RisenHowl.2419 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 TL;DW: Guards should stick to support, nothing to see here Skip to 3:00 if you want to see how it does in actual fights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subversiontwo.7501 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 Lol, I played a Spirit weapon burner for reset tonight as well B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapasmurf.5623 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 I used to love fire bombing a zerg with a guardian back in the day (pin snipe with hammer was a blast...hammering the bubble the driver haha) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetoII.3782 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 Zero mobility Dragonhunter is a great choice for WvW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 what matters is the meta synergy. ae of the following 1. stab - cons 2. boons - cons 3. heal -healing 4. stealth - blast 5. damage - zerk/cele/sinister 6. cleanse - utility/cleansing/light blasts if your team has a balance of these, even if its not the fb rev scourge team, you are running what currently is the strongest setup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RisenHowl.2419 Posted July 20, 2019 Author Share Posted July 20, 2019 > @"LetoII.3782" said: > Zero mobility Dragonhunter is a great choice for WvW. > It has better mobility than fb and core, f2 is amazing for repositioning weaver has lightning flash, burning retreat, and twist of fate dh has f2 x2, f3 x2, merciful intervention, renewed focus, stab, projectile destruction, and aegis if you have a hard time surviving on dh compared to weaver, it's on you man lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RisenHowl.2419 Posted July 20, 2019 Author Share Posted July 20, 2019 > @"Sovereign.1093" said: > what matters is the meta synergy. > > ae of the following > 1. stab - cons > 2. boons - cons > 3. heal -healing > 4. stealth - blast > 5. damage - zerk/cele/sinister > 6. cleanse - utility/cleansing/light blasts > > if your team has a balance of these, even if its not the fb rev scourge team, you are running what currently is the strongest setup so a class that has higher damage than a weaver while providing blocks, stab, might, cleansing, protection, and aegis seems like kind of a no brainer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Za Shaloc.3908 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 I am not a Guardian player, but not gonna lie, that looks really fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L A T I O N.8923 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > > TL;DW: > Guards should stick to support, nothing to see here > > Skip to 3:00 if you want to see how it does in actual fights Love to havock around on DH as well Whats the spec for this build? Rampager/beserk mix? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RisenHowl.2419 Posted July 20, 2019 Author Share Posted July 20, 2019 > @"L A T I O N.8923" said: > > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > > > > > TL;DW: > > Guards should stick to support, nothing to see here > > > > Skip to 3:00 if you want to see how it does in actual fights > > Love to havock around on DH as well > > Whats the spec for this build? Rampager/beserk mix? No reason you can't use it in a zerg too, it does everything a weaver does and more =D > @"Pterikdactyl.7630" said: > I am not a Guardian player, but not gonna lie, that looks really fun. Can confirm, really fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safandula.8723 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 Already seen Figrins burn guard before, it got my attention. Build plz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RisenHowl.2419 Posted July 20, 2019 Author Share Posted July 20, 2019 > @"Safandula.8723" said: > Already seen Figrins burn guard before, it got my attention. Build plz? Build and game play guide linked in the post above yours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L A T I O N.8923 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > @"L A T I O N.8923" said: > > > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > > > > > > > > TL;DW: > > > Guards should stick to support, nothing to see here > > > > > > Skip to 3:00 if you want to see how it does in actual fights > > > > Love to havock around on DH as well > > > > Whats the spec for this build? Rampager/beserk mix? > > > > No reason you can't use it in a zerg too, it does everything a weaver does and more =D Most commandeurs kick you from squad the moment they see you dont want to reroll which is a real Shame. In the end its indeed like Weaver: fieldplacement is everything Skills like 'soaring devistation' (on top of what you shower) can lockdown 5 enemies rather easily. I love longbow skills as well, especially 3 and 5 if you master those 2 skills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RisenHowl.2419 Posted July 20, 2019 Author Share Posted July 20, 2019 > @"L A T I O N.8923" said: > > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > > @"L A T I O N.8923" said: > > > > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > TL;DW: > > > > Guards should stick to support, nothing to see here > > > > > > > > Skip to 3:00 if you want to see how it does in actual fights > > > > > > Love to havock around on DH as well > > > > > > Whats the spec for this build? Rampager/beserk mix? > > > > > > > > No reason you can't use it in a zerg too, it does everything a weaver does and more =D > > Most commandeurs kick you from squad the moment they see you dont want to reroll which is a real Shame. > > In the end its indeed like Weaver: fieldplacement is everything > > Skills like 'soaring devistation' (on top of what you shower) can lockdown 5 enemies rather easily. > I love longbow skills as well, especially 3 and 5 if you master those 2 skills > > Their loss honestly lol They'd love weaver to get a 20% damage buff, but not if it's a guardian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetoII.3782 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > @"LetoII.3782" said: > > Zero mobility Dragonhunter is a great choice for WvW. > > > > It has better mobility than fb and core, f2 is amazing for repositioning > > weaver has lightning flash, burning retreat, and twist of fate > > dh has f2 x2, f3 x2, merciful intervention, renewed focus, stab, projectile destruction, and aegis > > if you have a hard time surviving on dh compared to weaver, it's on you man lol You're not showing the times people don't let you freecast, we both know how it goes when people don't ignore you. But like I said, the more people on this kind of build the better for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepwalker.1398 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > > TL;DW: > Guards should stick to support, nothing to see here > > Skip to 3:00 if you want to see how it does in actual fights I've tried this and its quite effective. Sometimes i really wish i had 1 more person with me on mount that just jumps around and mauls the downs (eg those downs near Lang in your clip). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > @"Sovereign.1093" said: > > what matters is the meta synergy. > > > > ae of the following > > 1. stab - cons > > 2. boons - cons > > 3. heal -healing > > 4. stealth - blast > > 5. damage - zerk/cele/sinister > > 6. cleanse - utility/cleansing/light blasts > > > > if your team has a balance of these, even if its not the fb rev scourge team, you are running what currently is the strongest setup > > so a class that has higher damage than a weaver while providing blocks, stab, might, cleansing, protection, and aegis seems like kind of a no brainer i meant different classes give those in total. you get those from fb rev scourge spell chrono. a group of classes not above or different combination thru builds granting the same effect is just as good if not better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDchiaScrub.3241 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 > @"LetoII.3782" said: > > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > > @"LetoII.3782" said: > > > Zero mobility Dragonhunter is a great choice for WvW. > > > > > > > It has better mobility than fb and core, f2 is amazing for repositioning > > > > weaver has lightning flash, burning retreat, and twist of fate > > > > dh has f2 x2, f3 x2, merciful intervention, renewed focus, stab, projectile destruction, and aegis > > > > if you have a hard time surviving on dh compared to weaver, it's on you man lol > > You're not showing the times people don't let you freecast, we both know how it goes when people don't ignore you. > But like I said, the more people on this kind of build the better for me! To me it was mostly fights that were already won. At least he made sure to show the class was far more effective than rangers in a tower. That's important because PPT matters. Also I had to lol at 3:00 at being considered an "actual fight." Dragonbrand VIP are nice people but their uhh...bomb is less then desirable (barely any strips for starters). Maybe XVX? Speaking from experience burn guard is great on pugs or anyone who sucks at cleanses. Reflecting gates has been OP for a while now. D: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradoxoglanis.1904 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 > @"LetoII.3782" said: > Zero mobility Dragonhunter is a great choice for WvW. same with zero mobility scourge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RisenHowl.2419 Posted July 20, 2019 Author Share Posted July 20, 2019 > @"LetoII.3782" said: > > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > > @"LetoII.3782" said: > > > Zero mobility Dragonhunter is a great choice for WvW. > > > > > > > It has better mobility than fb and core, f2 is amazing for repositioning > > > > weaver has lightning flash, burning retreat, and twist of fate > > > > dh has f2 x2, f3 x2, merciful intervention, renewed focus, stab, projectile destruction, and aegis > > > > if you have a hard time surviving on dh compared to weaver, it's on you man lol > > You're not showing the times people don't let you freecast, we both know how it goes when people don't ignore you. > But like I said, the more people on this kind of build the better for me! That's like watching a weaver video and saying 'but you're free casting the whole time'. Why yes, that is how you play the class? Don't stay on tag, use the tag as a buffer to rotate around the enemy group. Doesn't even matter if you're in squad, this self buffs and tags like crazy. Usually I kite at 1200+ range until I see them regrouping from a push, then run in and unload on their stack. If it doesn't outright break them, it blows all their cds before they can push. Go to 4:23 in the video for an example of this. Hit and run until you can unload Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RisenHowl.2419 Posted July 20, 2019 Author Share Posted July 20, 2019 > @"GDchiaScrub.3241" said: > > @"LetoII.3782" said: > > > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > > > @"LetoII.3782" said: > > > > Zero mobility Dragonhunter is a great choice for WvW. > > > > > > > > > > It has better mobility than fb and core, f2 is amazing for repositioning > > > > > > weaver has lightning flash, burning retreat, and twist of fate > > > > > > dh has f2 x2, f3 x2, merciful intervention, renewed focus, stab, projectile destruction, and aegis > > > > > > if you have a hard time surviving on dh compared to weaver, it's on you man lol > > > > You're not showing the times people don't let you freecast, we both know how it goes when people don't ignore you. > > But like I said, the more people on this kind of build the better for me! > > To me it was mostly fights that were already won. At least he made sure to show the class was far more effective than rangers in a tower. That's important because PPT matters. Also I had to lol at 3:00 at being considered an "actual fight." Dragonbrand VIP are nice people but their uhh...bomb is less then desirable (barely any strips for starters). Maybe XVX? Speaking from experience burn guard is great on pugs or anyone who sucks at cleanses. Reflecting gates has been OP for a while now. > > D: 30 ViP plus pugs vs 26 pugs inside their smc seems like a pretty good fight. I got Xvx with it too on tuesday, just didn't record it because there were only like 15 of them You can see scrappers trying to keep up with the output, they can't do it alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetoII.3782 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 > @"Paradoxoglanis.1904" said: > > @"LetoII.3782" said: > > Zero mobility Dragonhunter is a great choice for WvW. > > same with zero mobility scourge? > > Scourge brings a bit more than a single condi tick... But like I said, I've got sigil of cleansing and unblockable, y'all load up on the tbdh's lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradoxoglanis.1904 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 > @"LetoII.3782" said: > > @"Paradoxoglanis.1904" said: > > > @"LetoII.3782" said: > > > Zero mobility Dragonhunter is a great choice for WvW. > > > > same with zero mobility scourge? > > > > > > Scourge brings a bit more than a single condi tick... > But like I said, I've got sigil of cleansing and unblockable, y'all load up on the tbdh's lol So you agree then that classes with low mobility can be useful in certain situations, as was shown in the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetoII.3782 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 > @"Paradoxoglanis.1904" said: > > @"LetoII.3782" said: > > > @"Paradoxoglanis.1904" said: > > > > @"LetoII.3782" said: > > > > Zero mobility Dragonhunter is a great choice for WvW. > > > > > > same with zero mobility scourge? > > > > > > > > > > Scourge brings a bit more than a single condi tick... > > But like I said, I've got sigil of cleansing and unblockable, y'all load up on the tbdh's lol > > So you agree then that classes with low mobility can be useful in certain situations, as was shown in the video. How'd you get that from me saying scourge brings far more benefit to a group than this build? Minstrel thief is useful in "certain situations", doesn't mean I want one in my group over a better performing build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradoxoglanis.1904 Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 > @"LetoII.3782" said: > > @"Paradoxoglanis.1904" said: > > > @"LetoII.3782" said: > > > > @"Paradoxoglanis.1904" said: > > > > > @"LetoII.3782" said: > > > > > Zero mobility Dragonhunter is a great choice for WvW. > > > > > > > > same with zero mobility scourge? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scourge brings a bit more than a single condi tick... > > > But like I said, I've got sigil of cleansing and unblockable, y'all load up on the tbdh's lol > > > > So you agree then that classes with low mobility can be useful in certain situations, as was shown in the video. > > How'd you get that from me saying scourge brings far more benefit to a group than this build? > Minstrel thief is useful in "certain situations", doesn't mean I want one in my group over a better performing build. 1: You said (possibly sarcastically) "Zero mobility Dragonhunter is a great choice for WvW." 2: I pointed out scourge has zero mobility. It is well known that scourge is a meta class in wvw. 3: You said scourge brings more than condi damage, confirming that you realize that scourge is a very strong class in wvw. 4: I pointed out that you agree that a "zero mobility" class can be useful. Scourge is a zero mobility class, and you just said that scourge brings benefit to a group. The posted video shows another "zero mobility" class being very effective in a particular situation. Squad class priority was never part of the discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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