Is the balance patch cycle unacceptable

[Warlord.9074]

edited for spelling.

[Sovereign.1093]

Explain :)

[kamikharzeeh.8016]

the question is what is the question?

 

balance patch was not fixing anything really, just lower numbers and clouds have overall a far bigger disadvantage now than before this so-called "balance", some classes lost bunch of dps possibilities. i rather not care about the cooldown-adaption, but stealing damage of slow cc-aoe was not a great choice.

 

also, balancing as if Wvw was Pvp was a "not acceptable" choice, that has nothing to do with any cycle tho.

 

hell, you'd even have gotten a _yes _ from most people if you'd as as plainly as " is everything unacceptable"... so gg no re.

[Hashberry.4510]

They really needed to follow up quickly on such clumsy hammer of a reset. If they wanted to display a new commitment in their approach, the worst thing they could do is retreat to the old cycle.

[Warlord.9074]

Most of the players that frequent these forums understand that a once every 3 months balance patch is not acceptable for any competitive game. The poll is here to let anet know that almost nobody thinks its acceptable. TLDR the thread isn't meant to be a TLDR, since nobody reads that, and almost everyone understands what is meant here. I am not the expert on industry standards, but I can't think of any respectable competitive game that is that slow on balancing.

 

I have been told by numerous people they will never come back to this game for this reason. They believe the patch cycles are way too slow and they have no faith at all whatsoever without any shadow of a doubt that anet is capable of delivering a balanced competitive game.

[zinkz.7045]

> @"Warlord.9074" said:

> Most of the players that frequent these forums understand that a once every 3 months balance patch is not acceptable for any competitive game.

 

Most of the players who frequent this forum have no interest in a competitive game, which is why they are still playing WvW, which as a skilled, competitive PvP game is an absolute joke.

 

Same goes for balance, the notion that you can have any sort of meaningful balance in a game mode like WvW is laughable to anyone who isn't blinded by addiction to WvW. Let alone when you add that it's one of three modes (and last in line out of those), that the game's combat was designed around 5v5 conquest, etc.

 

WvW gets the amount of attention it deserves in regard to balance, which is very little.

[frareanselm.1925]

Anet strategy was: I'll overpower Hot and Pof classes to make sure everybody buys the expansion.

-Then nerf Hot and Pof classes.

-Now overpower cheap core professions like ranger and core necro.

 

This is not a balance, this is laughing in front of the customer.

 

[Kronan.6712]

The "balanced" path itself is unacceptable, completely change the gameplay of a game, without asking to the customers, without take care if some of the customers actually enjoy this gameplay is not unacceptable. I really do not understand how all the talented developers, artists, designers at Anet can accept that few of them broke the game.

[DemonSeed.3528]

Well, imo whenever it seems like they are paying attention, it will peter out within a month or two, bringing us back to the doldrums. It's like every time they get into the red, they will try to announce something amazing to get back into the green and let it slip again. I don't know, it's just that they've done this so many times I don't care anymore. Maybe that is the intention. I also mean this in the general sense regarding the game as a whole.

[kamikharzeeh.8016]

should u really have meant "i want more balance patches"... you'd get a NO from me. the last balance wasn't good or useful at all, why would we really want that more frequent? also you gotta always adapt your gear and check what builds changed. having that too often isn't productive either. rather up the quality of "balance" patches instead of the quantity.

[Swagger.1459]

@"Warlord.9074"

 

Seems like you're not aware of what's happening...

 

https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/101122/a-message-to-our-community-about-covid-19

 

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[Warlord.9074]

 

 

> @"Swagger.1459" said:

 

> “Since March 6, the ArenaNet office in Bellevue, Washington has been closed due to corona virus

 

Since the last several years, for many years now, the balance patch cycle has remained the same which was every 3 months so the corona virus can't be used as a talking point.

 

> @"zinkz.7045" said:

> the game's combat was designed around 5v5 conquest, etc.

The same balance patch cycle for pvp is the same balance patch cycle for all game modes. If we were to put the thread in the pvp or pve section it would be just as relevant since they all have the same patch cycle as far as character skill balance. PVE gets often a lot of NPC and AI updates as well as rewards but that has nothing to do with character skill balance.

 

 

[ArlAlt.1630]

Implying there was ever a time table is rich. Their so called "timetable" is comprised of wishful thinking and happy thoughts. In reality they have failed every single attempt at a steady cycle and the few times they've managed to chain up a few balance releases, it's been at the cost of unfinished (non working) tweaks that are then actually introduced weeks later and labeled as "bug fixes." Like hello, it's not a bug fix if the fixed skill/trait/whathaveyou was using it's old functionality cuz you failed to write the code for it in time. That's called missing content, not a bug fix.

 

People should accept this as the status quo and stop hoping anything is going to change, because it won't. It's their design philosophy and it's been like that since the bulk of the OG team left. On that note, this is in my personal opinion the reason why the patches feel uninspired and out of focus patch to patch. The people that created this game and had the vision of what it should be, how it should be played, well... they're just not in the company anymore.

 

Tl;DR: Just play the game if you enjoy it and don't if you no longer do.

[Redponey.8352]

Back in the day, Anet decided to focus on casual player since they cannot regular/hardcore gamer in WvW by putting OP stuff without even trying to communicate with HC/regular WvW community. Instead they wanted that casual player could enjoy WvW as WvW regular member did without joining the community (so no audio/no interest in build and how to play WvW as we did etc..). But with this tunnel vision on Casualplayer and reward stuff they missed that is this community (HC/regular player) who makes WvW alive by promoting video on YT making epic fight and having fun. As now the gamemode has been completly left aside only a small bunch of player of this community remain.

 

I remember that i really started to play in WvW because of HC guild as RG but now i cant even play WvW anymore.

 

balance patch is only a part of the major issue of WvW. Actually even with the best balance patch other things will remain completly broken (mount, watchtower banner etc..) and there is no reason to play WvW as servers are mixed every 2months without tournament. the only reason you can play WvW is to get legendary/shiny stuff (as PvE).

 

 

 

Sorry for my bad english

 

 

[ArlAlt.1630]

This poll really helps put the White Knights in the spotlight. I like it.

[Warlord.9074]

The white knighting on this forum is strong.

[Mokk.2397]

Common people cut them some slack. You can only type with one finger so fast.

[Sleepwalker.1398]

OK balance aside, has there been any response anywhere of when they will look at these servers?

A few months back i post about it in reddit and the whiteknights downvoted the living crap out of it.

[Black Storm.6974]

I feel like more frequent balance patches would just result in even worst balance patches. I just hope they can think deeper and try things before releasing balance patches.

[ArlAlt.1630]

> @"Black Storm.6974" said:

> I feel like more frequent balance patches would just result in even worst balance patches. I just hope they can think deeper and try things before releasing balance patches.

 

You think that because, over the years of neglect and failed attempts at balance, they've conditioned all of us to expect disappointment. When you expect disappointment, they get an excuse to justify why they're taking so long between releases. You just listed the excuse.

[Black Storm.6974]

> @"ArlAlt.1630" said:

> > @"Black Storm.6974" said:

> > I feel like more frequent balance patches would just result in even worst balance patches. I just hope they can think deeper and try things before releasing balance patches.

>

> You think that because, over the years of neglect and failed attempts at balance, they've conditioned all of us to expect disappointment. When you expect disappointment, they get an excuse to justify why they're taking so long between releases. You just listed the excuse.

 

 

I still hope they can think deeper, because I feel like superficiality is a problem much more than the current frequency.

 

They don’t need to increase the time between balance patches to do that, but reducing it would just support superficiality, because they would have less time seeing how things evolve. I think they are mostly passive (that passivity is the reason why “time” become important) and I don’t expect that to change if balance patches would become more frequent.

 

I'm not against more frequent balance patches, if that would also come with deeper thoughts (achieving a better quality), but then, probably, people would realise that more frequent balance patches are not needed, unless they just want ArenaNet to change anything they struggle to kill.

[Redponey.8352]

As nothing has changed in the past during the golden age of the WvW, it's not now, when the WvW is almost dead, that it will change.

 

Play if you like it but for many vet from this past age, your feeling is that the gamemode has been turn to dust.