DaShi.1368 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 I just played against one and lost badly. High damage, high evades, high cc, instant teleport, unblockable attacks, and no cooldown on skills. How do you counter something like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeknar.6184 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 By playing Mirage. It have Conditions, High Damage, Conditions, High CC, Conditions, High Mobility, Conditions, Mirage Cloak, Conditions... Have I mentioned conditions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyreborn.1938 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 > @"Jeknar.6184" said: > By playing Mirage. It have Conditions, High Damage, Conditions, High CC, Conditions, High Mobility, Conditions, Mirage Cloak, Conditions... Have I mentioned conditions? Feel free to remove high mobility and high cc and leave only conditions and you are there :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaShi.1368 Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 I don't want to change my class or build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 > @"DaShi.1368" said: > I don't want to change my class or build. *Silently files nails* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus.3192 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 > @"DaShi.1368" said: >and no cooldown on skills. I wish you had started your sentence with that. I wouldn't have had to read the rest of the sentence, since you completely invalidated your entire post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaShi.1368 Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 So I need to change everything just to play against one class? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snellibee.2761 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 "I died by someone who is better then me, better nerf the entire class." Is all I'm reading here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyreborn.1938 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 > @"Snellibee.2761" said: > "I died by someone who is better then me, better nerf the entire class." Is all I'm reading here. Implying if revenant killed you means he is better than you ... Ppl still delusional about it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abelisk.4527 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Revenants tend to use up their defenses. After all that is set and done, defeat them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snellibee.2761 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 > @"tinyreborn.1938" said: > > @"Snellibee.2761" said: > > "I died by someone who is better then me, better nerf the entire class." Is all I'm reading here. > Implying if revenant killed you means he is better than you ... Ppl still delusional about it ? I didn't say the Rev was better because he killed him, it was clear from the post that OP doesn't know anything about Revenant and their kit and just got outskilled. Revenant does not have any high CC whatsoever. Evades neither. No instant teleport, he has 2 shadowsteps; One with 1200 range that has an animation and can be interrupted. One with 600 range that is instant. Rev has 2 unblockable attacks after using shiro's shadowstep and one unblockable attack with shiro's F2(barely good), but it has a high energy cost so you can't just spam it like op makes it look like they can. Revenant has CD on skills. So this is really a l2p issue here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaShi.1368 Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 Rev has evade and cc on staff on one skill. Sword has a ton of evades and a no cd stun break/dodge. Then there are cc in Shiro and Glint. Staff also has another cc, but it has a very easy to meet condition before it becomes an AoE cc. It also has a teleport on sword 5 and the Shiro one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyreborn.1938 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 > @"Snellibee.2761" said: > > @"tinyreborn.1938" said: > > > @"Snellibee.2761" said: > > > "I died by someone who is better then me, better nerf the entire class." Is all I'm reading here. > > Implying if revenant killed you means he is better than you ... Ppl still delusional about it ? > > I didn't say the Rev was better because he killed him, it was clear from the post that OP doesn't know anything about Revenant and their kit and just got outskilled. > Revenant does not have any high CC whatsoever. Evades neither. No instant teleport, he has 2 shadowsteps; One with 1200 range that has an animation and can be interrupted. One with 600 range that is instant. Rev has 2 unblockable attacks after using shiro's shadowstep and one unblockable attack with shiro's F2(barely good), but it has a high energy cost so you can't just spam it like op makes it look like they can. Revenant has CD on skills. > > So this is really a l2p issue here. I stopped to read at 'evades either' because they can chain lots of evades . Not long time ago Poosi was complaining about revs and been blown away from full to zero instant xD was hilarious to watch . Also no idea what op playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snellibee.2761 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 > @"tinyreborn.1938" said: > > @"Snellibee.2761" said: > > > @"tinyreborn.1938" said: > > > > @"Snellibee.2761" said: > > > > "I died by someone who is better then me, better nerf the entire class." Is all I'm reading here. > > > Implying if revenant killed you means he is better than you ... Ppl still delusional about it ? > > > > I didn't say the Rev was better because he killed him, it was clear from the post that OP doesn't know anything about Revenant and their kit and just got outskilled. > > Revenant does not have any high CC whatsoever. Evades neither. No instant teleport, he has 2 shadowsteps; One with 1200 range that has an animation and can be interrupted. One with 600 range that is instant. Rev has 2 unblockable attacks after using shiro's shadowstep and one unblockable attack with shiro's F2(barely good), but it has a high energy cost so you can't just spam it like op makes it look like they can. Revenant has CD on skills. > > > > So this is really a l2p issue here. > > I stopped to read at 'evades either' because they can chain lots of evades . Not long time ago Poosi was complaining about revs and been blown away from full to zero instant xD was hilarious to watch . > Also no idea what op playing Revenant has no acces to vigor unlike any class. So you'll have a slow endurance regeneration and less dodges than other classes. Besides dodges Revenant has 3 skills that can evade attacks. Staff 5 wich has a 20s CD. Shiro's Riposting Shadows wich uses 30 energy on use. Sword 3 wich 7-10 times bugs out and doesn't want to work properly(fix this anet). Anyone saying Revenant has a lot of evades are completely delusional and forget about Mesmers, Weavers and thiefs who have way more evades. Also if a Revenant was supposed to chain Riposting Shadow he will be unable to attack for a long time as he would be without any energy to use offensive skills. Again, this is a l2p issue. OP got destroyed by someone he doesn't know how to play against and asks for nerfs after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaShi.1368 Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 I play power herald rev. And another one beat me! :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snellibee.2761 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 > @"DaShi.1368" said: > Rev has evade and cc on staff on one skill. Sword has a ton of evades and a no cd stun break/dodge. Then there are cc in Shiro and Glint. Staff also has another cc, but it has a very easy to meet condition before it becomes an AoE cc. It also has a teleport on sword 5 and the Shiro one. Sword has one evade wich 7/10 times doesn't even work. Sword does not have any no CD stunbreak/dodge. Shiro has but like I said before, it uses 30 energy . Using riposting shadows makes it so the Revenant is unable to attack after due to no energy. ez kill. Nobody uses Shiro's elite ability to stun people, 50 energy on use is not worth it and you'll barely even have so much energy on Shiro anyway. The only CC Revenant has that is worth using is 20s CD staff 5 and 45s CD Glint elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyreborn.1938 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 > @"Snellibee.2761" said: > Revenant has no acces to vigor unlike any class. So you'll have a slow endurance regeneration and less dodges than other classes. Besides dodges Revenant has 3 skills that can evade attacks. Staff 5 wich has a 20s CD. Shiro's Riposting Shadows wich uses 30 energy on use. Sword 3 wich 7-10 times bugs out and doesn't want to work properly(fix this anet). > > Anyone saying Revenant has a lot of evades are completely delusional and forget about Mesmers, Weavers and thiefs who have way more evades. So im delusional because rev actually can chain lots of evades? Nice logic dud , you forgot that RS also give endurance for using it . He can swap legend after exhausting shiro as well to . But thats not my business really xD > @"DaShi.1368" said: > I play power herald rev. And another one beat me! :angry: xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alatar.7364 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 > @"DaShi.1368" said: > Rev has evade and cc on staff on one skill. Sword has a ton of evades and a no cd stun break/dodge. Then there are cc in Shiro and Glint. Staff also has another cc, but it has a very easy to meet condition before it becomes an AoE cc. It also has a teleport on sword 5 and the Shiro one. Sword has one interruptable evade skill, hardly a "ton". Shiro cc is one of the most telegraphed skills in the game and will cost Rev his entire fighting capabilities for next several seconds, no good Rev will ever use that unless super convenient scenario, only the Glint one is good. Good sneaky job mentioning staff CC twice, almost fell for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snellibee.2761 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 > @"tinyreborn.1938" said: > > @"Snellibee.2761" said: > > Revenant has no acces to vigor unlike any class. So you'll have a slow endurance regeneration and less dodges than other classes. Besides dodges Revenant has 3 skills that can evade attacks. Staff 5 wich has a 20s CD. Shiro's Riposting Shadows wich uses 30 energy on use. Sword 3 wich 7-10 times bugs out and doesn't want to work properly(fix this anet). > > > > Anyone saying Revenant has a lot of evades are completely delusional and forget about Mesmers, Weavers and thiefs who have way more evades. > So im delusional because rev actually can chain lots of evades? Nice logic dud , you forgot that RS also give endurance for using it . He can swap legend after exhausting shiro as well to . But thats not my business really xD If you think Revenant has the same amount of evades like Weaver, mesmer or thief do then yeah you're delusional. In order to even be close to chaining dodges you need to be in shiro, a very fragile stance with barely any healing. Any revenant in shiro can be easily killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mini Crinny.6190 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 I think we can say that according to 99% of the playerbase, every class needs a nerf so long as it's not the class they play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herrmartell.7109 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 > @"Mini Crinny.6190" said: > I think we can say that according to 99% of the playerbase, every class needs a nerf so long as it's not the class they play Nope. Not revenants. They are too easy to munch as they are. I almost feel bad everytime I kill one. Almost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus.3192 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 > @"DaShi.1368" said: > I play power herald rev. And another one beat me! :angry: sure you do.... not according to the statements you have been making. Unless when you say you play power rev, you mean you just made one yesterday and took into pvp for a couple matches, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apharma.3741 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 > @"Snellibee.2761" said: > > @"tinyreborn.1938" said: > > > @"Snellibee.2761" said: > > > > @"tinyreborn.1938" said: > > > > > @"Snellibee.2761" said: > > > > > "I died by someone who is better then me, better nerf the entire class." Is all I'm reading here. > > > > Implying if revenant killed you means he is better than you ... Ppl still delusional about it ? > > > > > > I didn't say the Rev was better because he killed him, it was clear from the post that OP doesn't know anything about Revenant and their kit and just got outskilled. > > > Revenant does not have any high CC whatsoever. Evades neither. No instant teleport, he has 2 shadowsteps; One with 1200 range that has an animation and can be interrupted. One with 600 range that is instant. Rev has 2 unblockable attacks after using shiro's shadowstep and one unblockable attack with shiro's F2(barely good), but it has a high energy cost so you can't just spam it like op makes it look like they can. Revenant has CD on skills. > > > > > > So this is really a l2p issue here. > > > > I stopped to read at 'evades either' because they can chain lots of evades . Not long time ago Poosi was complaining about revs and been blown away from full to zero instant xD was hilarious to watch . > > Also no idea what op playing > > Revenant has no acces to vigor unlike any class. So you'll have a slow endurance regeneration and less dodges than other classes. Besides dodges Revenant has 3 skills that can evade attacks. Staff 5 wich has a 20s CD. Shiro's Riposting Shadows wich uses 30 energy on use. Sword 3 wich 7-10 times bugs out and doesn't want to work properly(fix this anet). > > Anyone saying Revenant has a lot of evades are completely delusional and forget about Mesmers, Weavers and thiefs who have way more evades. > > Also if a Revenant was supposed to chain Riposting Shadow he will be unable to attack for a long time as he would be without any energy to use offensive skills. > > Again, this is a l2p issue. OP got destroyed by someone he doesn't know how to play against and asks for nerfs after. Funny how you missed out the block on staff and that riposting shadows gives you half a dodge. You also forgot to mention how phase traverse and deathstrike can be used both offensively and defensively. Also LUL at complaining about weaver evades, sure it's annoying and objectively too much but a weaver ain't going to 100-0 you in 1-2s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuickFox.3826 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 A couple of months ago, Revenant was heavily complained about to be the most useless profession in PvP. And now it needs a nerf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herrmartell.7109 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 > @"apharma.3741" said: > a weaver ain't going to 100-0 you in 1-2s. A revenant shouldn't either. Just go back to sPvP and get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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