GenerationX.9178 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 I don't know if people noticed it but I saw mirage use the evade to safe stomp. No other class and evade while stomping....the dodge on mirage is already really strong but also being about to use it while stomping making it impossible to interrupt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loboling.5293 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 It's not OP, it's just like mist form or elixir S. Except on a 10 second cooldown, with 2 charges, and ways of speeding up the cooldown... Totally balanced. ;P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mist.6217 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Vs say using something that provides stability? or popping an invulnerable skill right before stomping? No other case can do either of those? Complaining about nothing just to complain is really silly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usnedward.9023 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 > @"GenerationX.9178" said: > I don't know if people noticed it but I saw mirage use the evade to safe stomp. No other class and evade while stomping....the dodge on mirage is already really strong but also being about to use it while stomping making it impossible to interrupt. Ummmm...wuuuut? Theif can spec to evade stomp :open_mouth: Kind of stomp and evade but you get the point. Your dodge ability is replaced by Bound, dealing damage to the area after you evade. Physical damage is increased for a period of time after you dodge. Bounding Dodger (4s): 10% Damage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drarnor Kunoram.5180 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Mesmers have always been able to do this with F4, though that is a much more significant cooldown than a dodge roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airdive.2613 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Well, and daredevil can finish people with his elite skill. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenerationX.9178 Posted February 9, 2018 Author Share Posted February 9, 2018 should know people would be like "oh its not op at all" evades have no where as long of cool down as the invul skills. basically mesmer can safe stomp anytime as long they have a dodge. oh its not op. least the other invul methods have cool down. the thief skill does auto stomp but you try fulling landing it with all the auto traits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bast.7253 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Finishing a ranger/Druid takes invuln. Constantly cc’d by pet and ranger just trying to press f! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt.7963 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 FYI the evade lasts 1 second. A finisher takes 3.5 seconds. At minimum you have to burn both evades to secure a stomp under CC pressure. Its far from fool proof and it definitely feels balanced considering what other classes have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatemaster.3590 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 We get the F4 evade, but can also spec to get stability for all F# skills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khisanth.2948 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 > @"Curt.7963" said: > FYI the evade lasts 1 second. A finisher takes 3.5 seconds. At minimum you have to burn both evades to secure a stomp under CC pressure. Its far from fool proof and it definitely feels balanced considering what other classes have. Sounds like stealthing would be more effective :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenerationX.9178 Posted February 9, 2018 Author Share Posted February 9, 2018 heres video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XDr6Olh6zg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illconceived Was Na.9781 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Most professions have several ways to stomp safely, including starting and canceling and restarting the stomp, feinting at opponents to get them to waste their interrupts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqueFyre.5678 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 But the fact that the Mirage Evades is 5 to 10 secs for an evade that doesn’t break any channel is just stupid strong but hey what is Balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 > @"BlaqueFyre.5678" said: > But the fact that the Mirage Evades is 5 to 10 secs for an evade that doesn’t break any channel is just stupid strong but hey what is Balance. Thats not fact. The mirage isnt a thief. They only got 2 dodges and each is 1s evade. Distortion is 1-3s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperadordf.2687 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Thief - Shadowstep Stomping + Easy access to Stealth + Impact Strike Warrior - Easy access to Stability Guardian - Easy access to Aegis + Stability Engineer - Elixir S Invul Stomping + Elixir S Stealth Toolbelt skill Ranger - Celestial Shadow + Longbow #3 (Don’t remember the name) + Blasting Smokescale’s Smoke field Elementalist - Mist Form These were the only ones I could remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor.6392 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 > @"Mist.6217" said: > Vs say using something that provides stability? or popping an invulnerable skill right before stomping? No other case can do either of those? Complaining about nothing just to complain is really silly... Do those have like 5s cooldown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vasdamas Anklast.1607 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 > @"Airdive.2613" said: > Well, and daredevil can finish people with his elite skill. Go figure. Daredevil has to equip that elite though. And mesmer get it all for free because you know...Queen Jennah is OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plushiesoda.8150 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Deleted in protest of anet leaving support ticket #7495730 without answer since October 10th 2019. It's sad how if this were a money-related issue you'd have answered within a couple of hours. At this point I'm not even mad, but disappointed by the mediocrity displayed by your community managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curunen.8729 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 My god it's 1s evade... If a mirage burns both dodges to cover 2/3rds of the stomp duration then they have to gtfo or eat damage. Or more accurately they have to time a single dodge to avoid any interrupts/damage during a stomp. Yes Mesmer can stab stomp (if chaos traited), blind stomp (duelling), tele stomp and invuln stomp. The first two are easily dealt with in a teamfight, the third is rare to waste skills unless in wvw, and the fourth has always been available on a medium/long cooldown. I don't see how mirage dodge is an issue when stomping - either teammates have to be aware of this and spread a couple of interrupts to catch them outside of the evade frames, or pressure and try to unload heavy damage/kill them aftwerwards if they burn both dodges to secure a stomp. Of course this is all assuming a stomp in a 1v2+ scenario or teamfight. It would be stupid to complain about it in a 1v1 because no matter the class the victor should finish the downed player unless they're bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenerationX.9178 Posted February 10, 2018 Author Share Posted February 10, 2018 Mirage evades are not balanced, Super Speed,Ambush Skill,Condition Removal,Stun break and 1 sec dodge. Get some dodge food and sigil of energy and you can dodge for days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqueFyre.5678 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 > @"Dawdler.8521" said: > > @"BlaqueFyre.5678" said: > > But the fact that the Mirage Evades is 5 to 10 secs for an evade that doesn’t break any channel is just stupid strong but hey what is Balance. > Thats not fact. The mirage isnt a thief. They only got 2 dodges and each is 1s evade. Distortion is 1-3s. > Oh really it’s not a fact that the cd of each Dodge is 5 to 10 seconds, or the fact it doesn’t break channels? Come on tell me where I was incorrect. Some people Might want to learn the game mechanics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor.6392 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 > @"plushiesoda.8150" said: > > @"Razor.6392" said: > > > @"Mist.6217" said: > > > Vs say using something that provides stability? or popping an invulnerable skill right before stomping? No other case can do either of those? Complaining about nothing just to complain is really silly... > > > > Do those have like 5s cooldown? > > do Mirage has access to 5sec invul or enough sustain to resist 3 hits after being CC ed? What class has 5 sec invul? Does power thief, ele or engi have enough sustain to resist 3 hits after being CCed? Mirage, like other classes, got the immune stomp through distorsion. Immunities last from 3 to 4 seconds usually, mesmer's fits there. Evade stomp is just the icing on top, something that other classes on similar footing lack. Your bias is showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plushiesoda.8150 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Deleted in protest of anet leaving support ticket #7495730 without answer since October 10th 2019. It's sad how if this were a money-related issue you'd have answered within a couple of hours. At this point I'm not even mad, but disappointed by the mediocrity displayed by your community managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor.6392 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 > @"plushiesoda.8150" said: > > @"Razor.6392" said: > > > @"plushiesoda.8150" said: > > > > @"Razor.6392" said: > > > > > @"Mist.6217" said: > > > > > Vs say using something that provides stability? or popping an invulnerable skill right before stomping? No other case can do either of those? Complaining about nothing just to complain is really silly... > > > > > > > > Do those have like 5s cooldown? > > > > > > do Mirage has access to 5sec invul or enough sustain to resist 3 hits after being CC ed? > > > > What class has 5 sec invul? Does power thief, ele or engi have enough sustain to resist 3 hits after being CCed? > > > > Mirage, like other classes, got the immune stomp through distorsion. Immunities last from 3 to 4 seconds usually, mesmer's fits there. Evade stomp is just the icing on top, something that other classes on similar footing lack. > > > > Your bias is showing. > > I don't even use mirage in pvp, too squishy to hold a point so not my play-style. > > Engineer has double elixir and more than enough stealth to cover a complete stomp, what kind of thief needs to stomp? if you ever see one doing that, please report him/her for match manipulation also... outside of team-fights, you cannot CC a good daredevil, a good weaver has more than enough sustain (something that mirage lacks) and can also pop up mist for it. On top of that unlike thief, engineer or weaver... or most power builds for what it matters, Mirage ain't a good elite to finish off downed people. > > Compare it to spellbreaker, druid or firebrand. Unless you're a rev or a necro Elusive mind is the smallest thing on a list of problems when dealing with a (even bad) Mirage at that kind of scenario. > > Noobtip: Distortion lasts for 1sec and elusive mind has an internal cooldown, you cannot cover the whole cast with evades. Sigh... First, not every weaver is a tank. Second, Engi elixir is on 48s cd. You cannot double elixir at will. Third, elusive mind has no cooldown. What are you even talking about? Lastly, distortion does _not_ last 1 second when used properly, that alone told me volumes about the kind of player that you are so I'll avoid replying anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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