Panda.1967 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 > @lothefallen.7081 said: > With each mode in mind, there are builds that perform their roles (CC, DPS, bunker or tank) better than other builds would simply because traits and weapons are really limiting, even more so than the auxiliary combat systems in GW1. To clarify, you wouldn't use a Mace/Shield/Staff build on a Guardian if you were trying to maximize DPS just like you wouldn't use Sword traits if you're running a Hammer / Staff build. So essentially, when you say that "No matter what content I'm doing, I will NOT run a meta build," you're basically saying that you're willfully playing less smart, with less attention paid to synergy, which, in a closed and rigid auxiliary combat system like GW2 (because weapons are tied to skills as traits tied loosely to class mechanics and also weapons), means you are objectively playing sub-optimally because there is statistically less allowance for real depth, diversity, and variance. I'll never understand when people rally so much against meta builds, when they're pretty much the mathematical, logical default necessitated by the design of the modifiers available in the given system. When I say "I will NOT run a meta build" I mean exactly what I said. I will not intentionally run the PREDEFINED "Meta" builds that are posted up on site like metabattle or qtfy. What you describe is what Meta used to mean, and the only definition of meta that I actually agree with. I do make synergetic builds. I learn and understand how different weapons, skills, and traits interact together and make a build that is not only fun for me but effective at what I want to do on that character. And, yes sometimes that might include using a "suboptimal weapon choice" according to most, but I will tell you right now, those "suboptimal weapons" are very much viable and can be very reliable and effective choices. Also, let me highlight something in my earlier post that appears to have been ignored, because if it was read, this little dispute never would have occurred. > @Panda.1967 said: > **If I am running a meta build, it's purely by coincidence.** I play the builds that I enjoy, if one of them happens to be in the current meta, then the current meta is coincidentally in line with my playstyle. All of my builds are very much viable and some of which I would argue may very well be more optimal for various content than the current meta builds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Hide.6345 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 > @Fermi.2409 said: > "Discrimination: the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things" > > It's not unjust or prejudicial treatment, it's an objective statement that one set of weapons is capable of dealing more damage then another. Nothing more, nothing less. Then people don't allow those weapons not to be taken hence the words weapon discrimination. I also advocate for those weapons to get buffed, so they will be taken more. As for the phrase "weapon discrimination", I am going to continue to use it whether you agree with it or not. You have already lost that fight with me on it, so you can either accept it or ignore me using it. It's up to you because I am not changing the way I describe the meta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hevoskuuri.3891 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Situational. I often go for meta stat combinations and runes, but always choose my skills and weapons myself, and might tweak a trait or two to fit my playstyle. However, GW2 is largely based on combat; killing players in competitive modes and killing AI enemies in PvE. So obviously I want to be effective at that (or supporting/healing allies/tanking damage, whatever it is I want to do with my build). I don't see any reason to pick traits or utilities that have no synergy with the rest of the build, so you could say that I'm maxing out my efficiency, but not always how the meta tells me to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alga.6498 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 I play my own way, my own builds and my own gameplay style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega Mayhem.7163 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 My own tweaked reaper build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makai.3429 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 I don't mind using meta builds in group content since it's expected, but won't thumb my nose at people who prefer their own style. In open world I run some wacky stuff, and am excited for the possibilities in PoF (Condi Soulbeast Bruiser plus Thorn Runes springs to mind). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan.5170 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 I rarely run a straight meta build, though I might peruse them for ideas. Mostly I play whatever catches my fancy. When I get bored of one, I'll make another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry.5713 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 META. Since Most Efficient Tactic Avaible is a very loose term that allows you to run different builds depending on the current situation nor do I consider changing minor things such as a single utility a departure from the widely accepted META. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan.3472 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 2cPS Chronotank offchrono tempestdps druidmagix2 and yomama meta (switch to some CC if needed ^^) Sun Tzu :"If it kills in Raids' content it will kill anything anywhere else" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallesafe.5932 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 > @Rhanoa.3960 said: > Meta builds. Because I respect other people's time enough to not be a deadweight with a snowflake build. And I also enjoy having successful runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamy Lu.3865 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 For WvW and Fractals, I start from meta build and adapt it so that it suits me, because in my case, a build will work great only if I understand it properly and manage it OK. It is rare that I am capable to use a build 100%ly set up as given per metta battle input. I test it, I see where are my weaknesses with it, and I modify to close the gaps. :) For PvE, I use own builds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redfeather.6401 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I only do WvW and open PvE so I freestyle it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirlias.8104 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 For **PvE** i play meta build/equip ( though with some pugs i have to make some modifies, but untill now it's always fine ). Mostly for respect towards my team mates. **WvW** i tend to roam or assist the commanders from outside ( i play a thief, so there's no room for me in a organized squad ). Btw currently i am working on a revenant in order to teamplay. **SPvP** Non meta build, cause i play staff instead of d/p ( but traits and skills are the same ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunjiKugashira.9754 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I'm mostly playing meta builds with a few tweaks. Not because I'm letting someone dictate what I have to play, but because I like planning efficient builds and it just so happens that the meta produced a very similar build. When I first visited metabattle and similar sites I was like "So what's so special about this? I already knew this combination was good, but it's nice to see others think so too". The only exception is my golemancer build. Complete with golemancer runes and racial elite skill. I wouldn't even dream about playing this in group content though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohoni.6057 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I will play meta builds if they are fun, but if they are not fun, I'll try to tweak them to fit the more fun aspects of the class. I do want my build to be capable of success though, so I try to take advise on how best to optimize things, even when I ignore it because an ability is too fun to not use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbhalo.1547 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Bring meta to the group content, go nuts in the open world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaltys.7649 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I don't look up builds. I use my own instead, because figuring out what works is the fun part.. and using a build that someone else made doesn't give me any sense of accomplishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griever.8150 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Im the type of idiot who like to try really hard to make my own ideas work. Exception to that would be raiding since its a very static environement where you can figure optimal play entirely through mathing things out (which is also why this is a boring activity for me). But for pvp/overworld etc i play my own builds. Made it from nothing to gold in my first season playing my self-made Deadeye build so im happy with that approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 The poll is nonsensical. It asks which builds you want to play, and then defines one of the three options (poorly) as the one you want to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nausicca.6038 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 My tempest is meta for T4 fractals ( I don’t raid). All my other characters have custom or wvw oriented builds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddoctor.2738 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 > @Ashen.2907 said: > The poll is nonsensical. > > It asks which builds you want to play, and then defines one of the three options (poorly) as the one you want to play. Don't you know? Builds As Intended (How you Want to play) means non-meta because nobody would ever like playing a meta build, they are unfun builds that only the elitists run and casual players should avoid like the plague. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizler.8192 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I value meta because it gives me a baseline to start with. For example, my Mesmer and Thief hardly ever get play time so I don't know those classes well. I look up the meta and bam, ready to roll (but I usually start with Soldier or Carrion armor). I'll tweak it later as I learn the profession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westenev.5289 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Personally, I tend to think of "meta" builds as how a class was intended to be played (intended by Anet or not). It's just the logical extreme you'll eventually come to on your own if you hit a brick wall and aren't the sort to complain to ANET everytime something doesn't go your way. That being said, I think it's lazy to simply take guilds like Snowhawk or QTFY at their word - some specs are just too cool or aesthetically pleasing or fun to play to not be used. Perhaps raid builds are just utterly useless outside of their niche environments (PS Condi Warrior, I'm looking at you lol) For an example of good off-meta classes, one need only look to the Revenant - Destroyer of Breakbars, bringer of boons, hearer of imaginary voices. If class nazi's had their way, this class would be deleted from the game. :s EDIT: So long as a build has a "purpose" to help the group, and isn't played with random traits/stats/runes because "YOLO", I think it's okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusanyu.4057 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 For everything Power builds those rare times i go to raid i will switch to condi, Becuse boring meta forces me to. But i find Power builds much more fun to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben K.6238 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Not voting in this one because the options are poorly written. I always build my own, but most of the time I end up using something fairly close to the meta with a couple tweaks to suit the situations in which I play it. Sometimes I deliberately depart from meta builds to try a specific idea, but unsurprisingly those builds end up being less effective (otherwise, they would be meta wouldn't they?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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