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Was there a reason that you had to make a separate thread to the one already put out this past few days.. hopefully the mods will either merge or close this. Filling the forums with the same "please ANET give us Cyrillyc", isn't really the way to go imo.
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> @"Astralporing.1957" said:
> > @"FrizzFreston.5290" said:
> > Considering we can have a whole discussion on one character and how we like/dislike his place in the story and seeing how diverse the opinions are...
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> > I would say Braham is a pretty good character.
> I heard that argument used about Scarlet as well. Didn't make her a good villain.
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Aside from Joko, I personally consider Scarlet to be our best foe yet.
Such a shame we can't go back and play out LS1, I enjoyed it a heck of a lot.
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> @"Caedmon.6798" said:
> > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said:
> > Yep installed last night... it was an optional patch as you say.
> > Played a while aftercwithout issue accept for some very noticeable FPS spiking, something I have never really had an issue with before ... jumping from 90+ FPS to < 30 FPS in a heart beat even in non character heavy non particle effect areas across many maps... even noticeable when pushing settings down low and updating Nvidia driver and settings.... definitely something changed and not in a good way I think.
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> I'm not noticing the fps drops you currently have,my game seems to run as it always ran. Although i'm not running around in pve tbh,i havent done the new maps either so i have no idea about the performance on those maps. I'm mostly in wvw only. Maybe try switching some graphics down till you notice whats dropping your fps ? Or reset it by removing local.dat from your roaming folder.
Tbh it's every map not just the crowded new map..... Yep been playing with all settings... nothing makes a difference and weird cos GPU is only getting high for about 30% loading and cpu load around 40% so it's not throttling causing it my end. I mean I normally run around with 90+ FPS most places and only a heavy reset night 3-way in SM causes any significant issues, but even then I see a reasonable 40ish FPS and WvW is well documented for that issue.
Oh well... maybe the Win 10 patch and the latest Nvidia driver need time to be bedded in and some optimisation with GW2 done.
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> @"Lauren.2968" said:
> > @"Inculpatus cedo.9234" said:
> > You might find this thread enlightening (Dev responses): https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/307741/#Comment_307741
> > I believe it references the same video.
> >
> > Good luck.
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> This topic (and dev response) was more about full translation. OK, i can understand, that translation of game its too much and not cost-effective at the moment. But we asking about Cyrillic, at least in guild chat and party. Its trivial feature in terms of implementation and the same time really essential.
As I said.. it may seem trivial, but maybe its a triffle more work than we think and potentially not cost effective.
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> @"yann.1946" said:
> > @"ScyeRynn.4218" said:
> > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said:
> > > > @"ScyeRynn.4218" said:
> > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said:
> > > > > > @"ScyeRynn.4218" said:
> > > > > > > @"Palador.2170" said:
> > > > > > > Let's be clear, I don't like Braham. For a long time, I've wanted him dropped from the story. And him getting drunk in the current story? Yeah, he pretty much ignored the reminder that he was representing our group there.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But... he did have someone TRYING to get him drunk, so maybe that's not entirely his fault. And for the upcoming story, if we're going to learn something about the Spirits of the Wild, it may be best to have an immature norn with us. This way the player (and the commander, if need be) can learn about the spirits while Braham is getting lectured by wiser norn. It might give him a chance to grow up some, too.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's completely irrelevant who or what caused him to be drunk. The point is that it's being used as a way to further their agenda with Braham as a caricature and not a character. This placeholder journey with Braham has been going on with his character for a long time now and it's unfortunate to see a character that started with so much potential reduced to an empty gimmick.
> > > > >
> > > > > No they are furthering the agenda of the story.. or are you missing the fact he was being prompted to drink more, fight and.. loosing the heirloom of his family , to which end we do not yet know other than the leader of this Charr dragonhunt now holds it with the instigator apparent by his side.
> > > > > I think your trying to read far too much into the Braham character at this stage of what is just the prologue.
> > > > > I see this as a way for Braham to open up the Norn part of this story and for him to begin maturing into a more solid, focused member of the group, at least I hope for that.
> > > > > I think we get it, you don't like the character or the personality that has been written into him thus far, but your missing the point somewhat in that Braham at a young age has had to deal with some pretty tough stuff that even those of greater years and maturity would also find hard to deal with.. this may be his chance to grow as a player in this story, this game.
> > > >
> > > > What I was calling "irrelevant" was the need to clarify Braham being drunk or who got him drunk in regards to what my thread is about. I know why Braham was drunk and what it accomplished for their plot. The point is about his slurred speech being intended for comedic intentions. You can have the same plot play out without the overuse of comedy through a character that has already had enough comedy forced on him, for the purpose of one of the agendas of the writers.
> > >
> > > Have you ever been drunk or tried to converse with someone that is.. it can be kind of funny at times, but it can also be quite a powerful truth serum I guess for many of us.
> > > I mean less we forget this was a celebration and some take that as a green light to let their hair down and have some fun, drink too much eat the pantry out of food and yeah do stupid things.. I know a few adults who have done that more times than I can throw a stick at. Add to that Norn are kind of stereotyped into that big brawling moot lovers, equally at home with an oversized weapon in their hand and talking tough or having a Steiner of ale fixed to their mouths slurring dumb talk to whoever about whatever.. but yes it was used to further the narrative of the wider story arc that is at play.
> > > So I still do not see why you have such a problem with it, what is the harm, it served a purpose and I think it was executed reasonably well and for me at least it finally made me feel Braham might just be redeemable as a character.
> > > Try to enjoy (or not) the story and its writings for what it actually is, not what you think it should be from your own self perceived expertise.
> >
> > There is no need to further excuse that scene. There never was. The point, again, is that it's Braham. AGAIN. "Ka-Braham!" -- "I have hair!" -- "You know why they call me Eirsson? Because I'm Eir's son." Hilarious. Braham was a stoic, noble, reasonably intelligent character starting out. Now he's shooting Jormag's tooth, being a bratty child to the Commander, and trying to fit in those absolutely ingenious one-liners wherever he can.
> >
> > Those who want and know something can be better (or at least not awful) don't just eat-up whatever is put in front of them. Creators and designers aren't asking for feedback and opinions because they don't care about what we would like. We point out and they ask because we both want the best for the game. The kind of players you suggest are the kind that don't have credibility in such topics as these, nor do they have any type of argument worth engaging, except for me to point out what I just have.
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> > If you're happy with the game and have nothing to add other than, "It's fine. Just accept it.", then there is nothing left for us to discuss.
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> You do realise that the eirson comment is one of the deepest parts of his character. The desire to get out of his mother's shadow.
Or maybe one of his deepest conflicts… the desire to get out of his mothers shadow, but to also live up to the reputation that precedes him - something we each may have struggled with at one time or another in our lives, which is why I think the writing around Braham's' character and his personality may well be provoking different opinions.
As I have said previous, I hope this will lead to Braham finally breaking free of some, if not all of those obvious flaws that for me at least have seemingly continued to shackle him from having a greater impression on the story.
At the very least this has opened up some interesting debate considering the level of the negativity that had been drawn up leading to the SAGA's prologue going live.
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> @"Astralporing.1957" said:
> > @"Adiabatik.6714" said:
> > H(is/er) treatment of Caith was peculiarly appealing. Calling a friend traitor and going so far as making death threats?! When it was always obvious that their goals were the same (keeping the egg safe).
> Was it obvious? Not to me. What was obvious to me, however, was that Caithe had absolutely zero trust in her "friends" when she went rogue. As such, why exactly should we have trust in her now, and not expect her to try to backstab us next time she decides her goals require it?
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> > @"Adiabatik.6714" said:
> > Personally, I liked that scene. So far, Braham seems to be the only character to have a day to day life.
> > In fact, having a day to day life should be the default for any character, and the crisis situation the exception.
> > The usual goofball suddenly becoming deadly serious is often a good indication that kitten hit the fan, and is in no way character derailment.
> When Braham becomes deadly serious, it is not an indication that kitten hit the fan. It is a sign he's going to _embarass himself_. Again.
Agree, it wasn't obvious to me at that point, but it did provoke thought as to could they be heading for the same thing only in ways that were always going to see them collide head on.
Even as far back as LS1 I felt Braham was the somebody who acts on impulse, passion and jumps straight in without much deliberation, whether good intentioned or not. As for the constant self embarrassment, yep I too grant that has been the course this character has been set on as he struggles to find the right path for the right reasons and many times it has made me cringe, which is why I share the view that I would not miss Braham if he should suddenly be swept up and swallowed whole by any number of foes we have encountered to date or are about to.
But maybe, just maybe there was method behind the narrative that has over time brought us to this new Saga.. I will reserved judgement for the moment, because I actually enjoyed this particular Braham increment within the Prologue and hope it sets the scene for something much more uplifting for both his character and his personality.
IF NOT THEN PLEASE ANET.. I WANNA BE THE ONE TO PUSH THE POINTY THING IN! :)
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I got a ticket response advising they are aware of the issue and looking into it, but no idea on ETA so maybe wait a whiles or if you can't then trust in luck :)
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> @"WizarXD.9602" said:
> > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said:
> > > @"WizarXD.9602" said:
> > > We demand an answer!
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> > Pretty sure they have already answered this request previously.
> > It likely does not offer a viable financial return on the time and costs associated to bringing this to fruition.
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> > Could they utilise a some kind of 3rd party or player driven alternative, most likely , but that could risk opening a can of worms they just don't want to have to then jump in and sort out.
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> > Does it suck - yeah I guess it does for those affected
> > Does it make sense from a business perspective - Unfortunately yes it does also.
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> That's understandable. But sit on place and silenced, we, too, already not can. We do not ask for the translation of the whole game, we ask to add at least Cyrillic. At least in Guild Chat.
I hear ya, but it is what it is.. and likely to be even more unlikely to happen since loosing many faces at the company this past year , major reshuffling and a busy LS schedule to keep to following a fairly long dry spot across many facets of the game. Even just adding support for Cyrillic is likely a little more complicated than many of us realise.
As I said it definitely sucks, but it just doesn't line up with current priorities I guess from a business perspective.
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> @"WizarXD.9602" said:
> We demand an answer!
Pretty sure they have already answered this request previously.
It likely does not offer a viable financial return on the time and costs associated to bringing this to fruition.
Could they utilise a some kind of 3rd party or player driven alternative, most likely , but that could risk opening a can of worms they just don't want to have to then jump in and sort out.
Does it suck - yeah I guess it does for those affected
Does it make sense from a business perspective - Unfortunately yes it does also.
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Yep installed last night... it was an optional patch as you say.
Played a while aftercwithout issue accept for some very noticeable FPS spiking, something I have never really had an issue with before ... jumping from 90+ FPS to < 30 FPS in a heart beat even in non character heavy non particle effect areas across many maps... even noticeable when pushing settings down low and updating Nvidia driver and settings.... definitely something changed and not in a good way I think.
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> @"knite.1542" said:
> Hoping and Soon.
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> Buckle in everyone. This is going to be a long ride.
Well.. my old pitchfork is blunt and all my torches are extinguished... no point keep sharpening the tips or burning more sticks for the global warming strikeforces to cry foul over, so just gunna have to play some more Simon & Garfunkel hits a whiles - hmm Bridge over Troubled Water it is :)
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> @"Inculpatus cedo.9234" said:
> > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said:
> > > @"Inculpatus cedo.9234" said:
> > > No, ArenaNet does not supply unauthorized retailers. If they did, then they would honor the codes when something goes wonky. They don't.
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> > Just because some retailers are not on that arbitrary list doesn't mean it's going to be a wonky deal.
> > If you get a fake code or a used code then sure it's not Anets fault and don't expect them to honour the purchase, but don't tarnish every supplier outside of "THE" list with that same brush... I have never had any issues over many years that's for sure when using 3rd party marketplace sellers. In fact I would hazard a guess some of those sellers could perhaps be the same as those on the list just trying to use as wide a set of online tools as they can to profit.
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> Not sure how you got that from my answer to "ArenaNet supplies _unauthorized retailers_".
> Sure, you can get a legitimate code there; but, should you have an issue, ArenaNet won't make it good. And that's how we know ArenaNet doesn't supply those unauthorized retailers.
Actually your right ... I just got home and reread your post and my reply.. I guess I read something that was there :(
1000 Apologies Inc
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> @"Caedmon.6798" said:
> > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said:
> > OP ... it's kinda funny I was having this very conversation only last night with a guild mate.
> > We are often wondering why we keep having to remit things likecUi sound, music, environment sounds as they either go loud or very quiet and yesterday was starting to get infuriating.
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> > @"Inculpatus cedo.9234" " thanks for the link I will take a look at that.
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> > EDIT - yep Inc that sounds a familiar issue and hopefully it won't be too long for MS to get their act together with a revised patch. +1
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> They released a new patch yesterday and it states the issue is fixed,i don't use surround myself so i can't check if it works.
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> September 26, 2019—KB4517211 (OS Build 18362.387)
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4517211/windows-10-update-kb4517211
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> "Updates an issue that causes audio in certain games to be quieter or different than expected. "
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Not seen that update land yet... I will go take a look a see if it is indeed fixed my particular issue
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OP ... it's kinda funny I was having this very conversation only last night with a guild mate.
We are often wondering why we keep having to remit things likecUi sound, music, environment sounds as they either go loud or very quiet and yesterday was starting to get infuriating.
@"Inculpatus cedo.9234" " thanks for the link I will take a look at that.
EDIT - yep Inc that sounds a familiar issue and hopefully it won't be too long for MS to get their act together with a revised patch. +1
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> @"Inculpatus cedo.9234" said:
> No, ArenaNet does not supply unauthorized retailers. If they did, then they would honor the codes when something goes wonky. They don't.
Just because some retailers are not on that arbitrary list doesn't mean it's going to be a wonky deal.
If you get a fake code or a used code then sure it's not Anets fault and don't expect them to honour the purchase, but don't tarnish every supplier outside of "THE" list with that same brush... I have never had any issues over many years that's for sure when using 3rd party marketplace sellers. In fact I would hazard a guess some of those sellers could perhaps be the same as those on the list just trying to use as wide a set of online tools as they can to profit.
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> @"ProtoGunner.4953" said:
> > @"DaveyC.4398" said:
> > > @"ProtoGunner.4953" said:
> > > Use a credit card. If you have to pay in foreign currency, use a Revolut CC.
> >
> > That does not answer the question either.
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> Yes, but what do you expect? People don't know why they are getting more expensive on third party sites. So that's why I jumped directly to the conclusion: use a CC. It's so much more convenient.
And again you miss the OP's point.
Using a CC does not change the price of the gem card... in fact in many cases it actually makes it worse as you get slapped with a small additional charge by the online provider more often than not.
OP... sites like G2A or similar are merely the marketplace, the sellers who sell the gem cards set their prices. I have also seen a sharp rises in 2000 gem cards to the point it makes no sense to buy them except via the gem store now.
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> @"ScyeRynn.4218" said:
> > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said:
> > > @"ScyeRynn.4218" said:
> > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said:
> > > > > @"ScyeRynn.4218" said:
> > > > > > @"Palador.2170" said:
> > > > > > Let's be clear, I don't like Braham. For a long time, I've wanted him dropped from the story. And him getting drunk in the current story? Yeah, he pretty much ignored the reminder that he was representing our group there.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But... he did have someone TRYING to get him drunk, so maybe that's not entirely his fault. And for the upcoming story, if we're going to learn something about the Spirits of the Wild, it may be best to have an immature norn with us. This way the player (and the commander, if need be) can learn about the spirits while Braham is getting lectured by wiser norn. It might give him a chance to grow up some, too.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's completely irrelevant who or what caused him to be drunk. The point is that it's being used as a way to further their agenda with Braham as a caricature and not a character. This placeholder journey with Braham has been going on with his character for a long time now and it's unfortunate to see a character that started with so much potential reduced to an empty gimmick.
> > > >
> > > > No they are furthering the agenda of the story.. or are you missing the fact he was being prompted to drink more, fight and.. loosing the heirloom of his family , to which end we do not yet know other than the leader of this Charr dragonhunt now holds it with the instigator apparent by his side.
> > > > I think your trying to read far too much into the Braham character at this stage of what is just the prologue.
> > > > I see this as a way for Braham to open up the Norn part of this story and for him to begin maturing into a more solid, focused member of the group, at least I hope for that.
> > > > I think we get it, you don't like the character or the personality that has been written into him thus far, but your missing the point somewhat in that Braham at a young age has had to deal with some pretty tough stuff that even those of greater years and maturity would also find hard to deal with.. this may be his chance to grow as a player in this story, this game.
> > >
> > > What I was calling "irrelevant" was the need to clarify Braham being drunk or who got him drunk in regards to what my thread is about. I know why Braham was drunk and what it accomplished for their plot. The point is about his slurred speech being intended for comedic intentions. You can have the same plot play out without the overuse of comedy through a character that has already had enough comedy forced on him, for the purpose of one of the agendas of the writers.
> >
> > Have you ever been drunk or tried to converse with someone that is.. it can be kind of funny at times, but it can also be quite a powerful truth serum I guess for many of us.
> > I mean less we forget this was a celebration and some take that as a green light to let their hair down and have some fun, drink too much eat the pantry out of food and yeah do stupid things.. I know a few adults who have done that more times than I can throw a stick at. Add to that Norn are kind of stereotyped into that big brawling moot lovers, equally at home with an oversized weapon in their hand and talking tough or having a Steiner of ale fixed to their mouths slurring dumb talk to whoever about whatever.. but yes it was used to further the narrative of the wider story arc that is at play.
> > So I still do not see why you have such a problem with it, what is the harm, it served a purpose and I think it was executed reasonably well and for me at least it finally made me feel Braham might just be redeemable as a character.
> > Try to enjoy (or not) the story and its writings for what it actually is, not what you think it should be from your own self perceived expertise.
>
> There is no need to further excuse that scene. There never was. The point, again, is that it's Braham. AGAIN. "Ka-Braham!" -- "I have hair!" -- "You know why they call me Eirsson? Because I'm Eir's son." Hilarious. Braham was a stoic, noble, reasonably intelligent character starting out. Now he's shooting Jormag's tooth, being a bratty child to the Commander, and trying to fit in those absolutely ingenious one-liners wherever he can.
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> Those who want and know something can be better (or at least not awful) don't just eat-up whatever is put in front of them. Creators and designers aren't asking for feedback and opinions because they don't care about what we would like. We point out and they ask because we both want the best for the game. The kind of players you suggest are the kind that don't have credibility in such topics as these, nor do they have any type of argument worth engaging, except for me to point out what I just have.
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> If you're happy with the game and have nothing to add other than, "It's fine. Just accept it.", then there is nothing left for us to discuss.
You keep saying there's nothing to discuss but here you are again getting all angsty with someone who chooses not to fall in line with your own "I want so it must be" attitude. The worst part is that your ranting and attacks on posters throughout this thread actually make you look less than credible more someone who can't handle the fact others can enjoy content for what it is rather than what you want it to be.
Bottom line your making a mountain out of a mole hill.
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> @"Astralporing.1957" said:
> > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said:
> > Or are we all just trying to read way more into some small detail in what is only the prologue of a new LS chapter... errmm SAGA.
> Don;t consider this chapter alone. Think about how he is being presented _since he first appeared in LS1_. I mean, even when they show us his "norn" sides, it is being done in such a way that those traits are exagerrated and ridiculed. He is fearless? That's not because he's brave - it's because he's stupid. He is proud? Nope, just stubborn (and, again, stupid). He rises to the challenge? that was just goading, and he is so easy to goad. Like a Norn, he drinks a lot? Maybe, but he's a lightweight and can't hold the liquor. His whole presentation since the first year of the game is overwhelmingly negative.
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> When Anet uses most other characters to move the story along, they do it in such a way, that those characters for the most part, at the very least don't look worse for it. In case of Braham, he _always_ does.
>
I think many of us already commented on how we feel Braham is portrayed through his whole time within the story not just this particular instalment... it's just this time he is the character that has been utilised to forward a particularly important piece of the narrative, which we do not see unveiled until the last cut scenes
As for his traits... yes he tries to be brave and indeed comes across as foolish... didn't we all do something's similar when we were young and impetuous, jumping in without thinking, trying to be something more than we just aren't ready to be.
Pride and stubbornes kinda work hand in hand especially in someone so obviously feeling pressured to walk in more famous shoes whilst striving to find their own place in the big wide world
As for being goaded... of course he was, and now the final cutscenes have revealed the plot a little more clearly, for me at least it seems perfectable acceptable for ANET to of used and impressed upon those stereotypical Norn traits.
Could this of been done differently... sure
Would it of been any better to go about it differently.... who can tell
Has this encouraged players to discuss the writing and the Braham character more deeply than just we love or hate him ... yep and thats not a bad thing imo.
It also highlights just how we as players can see things differently, even when the subject matter is purely fictional and limited in scope.
Would the story be any better with or without Braham... again who knows, it's not a perfect story for more reasons than just Brahams often infuriating character flawes... but what makes it perfect is kinda down to how we as individuals choose to make it no matter if it was written by a primary school student or a Tolkien esc literary master.
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> @"Astralporing.1957" said:
> > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said:
> > There is nothing to understand, there is no right or wrong, it is nothing to do with thinking as a human other than I am one (at least me ole ma said so).. it is just another example of people being different in how they handle things, how they progress or digress.. why should they be written to act the same way when in real life that doesn't happen, no matter what race, sex, colour or creed you are.
> > Just because he is Norn doesn't mean anything other than there are some very stereotypical things we associate with that race and they kinda used them in this particular piece of the story arc to help further its narrative.
> Sigh...
> That's one of my points - if there are any stereotypes we associate with Norns, Anet _didn't_ use them with Braham. In order to "help further the arc's narrative", they tried to make Braham as far from being Norn as it is possible. Well, they did use _one_ stereotype - "norns like to drink" - but it was used only in an extremely negative way.
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> There's a reason why from the very first moment he appeared in GW2, back in LS1, people were asking if Borje the Sun Chaser is really his father, and whether he is half-human by any chance (no matter how much Anet kept insisting that mixed race children simply do not exist).
>
See, I see alot more than "the Norn is drunk" thing.. I see charr trying to take advantage of those Norn stereotypes.. the love of ale, the pride "Is that a challenge" and then the fisty cuffs... all used to play into the distraction for Ryland to steal the bow.... seems about fitting for a young inexperienced Norn who is still trying to find his way in the world. The use of drunken banter is nothing more than that or maybe ANET have opened a little bit of Braham up, maybe being drunk has allowed some of that truth serum to bring out a bit of Braham that he has been struggling to come to terms with... is that not unlike what many people go through growing up even after reaching adulthood.
Or are we all just trying to read way more into some small detail in what is only the prologue of a new LS chapter... errmm SAGA.
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OP.. I used to wonder why Charr never got WB either.... especially considering the richness of the history/story behind them and the humans... I mean we have the crypt we have some story fight at the beginning which delves into that history, but sadly all we got really was a few ghosties here and there to cull if wehappen to do so.
One of the reasons I tend not to visit PoA very often even when choosing to roll a new Charr, I tend to port elsewhere straight after the initial story point... the map offers very little compared to the other races starter maps, to me at least.
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> @"KidRoleplay.3615" said:
> A giant, hopping, cape-wearing, flute-wielding ghostly Gwen who sets everyone on fire! Spontaneous combustion!
>
> ... Okay, I've got nothing.
You seriously owe me a coffee I just wasted the one I bought!!
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> @"Astralporing.1957" said:
> > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said:
> > > @"Astralporing.1957" said:
> > > > @"Reverielle.3972" said:
> > > > > @"Brycar.2651" said:
> > > > > I like Braham and looking forward to his big story.
> > > > Likewise, and I'm glad to see some others do too.
> > > >
> > > > I also read a lot of comments on Braham that make me think a lot of players just treat him as a 'human' both personality and culture-wise. But he's norn, a were-creature, and there are very big differences in both those areas. He has various classical norn-traits that many seem to take the wrong way, which is totally understandable when looking from a human perspective.
> > > Actually, for me it's exactly the opposite. What i find problematic is him acting like a human (and a pathetic one, to boot), not a Norn. I mean, i know that the epic Norn of GW1 were already changed into gw2 into caricatures, coming off as more funny and comedic than serious, dangerous and heroic, but Braham takes that way, way too far. First, he was a whiney kid (granted, he had reasons, but still, he _was_ a whiney kid). Now, he's the Jar Jar of this story, and, like with JarJar, for the most part the comedy revolves around the story showing us how more pathtic can he get. All those norn traits you speak of? He has _none_.
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> > I think what your trying to put out here is kind inherent to most of us at some point or another.. from a whiney kid to the extrovert to the wise old man/woman trying to pass on all those years of experience back down to the next generation - kind of what growing up is about and finally seeing it go full circle.
> Again, you are thinking _human_ here. He is _Norn_ however. Do you want an example of another Norn in very similar situation (young age, tragedy and family loss)? It's **Jora** (Yes, she was also barely into adulthood when Svanir fell under Drakkar's influence). Compare her to Braham, and perhaps you will understand what my problem with him is.
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There is nothing to understand, there is no right or wrong, it is nothing to do with thinking as a human other than I am one (at least me ole ma said so).. it is just another example of people being different in how they handle things, how they progress or digress.. why should they be written to act the same way when in real life that doesn't happen, no matter what race, sex, colour or creed you are.
Just because he is Norn doesn't mean anything other than there are some very stereotypical things we associate with that race and they kinda used them in this particular piece of the story arc to help further its narrative.
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> @"ScyeRynn.4218" said:
> > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said:
> > > @"ScyeRynn.4218" said:
> > > > @"Palador.2170" said:
> > > > Let's be clear, I don't like Braham. For a long time, I've wanted him dropped from the story. And him getting drunk in the current story? Yeah, he pretty much ignored the reminder that he was representing our group there.
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> > > > But... he did have someone TRYING to get him drunk, so maybe that's not entirely his fault. And for the upcoming story, if we're going to learn something about the Spirits of the Wild, it may be best to have an immature norn with us. This way the player (and the commander, if need be) can learn about the spirits while Braham is getting lectured by wiser norn. It might give him a chance to grow up some, too.
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> > > It's completely irrelevant who or what caused him to be drunk. The point is that it's being used as a way to further their agenda with Braham as a caricature and not a character. This placeholder journey with Braham has been going on with his character for a long time now and it's unfortunate to see a character that started with so much potential reduced to an empty gimmick.
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> > No they are furthering the agenda of the story.. or are you missing the fact he was being prompted to drink more, fight and.. loosing the heirloom of his family , to which end we do not yet know other than the leader of this Charr dragonhunt now holds it with the instigator apparent by his side.
> > I think your trying to read far too much into the Braham character at this stage of what is just the prologue.
> > I see this as a way for Braham to open up the Norn part of this story and for him to begin maturing into a more solid, focused member of the group, at least I hope for that.
> > I think we get it, you don't like the character or the personality that has been written into him thus far, but your missing the point somewhat in that Braham at a young age has had to deal with some pretty tough stuff that even those of greater years and maturity would also find hard to deal with.. this may be his chance to grow as a player in this story, this game.
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> What I was calling "irrelevant" was the need to clarify Braham being drunk or who got him drunk in regards to what my thread is about. I know why Braham was drunk and what it accomplished for their plot. The point is about his slurred speech being intended for comedic intentions. You can have the same plot play out without the overuse of comedy through a character that has already had enough comedy forced on him, for the purpose of one of the agendas of the writers.
Have you ever been drunk or tried to converse with someone that is.. it can be kind of funny at times, but it can also be quite a powerful truth serum I guess for many of us.
I mean less we forget this was a celebration and some take that as a green light to let their hair down and have some fun, drink too much eat the pantry out of food and yeah do stupid things.. I know a few adults who have done that more times than I can throw a stick at. Add to that Norn are kind of stereotyped into that big brawling moot lovers, equally at home with an oversized weapon in their hand and talking tough or having a Steiner of ale fixed to their mouths slurring dumb talk to whoever about whatever.. but yes it was used to further the narrative of the wider story arc that is at play.
So I still do not see why you have such a problem with it, what is the harm, it served a purpose and I think it was executed reasonably well and for me at least it finally made me feel Braham might just be redeemable as a character.
Try to enjoy (or not) the story and its writings for what it actually is, not what you think it should be from your own self perceived expertise.
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> @"Astralporing.1957" said:
> > @"Reverielle.3972" said:
> > > @"Brycar.2651" said:
> > > I like Braham and looking forward to his big story.
> > Likewise, and I'm glad to see some others do too.
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> > I also read a lot of comments on Braham that make me think a lot of players just treat him as a 'human' both personality and culture-wise. But he's norn, a were-creature, and there are very big differences in both those areas. He has various classical norn-traits that many seem to take the wrong way, which is totally understandable when looking from a human perspective.
> Actually, for me it's exactly the opposite. What i find problematic is him acting like a human (and a pathetic one, to boot), not a Norn. I mean, i know that the epic Norn of GW1 were already changed into gw2 into caricatures, coming off as more funny and comedic than serious, dangerous and heroic, but Braham takes that way, way too far. First, he was a whiney kid (granted, he had reasons, but still, he _was_ a whiney kid). Now, he's the Jar Jar of this story, and, like with JarJar, for the most part the comedy revolves around the story showing us how more pathtic can he get. All those norn traits you speak of? He has _none_.
I think what your trying to put out here is kind inherent to most of us at some point or another.. from a whiney kid to the extrovert to the wise old man/woman trying to pass on all those years of experience back down to the next generation - kind of what growing up is about and finally seeing it go full circle.
I see some of myself and more importantly, some of my own children in some of the story telling here..
My kids from a very early age suffered the loss of their mother and I have seen them struggle with coming to terms with that as they have neared adulthood. There emotions, their actions, and their reactions have all undergone intense changes, like any youngling does and now as they near the end of their teen years they are beginning to find their own way and understanding that its ok to let your hair down once in awhile, but they are also beginning to grasp the fact there are somethings in life that require them to be more mature, more responsible and to think things through... has Braham reached that stage yet.. maybe, maybe not but he was young, full of racial pride yet not able to understand why or what or how to act on his emotions. Perhaps this is the beginning of Braham finally breaking those shackles and becoming the hero of his people, much like his parents were before him.
But then again there is also a wider story arc at play here and as yet we do not know the extent of Brahams or any of the other players roles in this Saga.
As I said previous.. the story is not perfect, but what is perfect in a story where millions of people can offer their own subjectivity against the quality of its writing - I mean we each are able to critique it against our own set of values, principles and emotive conjurations, we don't all have to be of the same opinions so some of us will like how these kinds of things play out in the story and some obviously will not.
Again I have disliked Braham as a character in this whole story thus far and am willing to accept that he isn't my cup of tea, but at the same time I accept he has had / will continue to have a part to play in developing the story further (or maybe his time is coming, who knows)
It's Time To Let Go of This Most Useless Character
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> @"Astralporing.1957" said:
> > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said:
> > Aside from Joko, I personally consider Scarlet to be our best foe yet.
> Well, that's only because, besides Joko, we _didn't_ have a good foe yet.
> (I still consider Balthazar to be way better than Scarlet was. At least he wasn't bending reality to suit his needs by his mere presence)
Well that's kinda subjective really, but yeah I agree there hasn't been much in the way of competition for top foe other than those three protagonists, I mean for me Zhaitan was a disappointment(but that was early days to be fair), Mordy was a tad too overshadowed by my dislike of Trehearne, Kralk just didn't appeal to me cos I hate all that Brand stuff around the maps, Balthazar was just a little too samey for me just with the body of something reminiscent of an angry old Viking who had seen too many winters... ermm maybe summers in his case :) and Joko was fun, perhaps a little too much fun to take seriously - so I am still all for upvoting Scarlet as top dog, but that's just me.