zealex.9410 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 > @"Morwath.9817" said: > > @"zealex.9410" said: > > How about Anet reverts confusion and torment to their pre hot functionality. U know when they were absolutely fine. > > Quaggan is afraid it could affect PvE too much. Ik thats why i believe not allowing functionality splits is a silly choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinta.8906 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 what if they'd revert confusion to deal only damage on skill use instead of half of the possible damage all the time. just change it back as it was. ikr. as if. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K THEN.5162 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 They already do cause bleeding! Fighting them gives my brain severe aneurysms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felipe.1807 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 > @"Genesis.5169" said: > > @"Morwath.9817" said: > > > @"Genesis.5169" said: > > > > @"Morwath.9817" said: > > > > > @"Genesis.5169" said: > > > > > LOLNO > > > > > Did you make this thread to enrage a bunch of mesmers? > > > > > > > > > > Yeah lets get rid of the few defining feature that the mesmer has left because i can't be kitten to cleanse the condition and to take no action, ill give up confuse if power classes give up every single cc they have in there tool box. > > > > > > > > Ooo? Confusion isn't Mesmer defining feature, also Quaggan would remind you that we aren't talking about Mesmer and sources of confusion Mesmer has, but about Mirage and how new sources of confusion stack with old Mesmer sources of confusion resulting in too much confusion around. Do you tell Quaggan to take no action during 4 seconds of confusion, while confusion, bleed, torment and burning all are ticking on him and you're still attacking Quaggan meanwhile applying more confusion? > > > > > > > > Quaggan got confused by your post. > > > > > > Yes, if me and my clones just attack you for 4 seconds most classes except theives only loses roughly 20% of there hp less then a heal, Yes i'm tell you to take no action, No i'm not tell your to just afk and stand in place like an moron although your free to do that if you like, all you need to do is move around take no action or heal our other sources of condition does not hurt like our confuse does, consider it a trade. > > > > > > Or you could cleanse it. > > > > Ooo, but confusion is ticking even when Quaggan does nothing and whenever he tries to cleanse confusion with cleanse than isn't full cleanse Quaggan gets punished by cleansing e.g. bleed and torment instead of confusion and he takes damage from confusion, fooo! > > Man i had alot of typos in my post geez i gotta fixed tht. > You and i know confusion ticks do not hurt lol...lets not talk about conidition ticks and its whooping 136 damage in pvp. I guarantee to you that 20~30 stacks of confusion(which is normal for Mirage) dont hit for only "whooping 136 damage in pvp." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swagg.9236 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 > @"Genesis.5169" said: > Yes, if me and my clones just attack you for 4 seconds most classes except theives only loses roughly 20% of there hp less then a heal, I don't know where you get that number especially since you exclude eles (same health pool as thief) and disregard how arbitrarily huge the base HP differences are between HP tiers. > @"Genesis.5169" said: > Yes i'm tell you to take no action, No i'm not tell your to just afk and stand in place like an moron although your free to do that if you like, all you need to do is move around take no action or heal our other sources of condition does not hurt like our confuse does, consider it a trade. There is no trade in a scenario in which one player shouldn't/can't act while the other one gets to unload a button-mash barrage of tab-targeted auto-pursuit abilities that are all instant or near-instant. I can run vipers as well and deal high direct damage while conditions continue to tick. GW1 Blackout was a trade. GW2 mirage burst requires no timing or positioning investment on part of the mirage. They stealth and evade while bursting from range, and then they evade while backing off to safety. > @"Genesis.5169" said: > Or you could cleanse it. Meta mirage dumps around 5 unique conditions on a target with the initial burst. The only skill that would allow someone to consistently cleanse that many, easily-applied, low CD condis is probably Ether Renewal. Also, there's no guarantee that I'm going to cleanse the 20+ confusion stacks when there are 4 other condis on my bar and I only have a 3-condi cleanse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodzynald.5897 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 I wish that mirages were more resilient to damage, that their invulnerabilities and dodges gave them like... 80% damage reduction. Let them retain the mobility, but don't let them feel untouchable. Well that should apply to any invulnerability or damage immunities to prevent silly "5% hp left a passive/active saves my bum, I am so good" situations. PvP should be more punishing with mistakes and don't give anyone any feeling of safety even behind damage mitigation walls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taltevus.3289 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 > @"shinta.8906" said: > what if they'd revert confusion to deal only damage on skill use instead of half of the possible damage all the time. just change it back as it was. ikr. as if. No becasue then it would require people to try instead of waiting for passive damage to do the work. The only passive ticks should be Bleed and burn. Torment only if moving, Confusion only if using a skill. Poison reduces heal potential by x % per stack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPuppy.8970 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 > @"Taltevus.3289" said: > > @"shinta.8906" said: > > what if they'd revert confusion to deal only damage on skill use instead of half of the possible damage all the time. just change it back as it was. ikr. as if. > > No becasue then it would require people to try instead of waiting for passive damage to do the work. The only passive ticks should be Bleed and burn. Torment only if moving, Confusion only if using a skill. Poison reduces heal potential by x % per stack. I'd be ok with poison giving a slow health degen additionnaly though. Like -0.5% max health/sec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Fear.1624 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 When I play against a mirage..these lyrics come to mind: There must be some kind of way outta here Said the joker to the thief There's too much confusion I can't get no relief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morwath.9817 Posted December 26, 2017 Author Share Posted December 26, 2017 > @"Crab Fear.1624" said: > When I play against a mirage..these lyrics come to mind: > > There must be some kind of way outta here > Said the joker to the thief > There's too much confusion > I can't get no relief Ooo, and meanwhile Mirage is singin' You got the touch You got the power After all is said and done You've never walked, you've never run, You're a winner (...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqueFyre.5678 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Say it with me now, “Interesting” gameplay..... https://imgur.com/a/P2Yz6 Ps. Anet fix your Mobile Version your Image URL function still doesn’t Work on Mobile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor.6392 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 > @"BlaqueFyre.5678" said: > Say it with me now, “Interesting” gameplay..... > https://imgur.com/a/P2Yz6 > > Ps. Anet fix your Mobile Version your Image URL function still doesn’t Work on Mobile. Genesis advice: Wait it out. Don't move otherwise torment will hurt a lot. There are no cleanses on rev so just wait it out man! Easy! Mirage not OP! (PLZ DONT NERF MY FREELO EVEN THO IM NOT EVEN PLAT LOL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowpass.4236 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 > @"Razor.6392" said: > > @"BlaqueFyre.5678" said: > > Say it with me now, “Interesting” gameplay..... > > https://imgur.com/a/P2Yz6 > > > > Ps. Anet fix your Mobile Version your Image URL function still doesn’t Work on Mobile. > > Genesis advice: Wait it out. Don't move otherwise torment will hurt a lot. There are no cleanses on rev so just wait it out man! Easy! Mirage not OP! (PLZ DONT NERF MY FREELO EVEN THO IM NOT EVEN PLAT LOL) Because not moving against a class that can burst 30 stacks of confusion and 10 torment is a good idea. 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackjack.5621 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 What if mirage wasn't the only class that can contest 1 node while +1ing the other, that can fix matchups by rotating teammates and can 1v1 almost everything? Then maybe we could have a balanced game one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witcher.3197 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 > @"Blackjack.5621" said: > What if mirage wasn't the only class that can contest 1 node while +1ing the other, that can fix matchups by rotating teammates and can 1v1 almost everything? Then maybe we could have a balanced game one day. I think what truly broke things was the sword leap. Giving thief-like mobility to the class that already had portal was a mistake, and the same skill also comes with a spammable interrupt. Leap range on sword should be cut in half and their confusion application lowered. Stunbreak on dodge is kinda stupid as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqueFyre.5678 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 > @"witcher.3197" said: > > @"Blackjack.5621" said: > > What if mirage wasn't the only class that can contest 1 node while +1ing the other, that can fix matchups by rotating teammates and can 1v1 almost everything? Then maybe we could have a balanced game one day. > > I think what truly broke things was the sword leap. Giving thief-like mobility to the class that already had portal was a mistake, and the same skill also comes with a spammable interrupt. Leap range on sword should be cut in half and their confusion application lowered. > > Stunbreak on dodge is kinda stupid as well. Even without the Trait they can evade while Stunned or Channeling or Attacking. Don’t forget Big Karl has got a term for that “Interesting”Gameplay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeXeD.3042 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 > @"Morwath.9817" said: > > @"Crab Fear.1624" said: > > When I play against a mirage..these lyrics come to mind: > > > > There must be some kind of way outta here > > Said the joker to the thief > > There's too much confusion > > I can't get no relief > > Ooo, and meanwhile Mirage is singin' > > You got the touch > You got the power > > After all is said and done > You've never walked, you've never run, > You're a winner > > (...) > > ONE SHALL STAND ONE SHALL FALL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossaber.8934 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Just remove a little confusion application, reduce some duration, add ICD for EM and mirage will be in line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Fear.1624 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Another dag nabbin mirage thread!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyreborn.1938 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Forum nolife-troll, cant you stop necro'ing threads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zawn.9647 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 ...was never created? OH THE DREAM :love: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnfall.9573 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 "A master of illusion, misdirection, and control, the Mesmer subverts the damage-dealing capabilities of others, manipulating their perceptions to achieve personal goals" https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Mesmer Op, it is a bad idea; no ty (a look into memser role) \ (Interesting info on mesmer) https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Talk:Mesmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avigrus.2871 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 > @"NeXeD.3042" said: > > @"Morwath.9817" said: > > > @"Crab Fear.1624" said: > > > When I play against a mirage..these lyrics come to mind: > > > > > > There must be some kind of way outta here > > > Said the joker to the thief > > > There's too much confusion > > > I can't get no relief > > > > Ooo, and meanwhile Mirage is singin' > > > > You got the touch > > You got the power > > > > After all is said and done > > You've never walked, you've never run, > > You're a winner > > > > (...) > > > > > > ONE SHALL STAND ONE SHALL FALL! Arise Rodimus Prime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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