LetoII.3782 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 We see them in every match. Usually by a camp, usually alone, usually dying. Yet always there. So what's the appeal? Is it a Nightmare Before Christmas kitsch thing? Is there like some secret society? Are you masochists? Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zexanima.7851 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 * They are new to WvW and don't know that PvE open world builds are not good for WvW. * They are just there trying to do dailies and don't actually care to switch builds and rough it on what they are use to * They just prefer that build because players are encourage to play whatever they find fun. What does it matter if what build they are running if they are running solo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetoII.3782 Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share Posted June 19, 2019 So you're saying this build is good in PvE? I'm curious because I constantly see them and _they never seem to do anything but die_ O.o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zexanima.7851 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 > @"LetoII.3782" said: > So you're saying this build is good in PvE? > I'm curious because I constantly see them and _they never seem to do anything but die_ O.o Yeah, it's easy mode for open world PvE in particular. Minion necromancer I kind of thing as a 'comfort' build because you don't have to worry about much. People you see in WvW with that build are probably just new/don't play WvW much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acdspydar.8920 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 The scout reports are brilliant for them tho. There's always that new guy who yells out 10+ guild group in the camp!!! You run in with the boys and it's a MM dying to the veteran supervisor. Good times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetoII.3782 Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share Posted June 19, 2019 > @"acdspydar.8920" said: > You run in with the boys and it's a MM dying to the veteran supervisor. Good times ^ See he knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaGranse.8652 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 > @"LetoII.3782" said: > So you're saying this build is good in PvE? > I'm curious because I constantly see them and _they never seem to do anything but die_ O.o It is a build that work very well for Open world PvE. The [open world section for necromancers on metabattle](https://metabattle.com/wiki/Open_World/Soloing "open world section for necromancers on metabattle") has minion master builds for both the core necro, reaper and scourge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drarnor Kunoram.5180 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 That said, on rare occasions, you run into the MM that knows what they're doing, and they can be a pain to fight depending on your build. These ones make judicious use of Bone Fiend and Flesh Wurm/Golem for CC and mobility while constantly ducking behind one of their minions to let them tank projectiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltekka.2375 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Actually, if 3 minionmancers roam together, they look like a small zerg from the distance. Intimidates people. On a side note, pve MM can pretty much solo most pve content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 50 true minionmancers (golemancer/lich+rise+nova) have a theoretical max of ~850 minions. Too bad all 850 are dead when a well scourge sneeze in their direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steki.1478 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 > @"acdspydar.8920" said: > The scout reports are brilliant for them tho. There's always that new guy who yells out 10+ guild group in the camp!!! You run in with the boys and it's a MM dying to the veteran supervisor. Good times Someone on my server called it a small zerg once. I use that term every time I see a MM necro now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etterwyn.5263 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Well, Rise is great damage reduction, until you hit ~~Scourge~~ AOE. :o Flesh Golem I admit I use because I hate all Necro elites but at least I don’t feel alone out there with my lil’ buddy. All the others, meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaba.5410 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 > @"Etterwyn.5263" said: > Flesh Golem I admit I use because I hate all Necro elites but at least I don’t feel alone out there with my lil’ buddy. Aw, but then you're missing out on all the little minions from https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Summon_Madness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anput.4620 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 A well optimized minion mancer can be a very good duelist/bunker, i used to run it with healing power and it stood toe to toe with roaming specs, but yeah most poeple just use their open world PvE build. The amount of flat damage reduction and heals you can get is insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetoII.3782 Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 I guess it's really not a surprise that a cruise control build is popular in open world pve.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iKeostuKen.2738 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 MM is actually a legit build for roaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EremiteAngel.9765 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 > @"iKeostuKen.2738" said: > MM is actually a legit build for roaming. I’ve seen MM Scourge roamers and they can be pretty tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blocki.4931 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 I always feel bad about killing them... :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 always scared me. its like omg, 10+ again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyra.4709 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Clearly he is advertising for his guild of minion masters only, a formidable scare tactic with just one. Just you watch, one day he will recruit the ultimate blob.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 could work. bring in the lag and dc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadlySynz.3471 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 I'd love to see a map que of MM's. Unfortunately, i'd probably DC long before that'd ever happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetoII.3782 Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 OK, now there's definitely more people who say minionmancer is good than there is good minionmancers in this thread. I might've believed one or two in the game had something special going.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drarnor Kunoram.5180 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 > @"LetoII.3782" said: > OK, now there's definitely more people who say minionmancer is good than there is good minionmancers in this thread. > I might've believed one or two in the game had something special going.... I didn't say it was good, I said there were some people who really know how to use it well, and they can be a pain to fight as a roamer. They still can't stand up against multiple opponents well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroud.2307 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 > @"LetoII.3782" said: > OK, now there's definitely more people who say minionmancer is good than there is good minionmancers in this thread. > I might've believed one or two in the game had something special going.... It can do a surprising amount of damage if all the Minions explode in your face consecutively. Think of it like a hybrid Mesmer that can only shatter all it's clones once every 30 seconds - 1 minute. If you get caught in the "shatter" it's definitely going to hurt, but it's probably easier to avoid it than it is to hit someone with it. I disagree that it has any viability in WvW roaming/small scale however. Literally anything with good cleave and moderate durability ( basically meaning minimum of 2.4k armor and 18k health ) should be able to dispatch the Minion horde with minimal consequence. Assuming the Necro isn't a complete potato though, the player themselves can still be dangerous with all their Minions gone. So it's more about the player relying on their Minions to do everything for them than about Minions being useless. Honestly I'd say regardless of skill, a Minionmancer is basically a free kill. The only exception is if you're glassy and allow all the Minions to pop in your face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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