recall a section whereby Centaur were whipping their human slaves and wonder if, given the proximity to Drizzlewood, the next map would be somewhere north of Harathi Hinterlands. Will we get to see some Icebrood Centaur perhaps? Centaur have so far seemed to escape the clutches of all elder dragons - I wonder what their secret is.
Kralkatorrik was able to death brand some of the centaurs in Elona, perhaps a modified model with blue can be used for Icebrood centaurs.
Would be interesting if Ryland would now act as an Ambassador of Jormag to the centaur tribes to persuade them to join the Icebrood and bolster their ranks.
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> @"Konig Des Todes.2086" said:
> I haven't seen any comparison to other ED made, most likely because Jormag's model is still unfinished. that_shaman did pull Jormag's model out and compared it to the Fang of the Serpent in Hoelbrak though:
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> Given Jormag's size to the Fang of the Serpent, I believe Jormag is roughly the size of Zhaitan's original mode seen [between Kralkatorrik and Zhaitan's final model in this model comparison](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Elder_Dragons_size_comparison.png).
Yeah, thought it would be neat for a new comparison, even with the unfinished model, which, I’m sure we will see more of in the future.
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> @"Sajuuk Khar.1509" said:
> > @"Dark Red Killian.3946" said:
> > The area around eye of the north I’d like to see opened up. As for talks of Jormag fight I’m not so sure the story will take us that direction. We assume right now that Jormag is the enemy and that we have to stop it or kill it somehow, but we could be surprised that may not be the case.
> It would take a pretty big 11th hour plot twist to even begin to make me consider that keeping Jormag alive is a good idea.
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> So far Jormag has
> * Lied to Asgeir, promising to leave the Norn alone if Asgeir took them south and stopped attacking it, only to send its minions against Hoelbrak many times since
> * Corrupted the Ox, Eagle, Wolverene, and Owl, Spirits of the Wild, and has been feasting on their energy despite them obviously not wanting it
> * Used its whispers to manipulate the Vigil at Jora's Keep to kill each other, which played into Almorra's death
> * Used its whispers to manipulate the Kodan at Still Waters Speaking to go out into the tundra and die, or become its minions
> * Used its whispers to do the same to the Vigil Relief crew, causing them to wander out into the tundra and die, or just lay down in the snow and die
> * Used its whispers to psychologically attack Marjory, by using the voice of her dead sister against her
> * Had the Fraenir corrupt Raven's magic, and use said magic to attack Jora's keep in an attempt to wipe it out
> * Manipulated Bangar into starting a massive civil war among the Charr, leading to the splintering, and near destruction, of the Charr. This manipulation of Bangar also played into Almorra's death, as well as the slaughter of the Drizzlewood Coast communities of Humans, Tengu, and Norn.
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> Nothing Jormag has done this season has made it even remotely worthy to consider keeping alive.
Jormag has been a threat to Tyria, since the personal story as well sprinkled throughout the game, Season 2, Season 3.
So far in this saga, we’ve killed the Fraenir, highest ranking Svanir, killed Drakkar, killed another Claw of Jormag, as well as killed members of the Frost Legion and interrupted their plans. Once we decimate the Icebrood and the Frost Legion, I don’t really see how much more of Jormag’s forces we would really need to contend with, before taking on Jormag.
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> @"Randulf.7614" said:
> Haven't seen one. I'm guessing Jormag is going to be somewhere either in the middle or low down the scale for the Elder Dragon's. It looked quite small.
> I'm not a fan of the head model (it looks much better in the art than in the model), so it'll be interesting to see what type of Dragon it is - eg classic, serpentine etc
Given the position we view Jormag at, it might look similar to the art if we look at Jormag from more of a downward angle.
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Anyone have an updated Elder Dragon size comparison, now that Jormag has entered the roster?
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> @"Hannelore.8153" said:
> I'd just like to correct; Jormag can't enter the Mists. This was Kralkatorrik's ability, absorbed from Balthazar, which is absorbed by Aurene.
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> The Sons of Svanir have always had the ability to create Mist portals, so Jormag's minions can travel through the Mists, but this is nowhere near on the same scale as Kralkatorrik and I seriously doubt Jormag could enter the Mists itself.
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> The current Jormag has only a very tiny fraction of the power Kralkatorrik had. Its barely even awake.
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> Aurene even says "Jormag is moving *through Tyria.*"
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yes Aurene states that Jormag is travelling through the Mist as Sajuuk pointed out.
Aurene: I wish I knew. I sense Jormag moving through Tyria, taking advantage of the Mists as Kralkatorrik did.
Aurene: Yet they choose neither to consume nor destroy. Pleasant change of pace, but disturbing nonetheless.
Tom Abernathy advised that when Balthazar died the other dragon presumably obtained some of his energy too. Not to mention that Drakkar has grown in power after Zhaitan, Mordremoth and Kralkatorrik’s death and by extension, so did Jormag.
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> @"Sajuuk Khar.1509" said:
> > @"Tyson.5160" said:
> > Would have some Ascalon and Shiverpeaks areas blended together. Definitely a possibility. There was talk about episode 5 having events similar to season 1, so I wonder if it’s a voting style like with Kiel and Gnashblade, possibly the next Khan Ur to unite the remaining charr against Jormag?
> Well, they said the next release after episode 4 would be like season 1, not that episode 5 would be. Here's the thing, the first visions side update happened between episode 2 and 3, between map changes. It makes sense the next release might be a vision-like side update between episodes 4 and 5, since we are again changing maps. With a third and last visions-like update, happening between episodes 6 and 7, when we change maps for the last time.
Just given the setting of this current saga, if we don’t get to see the Blood and Ash citadel, we won’t ever get to see it. Maybe post x-pac, but I highly doubt it
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I think a lot of this way too over the top and complex, that I doubt that the writing team is writing the lore based on these advanced systems.
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> @"Sajuuk Khar.1509" said:
> > @"Tyson.5160" said:
> > Now they could have a map that breaches Charr Homelands and leads into the Shiverpeaks too, I guess, I just don’t want a map like Dragonfall, where it just pops in from nowhere.
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> > Oh I suspect Primordus will be kept for last too, however he’s the sort of enemy that they keep reminding us is there and is dipping in and out of the plot to remind everyone that this dragon is going to be a problem in the future, as well as to say, hey we have been dealing with Primordus and minions of Primordus since GW1 in one shape or another as well as periodically throughout GW2.
> I wasn't a big fan of Dragonfall either.
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> Though, as I mentioned in my original post, I think possibly setting the Jormag fight map in that area between the Black Citadel, and Thunderhead Peaks, would be nice. Its a stones throw from both the Charr and Norn capitals, and would allow for a map that contains elements of both cultures.
Would have some Ascalon and Shiverpeaks areas blended together. Definitely a possibility. There was talk about episode 5 having events similar to season 1, so I wonder if it’s a voting style like with Kiel and Gnashblade, possibly the next Khan Ur to unite the remaining charr against Jormag?
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> @"Sajuuk Khar.1509" said:
> > @"Tyson.5160" said:
> > If we they keep everything in former EOTN maps strictly, we could potentially see maybe 5/6 be back in the Charr Homelands and like possible 7/8 could be Varajar Fells/ Norrhart Domain area.
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> > I’m thinking that we might see the blood citadel and or maybe the Ash citadel could be a possible setting for 5/6 maybe because if it doesn’t show up in this saga it might ever show up in the game at all. Maybe somewhere around Sacnoth where maybe the blood citadel is, which Anet confirmed we haven’t seen and maybe go down, which may or may not lead to the Ash citadel.
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> > This might lead us into more Primordus focussed story, since Destroyers were in this area back in GW1. Jormag did require an army for something, so it could be for the destroyers/ Stone Summit. With Jormag out in the Mist, this could be their opportunity to switch gears and look at Primordus for a bit.
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> > We do also have the possibility of the Ash and Blood citadel being the setting for a vision and not actually have in shown in the actual world.
> Honestly, I would think that, what with the big Charr civil war plot being over, we wouldn't be going back into the Charr lands at all. The only really big plot point in the Charr narrative left to do is a Khan-Ur election/decision, and that seems more like a "Visions" type side update then a major chapter release.
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> We still have to deal with Owl's return, the major Spirits of the Wild almost being corrupted, and this whole thing with Braham, the prophecy, and the bow. None of which is particularly Charr lands focused that I can see right off the bat. And we would presumably get through all this before starting the big "we gotta fight Jormag" arc in episodes 7/8.
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> And while Jormag is probably gathering its army for Primordus, I don't see the story focusing too much on Primordus either beyond the recognition that "yeah, Jormag fears Primordus". Primordus's story will likely be after Xpack 3, and the Canthan LW Saga/season they attach to it. Keeping Primordus for last would make a fitting narrative parallel to the EoTN expansion for GW1, and give more time to also focus on the Asura, which haven't had their big narrative arc yet.
Now they could have a map that breaches Charr Homelands and leads into the Shiverpeaks too, I guess, I just don’t want a map like Dragonfall, where it just pops in from nowhere.
Oh I suspect Primordus will be kept for last too, however he’s the sort of enemy that they keep reminding us is there and is dipping in and out of the plot to remind everyone that this dragon is going to be a problem in the future, as well as to say, hey we have been dealing with Primordus and minions of Primordus since GW1 in one shape or another as well as periodically throughout GW2.
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> @"Sajuuk Khar.1509" said:
> There's been some suggestion, both by the devs, and by some stuff That_Shaman found, that the next release will be another side story like Visions of the Past was, and that it will expand the EoTN. If we are talking the next full chapter, Jormag's ability to go into the Mists means it could pop out anywhere in the world, making it hard to pinpoint a location.
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> That being said, I would find it really odd if we went back to Elona, or the Crystal Desert, or Orr, and the central Tyria/HoT areas really don't have room for a LWS4/Icebrood Saga sized map(with one exception which I will get to later). With Owl's return last episode, I figure we will still be in the Far North region, dealing with that bit of business, and other Spirits of the Wild/Norn stuff. That really only leaves space for us to go further into the Woodland Cascades, down into Centaur territory(which would match the trailer), or back into former Norn territory, in the big ice lake region east of Drizzlewood that was once home to Olafson's Homestead(which would be more fitting for Owl/pick up on all the Olafson lore we got in Drizzlewood). That will be episodes 5 and 6.
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> Episodes 7 and 8 will be the big Jormag fight sequence, akin to Dragon's Stand and Dragonfall. If we do go outside the Far North, they could put the big Jormag fight chapters in that area between the Black Citadel, and Thunderhead Peaks, which is really the only spot large enough in core Tyria to put another current day LW sized map. It would also be fitting for a story that focuses so much on Charr and Norn to end a stone's throw away from both the Black Citadel and Hoelbrak. If its not there then whatever space remains in the Far North makes sense as the next logical pick.
If we they keep everything in former EOTN maps strictly, we could potentially see maybe 5/6 be back in the Charr Homelands and like possible 7/8 could be Varajar Fells/ Norrhart Domain area.
I’m thinking that we might see the blood citadel and or maybe the Ash citadel could be a possible setting for 5/6 maybe because if it doesn’t show up in this saga it might ever show up in the game at all. Maybe somewhere around Sacnoth where maybe the blood citadel is, which Anet confirmed we haven’t seen and maybe go down, which may or may not lead to the Ash citadel.
This might lead us into more Primordus focussed story, since Destroyers were in this area back in GW1. Jormag did require an army for something, so it could be for the destroyers/ Stone Summit. With Jormag out in the Mist, this could be their opportunity to switch gears and look at Primordus for a bit.
We do also have the possibility of the Ash and Blood citadel being the setting for a vision and not actually have in shown in the actual world.
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> @"Khanco.1584" said:
> > @"Harak.8397" said:
> > We meet our old sparring partner in the United Legions camp and I expect that's all we're going to see on that.
> > Edit: Once you've killed them for loot, some of your old warband mates happen to leave a note behind detailing what they had been up to until they started rolling with the Bangar wagon. Most people miss it because it's among the loot chests and the next boss is already under attack across the map...
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> The addition of the sparring partner felt rather low effort to be honest, the same conversation copy pasted between all of them regardless of their own personalities. No showboating from Maverick, no dim comments from poor old Dinky
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> The journal entries were a nice touch, especially since we had nothing when they were first added as Keepers (even though they just make Luccia's dedication to the Dominion even more unbelievable), but they still don't explain why my Charr Commander just killed their own 'Bandmate for a _handful of greens_ and didn't even bat an eye. If the plot is going to drive home just how strongly Charr feel for their Warbands I'd like to see my own character act in the same way
How do charr treat warband mates that betrayal them and follow Bangar who is going after an Elder Dragon. My guess, like the game has shown, rather swiftly.
Also other races don’t have huge mentions either with their PS choices, but rather get nods, just like the mentions of humans following Kormir and Balthazar, or the Spirits of the Wild and the Norn.
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> @"Kodama.6453" said:
> > @"Sajuuk Khar.1509" said:
> > > @"Tyson.5160" said:
> > > With the prediction, that we deal with Jormag by the end of the saga, with the DSD for the xpac and Primordus for the next LW. It does not leaving a lot of room to find, explain and show the replacements, unless it’s an end of GW2 moment.
> > I personally doubt the DSD will be the focus of the expansion. More likely it will be about the Canthan Empire, the corrupt and draconian Ministry of Purity, and other such problems. Like how PoF wasn't about the dragons, it was about Balthazar. Dragons were involved, but not the main focus.
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> > And at the rate thing are going. GW2 has like 5 more years before we would reach the end of the Dragon meta-plot.
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> Possibly longer.
> There is still that thing that Kralkatorrik was saying "mother" when he died. Could possibly mean that there is a force behind the elder dragons we have to encounter in the future. Could possibly be another dragon, who is the mother of all the elder dragons, or possibly a completely different entity.
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> But I still think we might fight the deep sea dragon in the Canthan expansion.
I’m still hoping to see a new continent, like Sunrise Crest, as there is a trade route to it.
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I’ve been satisfied by all the episodes so far with the saga.
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With the prediction, that we deal with Jormag by the end of the saga, with the DSD for the xpac and Primordus for the next LW. It does not leaving a lot of room to find, explain and show the replacements, unless it’s an end of GW2 moment.
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> @"Konig Des Todes.2086" said:
> > @"Tyson.5160" said:
> > Then I guess there won’t be a replacement for Zhaitan, unless Tequatl gets cleansed like Glint...
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> Tequatl canonically dies in Season 1, as part of Rytlock's tasks for Rox in joining the Stone warband. It was gaining power at that point, and theoretically on the way to replacing Zhaitan when killed for good.
I’m not sure then, another rando undead dragon, which seems kinda silly now that I think about it.
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> @"Konig Des Todes.2086" said:
> > @"Finalfreefall.8247" said:
> > > @"Konig Des Todes.2086" said:
> > > I mean, if you generalize the plot down to the point of "found enemy, tried to fight enemy, had setback, recovered, tried to fight enemy again, succeeded" you're kinda more or less described the Hero's Journey in less words. At that level of generalization, you described _every plot with external conflict_, not just GW2's expansions.
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> > > But "entering the Maguuma Jungle with a fleet that gets wiped out, then gathering the remnants of that army with some help from locals, locating and securing a dragon egg, seeking out ancient asuran city for means to destroy the Elder Dragon, then chasing down captured allies and happening upon the Elder Dragon's lair and kills it" is _very different_ from "entering the Crystal Dragon alone, meeting a few old friends there, hunting down a rogue god, witnessing an ancient dragon's death, seeking out a god, getting ambushed and killed by rogue god who takes our baby dragon, get resurrected then tricks an army to fight for them as they enter a prepared battle against rogue god beneath the gaze of an Elder Dragon the player must save while also saving, then fighting alongside, out baby dragon".
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> > Yes. 99% there. The quibbles that I raised with the plot was that "We went after Balthazar with no real plan, died, undied, and just when we went in for round 2 Rytlock handed us his sword"." Which can be summed up as "Stupid Commander, Lucky Commander, Deus Ex Machina". The reasoning behind the army bit was aggravated sarcasm which seems to have sidetracked my point significantly and I apologize for time spent there. I do however, disagree with the Hero's Journey assessment on different grounds though, in that the arc applies to the Commander's entire team rather than the commander specifically.
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> To be fair, "winging it" is kinda what the Commander does, because the few times they _do_ make a plan, it doesn't work anyways. They didn't really make a plan for Zhaitan, or Scarlet, or Mordremoth, or Balthazar, or Kralkatorrik. Usually because whatever plan they made initially failed, or it became such a dire and immediate threat that they don't have _time_ for the plan.
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> The Commander has two core character traits:
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> * Improvisation
> * Teamwork
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> When the Commander doesn't have a team at their back, they fail. When they have a plan made up, the plan somehow gets messed up.
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> I'd not really consider this a failing in the storytelling, since it shows that the Commander is great at certain things, and kitten at other things, and that's how _everyone_ is.
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> > @"Sajuuk Khar.1509" said:
> > > @"Tyson.5160" said:
> > > If Kralkatorrik can resurrect the Shatterer, which at the end of the meta, Shatterered and use death magic to bring it back. I wonder if Aurene, who still has the death spectrum inside her to resurrect her brother, Vlast and thus give us a dragon that can has death magic spectrum. Then we replace Zhaitan.
> > The Shatterer was just an artificial lifeform Kralk made. He could re rebuilt because he was never anything but rocks and magic.
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> > Vlast, being a living entity, who exploded, is a different situation entirely.
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> To be fair though, the Crystal Dragon family are pretty much crystal ("rocks") and magic too.
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> But yeah, I doubt Aurene will be Death-Branding Glint or Vlast. Firstly because it'd probably be disrespectful, secondly because their souls are already off in the Mists and corrupting corpses != resurrection.
Then I guess there won’t be a replacement for Zhaitan, unless Tequatl gets cleansed like Glint...
Kuunavang and the Voice
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> @"Psientist.6437" said:
> I watched WP's video. He talks about Canthans rebuilding their lives on top of the Jade Sea without making the obvious connection to Kuunavang's line "they built new lives on the very thing that sought to end theirs". As Konig mentions earlier, the pipes WP describes as dragons are identical to pipes we see in GW.
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> I think we can believe the narrative lead when they say the Mysterious Voice belongs to a new character. It isn't Lyssa. I like the theory that it is Kralkatorik's mother. If we approach the overall story as Aurene's hero journey with the Commander's hero journey nested within, the Mother of Dragons is the wise mentor who sets her on the right path. If so, Aurene may be do for a big kitten up. Perhaps she convinces everyone that a replacement for Jormag is unnecessary because she is the Prismatic Elder Dragon of Light and her grandfather said she is one of a kind.
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Just like the all shown in The Machine, the centre sphere that represents Tyria, could also represent the mother dragon too