Taxes are so hight

[Marckfast.8093]

I understand that every game must have a tax echanging items, because if not, the money would not worth anything with the past of time due to the big amounts on money around.

But i think that the taxes actually are simply so hight:

Selling a item

Buying Gems with gold

Buying gold with gems

 

The rates should be lowered a bit to make market flow a bit quicker, they are so hight actually.

Also to end, when you put a item to sell, but a bit ime later u want to remove it from the market place, why should we also pay those big taxes just for showing on a list?

I know other games that have diferent ways of sell, like player to player also at the same time they got the market place.

 

Thanks

[Ameepa.6793]

Taxes are the main gold sink in game. Only thing keeping the inflation in check. Make them lower and prices will be 10 times higher. Do you really want that?

[Strider Pj.2193]

> @"Marckfast.8093" said:

> I understand that every game must have a tax echanging items, because if not, the money would not worth anything with the past of time due to the big amounts on money around.

> But i think that the taxes actually are simply so hight:

> Selling a item

> Buying Gems with gold

> Buying gold with gems

>

> The rates should be lowered a bit to make market flow a bit quicker, they are so hight actually.

> Also to end, when you put a item to sell, but a bit ime later u want to remove it from the market place, why should we also pay those big taxes just for showing on a list?

> I know other games that have diferent ways of sell, like player to player also at the same time they got the market place.

>

> Thanks

 

They are lower than most taxes in industrialized countries. Likely they used some of those for the model.

[Loosmaster.8263]

This is one of the main reasons I hoard!!!

[Jokel.5164]

gw2exchange on reddit?!

[Gwaihir.1745]

I was thinking hight was a typo but it was used repeatedly.

[Just a flesh wound.3589]

The gold sinks are what keeps gold inflation from getting too bad. If you want to remove a gold sink you should suggest another to take its place that removes the same amount of gold from the economy. Unless you do that the devs aren’t going to consider your suggestion.

[Zephire.8049]

While it may not seem like it in the moment (especially when you list more expensive items), a 15% tax benefits everyone in that it keeps the inflation down so while you don't make as much personally, what you make is worth more than it would be otherwise and it's cheaper for yourself when you buy things. (Cheaper in that even if the prices are on par, you don't have to spend as much time grinding content for enough gold to buy it.)

 

It may feel nice to have thousands of gold and to be able to list things for hundreds of gold, but look at what happened to the likes of GaiaOnline with too much gold coming in with not enough of it going out. It's an extreme example, yes, but it illustrates why gold sinks are incredibly important for the health of virtual economies.

 

Also there's intentionally no player-to-player trading so that there's no getting around paying the listing fee and selling fee, the economy is shared between everyone, and so that people aren't scammed out of items or end up trading for items acquired through scams or RMT. The last one also meaning support isn't swamped with tickets about being scammed or scammers trying to issue a "charge back" to get the gold and item(s). While you can send items to others in the mail, there's a reason why you're told support will not help you if you mess up or get scammed that way.

[Cuks.8241]

Anet is doing a great job keeping the economy of this game balanced. One of the best I have seen in mmorpgs. The taxes are just fine.

[Inculpatus cedo.9234]

The 'tax' _is_ light, you're right. And we are grateful it is so.

[BunjiKugashira.9754]

> @"Marckfast.8093" said:

> Also to end, when you put a item to sell, but a bit ime later u want to remove it from the market place, why should we also pay those big taxes just for showing on a list?

 

 

There are two reasons for this:

1. This prevents people from abusing the trading post as a storage expansion. Even though people still post items at ludicrous prices with the intention of never selling them, simply because their normal storage is full, they at least don't get to store their stuff for free.

2. This also effectively lowers prices on items. People are more likely to post their items at an affordable price, if they know that taking the item down and re-listing it at a lower price eats up any bonus gold they could have gotten by price gauging.

[Linken.6345]

> @"BunjiKugashira.9754" said:

> > @"Marckfast.8093" said:

> > Also to end, when you put a item to sell, but a bit ime later u want to remove it from the market place, why should we also pay those big taxes just for showing on a list?

>

>

> There are two reasons for this:

> 1. This prevents people from abusing the trading post as a storage expansion. Even though people still post items at ludicrous prices with the intention of never selling them, simply because their normal storage is full, they at least don't get to store their stuff for free.

> 2. This also effectively lowers prices on items. People are more likely to post their items at an affordable price, if they know that taking the item down and re-listing it at a lower price eats up any bonus gold they could have gotten by price gauging.

 

Why would they do this when they can put in 5-500.000 bids on chac egg sacks for what ever anmunt they want to store and keep all the money when they delist the buy order?

[Inculpatus cedo.9234]

^How is putting a Buy Order on an item enable one to store items on the Trading Post?

[Danikat.8537]

> @"BunjiKugashira.9754" said:

> > @"Marckfast.8093" said:

> > Also to end, when you put a item to sell, but a bit ime later u want to remove it from the market place, why should we also pay those big taxes just for showing on a list?

>

>

> There are two reasons for this:

> 1. This prevents people from abusing the trading post as a storage expansion. Even though people still post items at ludicrous prices with the intention of never selling them, simply because their normal storage is full, they at least don't get to store their stuff for free.

> 2. This also effectively lowers prices on items. People are more likely to post their items at an affordable price, if they know that taking the item down and re-listing it at a lower price eats up any bonus gold they could have gotten by price gauging.

 

It also discourages price wars, or at least slows them down. If it was free to list something then two people could easily crash the price on an item by constantly removing and relisting it in an attempt to undercut the other person and make sure theirs sells first. This still happens sometimes but at least it creates an incentive to think before you do it and limits how many times one person can relist the same item.

 

Between that and your 2nd point I think it helps to keep prices reasonably stable unless there's an actual change in supply or demand.

 

(I'm not sure why they don't do the same with buy orders, but maybe they thought taxing sellers was enough. Or it looked confusing to always have to pay slightly more than you wanted to place a bid and then see some of that money just disappear.)

[Steve The Cynic.3217]

> @"Linken.6345" said:

> > @"BunjiKugashira.9754" said:

> > > @"Marckfast.8093" said:

> > > Also to end, when you put a item to sell, but a bit ime later u want to remove it from the market place, why should we also pay those big taxes just for showing on a list?

> >

> >

> > There are two reasons for this:

> > 1. This prevents people from abusing the trading post as a storage expansion. Even though people still post items at ludicrous prices with the intention of never selling them, simply because their normal storage is full, they at least don't get to store their stuff for free.

> > 2. This also effectively lowers prices on items. People are more likely to post their items at an affordable price, if they know that taking the item down and re-listing it at a lower price eats up any bonus gold they could have gotten by price gauging.

>

> Why would they do this when they can put in 5-500.000 bids on chac egg sacks for what ever anmunt they want to store and keep all the money when they delist the buy order?

 

Because they *don't* keep all the money. The 5% fee you pay to list the item is not refunded if you cancel the listing.

[Just a flesh wound.3589]

> @"Steve The Cynic.3217" said:

> > @"Linken.6345" said:

> > > @"BunjiKugashira.9754" said:

> > > > @"Marckfast.8093" said:

> > > > Also to end, when you put a item to sell, but a bit ime later u want to remove it from the market place, why should we also pay those big taxes just for showing on a list?

> > >

> > >

> > > There are two reasons for this:

> > > 1. This prevents people from abusing the trading post as a storage expansion. Even though people still post items at ludicrous prices with the intention of never selling them, simply because their normal storage is full, they at least don't get to store their stuff for free.

> > > 2. This also effectively lowers prices on items. People are more likely to post their items at an affordable price, if they know that taking the item down and re-listing it at a lower price eats up any bonus gold they could have gotten by price gauging.

> >

> > Why would they do this when they can put in 5-500.000 bids on chac egg sacks for what ever anmunt they want to store and keep all the money when they delist the buy order?

>

> Because they *don't* keep all the money. The 5% fee you pay to list the item is not refunded if you cancel the listing.

 

That’s two separate things. They are talking about buy orders (an offer to buy an item) and you’re talking about a listing to sell an item.

[Linken.6345]

> @"Steve The Cynic.3217" said:

> > @"Linken.6345" said:

> > > @"BunjiKugashira.9754" said:

> > > > @"Marckfast.8093" said:

> > > > Also to end, when you put a item to sell, but a bit ime later u want to remove it from the market place, why should we also pay those big taxes just for showing on a list?

> > >

> > >

> > > There are two reasons for this:

> > > 1. This prevents people from abusing the trading post as a storage expansion. Even though people still post items at ludicrous prices with the intention of never selling them, simply because their normal storage is full, they at least don't get to store their stuff for free.

> > > 2. This also effectively lowers prices on items. People are more likely to post their items at an affordable price, if they know that taking the item down and re-listing it at a lower price eats up any bonus gold they could have gotten by price gauging.

> >

> > Why would they do this when they can put in 5-500.000 bids on chac egg sacks for what ever anmunt they want to store and keep all the money when they delist the buy order?

>

> Because they *don't* keep all the money. The 5% fee you pay to list the item is not refunded if you cancel the listing.

 

They do if its buy orders not sell listings but as

 

> @"Inculpatus cedo.9234" said:

> ^How is putting a Buy Order on an item enabling one to store items on the Trading Post?

 

Says why would you pay to store 1 item on the trading post, read the one I quoted wrong first.

Its madness just salvage and move on or buy a mule its way cheaper and more slots.

[Steve The Cynic.3217]

> @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said:

> > @"Steve The Cynic.3217" said:

> > > @"Linken.6345" said:

> > > > @"BunjiKugashira.9754" said:

> > > > > @"Marckfast.8093" said:

> > > > > Also to end, when you put a item to sell, but a bit ime later u want to remove it from the market place, why should we also pay those big taxes just for showing on a list?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > There are two reasons for this:

> > > > 1. This prevents people from abusing the trading post as a storage expansion. Even though people still post items at ludicrous prices with the intention of never selling them, simply because their normal storage is full, they at least don't get to store their stuff for free.

> > > > 2. This also effectively lowers prices on items. People are more likely to post their items at an affordable price, if they know that taking the item down and re-listing it at a lower price eats up any bonus gold they could have gotten by price gauging.

> > >

> > > Why would they do this when they can put in 5-500.000 bids on chac egg sacks for what ever anmunt they want to store and keep all the money when they delist the buy order?

> >

> > Because they *don't* keep all the money. The 5% fee you pay to list the item is not refunded if you cancel the listing.

>

> That’s two separate things. They are talking about buy orders (an offer to buy an item) and you’re talking about a listing to sell an item.

 

Oops, yes. That will teach me, _again_, to read more carefully. But of course the talk of taxes is only relevant for sellers, and a no-taxes situation for "storage" sales is the only way you'd get free storage in the TP.