Randulf.7614 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 > @ThomasC.1056 said: > > @DarcShriek.5829 said: > > > @ThomasC.1056 said: > > > > @Randulf.7614 said: > > > > > @ThomasC.1056 said: > > > > > Who is that guy whom Rytlock talks to ? The very one that says "Aurene ?!" I truly hope he isn't. We never see the guy in PoF game, as far as I know, yet he seems to take a central part in the whole story, as we also saw him in PoF trailer. > > > > > > > > > > Ok. Straight and bold. > > > > > > > > > > Is that guy supposed to be the hero, aka the _Player's Character_ ? If so, what about players who chose another gender or another race ? > > > > > > > > > > **If so, how am I supposed to feel involved in the whole story if I'm watching _someone else_ live the story in the trailers ?** Are ANet's storytellers so far away from players that they're now telling _their own_ stories for _themselves_ ? Are the players bound to only be watchers of the whole plot ? > > > > > > > > Likely just a placeholder for us. Our hero is both "the" hero and a grand heroic adventurer depending on the context. There isn't anyway the trailer could actually show us, so they prob show a random Character in our place. > > > > > > > @"Carlin Sanders.3587" said: > > > > > @ThomasC.1056 said: > > > > > Who is that guy whom Rytlock talks to ? The very one that says "Aurene ?!" I truly hope he isn't. We never see the guy in PoF game, as far as I know, yet he seems to take a central part in the whole story, as we also saw him in PoF trailer. > > > > > > > > > > Ok. Straight and bold. > > > > > > > > > > Is that guy supposed to be the hero, aka the _Player's Character_ ? If so, what about players who chose another gender or another race ? > > > > > > > > > > **If so, how am I supposed to feel involved in the whole story if I'm watching _someone else_ live the story in the trailers ?** Are ANet's storytellers so far away from players that they're now telling _their own_ stories for _themselves_ ? Are the players bound to only be watchers of the whole plot ? > > > > > > > > You try designing a character that represents all races, all professions, all choices and both sexes at the same time. I'm sure anet would love to hear about this omni character. > > > > > > > > In the meantime i just mentally replace them with my main. > > > > > > Don't ask impossible things. They can't portrait each and every possibility, and I'm not asking that. > > > > > > As far as I remember, in previous trailers, they _never_ impersonated the main character in such an obvious and univocal way. Previously, I saw them : > > > * Use a small pack of people, which is fine because players can see them as "random generic characters following the crew", as Ardid said, > > > * Make known NPC's (Rytlock e.g.) talk without him being on screen (transitions, landscapes, black screens...), so that players can figure the Charr is talking to them > > > * Use the first person view in situations where the PC was supposed to be there. > > > > > > I'm sure there're plenty of other ways to let the viewer know that the PC is involved, without using a placeholder. I don't want to "mentally switch the placeholder with my main". I'm not watching a movie and dreaming I'm Gandalf the White. I'm playing a Role Playing Game, and I'm supposed to be the main character in it (or whatever other role can be). That guy isn't _my_ character. How am I supposed to feel like things are made for me as a player (who said "customer" ?) ? Then again, how am I supposed to feel involved ? > > > > > > There're things that I can understand and cope with because it's a MMORPG and I'm an adult. But this ! Using a placeholder in trailers ! It's a path that I fondly disagree with. What will be next ? Devs playing the whole new chapter on youtube while I'm watching ? A movie release ? Guild Wars 2 living story on Netflix ? > > > > > > It can be made without a placeholder. So please get rid of that nonsense, work your videos so that the player feels involved and in the center of the story. > > > > It's a trailer, is it really necessary to bust their kitten over it? > > Of course ! I'm supposed to be hyped. That's what a trailer is made for ! I'm supposed to be eager to log my character in, and go see Rytlock, share his hopes that Aurene still knows who her friends are, and watch the plot unveil as my character lives the whole story ! > > Right now, I'm no really hyped, because I saw Rytlock talk to some random guy that I don't know, about business that my character is supposed to be concerned about. > > We've had random PC placeholders in the trailers for a long time, whether for story or showing off things like Legendaries. At least since LS3, possibly a lot earlier too. I'd have to check the LS1/LS2 ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImTasty.2163 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 > @ThomasC.1056 said: > Who is that guy whom Rytlock talks to ? The very one that says "Aurene ?!" I truly hope he isn't. We never see the guy in PoF game, as far as I know, yet he seems to take a central part in the whole story, as we also saw him in PoF trailer. > > Ok. Straight and bold. > > Is that guy supposed to be the hero, aka the _Player's Character_ ? If so, what about players who chose another gender or another race ? > > **If so, how am I supposed to feel involved in the whole story if I'm watching _someone else_ live the story in the trailers ?** Are ANet's storytellers so far away from players that they're now telling _their own_ stories for _themselves_ ? Are the players bound to only be watchers of the whole plot ? He's a place holder for our character. They need a main character there for the cutscene and you can't expect Anet to make a million different trailers and using every hero created to cater to each specific person. They have been doing this for a good while with the PoF trailer being the second most recent use of a place holder. I've seen people reach for something to complain about but this just takes the cake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orimidu.9604 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 > @ThomasC.1056 said: > Who is that guy whom Rytlock talks to ? The very one that says "Aurene ?!" I truly hope he isn't. We never see the guy in PoF game, as far as I know, yet he seems to take a central part in the whole story, as we also saw him in PoF trailer. > > Ok. Straight and bold. > > Is that guy supposed to be the hero, aka the _Player's Character_ ? If so, what about players who chose another gender or another race ? > > **If so, how am I supposed to feel involved in the whole story if I'm watching _someone else_ live the story in the trailers ?** Are ANet's storytellers so far away from players that they're now telling _their own_ stories for _themselves_ ? Are the players bound to only be watchers of the whole plot ? Wow, you're so good at overreaching that you should write for Salon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vyrulisse.1246 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 There's some mighty fine bait in the waters today. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamburger Jack.2543 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 > @ThomasC.1056 said: > > @Randulf.7614 said: > > > @ThomasC.1056 said: > > > Who is that guy whom Rytlock talks to ? The very one that says "Aurene ?!" I truly hope he isn't. We never see the guy in PoF game, as far as I know, yet he seems to take a central part in the whole story, as we also saw him in PoF trailer. > > > > > > Ok. Straight and bold. > > > > > > Is that guy supposed to be the hero, aka the _Player's Character_ ? If so, what about players who chose another gender or another race ? > > > > > > **If so, how am I supposed to feel involved in the whole story if I'm watching _someone else_ live the story in the trailers ?** Are ANet's storytellers so far away from players that they're now telling _their own_ stories for _themselves_ ? Are the players bound to only be watchers of the whole plot ? > > > > Likely just a placeholder for us. Our hero is both "the" hero and a grand heroic adventurer depending on the context. There isn't anyway the trailer could actually show us, so they prob show a random Character in our place. > > > @"Carlin Sanders.3587" said: > > > @ThomasC.1056 said: > > > Who is that guy whom Rytlock talks to ? The very one that says "Aurene ?!" I truly hope he isn't. We never see the guy in PoF game, as far as I know, yet he seems to take a central part in the whole story, as we also saw him in PoF trailer. > > > > > > Ok. Straight and bold. > > > > > > Is that guy supposed to be the hero, aka the _Player's Character_ ? If so, what about players who chose another gender or another race ? > > > > > > **If so, how am I supposed to feel involved in the whole story if I'm watching _someone else_ live the story in the trailers ?** Are ANet's storytellers so far away from players that they're now telling _their own_ stories for _themselves_ ? Are the players bound to only be watchers of the whole plot ? > > > > You try designing a character that represents all races, all professions, all choices and both sexes at the same time. I'm sure anet would love to hear about this omni character. > > > > In the meantime i just mentally replace them with my main. > > Don't ask impossible things. They can't portrait each and every possibility, and I'm not asking that. > > As far as I remember, in previous trailers, they _never_ impersonated the main character in such an obvious and univocal way. Previously, I saw them : > * Use a small pack of people, which is fine because players can see them as "random generic characters following the crew", as Ardid said, > * Make known NPC's (Rytlock e.g.) talk without him being on screen (transitions, landscapes, black screens...), so that players can figure the Charr is talking to them > * Use the first person view in situations where the PC was supposed to be there. > > I'm sure there're plenty of other ways to let the viewer know that the PC is involved, without using a placeholder. I don't want to "mentally switch the placeholder with my main". I'm not watching a movie and dreaming I'm Gandalf the White. I'm playing a Role Playing Game, and I'm supposed to be the main character in it (or whatever other role can be). That guy isn't _my_ character. How am I supposed to feel like things are made for me as a player (who said "customer" ?) ? Then again, how am I supposed to feel involved ? > > There're things that I can understand and cope with because it's a MMORPG and I'm an adult. But this ! Using a placeholder in trailers ! It's a path that I fondly disagree with. What will be next ? Devs playing the whole new chapter on youtube while I'm watching ? A movie release ? Guild Wars 2 living story on Netflix ? > > It can be made without a placeholder. So please get rid of that nonsense, work your videos so that the player feels involved and in the center of the story. How much would you care if it were a Krytan or Ascalonian PC, just wondering? I'm JUST WONDERING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamburger Jack.2543 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 ANYWAY. I'm so excited! It's coming out next week. I'm excited to see Aurene and hope uh, I am not paying for that boat as I am her Guardian. I wonder if over the course of the story we'll be dealing with Joko. I wonder if the Awakened are just doing what they think they should do or trying to take power for themselves? Someone mentioned this bringing "life" back into the PoF maps and man, if you're done with every everything already, I envy the time you have to spend on games. I'm still doing stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamburger Jack.2543 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 > @Zania.8461 said: > > @Shirlias.8104 said: > > I don't really like to be the main character tbh. > > I would have prefered to be part of a large crew, working with the name ones. > > > > The urge of being the main character is imho ruining part onsef the story and dialogues. > > Commander, to me! > We had that opportunity in Personal Story. Caused so much outcry that ANet changed the direction and made our character the focus for all future installments. And then murdered Trahearne just so people won't be upset over him hogging the "leader of the Pact" spot, replacing him with Logan and changing the position into desk job one. It hurts to read it so plainly but this is exactly what they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArenaNet Staff Gaile Gray.6029 Posted November 21, 2017 ArenaNet Staff Share Posted November 21, 2017 I love the trailer! I think it's one of the best yet -- great visuals, intriguing peeks at what's coming, and the music is super, too. I'm very excited for November 28th! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HazyDaisy.4107 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 If they wanted to let everyone know this random guy represents commanders everywhere, then they could've stuck a commander tag above his head in the trailer, but, that would probably look silly and generate even more discussion about a non issue. Moving on, why the 28th? Why not this week since alot of people are on vacation? Not that the wait is too difficult, just seems like it would've been better if released this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 > @HazyDaisy.4107 said: > If they wanted to let everyone know this random guy represents commanders everywhere, then they could've stuck a commander tag above his head in the trailer, but, that would probably look silly and generate even more discussion about a non issue. > > Moving on, why the 28th? Why not this week since alot of people are on vacation? Not that the wait is too difficult, just seems like it would've been better if released this week. Perhaps its not quite ready this week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneYenShort.3189 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 > @HazyDaisy.4107 said: > Moving on, why the 28th? Why not this week since alot of people are on vacation? Not that the wait is too difficult, just seems like it would've been better if released this week. Final testing and QA's seal of approval. Or QA's disapproval with management override. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khisanth.2948 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 > @HazyDaisy.4107 said: > If they wanted to let everyone know this random guy represents commanders everywhere, then they could've stuck a commander tag above his head in the trailer, but, that would probably look silly and generate even more discussion about a non issue. > > Moving on, why the 28th? **Why not this week since alot of people are on vacation?** Not that the wait is too difficult, just seems like it would've been better if released this week. A lot of people including ANet. That is a very bad time to do a release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shampanix.3928 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Yeah a very good trailer, probably best so far Anet, great job! Hyped here as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachenon.5270 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I dunno, man. I guess I'm just burned out on dragons, particularly those of the elder variety. I was really hoping dear ol' Kralky would, ya know, curl up and go back to sleep after that big meal. But no, evidently he's still got a hollow leg or two to fill up. Ah, well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArenaNet Staff Gaile Gray.6029 Posted November 21, 2017 ArenaNet Staff Share Posted November 21, 2017 On the other hand, some of us can't get enough Dragon Goodness . ;) > @Tachenon.5270 said: > I dunno, man. I guess I'm just burned out on dragons, particularly those of the elder variety. I was really hoping dear ol' Kralky would, ya know, curl up and go back to sleep after that big meal. But no, evidently he's still got a hollow leg or two to fill up. Ah, well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyWolf.8670 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 > @Ubi.4136 said: > > @Erasculio.2914 said: > > They really didn't have to begin the trailer pushing on us the very poor story point of "did you think the Six Gods were silent because we were gone? Nah, just kidding! We'll be gone from now on. kthb!". :/ > > Just because humans worshipped them, doesn't make them gods. Bacon is more worthy of being worshipped than those aliens. Chapter 2: To Eat a God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donari.5237 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 > @ThomasC.1056 said: > **If so, how am I supposed to feel involved in the whole story if I'm watching _someone else_ live the story in the trailers ?** Once you're actually playing the story, you'll see yourself in it. You'll even hear your voice actor do your lines. If you insist on the main character being -your- character and accept the script as -your- story, anyway. As far as I'm concerned, none of my many RP alts are the Commander or even terribly well connected at the high political level of any of the cultures. (Well, ok, I do have a Minister -- but he's a shill npc villain for a guildie's plot, not someone I designed). Their lives are affected, sometimes massively, by the LS events, and there's tons of spin-off story to be had, no need for them to be at the core for me to feel deeply involved in the evolving world. So the LS is the story of the game, and we get some agency in that we get to do the fights, but we're not really involved in what happens in the story any more than we are in watching a movie. I just saw the newest Thor, and I felt plenty involved even though not one character looked, acted, or talked remotely like me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsegames.3916 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 It was a nice trailer, but the plans at each LS now is a new map? Kinda worried a little with that, just hope is paranoia on my side on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenom.9457 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 > @rsegames.3916 said: > It was a nice trailer, but the plans at each LS now is a new map? Kinda worried a little with that, just hope is paranoia on my side on that. So far it's not so bad, and I'd rather have this problem and new maps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khisanth.2948 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 > @GreyWolf.8670 said: > > @Ubi.4136 said: > > > @Erasculio.2914 said: > > > They really didn't have to begin the trailer pushing on us the very poor story point of "did you think the Six Gods were silent because we were gone? Nah, just kidding! We'll be gone from now on. kthb!". :/ > > > > Just because humans worshipped them, doesn't make them gods. Bacon is more worthy of being worshipped than those aliens. > > Chapter 2: To Eat a God Eating Balthazar probably gave Kralkatorrik a horrible heartburn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarcShriek.5829 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 > @GreyWolf.8670 said: > > @Ubi.4136 said: > > > @Erasculio.2914 said: > > > They really didn't have to begin the trailer pushing on us the very poor story point of "did you think the Six Gods were silent because we were gone? Nah, just kidding! We'll be gone from now on. kthb!". :/ > > > > Just because humans worshipped them, doesn't make them gods. Bacon is more worthy of being worshipped than those aliens. > > Chapter 2: To Eat a God Or the Twilight Zone version " To Serve Gods" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inculpatus cedo.9234 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Is it just me, or .... why isn't there mention of this trailer, and today's new Gem Store items on the News Blog? There's been nothing since the 14th, and other than Gaile's post about 'no internet' which was very quickly removed....nothing about why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsegames.3916 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 > @Fenom.9457 said: > > > So far it's not so bad, and I'd rather have this problem and new maps Yeah, i know, its good, we are getting more fractals/raids too i think. Probably just paranoid here with the old "player population, more maps, and old content untouched" in my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightningWolfTigerBear.672 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Aurene is bigger now, Aurene griffon skin confirmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapax.3801 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 > @LightningWolfTigerBear.6725 said: > Aurene is bigger now, Aurene griffon skin confirmed. 3600 gems! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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