Caedmon.6798

> @"Jilora.9524" said: > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Gorani.7205" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone gets marked by Sentries and Watchtower upgrades. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't get the fuss Thief-main players make, like it denies them the ability to run around sentries in a bigger circle like everyone else (who roams on other professions) without the ability to stealth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And sorry (IMHO), if a thief players tries to ambush someone else right next to a tower with a gigantic rotating light on top, it is fair if he loses the advantage to stealth at will as long as he wants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marked has nothing to do with the SB#5 initiative increase. Don't mix up correlation with causality. ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone gets marked yet not everyone relies on Stealth to survive,a thing you clearly arent understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, Thief's don't complain about watchtowers and sentry's because they keep getting marked and killed. Both are easily avoidable by anyone paying attention. They complain because they can't get a kill right up to the tower door or couldn't chase someone because they were running towards a sentry. It is the biggest pointless complaint I have ever heard. Half the time if i'm looking for fights I get marked on purpose so they show up but yeah if you are dying because of a sentry and watchtower as a thief we can't help you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where do you even see me complain or making a statement that i'm dying to it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This forum,lmao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't because no one does so the complaint is pointless. I said if you as in any thief not you personally. So when you personally say Not everyone relies on stealth to survive it infers that because of marked you don't survive because if you do survive then marked isn't a problem now is it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The complaint isnt pointless but its only something you understand if you actually Play the class yourself,which you dont. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well you need stealth to survive and the topic is adjust sentrys and watchtowers and you don't die because of it. So what's the issue then. Why does something that doesn't cause you to die matter? How is that not pointless. Why don't you explain how you can't avoid these or what issues it causes you? Did someone pre bronze get away? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just answered that. A thing you dont understand unless you play the spec yourself. The issue has been presented numerous times on the forum,i also have been vocal about it in the past and not about to keep repeating myself. Again,play the class and you see the issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, bud. That's not an answer. Play the spec and you will see is not an answer. If you don't like repeating yourself then don't enter threads about something you don't want to repeat yourself about because I don't know you or read any other threads on this topic and remember what you who again I don't know said in the past. I'm just going to go you were denied a kill because of this or you got marked cause you are too oblivious of sentry spawns and the 1 watchtower a map and someone came and killed you. Again if you can't avoid static sentry spawns and the 1 watchtower a map(most times none) I can't help you and I won't play some class that can't adjust to sentry's and watchtowers cause that must be suffocating. > > > > > > > > > > > > You just dont get it,dont worry its fine. > > > > > > > > > > Na, it's not. I might change my mind because these sentry's and the occasional watch towers are so oppressive thieves can not enjoy WvW. I would like everyone to enjoy WvW so something must be done. All sentry's should immediately be deleted and replaced by a pre bronze player who has to just stand there and can only be killed by thieves. This is obviously much more of an issue then I imagined even tho I can avoid both sentry's and watchtowers if I want to on reapers or guardian so I just didn't know. I agree with you now. We must free the thieves from this oppression. > > > > > > > > Just because i made a comment at someone different as you where you feel the need to jump in, doesnt mean im into starting a useless argument with someone whos never even touched the class. > > > > > > But you did tho. And that's how forums work. Anyone can engage or chose not to and there are no reqs you must play this class to comment or only respond to things you 100 percent understand. It's ok tho. You converted my to your side with your persuasive arguments. > > > > Thats what i mean,people like you start arguments for the sake of starting an argument because you have nothing else going on in your life. Ill lay it out since you cannot understand the fact how important stealth is for a thief. Looking at the radius of reveals being applied by towers/keeps and sentry,s are areas where a thief with a brain would not engage in fights,thats a large part of the map. If youve read what the op said and what ive said you should have been able to come to your own conclusions as to how a mechanic like that can mess up the gameplay of someone that relies on stealth being a vital part of a build. Imagine if w/e brainded spec you run,your blocks or invulns would be shut down in all those areas where youre being marked,tell me you find that fair ? No dont tell me,because youl start another bs argument how you would find it fair just cus you have no kitten clue what youre talking about. > > Yea I know man. It's totally the same thing. Of course I did scroll down your prior comments for fun because as you said I have no life. You played DE right. Yeah thats not a brain dead class. How many times have you killed a player from stealth and basically killed him 100-0 before he could even hit you because of stealth. But that's just perfect right?. That's all skill on your part right? And because you can't do that near a sentry and again the very few towers like QL or Mendons or maybe a north t3 one on a BL you can't play and it's unfair. I didn't start an argument. I just disagreed that this marked matters to basically anyone because we can all avoid sentry's. I'm power reaper and if I couldn't use shroud near a sentry I would just avoid the sentry which isn't much of the map as you are trying to pretend it is. And even if you kill the sentry and take the full 30seconds of marked Hardly anyone ever shows up anyway so you can go back to stealth and now you own the sentry to mark another player and you can happily hide in stealth till he comes to kill the sentry get marked and you can 100-0 him. > Sentry's and watchtowers are a non-issue to everyone except thieves it seems and your excuses just don't add up. And by your excuses I mean every thief not you personally as that confused you before. Get a hobby.

> @"Jilora.9524" said: > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Gorani.7205" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone gets marked by Sentries and Watchtower upgrades. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't get the fuss Thief-main players make, like it denies them the ability to run around sentries in a bigger circle like everyone else (who roams on other professions) without the ability to stealth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > And sorry (IMHO), if a thief players tries to ambush someone else right next to a tower with a gigantic rotating light on top, it is fair if he loses the advantage to stealth at will as long as he wants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marked has nothing to do with the SB#5 initiative increase. Don't mix up correlation with causality. ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone gets marked yet not everyone relies on Stealth to survive,a thing you clearly arent understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, Thief's don't complain about watchtowers and sentry's because they keep getting marked and killed. Both are easily avoidable by anyone paying attention. They complain because they can't get a kill right up to the tower door or couldn't chase someone because they were running towards a sentry. It is the biggest pointless complaint I have ever heard. Half the time if i'm looking for fights I get marked on purpose so they show up but yeah if you are dying because of a sentry and watchtower as a thief we can't help you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where do you even see me complain or making a statement that i'm dying to it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This forum,lmao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't because no one does so the complaint is pointless. I said if you as in any thief not you personally. So when you personally say Not everyone relies on stealth to survive it infers that because of marked you don't survive because if you do survive then marked isn't a problem now is it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The complaint isnt pointless but its only something you understand if you actually Play the class yourself,which you dont. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well you need stealth to survive and the topic is adjust sentrys and watchtowers and you don't die because of it. So what's the issue then. Why does something that doesn't cause you to die matter? How is that not pointless. Why don't you explain how you can't avoid these or what issues it causes you? Did someone pre bronze get away? > > > > > > > > > > > > I just answered that. A thing you dont understand unless you play the spec yourself. The issue has been presented numerous times on the forum,i also have been vocal about it in the past and not about to keep repeating myself. Again,play the class and you see the issue. > > > > > > > > > > Ok, bud. That's not an answer. Play the spec and you will see is not an answer. If you don't like repeating yourself then don't enter threads about something you don't want to repeat yourself about because I don't know you or read any other threads on this topic and remember what you who again I don't know said in the past. I'm just going to go you were denied a kill because of this or you got marked cause you are too oblivious of sentry spawns and the 1 watchtower a map and someone came and killed you. Again if you can't avoid static sentry spawns and the 1 watchtower a map(most times none) I can't help you and I won't play some class that can't adjust to sentry's and watchtowers cause that must be suffocating. > > > > > > > > You just dont get it,dont worry its fine. > > > > > > Na, it's not. I might change my mind because these sentry's and the occasional watch towers are so oppressive thieves can not enjoy WvW. I would like everyone to enjoy WvW so something must be done. All sentry's should immediately be deleted and replaced by a pre bronze player who has to just stand there and can only be killed by thieves. This is obviously much more of an issue then I imagined even tho I can avoid both sentry's and watchtowers if I want to on reapers or guardian so I just didn't know. I agree with you now. We must free the thieves from this oppression. > > > > Just because i made a comment at someone different as you where you feel the need to jump in, doesnt mean im into starting a useless argument with someone whos never even touched the class. > > But you did tho. And that's how forums work. Anyone can engage or chose not to and there are no reqs you must play this class to comment or only respond to things you 100 percent understand. It's ok tho. You converted my to your side with your persuasive arguments. Thats what i mean,people like you start arguments for the sake of starting an argument because you have nothing else going on in your life. Ill lay it out since you cannot understand the fact how important stealth is for a thief. Looking at the radius of reveals being applied by towers/keeps and sentry,s are areas where a thief with a brain would not engage in fights,thats a large part of the map. If youve read what the op said and what ive said you should have been able to come to your own conclusions as to how a mechanic like that can mess up the gameplay of someone that relies on stealth being a vital part of a build. Imagine if w/e brainded spec you run,your blocks or invulns would be shut down in all those areas where youre being marked,tell me you find that fair ? No dont tell me,because youl start another bs argument how you would find it fair just cus you have no fucking clue what youre talking about.

> @"Jilora.9524" said: > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Gorani.7205" said: > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone gets marked by Sentries and Watchtower upgrades. > > > > > > > > > > > I don't get the fuss Thief-main players make, like it denies them the ability to run around sentries in a bigger circle like everyone else (who roams on other professions) without the ability to stealth. > > > > > > > > > > > And sorry (IMHO), if a thief players tries to ambush someone else right next to a tower with a gigantic rotating light on top, it is fair if he loses the advantage to stealth at will as long as he wants. > > > > > > > > > > > Marked has nothing to do with the SB#5 initiative increase. Don't mix up correlation with causality. ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone gets marked yet not everyone relies on Stealth to survive,a thing you clearly arent understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, Thief's don't complain about watchtowers and sentry's because they keep getting marked and killed. Both are easily avoidable by anyone paying attention. They complain because they can't get a kill right up to the tower door or couldn't chase someone because they were running towards a sentry. It is the biggest pointless complaint I have ever heard. Half the time if i'm looking for fights I get marked on purpose so they show up but yeah if you are dying because of a sentry and watchtower as a thief we can't help you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where do you even see me complain or making a statement that i'm dying to it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This forum,lmao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't because no one does so the complaint is pointless. I said if you as in any thief not you personally. So when you personally say Not everyone relies on stealth to survive it infers that because of marked you don't survive because if you do survive then marked isn't a problem now is it? > > > > > > > > > > > > The complaint isnt pointless but its only something you understand if you actually Play the class yourself,which you dont. > > > > > > > > > > Well you need stealth to survive and the topic is adjust sentrys and watchtowers and you don't die because of it. So what's the issue then. Why does something that doesn't cause you to die matter? How is that not pointless. Why don't you explain how you can't avoid these or what issues it causes you? Did someone pre bronze get away? > > > > > > > > I just answered that. A thing you dont understand unless you play the spec yourself. The issue has been presented numerous times on the forum,i also have been vocal about it in the past and not about to keep repeating myself. Again,play the class and you see the issue. > > > > > > Ok, bud. That's not an answer. Play the spec and you will see is not an answer. If you don't like repeating yourself then don't enter threads about something you don't want to repeat yourself about because I don't know you or read any other threads on this topic and remember what you who again I don't know said in the past. I'm just going to go you were denied a kill because of this or you got marked cause you are too oblivious of sentry spawns and the 1 watchtower a map and someone came and killed you. Again if you can't avoid static sentry spawns and the 1 watchtower a map(most times none) I can't help you and I won't play some class that can't adjust to sentry's and watchtowers cause that must be suffocating. > > > > You just dont get it,dont worry its fine. > > Na, it's not. I might change my mind because these sentry's and the occasional watch towers are so oppressive thieves can not enjoy WvW. I would like everyone to enjoy WvW so something must be done. All sentry's should immediately be deleted and replaced by a pre bronze player who has to just stand there and can only be killed by thieves. This is obviously much more of an issue then I imagined even tho I can avoid both sentry's and watchtowers if I want to on reapers or guardian so I just didn't know. I agree with you now. We must free the thieves from this oppression. Just because i made a comment at someone different as you where you feel the need to jump in, doesnt mean im into starting a useless argument with someone whos never even touched the class.

> @"Jilora.9524" said: > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Gorani.7205" said: > > > > > > > > > Everyone gets marked by Sentries and Watchtower upgrades. > > > > > > > > > I don't get the fuss Thief-main players make, like it denies them the ability to run around sentries in a bigger circle like everyone else (who roams on other professions) without the ability to stealth. > > > > > > > > > And sorry (IMHO), if a thief players tries to ambush someone else right next to a tower with a gigantic rotating light on top, it is fair if he loses the advantage to stealth at will as long as he wants. > > > > > > > > > Marked has nothing to do with the SB#5 initiative increase. Don't mix up correlation with causality. ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone gets marked yet not everyone relies on Stealth to survive,a thing you clearly arent understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, Thief's don't complain about watchtowers and sentry's because they keep getting marked and killed. Both are easily avoidable by anyone paying attention. They complain because they can't get a kill right up to the tower door or couldn't chase someone because they were running towards a sentry. It is the biggest pointless complaint I have ever heard. Half the time if i'm looking for fights I get marked on purpose so they show up but yeah if you are dying because of a sentry and watchtower as a thief we can't help you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Where do you even see me complain or making a statement that i'm dying to it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > This forum,lmao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't because no one does so the complaint is pointless. I said if you as in any thief not you personally. So when you personally say Not everyone relies on stealth to survive it infers that because of marked you don't survive because if you do survive then marked isn't a problem now is it? > > > > > > > > The complaint isnt pointless but its only something you understand if you actually Play the class yourself,which you dont. > > > > > > Well you need stealth to survive and the topic is adjust sentrys and watchtowers and you don't die because of it. So what's the issue then. Why does something that doesn't cause you to die matter? How is that not pointless. Why don't you explain how you can't avoid these or what issues it causes you? Did someone pre bronze get away? > > > > I just answered that. A thing you dont understand unless you play the spec yourself. The issue has been presented numerous times on the forum,i also have been vocal about it in the past and not about to keep repeating myself. Again,play the class and you see the issue. > > Ok, bud. That's not an answer. Play the spec and you will see is not an answer. If you don't like repeating yourself then don't enter threads about something you don't want to repeat yourself about because I don't know you or read any other threads on this topic and remember what you who again I don't know said in the past. I'm just going to go you were denied a kill because of this or you got marked cause you are too oblivious of sentry spawns and the 1 watchtower a map and someone came and killed you. Again if you can't avoid static sentry spawns and the 1 watchtower a map(most times none) I can't help you and I won't play some class that can't adjust to sentry's and watchtowers cause that must be suffocating. You just dont get it,dont worry its fine.

> @"Jilora.9524" said: > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > @"Gorani.7205" said: > > > > > > > Everyone gets marked by Sentries and Watchtower upgrades. > > > > > > > I don't get the fuss Thief-main players make, like it denies them the ability to run around sentries in a bigger circle like everyone else (who roams on other professions) without the ability to stealth. > > > > > > > And sorry (IMHO), if a thief players tries to ambush someone else right next to a tower with a gigantic rotating light on top, it is fair if he loses the advantage to stealth at will as long as he wants. > > > > > > > Marked has nothing to do with the SB#5 initiative increase. Don't mix up correlation with causality. ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone gets marked yet not everyone relies on Stealth to survive,a thing you clearly arent understanding. > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, Thief's don't complain about watchtowers and sentry's because they keep getting marked and killed. Both are easily avoidable by anyone paying attention. They complain because they can't get a kill right up to the tower door or couldn't chase someone because they were running towards a sentry. It is the biggest pointless complaint I have ever heard. Half the time if i'm looking for fights I get marked on purpose so they show up but yeah if you are dying because of a sentry and watchtower as a thief we can't help you. > > > > > > > > Where do you even see me complain or making a statement that i'm dying to it ? > > > > > > > > This forum,lmao. > > > > > > > > > > I didn't because no one does so the complaint is pointless. I said if you as in any thief not you personally. So when you personally say Not everyone relies on stealth to survive it infers that because of marked you don't survive because if you do survive then marked isn't a problem now is it? > > > > The complaint isnt pointless but its only something you understand if you actually Play the class yourself,which you dont. > > Well you need stealth to survive and the topic is adjust sentrys and watchtowers and you don't die because of it. So what's the issue then. Why does something that doesn't cause you to die matter? How is that not pointless. Why don't you explain how you can't avoid these or what issues it causes you? Did someone pre bronze get away? I just answered that. A thing you dont understand unless you play the spec yourself. The issue has been presented numerous times on the forum,i also have been vocal about it in the past and not about to keep repeating myself. Again,play the class and you see the issue. Now i just repeated myself again.

> @"Jilora.9524" said: > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > @"Gorani.7205" said: > > > > > Everyone gets marked by Sentries and Watchtower upgrades. > > > > > I don't get the fuss Thief-main players make, like it denies them the ability to run around sentries in a bigger circle like everyone else (who roams on other professions) without the ability to stealth. > > > > > And sorry (IMHO), if a thief players tries to ambush someone else right next to a tower with a gigantic rotating light on top, it is fair if he loses the advantage to stealth at will as long as he wants. > > > > > Marked has nothing to do with the SB#5 initiative increase. Don't mix up correlation with causality. ;) > > > > > > > > Everyone gets marked yet not everyone relies on Stealth to survive,a thing you clearly arent understanding. > > > > > > Yeah, Thief's don't complain about watchtowers and sentry's because they keep getting marked and killed. Both are easily avoidable by anyone paying attention. They complain because they can't get a kill right up to the tower door or couldn't chase someone because they were running towards a sentry. It is the biggest pointless complaint I have ever heard. Half the time if i'm looking for fights I get marked on purpose so they show up but yeah if you are dying because of a sentry and watchtower as a thief we can't help you. > > > > Where do you even see me complain or making a statement that i'm dying to it ? > > > > This forum,lmao. > > > > I didn't because no one does so the complaint is pointless. I said if you as in any thief not you personally. So when you personally say Not everyone relies on stealth to survive it infers that because of marked you don't survive because if you do survive then marked isn't a problem now is it? The complaint isnt pointless but its something you only understand if you actually Play the class yourself,which you dont.

> @"Jilora.9524" said: > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > @"Gorani.7205" said: > > > Everyone gets marked by Sentries and Watchtower upgrades. > > > I don't get the fuss Thief-main players make, like it denies them the ability to run around sentries in a bigger circle like everyone else (who roams on other professions) without the ability to stealth. > > > And sorry (IMHO), if a thief players tries to ambush someone else right next to a tower with a gigantic rotating light on top, it is fair if he loses the advantage to stealth at will as long as he wants. > > > Marked has nothing to do with the SB#5 initiative increase. Don't mix up correlation with causality. ;) > > > > Everyone gets marked yet not everyone relies on Stealth to survive,a thing you clearly arent understanding. > > Yeah, Thief's don't complain about watchtowers and sentry's because they keep getting marked and killed. Both are easily avoidable by anyone paying attention. They complain because they can't get a kill right up to the tower door or couldn't chase someone because they were running towards a sentry. It is the biggest pointless complaint I have ever heard. Half the time if i'm looking for fights I get marked on purpose so they show up but yeah if you are dying because of a sentry and watchtower as a thief we can't help you. Where do you even see me complain or making a statement that i'm dying to it ? This forum,lmao.

> @"Gorani.7205" said: > Everyone gets marked by Sentries and Watchtower upgrades. > I don't get the fuss Thief-main players make, like it denies them the ability to run around sentries in a bigger circle like everyone else (who roams on other professions) without the ability to stealth. > And sorry (IMHO), if a thief players tries to ambush someone else right next to a tower with a gigantic rotating light on top, it is fair if he loses the advantage to stealth at will as long as he wants. > Marked has nothing to do with the SB#5 initiative increase. Don't mix up correlation with causality. ;) Everyone gets marked yet not everyone relies on Stealth to survive,a thing you clearly arent understanding.

> @"Burnfall.9573" said: > The fear is to prevent the Community of making false accusations against the real hackers > > Which would happen a ton of times,exactly. I remember a long time back i got accused by a guy in wvw for porting twice on my thief ( Shadow step and return) And he thought i was hacking. Eventhough i linked him the skill he kept on saying he had reported me and would let his entire guild report me for hacking,about 30 people he said. I dont think it was true,but imagine mass reports of hacks against one person because someone is mad. Anet would be busy trying to figure this out 24/7.

> @"SuchosCZ.2167" said: > So, just now, rifle thief inside our T3 SM. 5 ppl chasing him around in between guards, no way to lock him, yet he still can one shot me from stealth and then keep runing :D totaly legit bro. Well,some people know how to counter and others,just never learn. But hey lets keep on complaining though ! Im sure it will make you feel better giving yourself this feeling of "Class is broken" instead of, "Im gonna improve myself and learn how to shut them down". Whatever works.

> @"Junkpile.7439" said: > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > So you got 4 stars on forum and dont know how to counter a thief ? How about you spend more time dueling how to counter thieves as to posting random bs troll posts as this. > > > > That's def some seriously low quality trolling. Up your game. > I don't do duels. > I can imagine you won't. Keep complaining about them why you keep losing with your +1 groups vs them though. Atleast you have Downed state to carry your ass. Why are you even complaining about a thief ? You obv don't want to duel so you rely on your group to get them and still fail. I just don't know what the issue is here besides the obvious fact that you need to up your game.

> @"kash.9213" said: > Death's Retreat will probably be next and cost all initiative plus put you in dept and roots you for the next attack. They will nerf that,then few months later they will nerf stealth acces on De aswell. Aslong as the block/heal/cleansing/projectile spamming blobs are happy,cus thats their most income anyway. I mean even if All thieves now jump to DE cus of Death's Retreat,or make a full dodge build. They will nerf it again and keep the casual sustain spamming alive,as it has been after Hot got released. This is just their vision of WvW,a place full of casuals spamming random buttons being carried by boons/heals and downed state.

So you got 4 stars on forum and dont know how to counter a thief ? How about you spend more time dueling how to counter thieves as to posting random bs troll posts as this. That's def some seriously low quality trolling. Up your game.

I think its an aweful decision made by people that have zero experience playing this class and listening to the wrong audience to implement nerfs,and above all nerfing the wrong thing. How in wvw they nerf thief's mobility ( A Strictly roam class because they are Not wanted in blobs ). Yet keep alive the infinite amount of reflects and sustain in blobs,definetely shows their stance towards the roaming scene because of them wanting this to be a blob vs blob game mode mostly,and everything theyve done in the past only adds to this fact. They want that Solo thief that knows how to play to be caught by the 10 tryhards that barely know how to press a button on minstrel full sustain builds spamming all ze buttons with perm rotations of reflect,projectile destroy,heals,cleanses,blocks,and able to rely on the casual carry mechanic named downed state if one of them goes down. I can see them continue nerfing thief tbh,because i played tonight,and im still able to kill people !! Its crazy right ?! Infract numbero 267 incoming,because this will probably hurt someones feelings,somewhere in the world.

> @"Zape.2094" said: > > @"Dawdler.8521" said: > > > @"Zape.2094" said: > > > > @"Dawdler.8521" said: > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > When it comes to thief,typically no. Even on my DE vs a properly stacked up blob my shots will be 99% blocked/reflected/destroyed,the one hit that does land will be instantly healed. But,on thief you can go for stragglers,and usually theres some able to be picked off. They are far from wanted because everyone does everything else better in blob fights,except getting those stragglers because of your high mobility,able to stealth finish and lock em down with immob spamms. > > > > IMO thief has a problem for zerg flanking - by design for the thief to be effective, it needs to be glassy. But if its glassy, its very weak to getting targetted. So while it does bring the damage, it has a tendancy to not be able to follow through. > > > > > > > > But then again how effective this is often depends more on how good the commander is at herding the kittens than it does on the skill of the thief. > > > > > > So which class would you suggest for such actions? > > > > > > Im thinking ranger cause of the 1500+ longbow range, but it kinda lacks AoE (except for longbow 5, which makes you a sitting duck), or perhaps an Elementalist with a staff (1200range and good AoE)? Any ideas? Id really like to give zerg busting a go ^.^ > > > > > > > > > Btw Caed, Ive heard of you busting people out on your deadeye, hope to see you ingame some time!! :) > > I just said it has a problem with the follow through. It can still *do* it. If you *want* to pewpew... then pick a class that got pewpew. There is no 1v50 zergbusting omnibuild thats running full berserkers mixed with full minstrels, all the traits and every skill on the bar. > > I dont think you understand what I mean by zergbusting.... I dont plan to 1v50. I plan to cloud the enemy zerg and pick off their tail, flank the enemy zerg and put a ton of damage down on their downed players to rally our zerg. > > Generally I want to be behind the enemy zerg when my zerg is on the other side. When they clash, I want to flank and throw down damage, then quickly get away to safety. :) > > Basically clouding. Ranger perhaps. Anything with the mobility to get away when youre being pushed back. De as he said,can do it but you rlly have to know what youre doing. But most of the time you can feel utterly useless though vs properly stacked up blobs or when fighting in close quarters,keeps/garri,it's really situational but you mostly can shine in open field. Whatever you run,positioning is mostly important. Hit the sides and the back,be as annoying as you can be,if 10 people suddenly turn to you,all the better for your main blob. Just make sure you can survive it. Hope to see you aswell btw,otherwise feel free to pm me ingame.

When it comes to thief,typically no. Even on my DE vs a properly stacked up blob my shots will be 99% blocked/reflected/destroyed,the one hit that does land will be instantly healed. But,on thief you can go for stragglers,and usually theres some able to be picked off. They are far from wanted because everyone does everything else better in blob fights,except getting those stragglers because of your high mobility,able to stealth finish and lock em down with immob spamms.

> @"GenerationX.9178" said: > erm honesty ranger roots are more of problem. they are need get fixed Why ? Most people can easily get out. On thief you pop withdrawl,or port or w/e. On every other class u pop a resist or leap with a trait that removes immob like on warri.

Imagine how broken this shit will be when they release their xpack. Can't wait !

> @"Vlad Morbius.1759" said: > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > Get a thief in your own group and stop complaining. They have Obv the same amount of mobi and can chase the thief off annoying your "blob". If yall continue to only rely on having guards/revs/eles/warris in your group then its on you. If you complain about that One thief singling out straggler,maybe get a thief on your own insted of asking for nerfs. > > > > You also have a throwable stealth trap + another stealthtrap avaiable Ontop of the normal counter reveals,aoe spamm and projectiles that follow through stealth and being able to rotate 100% projectile destroy/reflect. You people dont want a "counter",you want More counter because you lack the ability to deal with them with what you have available already. > > > > In other words,youre only as good as the amount of people you have behind you. > > As a roamer everything you've just said means little. I don't play in zergs, that's where people who don't know how to pvp or WvW roam go to hide their shame! As far as playing a thief, thanks but i don't do chicken kitten builds either so try again. Either way nothing is balanced properly if you need to carry traps in order to engage or to fight. Like i said at the beginning thief isn't the only problem invisibility and how it paired to other skills is what makes it OP and the skill itself is becoming too common in class builds, so that is the really problem. You dont need to use traps. I said its an Add on what you have available already to counter them. you refusing to use them,while its a complete hard counter,is rlly an issue on your side. Complain instead of using what you have available. Im not about to repeat myself as how you can counter them because thats something you completely ignored while you keep on screaming "OP".

Get a thief in your own group and stop complaining. They have Obv the same amount of mobi and can chase the thief off annoying your "blob". If yall continue to only rely on having guards/revs/eles/warris in your group then its on you. If you complain about that One thief singling out straggler,maybe get a thief on your own insted of asking for nerfs. You also have a throwable stealth trap + another stealthtrap avaiable Ontop of the normal counter reveals,aoe spamm and projectiles that follow through stealth and being able to rotate 100% projectile destroy/reflect. You people dont want a "counter",you want More counter because you lack the ability to deal with them with what you have available already. In other words,youre only as good as the amount of people you have behind you.