Fat Disgrace.4275

> @"Azure The Heartless.3261" said: > > @"Fueki.4753" said: > > Now Warriors have to find the next underpowered, barely viable Warrior build for people to complain about until it, too, gets nerfed out of viability. > > I keep telling people not to ~~kitten~~ share builds but _they never ~~kitten~~ listen_ > The same build that wvwers used well over a year ago??

Who the hell spams #5 anyway? Still going to use it because porting up onto ledges are life saving moments. Sb is a very expensive weapon but still 1 of the best utility weapon out there.

See it more of a buff tbh. Channaled bubble gets interrupted- 80 sec cd. Casting bubble gets interrupted, 4 sec cd. Most of the time you stand still anyway since people drop lines/fear rings on them selfs when enemy bubble is dropped

I guess too many went shadow arts for the +1 while in stealth, at least for wvw anyway. Been a few changes in Initiative usage on weapon skills lately

Pretty sure it was mandatory for both wvw and pvp regardless

> @"anduriell.6280" said: > > @"Fat Disgrace.4275" said: > > > @"kamikharzeeh.8016" said: > > Are you on na? Show me a server that has theres grps. Like I said it's only wsr and sfr that actually has them (eu) apart from that you get the odd few tagging along a zerg or skirmishing around smc > > He probably mains mesmer, understable his experience is mostly with rangers and thieves while roaming. > If he spends most of his time roaming then it's understable he will meet roaming players which most are form by thieves because of high mobility and rangers > from the new players joining. > > Yet there aren't that many thieves or rangers, logic dictates if EB has a limit of 60 players and 50 of them are in an squad with meta builds there aren't that many slots left for no-meta classes (like mesmer, ranger or thief) . Only cases you will find a bigger population of roaming classes if when servers lack the population to fill squads or lack commanders. > > I roam and defend bl mostly and rarly see any grps bigger than 3 consisting of thieves and rangers, It's always 6 person grp with 3 support and 3 dps, and guess what? None of them are thieves at all but condi revs, holos, warriors and necros It dosnt matter what class you play, that doesn't change who you face. The last time I seen a grp of 5+ thieves was well over a year ago and that was the guild system a.... [sA]

> @"kamikharzeeh.8016" said: > @"Fat Disgrace.4275" it really is reality denial of yours. every freaking server has these thief and ranger roamers en masse. the craziest kitten i saw was a 15-thief group that tried to pick off ppl from our opentags 35-40 ppl on the move. they stalked us for over an hour, trading 1 kill gained on their side for losing 10 of theirs constantly... as trashy, as annoying. > > also the poor argumentation of "mindless spamming zerg players". that shows that rather u never played in a coordinated zerg. pepega zergs are those who do it wrong. yeah, happens often enough. because of the ppl who want rather play roamerthings like ranger/thief and sleep half of the time. that's also the one that u can push with 20 players who know their classes... that is more precise targeting, doding and bombing than a roamermind would likely even be capable of noticing. guess this is what often leads to roamers raging about "mimim ganking blob on me", after he and his four friends tried to dismount and oneshot the tail of said zerg. > > every freaking matchup has a ton of thieves and rangers by now, bc overall dmg got hard nerfs, so they get hit less hard but still have the best mobility and fastest attacks. > then we have another alien scientiest here like @"DeathPanel.8362" who really says "I've never gotten dismounted ever from a rapid fire when at full health."... solid joke at least. the warkitty dies from like three herald hammer 1's. thief and ranger can put like ten times the dmg of that within the same time. i had a deadeye today shooting me from warclaw to zero with literally one hit on a not-even full zerker ele. (marauder bc normally u have time alike to active your stunblocks/evades etc) > __ > outside of that... ofc there are no all-thief-squads normally. because it makes no sense. their thing is to gank only. they won't fight on even numbers, rather hit-run-port-permaevade-stealth. that isn't groupplay per se, since they don't get any commands usually bc they're never interested in that. thieves would be technically the best scouts, just u don't see ever more than portaling, roaming, ganking or dueling of them. > > and imo warkitty only benefits these classes. saw enough thief-ranger things that just outrun/teleport far faster than warclaw moves, and their attack speed forces u to predict their attack, which is silly since they are extremly fast attackers. Are you on na? Show me a server that has theres grps. Like I said it's only wsr and sfr that actually has them (eu) apart from that you get the odd few tagging along a zerg or skirmishing around smc

> @"KrHome.1920" said: > > @"Fat Disgrace.4275" said: > > Funny you say this epidemic considering neither are meta and really have no space in a zerg so the only thing left is to roam/gank. > > > > What about the mindless necros/revs/engines in zergs spamming a few skills here and there? > That's reality denial. > > This isn't 2012 anymore. Times have changed. Population issues and bandwagoning result in lots of servers doing smallscale fights 80% of the week. So it's 80% prime time for thieves and rangers. It really isn't. It's only servers like wsr/sfr and maybe gandara that actually has a grp of thives and they mostly play around smc. Since the link ups starter we can say that nearly everyone has faced each other now and in some cases actually link with every other server and in that 2 year (is it 2 years now?) I once not seen dedicated thief/ranger grp, there are far better small scales classes to have team fights with.

Funny you say this epidemic considering neither are meta and really have no space in a zerg so the only thing left is to roam/gank. What about the mindless necros/revs/engines in zergs spamming a few skills here and there?

> @"Blockhead Magee.3092" said: > Wasn't it last year that they didn't do new links after Thanksgiving (US) until the start of the new year? yeah but they at least announced it. so far i see 3 servers that have not changed in link ups.

> @"Dawdler.8521" said: > *Did you mean skirts?* What? Nono, butt capes

Only if us norns can wear womans knickers and pretend they are speedos.

> @"noiwk.2760" said: > > @"Fat Disgrace.4275" said: > > > @"noiwk.2760" said: > > > sorry but i think thieves are all over the place.. .DD is just insanely strong with stupid high mobility and crazy burst ! > > > not to mention stealth is a cancer .. > > > snipers are so annoying in small roaming.. aswell altho i think deadeye is a useless class that need to be reworked. > > > yeah well.. sorry but thief need a nerf if anything.. stealth need a drawback > > > > Cant remember the last time I have seen a thief do "crazy busrt" 80% of thieves are shadow arts daredevil and even min/maxing gear and 25 bloodlust I rarely see numbers over 7k back stack with the avg 5-6. Pretty sure pre Feb patch that same hit would be around 9k+ > > while the numbers in 1 hit might not be so high shadow arts daredevil in my opinion are broken op.. > and they can do many quick attacks and burst you down fairly quickly.. burst doesnt mean a single line with high number.. but doing high damage quick. > shadow arts daredevil are good at this ! also ive seen some thieves doing nearly 20k crits not sure if it was staff or whatever.. Meh, that's just d/p... thief by default, stay around for too long and the fight turns the other way which is why most thieves run away from a losing fight lol. Shadow arts it self dosnt really make them quicker at anything really, you could argue that they can get quicker stealth access via heal and steal trait. Also to partly blame is runes and trait that give health so a lot of people are going full zerker stats (add some valk/berseker trinkets) which would give them 11k health then they add runes like vampirism and marauders resistance and you should be back up to 16k health or above. Daredevil and shadow arts, especially combined is a busted set of trait lines. Cant imagine 20k in today's wvw, may be with 7 malice stacks and assassins signet de? I know vaults can still land up to 14k giving the right scenario.

> @"noiwk.2760" said: > sorry but i think thieves are all over the place.. .DD is just insanely strong with stupid high mobility and crazy burst ! > not to mention stealth is a cancer .. > snipers are so annoying in small roaming.. aswell altho i think deadeye is a useless class that need to be reworked. > yeah well.. sorry but thief need a nerf if anything.. stealth need a drawback Cant remember the last time I have seen a thief do "crazy busrt" 80% of thieves are shadow arts daredevil and even min/maxing gear and 25 bloodlust I rarely see numbers over 7k back stack with the avg 5-6. Pretty sure pre Feb patch that same hit would be around 9k+

Ok, nerf dash to normal dodge range

I dunno, it has 2 charges and even if it had 1, it's still on a lesser cool down.

> @"kash.9213" said: > > @"Vlad Morbius.1759" said: > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > Get a thief in your own group and stop complaining. They have Obv the same amount of mobi and can chase the thief off annoying your "blob". If yall continue to only rely on having guards/revs/eles/warris in your group then its on you. If you complain about that One thief singling out straggler,maybe get a thief on your own insted of asking for nerfs. > > > > > > You also have a throwable stealth trap + another stealthtrap avaiable Ontop of the normal counter reveals,aoe spamm and projectiles that follow through stealth and being able to rotate 100% projectile destroy/reflect. You people dont want a "counter",you want More counter because you lack the ability to deal with them with what you have available already. > > > > > > In other words,youre only as good as the amount of people you have behind you. > > > > As a roamer everything you've just said means little. I don't play in zergs, that's where people who don't know how to pvp or WvW roam go to hide their shame! As far as playing a thief, thanks but i don't do chicken kitten builds either so try again. Either way nothing is balanced properly if you need to carry traps in order to engage or to fight. Like i said at the beginning thief isn't the only problem invisibility and how it paired to other skills is what makes it OP and the skill itself is becoming too common in class builds, so that is the really problem. > > No one should need traps. He suggested You may find them useful, against chicken kitten builds. I have seen a shadow arts d/p thief drop a stealth trap vs another shadow arts d/p theif once. Such honor

> @"Burnfall.9573" said: > > @"ShadowCatz.8437" said: > > > @"abelsgmx.7530" said: > > > That pull can pull through doors > > > > Why are you waking up a two year old thread? There have been a lot of patches since 2018. > > As a Mesmer Profession main, this thread deserves to be awaken because it has not been resolved, In fact, it has worsen and has contributed by other by Professions. Pulling need to be removed from all of the Professions including Thief Profession, Guardian-Dragon Hunter, Engineer Profession because it is Toxic > > Being pulled around, pulled through walls, through objects, thrown up in the air like a yo-yo and falling in the ground in Instant Death should not be Allowed not be Tolerated because it doesn't give fair reaction to the opponent player > > For the health of the player experience, i asked that Pulling mechanics to be removed from all Professions > > It's because mesmer is a toxic class with toxic design, right?

> @"Kuma.1503" said: > Mesmers can freely interrupt plasma now. Idk That does it. Thief nerfed to the ground now

Are people that bored so they dig up 1+ year old thread?

Be quiet .

> @"kash.9213" said: > > @"Hannelore.8153" said: > > I run Diviner's gear with Pack runes, since its the only set that gives you good criticals without losing Power. > > > > But someone might ask "Why Boon Duration in WvW?", because Thief is one of the few classes who benefit from it there, since its really hard for enemies to steal, corrupt or otherwise remove boons while you're in stealth. > > Plus some boon steal sources take the whole stack like Larcenous Strike and Rending Shade which is nice with better duration, especially with bonus damage per a boon on Premeditation trait. Not much reason to steal much though since you have to use them while they're up but it's nice if you need to load up on resistance, protection, whatever to stealth up real quick and scramble out of a zerg and their circles. Asked a few people about boon duration builds and they all say it seems a waste of stats. Not really tried boon duration build in a long time now

Too many troll posts theres days.

I laughed pretty hard once when I found a holo who was afk, (before the nerf to passive invul trait) by the time he died he had 18 stacks of might!!! Prot regen swiftness all just being afk.

Why was this necrod ?