Worst class in the game right now?

[DeceiverX.8361]

As a slight correction, necro needs support in sPvP largely because that since it's so strong, people know to focus the hell out of it or it'll easily win the game for its team. Its lack of damage immunity effects is what defines the counterplay; it otherwise shuts virtually everything else down.

 

The build variability is bad, reaper is horrible since the changes, and scourge is poorly-designed, but most of what you present above is preferential rather than a measure of the class overall.

 

Not to say people aren't reading the OP, but the scope of the question is just too broad to get a good/consistent answer for. For everyone that doesn't care about raid speedruns, the class as a whole is generally far from the bottom.

[Drson.4730]

Revenant for me sadly... he looks cool with awesome looking skill effects and the lore is interesing ...

 

Love the concept, the execution is clunky and uninteresting though :(

 

/personal opinion/

[trixantea.1230]

Reaper needs some tweaking in order to become competitive in both modes.

[Obtena.7952]

> @"Nimon.7840" said:

> > @"Obtena.7952" said:

> > > @"Nimon.7840" said:

> > > > @"DeceiverX.8361" said:

> > > > You need to break this poll up by game mode and by specialization for it to be useful in any capacity.

> > > >

> > > > The strongest specs in the PvP formats are the weakest ones in the PvE ones and vice versa. There is no universally-weak class, but there are massively under-performing specializations in various modes.

> > >

> > > Yeah maybe. Cause i think most people are just voting and not reading my description

> >

> > You simply spread your poll too wide and didn't get the answer you wanted to hear. You think people were going to ignore Scourge PVP/WvW performance when voting here? it might be of little consolation to you that necro PVE performance is trash, but that means quite a bit to people that want to maintain the status quo for WvW/PVP performance.

>

> I think you didnt understand or read the description of this poll either.

> I really meant what i said. Consider all gamemodes. Ill show you:

>

> Sure necro is still in a good spot in wvw. In pvp only if you get backup from your team. In pve its pretty bad. Viability check.

>

> But that was only one part of the poll.

>

> Gameplay, how much fun is it? Well thats not an objective question. But just spamming f-abilities (thats what you have to do in wvw or pvp in order to deal good dmg and most players are only looking for their dmg in these gamemodes. this i is no fun for me, thats just brainless.

>

> So if someone said that engi would need a rework, because its frustrating to play the piano like a champ in order to do good condidmg. I would understand and completely agree.

>

> So next point. Consider viable builds over all gamemodes so that includes pvp, pve, wvw and wvw roaming.

> Lets take the so much voted rev: it can be heal, condi and power, and is pretty good in this.

> Or lets take ranger. It can be condi,healer or power as well.

> Or guard. Condi,heal or power again.

>

> Necro can only be condi with like 2 trait changes if you go from pve to pvp or wvw.

>

> But most people were just giving reasons for one gamemode, why the class is bad.

> Or problems that other classes have as well.

>

> But i dont have to discuss this with someone who obviously read the discription, but didnt understand it.

>

>

>

 

No, I think it's simply vague and your fishing for a particular answer. I mean, it's unfair to say people's opinion about the worst class is wrong because you **think** they didn't understand what you said.

[Solori.6025]

I voted mesmer because I want to watch the world burn

[Jinn Galen.2468]

> @"Solori.6025" said:

> I voted mesmer because I want to watch the world burn

 

When I was first picking a class to play, I was heavily debating between mesmer and necro. I really like how mesmer plays with regards to functionality in all forms of pvp. I did my research and heard all the bad stuff about necro, but it had that dark, sadistic look.

 

In the end, I chose necro because I got turned off by the pink/purple energy and butterflies of the male mesmer xD

[Coolguy.8702]

Both Revenant and necro are strong in all gamemodes, Mesmer just keeps getting worse, literally since pof all Mesmer got are nerfs to all gameplay, regret making mine big time

[Lily.1935]

> @"Crossaber.8934" said:

> > @"Lily.1935" said:

> > > @"Crossaber.8934" said:

> > > > @"Lily.1935" said:

> > > > > @"Crossaber.8934" said:

> > > > > > @"Lily.1935" said:

> > > > > > > @"Crossaber.8934" said:

> > > > > > > > @"Nimon.7840" said:

> > > > > > > > > @"Dabrixmgp.4758" said:

> > > > > > > > > > @"Crossaber.8934" said:.

> > > > > > > > > > Scourge, still on the strong side in pve,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What drugs are you taking? Currently the only builds with worse DPS than Necros are support Druids and Chronos. The only place Necro has in PvE is as a storage mule.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ah well. It can do dmg. But you need 3 other scourges for that, to make up for the dps loss.

> > > > > > > > Dps loss from not taking a meta class. But if you can get 4-6 necros as dds. They might be doing way more dmg than other classes. Because of epidemic.

> > > > > > > > Well... that needs some adds

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There are 3 game modes in this game, scourge is at slight overpower state in 2/3 of mode, besides lower dps in pve, game wise scourge is still strong after all.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If dps is what your concern, the golem dps test is not accurate at all, power build especially melee class may appeared to have higher dps compare to full condition scourge, but it is a delusion because a golem will always eat every skill non stop because it never move, block, attack, deal cc to player. When condition damage at real boss are doing serious damage, power melee classes possibly deal 0 dps when they dodge, chasing, CCed.... Condition damage will always reflect a closer dps in actual fight than a power build perform, when you reduce 10% dps from a power build brench mark because of the above reason, it is actually not far ahead of a condition scourge can do. On the other hand, once condition is applied, it never got cleanse from a boss, it is relatively much easier to maintain full condition dps with shade compare to any dps power build.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Necromancer has a parasitic mechanic. It scales wildly depending on the situation. It doesn't function well in a group other than with other condi necromancers. Its a balancing nightmare. Its an attrition profession that gets weaker over time. It has little to no support for allies in a game that relies on supporting roles. Because of the way its mechanic works its busted in one game mode and almost useless in another. These are all traits of what the worst profession looks like.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What's bad about the revenant? It isn't a finished profession. That's it! It doesn't need its mechanic scrapped. It doesn't cause massive balancing problems. It isn't the worst or best at anything. Revenant needs to be finished by Arena net. It doesn't need a redesign. And we are talking about worst profession. Not "Which profession is the most unfinished".

> > > > >

> > > > > I agree that necromancer is extremely hard to balance between game mode.

> > > > >

> > > > > Scourge is extremely powerful at area denial with strong boon corruption, it is still way too powerful vs player even after nerf. But unfortunately, our pve enemy on the other hand, does not rely much on boon, nor boon spam; boon strip or corruption doesn't justify the true value of necromancer in RAID. But we can't deny that while 2/3 of the game mode, scourge is still very strong, thus give her less bargaining power being the worst class in most player's opinion.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am afraid necromancer may required an overhaul like mesmer in order to bring a better balance state to all game mode. For example, remove the baseline damage reduction from shroud, and provide trait options to choose one single trait from increase condition damage or increase power damage or reduce damage in shroud. This is similar to warrior that force a player to choose between berserker power or might make right for damage or sustain. PvP/WvW player can choose sustain shroud, while PvE player can take dps option. This may not be the best solution as it will make one core trait a must take over other core trait line.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > The Mesmer update they just got is minor in comparison to what the necromancer needs. We aren't just talking numbers and a single skill type with a few trait changes we are talking about a complete mechanic overhaul and likely 80 to 90% of all of the necromancers skills and traits changed or retooled to function.

> > > >

> > > > One change I'd make is make life force a slow regenerating resources that builds up over time. I'd still have the on death life force gain but limit the number of times the necromancer can benefit from deaths. My thought is about 3 deaths providing life force every 20 to 30 seconds. This makes it far easier to control across game modes and prevents necromancer from floundering in pvp and pve at times and forces them to spend their resources more wisely in wvw. This also opens up more attrition for the necromancer as they would he building power over time as opposed to struggling. This would also likely mean they couldn't get as much life force from skills, depending.

> > > > I'd also remove the damage reduction as you said. I'd make skills and healing available in shroud so it's a more advanced barrier as opposed to a sort of super armor. Retool the spectral skills to have a burn out effect while in shroud. So for example, you burn up your life force quicker but the benefit you'd gain would be superior. Such as spectral walk would be an invulnerability skill while in shroud but it's cost would double shroud's decay rate while it's active. Giving you a lot of reason to have the return skill to control just how much to burn. It's just an example.

> > > > I'd also do a complete overhaul on minions and change the entire function of core necromancer's death shroud to function more as a mixed choice between offense and defensive play. Where one choice clearly weakens the capability of the other as opposed to its awkward both and neither... I have a massive list of stuff I'd change and needs to be changed..

> > > >

> > > > Revenant.. I just want it to have 1 to 2 more weapons and about 12 more utility skills. One more for each legend and about 4 signets that can he used with any legend. This I think would put revenant in a healthy spot.

> > >

> > > Whatever overhaul is needed.

> > >

> > > Please bear in mind that mesmer was no way in any worst state before patch, yet they received a great overhaul. The focus is to make the class less frustration for other classes in pvp/wvw without destroy pve mesmer totally. Like most player voted, I don't think necro is in the worst state now compare to pre hot, but they do need some serious overhaul in order to reduce the class effectiveness in pvp/wvw and buff pve counter part. This is not an easy task and require a lot of time.

> >

> > This is why in my suggestion I say that shroud and life force need to be overhauled. Make them more streamline so that the mechanic isn't so swingy. Because everyone knows that life force either over preforms or under preforms. And thats because of how swingy it is. Making it a regenerating energy mechanic, all be it a really slow one I feel could be a step in the right direction. Arena net wants the necromancer to be an attrition profession? Well their mechanic needs to act like an attrition mechanic that gets better the longer the fight goes. A player could come up to a necromancer, intentionally bait out their life force and drain it, flee, let their skills recharge and come back and the necromancer's defenses are gone. This is only one aspect of my suggestion though. So I might make a lengthy post about it on the necromancer forms but this change, as simple as it sounds requires dozens of traits to be changed, dozens of skills to be changed and the Death Shroud, Reaper's Shroud and Shades to be changed. And that's JUST from changing how life force accumulates! That seemingly minor change has massive implications for everything around the necromancer. And I know this. Which Is why I said the necromancer needs close to a 90% of everything changed.

>

> Do you realise how much time it takes to redsign the class and how possibly the overhaul will endup destroying the class. Especially it is currently having good standing in 2/3 of game mode which agreed by majority players at the moment.

>

> This is not a place to discuss necro overhaul; it is indeed a poll to reflect most player believe Rev is in the worst state across all class and thats it. No matter what we suggested will not change the result of the poll.

 

The necromancer needed a redesign years ago. Just because it's difficult doesn't mean it doesn't need to happen. If it doesn't happen we will be having this same conversation in the next 4 years and the next 4 years after that until the game dies and the modding community gets a hold of GW2 when arena net inevitably bankrupts themselves and is absorbed into EA or something and the modded private server fixes the necromancer for them when only a few thousand people honestly care anymore. Who knows maybe by that point Anet will do right by their fans and make GW and GW2 open source... Yes part of this is a joke but necromancer redesign has been pushed by the community since year one.

[Crossaber.8934]

> @"Lily.1935" said:

> > @"Crossaber.8934" said:

> > > @"Lily.1935" said:

> > > > @"Crossaber.8934" said:

> > > > > @"Lily.1935" said:

> > > > > > @"Crossaber.8934" said:

> > > > > > > @"Lily.1935" said:

> > > > > > > > @"Crossaber.8934" said:

> > > > > > > > > @"Nimon.7840" said:

> > > > > > > > > > @"Dabrixmgp.4758" said:

> > > > > > > > > > > @"Crossaber.8934" said:.

> > > > > > > > > > > Scourge, still on the strong side in pve,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What drugs are you taking? Currently the only builds with worse DPS than Necros are support Druids and Chronos. The only place Necro has in PvE is as a storage mule.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ah well. It can do dmg. But you need 3 other scourges for that, to make up for the dps loss.

> > > > > > > > > Dps loss from not taking a meta class. But if you can get 4-6 necros as dds. They might be doing way more dmg than other classes. Because of epidemic.

> > > > > > > > > Well... that needs some adds

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There are 3 game modes in this game, scourge is at slight overpower state in 2/3 of mode, besides lower dps in pve, game wise scourge is still strong after all.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If dps is what your concern, the golem dps test is not accurate at all, power build especially melee class may appeared to have higher dps compare to full condition scourge, but it is a delusion because a golem will always eat every skill non stop because it never move, block, attack, deal cc to player. When condition damage at real boss are doing serious damage, power melee classes possibly deal 0 dps when they dodge, chasing, CCed.... Condition damage will always reflect a closer dps in actual fight than a power build perform, when you reduce 10% dps from a power build brench mark because of the above reason, it is actually not far ahead of a condition scourge can do. On the other hand, once condition is applied, it never got cleanse from a boss, it is relatively much easier to maintain full condition dps with shade compare to any dps power build.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Necromancer has a parasitic mechanic. It scales wildly depending on the situation. It doesn't function well in a group other than with other condi necromancers. Its a balancing nightmare. Its an attrition profession that gets weaker over time. It has little to no support for allies in a game that relies on supporting roles. Because of the way its mechanic works its busted in one game mode and almost useless in another. These are all traits of what the worst profession looks like.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What's bad about the revenant? It isn't a finished profession. That's it! It doesn't need its mechanic scrapped. It doesn't cause massive balancing problems. It isn't the worst or best at anything. Revenant needs to be finished by Arena net. It doesn't need a redesign. And we are talking about worst profession. Not "Which profession is the most unfinished".

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I agree that necromancer is extremely hard to balance between game mode.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Scourge is extremely powerful at area denial with strong boon corruption, it is still way too powerful vs player even after nerf. But unfortunately, our pve enemy on the other hand, does not rely much on boon, nor boon spam; boon strip or corruption doesn't justify the true value of necromancer in RAID. But we can't deny that while 2/3 of the game mode, scourge is still very strong, thus give her less bargaining power being the worst class in most player's opinion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am afraid necromancer may required an overhaul like mesmer in order to bring a better balance state to all game mode. For example, remove the baseline damage reduction from shroud, and provide trait options to choose one single trait from increase condition damage or increase power damage or reduce damage in shroud. This is similar to warrior that force a player to choose between berserker power or might make right for damage or sustain. PvP/WvW player can choose sustain shroud, while PvE player can take dps option. This may not be the best solution as it will make one core trait a must take over other core trait line.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The Mesmer update they just got is minor in comparison to what the necromancer needs. We aren't just talking numbers and a single skill type with a few trait changes we are talking about a complete mechanic overhaul and likely 80 to 90% of all of the necromancers skills and traits changed or retooled to function.

> > > > >

> > > > > One change I'd make is make life force a slow regenerating resources that builds up over time. I'd still have the on death life force gain but limit the number of times the necromancer can benefit from deaths. My thought is about 3 deaths providing life force every 20 to 30 seconds. This makes it far easier to control across game modes and prevents necromancer from floundering in pvp and pve at times and forces them to spend their resources more wisely in wvw. This also opens up more attrition for the necromancer as they would he building power over time as opposed to struggling. This would also likely mean they couldn't get as much life force from skills, depending.

> > > > > I'd also remove the damage reduction as you said. I'd make skills and healing available in shroud so it's a more advanced barrier as opposed to a sort of super armor. Retool the spectral skills to have a burn out effect while in shroud. So for example, you burn up your life force quicker but the benefit you'd gain would be superior. Such as spectral walk would be an invulnerability skill while in shroud but it's cost would double shroud's decay rate while it's active. Giving you a lot of reason to have the return skill to control just how much to burn. It's just an example.

> > > > > I'd also do a complete overhaul on minions and change the entire function of core necromancer's death shroud to function more as a mixed choice between offense and defensive play. Where one choice clearly weakens the capability of the other as opposed to its awkward both and neither... I have a massive list of stuff I'd change and needs to be changed..

> > > > >

> > > > > Revenant.. I just want it to have 1 to 2 more weapons and about 12 more utility skills. One more for each legend and about 4 signets that can he used with any legend. This I think would put revenant in a healthy spot.

> > > >

> > > > Whatever overhaul is needed.

> > > >

> > > > Please bear in mind that mesmer was no way in any worst state before patch, yet they received a great overhaul. The focus is to make the class less frustration for other classes in pvp/wvw without destroy pve mesmer totally. Like most player voted, I don't think necro is in the worst state now compare to pre hot, but they do need some serious overhaul in order to reduce the class effectiveness in pvp/wvw and buff pve counter part. This is not an easy task and require a lot of time.

> > >

> > > This is why in my suggestion I say that shroud and life force need to be overhauled. Make them more streamline so that the mechanic isn't so swingy. Because everyone knows that life force either over preforms or under preforms. And thats because of how swingy it is. Making it a regenerating energy mechanic, all be it a really slow one I feel could be a step in the right direction. Arena net wants the necromancer to be an attrition profession? Well their mechanic needs to act like an attrition mechanic that gets better the longer the fight goes. A player could come up to a necromancer, intentionally bait out their life force and drain it, flee, let their skills recharge and come back and the necromancer's defenses are gone. This is only one aspect of my suggestion though. So I might make a lengthy post about it on the necromancer forms but this change, as simple as it sounds requires dozens of traits to be changed, dozens of skills to be changed and the Death Shroud, Reaper's Shroud and Shades to be changed. And that's JUST from changing how life force accumulates! That seemingly minor change has massive implications for everything around the necromancer. And I know this. Which Is why I said the necromancer needs close to a 90% of everything changed.

> >

> > Do you realise how much time it takes to redsign the class and how possibly the overhaul will endup destroying the class. Especially it is currently having good standing in 2/3 of game mode which agreed by majority players at the moment.

> >

> > This is not a place to discuss necro overhaul; it is indeed a poll to reflect most player believe Rev is in the worst state across all class and thats it. No matter what we suggested will not change the result of the poll.

>

> The necromancer needed a redesign years ago. Just because it's difficult doesn't mean it doesn't need to happen. If it doesn't happen we will be having this same conversation in the next 4 years and the next 4 years after that until the game dies and the modding community gets a hold of GW2 when arena net inevitably bankrupts themselves and is absorbed into EA or something and the modded private server fixes the necromancer for them when only a few thousand people honestly care anymore. Who knows maybe by that point Anet will do right by their fans and make GW and GW2 open source... Yes part of this is a joke but necromancer redesign has been pushed by the community since year one.

 

Which sentence i said the overhaul is not needed? I said it is not an easy task and require a lot of time. There are a lot of things need to do for the dev, the skill split proposed today is a right direction and it is a start, i wish we can see that light for necro sooner or later. But this is not the place to discuss the changes, you are free to start another thread for that sole purpose.

[OriOri.8724]

> @"DeceiverX.8361" said:

> You need to break this poll up by game mode and by specialization for it to be useful in any capacity.

>

> The strongest specs in the PvP formats are the weakest ones in the PvE ones and vice versa. There is no universally-weak class, but there are massively under-performing specializations in various modes.

 

Doesn't change that some classes have fundamentally better or worse designs. Revenant has a pretty shit design, and its pretty amazing the lengths that ANet will jump through to work with that design. The thief initiative mechanic, while not as bad, could stand to be reworked as well. The concept of Necro using death shroud both offensively and as its main defensive tool has simply not kept up with the current state of the game, to the point where I think the class needs a redesign, but not on the same level that mesmer got (either turning shroud into a purely defensive tool, or chancing how it works to be an offensive tool people can play against, and then moving more defenses over to the base necro kit outside of shroud)

[Lily.1935]

> @"OriOri.8724" said:

> > @"DeceiverX.8361" said:

> > You need to break this poll up by game mode and by specialization for it to be useful in any capacity.

> >

> > The strongest specs in the PvP formats are the weakest ones in the PvE ones and vice versa. There is no universally-weak class, but there are massively under-performing specializations in various modes.

>

> Doesn't change that some classes have fundamentally better or worse designs. Revenant has a pretty kitten design, and its pretty amazing the lengths that ANet will jump through to work with that design. The thief initiative mechanic, while not as bad, could stand to be reworked as well. The concept of Necro using death shroud both offensively and as its main defensive tool has simply not kept up with the current state of the game, to the point where I think the class needs a redesign, but not on the same level that mesmer got (either turning shroud into a purely defensive tool, or chancing how it works to be an offensive tool people can play against, and then moving more defenses over to the base necro kit outside of shroud)

 

Necromancer needs a much more involved redesign than Mesmer. Because of the nature of the mechanic you can do anything smaller than 78% redesign without ruining the profession.

[xLiFToFF.5938]

I honestly forgot there was a revenant class.

[stone cold.8609]

For me, it's engineer, with revenant a close second. Those are the 2 classes that I don't see many people playing, aren't really meta for anything, and that I know have major issues that need to be addressed.

 

[Nimon.7840]

Ok. I now played some more rev. An i admit, that it has its weaknesses. But every class has them.

Rev is one of those, that have some more weaknesses. It sometimes feels rlly clunky.

But i dont think the energy system is the problem.

Its the same as it is with necromancer. If you want to do dmg, then you have to take certain traits. If you take any other, its a huge dmg loss.

 

But for real. I think necro is in a much higher need of a rework right now.

No real good defenses, no real good offenses, no mobility.

Most useful as afk farming charakter.

 

Core condi engi will need a buff as well. The rotation is maybe even more difficult than ele, and ele does a shitload of dmg, ingi doesnt.

And why? Because ele has 3k less health?

 

Thats no fair. If we let them fight against each other, ele will do one auto of fire, and engi is below 10k hp.

Same goes for necro btw.

Why is warrior allowed to do 35k+ dmg and necro isnt?

Warrior is way more tanky, while playing zerker, than necro is.

 

And if we look at the newest wvw/pvp splits, necro is in need of a rework even more.

 

Its like it always is. Buffing some really useless things, that still wont be taken, nerfing the real good things, but not giving other options.

[Unknown.3976]

Necro just needs some tweaking to its' parameters, a rework is overkill.

 

Save the rework for classes like rev and core engie. Core engie is rarely played becuz its' rotation is clunky and awkward and many of its' skills are under-tuned or useless. Photon Forge does a great job of hiding the many problems that lie with core engie but that does not excuse the poor state that core engie is in.

[Xruptor.3965]

It's a shame that certain professions/classes are in this state. There are many white knights for particular classes that get the shaft. Though I personally enjoy the Engineer and have been playing from launch, I feel that it's current state is just a cluster of broken skills and mechanics. Scrapper is one of the least played elite specs and is a complete mess. Holosmith was a step in the right direction but considering all other kits/skills the Engineer has to offer, it falls flat. Core engi got somewhat of a slap with the recent changes. That's not to say the class isn't without it's charm. Just that many feel it's one pile of broken mess that never seems to get fixed. Perhaps like Mesmer, Engineer and Revenant need a complete overhaul.

 

This is all my personal opinion of course. Duh!

[Vagrant.7206]

> @"Xruptor.3965" said:

> It's a shame that certain professions/classes are in this state. There are many white knights for particular classes that get the shaft. Though I personally enjoy the Engineer and have been playing from launch, I feel that it's current state is just a cluster of broken skills and mechanics. Scrapper is one of the least played elite specs and is a complete mess. Holosmith was a step in the right direction but considering all other kits/skills the Engineer has to offer, it falls flat. Core engi got somewhat of a slap with the recent changes. That's not to say the class isn't without it's charm. Just that many feel it's one pile of broken mess that never seems to get fixed. Perhaps like Mesmer, Engineer and Revenant need a complete overhaul.

>

> This is all my personal opinion of course. Duh!

 

I think the engineer class itself has the most charm; it's got perhaps the most interesting and varied set of skills in the entire game. The time I first used a personal battering ram, I fell in love with it.

 

The problem is that the interesting skills are virtually worthless, and the boring ones are passable, but not great. It very much feels like a class where ArenaNet threw a bunch of ideas at a wall to see what stuck, and didn't bother following every path all the way through.

[Obtena.7952]

> @"Nimon.7840" said:

> Thats no fair.

 

This is the main reason people fail at having a realistic view of the game. It's not about what is fair; it never has been. Imposing 'fair' onto things to justify changes doesn't make sense in a game where fairness wasn't considered in the first place.

[Alga.6498]

Unfinished profession.

[ZeftheWicked.3076]

I voted Thief.

 

Reason being all of his one and a half (daredevil) elite specs are more of the same! Core thief? DPS. Daredevil? DPS. Deadeye? DPS.

Other professions got some role variety in at least one of their spec. Warriors can become tanks and boonrippers with spellbreaker spec, rangers have druid for healing and tanking, Revenants got two support specs (defensive and offensive), Mesmers got chrono for tanking and support etc, etc.

 

Thief? Always dps..

[Echoherb.6528]

> @"Eramonster.2718" said:

> I think scourge is still preferred or viable. Reaper is ok, not the best in dmg but still fun and good for certain situation and gameplays. If its core class profession, its hard to find ranger and necros. But it is possible to find necros in PvE contents once in a while, but never a ranger based on my exp. You will find druids and maybe some soulbeast, just like scourge and reaper.

>

> Altho I'm not sure why engi is not used in less challenging content, it is versatile and very much viable.

 

What? I see a ton of rangers, one of the most common classes I see in PVE. Core engi is indeed rare though

[Saiyan.1704]

Ever ask yourself, "I would rather have X class instead of him."? I do.. everytime I see a **Rev** on my team.

 

As of March 11, 2017 everyone should be voting for Revenant as the underdog. I understand everyone's concerns for the class they main. Thinking, "will I get nerfed yet **again?**" But hey, at least you're still a highly viable (arguably OP) class.

 

What's funny here is seeing OP classes on that list get voted as "worse". Get real XD

[GWMO.4785]

Thief, easily

 

> @"GWMO.4785" said:

> The fact is that Thief just does not excel at anything. In pve there are other classes that can output more damage in the first place. Thief can be useful for skipping parts or when there are adds involved duo to blind. But again there are other classes that can do that just as good if not better.

 

> In PvP, decapping a capture point and outnumbering opponent is basically the role for thief here. Which can be done by other classes just as fine. Not to mention they can sustain more too.

 

> For WvW, in Zergs thieves usually gets kicked off squad when its (nearly) full to make room for prime classes like guard or necro. So you have to relly on your own. Best you can do is pick people off left and right. Or play a gimmick stealth medic build. Either way not that effective now- days. Suppose its nice for small group or solo roaming. But i mean.. each class has its ups and downs here.

[BeepBoopBop.5403]

> @"Saiyan.1704" said:

> Ever ask yourself, "I would rather have X class instead of him."? I do.. everytime I see a **Rev** on my team.

>

> As of March 11, 2017 everyone should be voting for Revenant as the underdog. I understand everyone's concerns for the class they main. Thinking, "will I get nerfed yet **again?**" But hey, at least you're still a highly viable (arguably OP) class.

>

> What's funny here is seeing OP classes on that list get voted as "worse". Get real XD

 

Yes

[Azure The Heartless.3261]

Obviously rev. It's clunky and mildly upsetting to play in all game modes.