Ferahn.2896 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Bunker builds are very dominant right now. If you're alone and you see one standing on a point there's next to no chance that you gonna be able to take it off him. Depending on the build that you're using you might be able to do it if you spend a ludicrous amount of time, but that is as far from efficient that you can get. I know that myself and others find bunker builds to be as anti-fun that you can get. Fighting them feels hopeless unless you're 3 people, 2 depending on builds. The amount of times I've seen people write in chat "Just leave the scrapper there" when people kept running and spending 2-3 minutes fighting him is starting to stack up. I really hope something is in the works for bunker builds, its killing the fun for both me and my buddy that I usually play PvP with. I really like this game and it sucks to see so many people getting riled up about builds that are next to immortal. Another note about bunker builds is the lack of skill expression. Even if the bunker player is worse then the other player, the bunker might win the fight just by being able to stand there for a century. This feels really bad for the player that is better then him, knowing that they can't do anything to kill the guy even though the bunker is performing worse feels hopeless. It's not fun in any shape of form. Any thoughts or something to add to the discussion? I'd like to know your thoughts about bunker builds or any tips on what I can do against them. I used to play as a condition sage but recently moved over to a power mirage that I found on Shorts channel. I usually focus on killing necros and rangers but sometimes I'm faced against a bunker and currently I find it easier to weep in a corner then to face them unless I have 2 others with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranageki.2491 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 I saw an engineer with a CC build where he just constantly punted an enemy scrapper off point until they got bored and went elsewhere. He then proceeded to follow the scrapper all match and deny him the ability to camp a point, it was pretty brutal. In short, excessive cc will allow you to bypass paying attention to the scrapper, otherwise you have to wait for their barrier and stability to go down for an opening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engal.6359 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Engi cc needs a nerf. But yeah, anything is better than a bunker meta... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 there is one common bunker build. ONE. chronobunker, boonbeast, prot holo, and weaver are all not very common. one build does not make this a bunker meta. we are in a burst meta, get some glasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieux P.1238 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 > @"Stand The Wall.6987" said: > there is one common bunker build. ONE. chronobunker, boonbeast, prot holo, and weaver are all not very common. one build does not make this a bunker meta. we are in a burst meta, get some glasses. Chronobunker is not a thing at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant.7206 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 > @"Ranageki.2491" said: > I saw an engineer with a CC build where he just constantly punted an enemy scrapper off point until they got bored and went elsewhere. He then proceeded to follow the scrapper all match and deny him the ability to camp a point, it was pretty brutal. In short, excessive cc will allow you to bypass paying attention to the scrapper, otherwise you have to wait for their barrier and stability to go down for an opening. Oh, I do this all the time when I'm playing prot holo. I'll punt scrappers around, decap points from them, then full cap the points, then follow them around when they try to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barei.8967 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > @"Stand The Wall.6987" said: > > chronobunker, boonbeast, prot holo, and weaver are all not very common. > > Chronobunker is not a thing at the moment. isn't just that what he said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferahn.2896 Posted May 22, 2019 Author Share Posted May 22, 2019 > @"Stand The Wall.6987" said: > there is one common bunker build. ONE. chronobunker, boonbeast, prot holo, and weaver are all not very common. one build does not make this a bunker meta. we are in a burst meta, get some glasses. You're being surprisingly hostile. I never claimed that any of the classes are common or that this is a bunker meta. I do however feel like scrappers and weavers are quite common, I see them nearly every game. I don't believe you are reading the same text that I wrote judging by your reply, you might want to invest in some new glasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FyzE.3472 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Yeah I'm so tired of people not dying to my one-shot build! I mean, I invested everything to one-shot things and I can't. This is obviously not how it should be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominik.9721 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 > @"FyzE.3472" said: > Yeah I'm so tired of people not dying to my one-shot build! I mean, I invested everything to one-shot things and I can't. This is obviously not how it should be! I know it's sarcasm from you probably but the thing is a player that facetankes a full predictable burst combo should not be able to surivive - no matter if he's "bunker" or not. Lazy and bad gameplay never should be rewarded and when a firebrand, scrapper or soulbeast fails to evade obvious animations he should be punished and not faceroll over the keyboard acting like nothing happend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FyzE.3472 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 > @"dominik.9721" said: > > @"FyzE.3472" said: > > Yeah I'm so tired of people not dying to my one-shot build! I mean, I invested everything to one-shot things and I can't. This is obviously not how it should be! > > I know it's sarcasm from you probably but the thing is a player that facetankes a full predictable burst combo should not be able to surivive - no matter if he's "bunker" or not. > Lazy and bad gameplay never should be rewarded and when a firebrand, scrapper or soulbeast fails to evade obvious animations he should be punished and not faceroll over the keyboard acting like nothing happend. Yeah well, then again, you can't say that they are not forced into defense mode right at that second. Which you can take advantage of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominik.9721 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 > @"FyzE.3472" said: > > @"dominik.9721" said: > > > @"FyzE.3472" said: > > > Yeah I'm so tired of people not dying to my one-shot build! I mean, I invested everything to one-shot things and I can't. This is obviously not how it should be! > > > > I know it's sarcasm from you probably but the thing is a player that facetankes a full predictable burst combo should not be able to surivive - no matter if he's "bunker" or not. > > Lazy and bad gameplay never should be rewarded and when a firebrand, scrapper or soulbeast fails to evade obvious animations he should be punished and not faceroll over the keyboard acting like nothing happend. > > Yeah well, then again, you can't say that they are not forced into defense mode right at that second. Which you can take advantage of. Tbh I've read your sentence now 10 times and still couldn't understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snellibee.2761 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 > @"dominik.9721" said: > > @"FyzE.3472" said: > > > @"dominik.9721" said: > > > > @"FyzE.3472" said: > > > > Yeah I'm so tired of people not dying to my one-shot build! I mean, I invested everything to one-shot things and I can't. This is obviously not how it should be! > > > > > > I know it's sarcasm from you probably but the thing is a player that facetankes a full predictable burst combo should not be able to surivive - no matter if he's "bunker" or not. > > > Lazy and bad gameplay never should be rewarded and when a firebrand, scrapper or soulbeast fails to evade obvious animations he should be punished and not faceroll over the keyboard acting like nothing happend. > > > > Yeah well, then again, you can't say that they are not forced into defense mode right at that second. Which you can take advantage of. > > Tbh I've read your sentence now 10 times and still couldn't understand it. Glad I wasn't the only one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 > @"dominik.9721" said: > Tbh I've read your sentence now 10 times and still couldn't understand it. I think what he means is that (i'm guessing we are talking about scrapper) since scrappers have 0 dps, you can essentially just walk up and start wailing on them with no repercussions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 @"Ferahn.2896" 1. There are no applicable good bunkers in play right now outside of Scrapper. 2. If a Scrapper is packing Blast Gyro and Throw Landmine for the ultra CC, you should be able to kill him easily. 3. Under no circumstances should you ever be trying to 1v1 a Scrapper. The only exception to this rule is if you are running some serious 1-shot monkey business and actually know how to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalisto.5780 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 > @"Stand The Wall.6987" said: > there is one common bunker build. ONE. chronobunker, boonbeast, prot holo, and weaver are all not very common. one build does not make this a bunker meta. we are in a burst meta, get some glasses hhmm, there's the fb tho, not exatcly a bunker but it has the ability to make his team outsustain the other team in fights, and it's pretty common, than you sit he scrapper in 1 pnt and fb+2 elsewhere the game is kinda over, unless you have a similar comp. Add a scourge to this mix. and gg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalisto.5780 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 > @"FyzE.3472" said: > Yeah I'm so tired of people not dying to my one-shot build! I mean, I invested everything to one-shot things and I can't. This is obviously not how it should be! you not pressing your keys fast enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieux P.1238 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 > @"barei.8967" said: > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > @"Stand The Wall.6987" said: > > > chronobunker, boonbeast, prot holo, and weaver are all not very common. > > > > Chronobunker is not a thing at the moment. > isn't just that what he said? > No, i said power chrono is a thing. Chronobunker is not! It was killed off a few years back. Get with the program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferahn.2896 Posted May 22, 2019 Author Share Posted May 22, 2019 > @"FyzE.3472" said: > Yeah I'm so tired of people not dying to my one-shot build! I mean, I invested everything to one-shot things and I can't. This is obviously not how it should be! This is not what I meant. I'm okay with people surviving one shots and built to survive, but not to the extent that you feel like you're using your nails to break down a brick wall. Its straight up not fun. Many people are taking a break from PvP cause its just not fun to play right now. There's a heavy lack of diversity and some bunker builds are just not killable. I played quite a bit of FB and it was not uncommon for me to survive for 2-3 minutes against 2 people, sometimes I had 3 people chasing me for like 40 seconds before they were able to get me down. Its ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollbirtan.2915 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 > @"Khalisto.5780" said: > > @"Stand The Wall.6987" said: > > there is one common bunker build. ONE. chronobunker, boonbeast, prot holo, and weaver are all not very common. one build does not make this a bunker meta. we are in a burst meta, get some glasses > > hhmm, there's the fb tho, not exatcly a bunker but it has the ability to make his team outsustain the other team in fights, and it's pretty common, than you sit he scrapper in 1 pnt and fb+2 elsewhere the game is kinda over, unless you have a similar comp. Add a scourge to this mix. and gg FB is anything but bunker. If you blow your cool-downs/ have kitten teammates you are useless. A FB healer can never hold a point alone -- only against another healer fb lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vague Memory.2817 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Engi bunker is as boring to against and as hard to take down as the old chrono bunker and unkillable ele. My general rule is if it takes 3 players over 1 min to take a bunker down, it is too strong. Stability is a big issue here usually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crepuscular.9047 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 it's 2 sides of the same coin, on 1 side there are some ridiculous burst builds, on the opposite, there needs to have bunker builds to resist these burst builds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferahn.2896 Posted May 23, 2019 Author Share Posted May 23, 2019 > @"ollbirtan.2915" said: > FB is anything but bunker. If you blow your cool-downs/ have kitten teammates you are useless. A FB healer can never hold a point alone -- only against another healer fb lol. What do you mean FB is not a bunker build? The build is called "Mantra Bunker" https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Firebrand_-_Mantra_Bunker It does not have to be the strongest bunker build out there to be classified as a bunker. Its definitely not as strong as a scrapper at holding points but it very much can, I do this every game I play as a FB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 > @"Ferahn.2896" said: > > @"ollbirtan.2915" said: > > FB is anything but bunker. If you blow your cool-downs/ have kitten teammates you are useless. A FB healer can never hold a point alone -- only against another healer fb lol. > > What do you mean FB is not a bunker build? The build is called "Mantra Bunker" https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Firebrand_-_Mantra_Bunker > > It does not have to be the strongest bunker build out there to be classified as a bunker. Its definitely not as strong as a scrapper at holding points but it very much can, I do this every game I play as a FB. FB is not a Bunker. FB is a Support build. A real Bunker has to be entirely self sufficient while solo defending in 1v2s, to be able to do his job and draw numbers for the team. FB cannot do this like a Scrapper. The FB's survival relies on his team's counter offensive pressure to keep him alive. The FB if he is alone, is a much easier to kill target than a Scrapper, which is an actual Bunker. That build in metabattle is labeled wrong. It should be name Mantra Support. Hell, a Tempest Auramancer is a more self sufficient Bunker than a FB is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Bunker build**S** ? Theres only one bunker build that has presence, and it's probably accidental. We will see if the other -potential- bunkers overperform once their damage oriented counterparts get brought down a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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