TheAgedGnome.7520 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Do you use [Harbinger Shroud](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Harbinger_Shroud) (Herald of Sorrow trait)? I use it and find it quite good, at least in OW. But I don't see it used by other scourges, and I don't think its part of any meta build. So I'm curious why people use or don't use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yasai.3549 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Yes. It's pretty decent on Heal Scourges. What kind of thread is this anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAgedGnome.7520 Posted November 13, 2020 Author Share Posted November 13, 2020 > @"Yasai.3549" said: > Yes. > It's pretty decent on Heal Scourges. > > What kind of thread is this anyway? It's for my curiosity. I use it but never see it used by others. I'll update the topic if I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroud.2307 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 I have a "yolo" Condition build I use for roaming in WvW that takes Harbinger Shroud. I say yolo in quotations because it's Trailblazer with Death Magic, but I'm not using Soul Reaping and have very few Corrupts or Barriers, so it has poor Life Force gen and poor Shroud uptime, but a ton of damage. I like Harbinger because it's a larger Barrier and applies more Torment, and the idea of this build is to be as overwhelming as possible. I think it's a good trait and I enjoy it, though I don't play Scourge much and don't enjoy Punishments anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Za Shaloc.3908 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 I think the trait is pretty cool. I am not a Necro player, however I really love playing support Scourge. The biggest thing in my eyes that makes the trait less appealing is that it competes with Desert Empowerment, which feels a little bad if sharing barrier is your goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yasai.3549 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 > @"Pterikdactyl.7630" said: > I think the trait is pretty cool. I am not a Necro player, however I really love playing support Scourge. The biggest thing in my eyes that makes the trait less appealing is that it competes with Desert Empowerment, which feels a little bad if sharing barrier is your goal. At least the end Barrier has a way better 2.0 coefficient compared to Desert's 0.77. And I think the draw to Harbinger is the fact yu don't have to bother using F1s at all unless it's to safely range yur other shade skills. For encounters where yu want yur group to stack, yu just don't bother using F1 and can focus yur attention on other things. It's definitely more selfish than a Desert Empowerment build, and better suits situations where yu just throw out a huge Barrier to absorb a single large burst rather than bother with uptime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 it takes too long to explode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadnir.5038 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 This trait embody and magnify everything I dislike in scourge's design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAgedGnome.7520 Posted November 15, 2020 Author Share Posted November 15, 2020 > @"Stand The Wall.6987" said: > it takes too long to explode. I can certainly see this being a deal-breaker in pvp or even wvw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaVid Darksoul.4985 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 For roaming it gives a big "umph" for condi and grieving builds as well as protection. I would like to see the aoe range expanded a little, as well as other skills, to better catch opponents that flit in and out of range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anchoku.8142 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Liked the trait before I stopped liking Scourge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaogin.2679 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 It just feels pointless. I haven't looked at it in a while, but last I checked you get more barrier uptime by taking Dessert Empowerment. I guess you get more damage since instead of applying 1 stack of torment every pulse for 7 pulses, you get a burst of 6 stacks of torment. Outside of that though, I just don't see the point. I mean sure, it also reduces the LF cost of your F5, but LF has never been an issue for me. And it is too easy to avoid in PvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanAlcedo.3281 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 I would play it in WvW as a gimmick but even with max investment it does not deal enough dmg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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