Ashen.2907 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Seems like a solid request to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben K.6238 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > @"Rognik.2579" said: > > This is only half-true. They could tap a player to hire as a translator. But vetting someone as a translator is a difficult thing, and not something to be done lightly. > > Of course that's an option and when things start to happen, errors, bugs, and worse .. it is ANET that get left with egg face and have to sort it out.. not worth the risk from that point of view imo… better to hire/employ a pro and ANET take full control and responsibility, but can they, should they, will they.. only ANET know the answer. Yeah, for that reason moderation tends to be handled by paid employees. There is always content that won't be actioned because it makes no sense, even if it's written in English by someone who's very, very inebriated. ANet doesn't have to do moderation in real-time so they're quite capable of dealing with reports on Cyrillic content via translation (which I imagine they already do for reports on Korean, Tagalog etc.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstealer.5978 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 > @"Ben K.6238" said: > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > @"Rognik.2579" said: > > > This is only half-true. They could tap a player to hire as a translator. But vetting someone as a translator is a difficult thing, and not something to be done lightly. > > > > Of course that's an option and when things start to happen, errors, bugs, and worse .. it is ANET that get left with egg face and have to sort it out.. not worth the risk from that point of view imo… better to hire/employ a pro and ANET take full control and responsibility, but can they, should they, will they.. only ANET know the answer. > > Yeah, for that reason moderation tends to be handled by paid employees. > > There is always content that won't be actioned because it makes no sense, even if it's written in English by someone who's very, very inebriated. ANet doesn't have to do moderation in real-time so they're quite capable of dealing with reports on Cyrillic content via translation (which I imagine they already do for reports on Korean, Tagalog etc.). It's not just moderation .. just utilising player modding or unvetted persons to perform the translational serves etc comes with its own risks, so I wouldn't think ANET would even consider outside services from within the player community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limosha.8450 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Hallo, Arena Net! I am Russian and I play Guild Wars 2 since close beta test in 2012. Please add supporting Cyrillic letters in the game. #ArenaNet #supportcyrillicgw2 #GW2RU From Russia with love! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catchyfx.5768 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 For me its ok to.have it. If you add it to the chat only i dont see any problems. 40k is a lot. Outside of Dota and cs russians are very friendly, so you dont have to be scared of "cyka" spam :lol: Let ticket system be without ru language and you dont have to hire new ppls. Jusr add it to the chat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexVv.3965 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 > @"yoni.7015" said: > > @"EyeQ.9724" said: > > > But what about ru-community? They don't have it at all :( > > They didn’t have it for the last seven years and it was not a problem. > It was a real problem, and a serious one. If you do not want to see the Cyrillic alphabet in the general chat, this is easily solved - just add a filter to the chat "show only Latin alphabet", as suggested above - voila, you will not have any problems:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Nik.2518 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > @"Ben K.6238" said: > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > @"Rognik.2579" said: > > > > This is only half-true. They could tap a player to hire as a translator. But vetting someone as a translator is a difficult thing, and not something to be done lightly. > > > > > > Of course that's an option and when things start to happen, errors, bugs, and worse .. it is ANET that get left with egg face and have to sort it out.. not worth the risk from that point of view imo… better to hire/employ a pro and ANET take full control and responsibility, but can they, should they, will they.. only ANET know the answer. > > > > Yeah, for that reason moderation tends to be handled by paid employees. > > > > There is always content that won't be actioned because it makes no sense, even if it's written in English by someone who's very, very inebriated. ANet doesn't have to do moderation in real-time so they're quite capable of dealing with reports on Cyrillic content via translation (which I imagine they already do for reports on Korean, Tagalog etc.). > > It's not just moderation .. just utilising player modding or unvetted persons to perform the translational serves etc comes with its own risks, so I wouldn't think ANET would even consider outside services from within the player community. I wonder why so many people assume that support for Unicode or just Cyrillic ought to involve moderation, technical support, and so on... Google, Apple, Microsoft, and other big companies support hundreds of languages. However, technical support is provided only in a couple of dozens or so languages. Google does not really have support (FAQ only, available in a very limited selection of languages) for free customers. ArenaNet does not have to provide moderation, conflict resolution, and such. They can provide their services 'as is' and just mention it in their TOS. It is a common practice to limit support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torkult.6528 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 I really wanted to go through this storyline, all the tests and close all the "hearts" in each location. But I understood almost nothing in the English text. I wanted to ask other players what to do in the quest and what kind of objects they are, but it is impossible to communicate in a chat using transcriptions. This is extremely, extremely sad. Enter the Cyrillic! Please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astralporing.1957 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Be careful what you ask for, or Anet will give it to you. Monetizing the kitten out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstealer.5978 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 > @"Ol Nik.2518" said: > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > @"Ben K.6238" said: > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > @"Rognik.2579" said: > > > > > This is only half-true. They could tap a player to hire as a translator. But vetting someone as a translator is a difficult thing, and not something to be done lightly. > > > > > > > > Of course that's an option and when things start to happen, errors, bugs, and worse .. it is ANET that get left with egg face and have to sort it out.. not worth the risk from that point of view imo… better to hire/employ a pro and ANET take full control and responsibility, but can they, should they, will they.. only ANET know the answer. > > > > > > Yeah, for that reason moderation tends to be handled by paid employees. > > > > > > There is always content that won't be actioned because it makes no sense, even if it's written in English by someone who's very, very inebriated. ANet doesn't have to do moderation in real-time so they're quite capable of dealing with reports on Cyrillic content via translation (which I imagine they already do for reports on Korean, Tagalog etc.). > > > > It's not just moderation .. just utilising player modding or unvetted persons to perform the translational serves etc comes with its own risks, so I wouldn't think ANET would even consider outside services from within the player community. > > I wonder why so many people assume that support for Unicode or just Cyrillic ought to involve moderation, technical support, and so on... > Google, Apple, Microsoft, and other big companies support hundreds of languages. However, technical support is provided only in a couple of dozens or so languages. Google does not really have support (FAQ only, available in a very limited selection of languages) for free customers. > > ArenaNet does not have to provide moderation, conflict resolution, and such. They can provide their services 'as is' and just mention it in their TOS. It is a common practice to limit support. Because at the end of the day when issues arise whether intended or by accident it is ANET that have to carry the can, which is something they would likely want to avoid. Aside from that there will always be a need for them to justify any time/cost they put into this. If there is anything we have learned this last few years, it is that ANET are looking every which way they can to open revenue streams within the game to profit from. Add to the more recent issues with layoffs, it kinda spells out a need to run a tight ship and not put efforts in to anything which does not offer a viable return for them as much as it might be good for a portion of the player base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Nik.2518 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > @"Ol Nik.2518" said: > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > @"Ben K.6238" said: > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > @"Rognik.2579" said: > > > > > > This is only half-true. They could tap a player to hire as a translator. But vetting someone as a translator is a difficult thing, and not something to be done lightly. > > > > > > > > > > Of course that's an option and when things start to happen, errors, bugs, and worse .. it is ANET that get left with egg face and have to sort it out.. not worth the risk from that point of view imo… better to hire/employ a pro and ANET take full control and responsibility, but can they, should they, will they.. only ANET know the answer. > > > > > > > > Yeah, for that reason moderation tends to be handled by paid employees. > > > > > > > > There is always content that won't be actioned because it makes no sense, even if it's written in English by someone who's very, very inebriated. ANet doesn't have to do moderation in real-time so they're quite capable of dealing with reports on Cyrillic content via translation (which I imagine they already do for reports on Korean, Tagalog etc.). > > > > > > It's not just moderation .. just utilising player modding or unvetted persons to perform the translational serves etc comes with its own risks, so I wouldn't think ANET would even consider outside services from within the player community. > > > > I wonder why so many people assume that support for Unicode or just Cyrillic ought to involve moderation, technical support, and so on... > > Google, Apple, Microsoft, and other big companies support hundreds of languages. However, technical support is provided only in a couple of dozens or so languages. Google does not really have support (FAQ only, available in a very limited selection of languages) for free customers. > > > > ArenaNet does not have to provide moderation, conflict resolution, and such. They can provide their services 'as is' and just mention it in their TOS. It is a common practice to limit support. > > Because at the end of the day when issues arise whether intended or by accident it is ANET that have to carry the can, which is something they would likely want to avoid. Aside from that there will always be a need for them to justify any time/cost they put into this. > If there is anything we have learned this last few years, it is that ANET are looking every which way they can to open revenue streams within the game to profit from. Add to the more recent issues with layoffs, it kinda spells out a need to run a tight ship and not put efforts in to anything which does not offer a viable return for them as much as it might be good for a portion of the player base. Unicode support in chats (we are not talking about additional language localisations here) would most likely increase revenue for ArenaNet since more people would be willing to play a game where they can communicate normally. Please note that the majority of people living outside of English-speaking countries understand that support for their language in chats does not come with full-language support. This is not something unusual, it's a normal practice for them. There are very few video game and software companies offering support in multiple languages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstealer.5978 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 > @"Ol Nik.2518" said: > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > @"Ol Nik.2518" said: > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > @"Ben K.6238" said: > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > @"Rognik.2579" said: > > > > > > > This is only half-true. They could tap a player to hire as a translator. But vetting someone as a translator is a difficult thing, and not something to be done lightly. > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course that's an option and when things start to happen, errors, bugs, and worse .. it is ANET that get left with egg face and have to sort it out.. not worth the risk from that point of view imo… better to hire/employ a pro and ANET take full control and responsibility, but can they, should they, will they.. only ANET know the answer. > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, for that reason moderation tends to be handled by paid employees. > > > > > > > > > > There is always content that won't be actioned because it makes no sense, even if it's written in English by someone who's very, very inebriated. ANet doesn't have to do moderation in real-time so they're quite capable of dealing with reports on Cyrillic content via translation (which I imagine they already do for reports on Korean, Tagalog etc.). > > > > > > > > It's not just moderation .. just utilising player modding or unvetted persons to perform the translational serves etc comes with its own risks, so I wouldn't think ANET would even consider outside services from within the player community. > > > > > > I wonder why so many people assume that support for Unicode or just Cyrillic ought to involve moderation, technical support, and so on... > > > Google, Apple, Microsoft, and other big companies support hundreds of languages. However, technical support is provided only in a couple of dozens or so languages. Google does not really have support (FAQ only, available in a very limited selection of languages) for free customers. > > > > > > ArenaNet does not have to provide moderation, conflict resolution, and such. They can provide their services 'as is' and just mention it in their TOS. It is a common practice to limit support. > > > > Because at the end of the day when issues arise whether intended or by accident it is ANET that have to carry the can, which is something they would likely want to avoid. Aside from that there will always be a need for them to justify any time/cost they put into this. > > If there is anything we have learned this last few years, it is that ANET are looking every which way they can to open revenue streams within the game to profit from. Add to the more recent issues with layoffs, it kinda spells out a need to run a tight ship and not put efforts in to anything which does not offer a viable return for them as much as it might be good for a portion of the player base. > > Unicode support in chats (we are not talking about additional language localisations here) would most likely increase revenue for ArenaNet since more people would be willing to play a game where they can communicate normally. > > Please note that the majority of people living outside of English-speaking countries understand that support for their language in chats does not come with full-language support. This is not something unusual, it's a normal practice for them. There are very few video game and software companies offering support in multiple languages. I agree and I have no issue with them implementing it, but if things go wrong.. especially if utilising outside resource to help implement or just support it then its invariably ANET that carry the can for it as it is their product at the end of the day. Can it be done.. absolutely Should it be done.. yes, I don't understand why it wasn't there right out of the box Will it be done 7 years later … perhaps, if it is deemed financially viable and justifies the time/cost to do it and then support it after. Where does in fall in terms of the studio's priorities.. well that's a big question in its own right I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterrus.7530 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 ArenaNet. Please add the Cyrillic alphabet to the guild chat! This is all that We (the Russian community) ask for! To translate only a store for the purchase of supplements and gems - it looks like selfishness and discrimination (Just ... add ... the Cyrillic alphabet .... If you do not see the benefit in this, it is very disappointing for you. So it will not be profitable for us to play this if your feet wipe us like that. I apologize for the English, I do not know it perfectly, so that they can communicate with other people in the game! I am from Russia and I'm sorry that I ask so little to add the Cyrillic alphabet ... (Google Translite) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksandrcayg.3485 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Hello ArenaNet. Please add the Cyrillic alphabet to the chat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randulf.7614 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 > @"Ol Nik.2518" said: > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > @"Ben K.6238" said: > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > @"Rognik.2579" said: > > > > > This is only half-true. They could tap a player to hire as a translator. But vetting someone as a translator is a difficult thing, and not something to be done lightly. > > > > > > > > Of course that's an option and when things start to happen, errors, bugs, and worse .. it is ANET that get left with egg face and have to sort it out.. not worth the risk from that point of view imo… better to hire/employ a pro and ANET take full control and responsibility, but can they, should they, will they.. only ANET know the answer. > > > > > > Yeah, for that reason moderation tends to be handled by paid employees. > > > > > > There is always content that won't be actioned because it makes no sense, even if it's written in English by someone who's very, very inebriated. ANet doesn't have to do moderation in real-time so they're quite capable of dealing with reports on Cyrillic content via translation (which I imagine they already do for reports on Korean, Tagalog etc.). > > > > It's not just moderation .. just utilising player modding or unvetted persons to perform the translational serves etc comes with its own risks, so I wouldn't think ANET would even consider outside services from within the player community. > > I wonder why so many people assume that support for Unicode or just Cyrillic ought to involve moderation, technical support, and so on... > Google, Apple, Microsoft, and other big companies support hundreds of languages. However, technical support is provided only in a couple of dozens or so languages. Google does not really have support (FAQ only, available in a very limited selection of languages) for free customers. > > ArenaNet does not have to provide moderation, conflict resolution, and such. They can provide their services 'as is' and just mention it in their TOS. It is a common practice to limit support. Anet do have to provide those services as they have said many times previously themselves. Adding unmoderated chat vs existing moderated chat would be a move they would never make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Nik.2518 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 > @"Randulf.7614" said: > > @"Ol Nik.2518" said: > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > @"Ben K.6238" said: > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > @"Rognik.2579" said: > > > > > > This is only half-true. They could tap a player to hire as a translator. But vetting someone as a translator is a difficult thing, and not something to be done lightly. > > > > > > > > > > Of course that's an option and when things start to happen, errors, bugs, and worse .. it is ANET that get left with egg face and have to sort it out.. not worth the risk from that point of view imo… better to hire/employ a pro and ANET take full control and responsibility, but can they, should they, will they.. only ANET know the answer. > > > > > > > > Yeah, for that reason moderation tends to be handled by paid employees. > > > > > > > > There is always content that won't be actioned because it makes no sense, even if it's written in English by someone who's very, very inebriated. ANet doesn't have to do moderation in real-time so they're quite capable of dealing with reports on Cyrillic content via translation (which I imagine they already do for reports on Korean, Tagalog etc.). > > > > > > It's not just moderation .. just utilising player modding or unvetted persons to perform the translational serves etc comes with its own risks, so I wouldn't think ANET would even consider outside services from within the player community. > > > > I wonder why so many people assume that support for Unicode or just Cyrillic ought to involve moderation, technical support, and so on... > > Google, Apple, Microsoft, and other big companies support hundreds of languages. However, technical support is provided only in a couple of dozens or so languages. Google does not really have support (FAQ only, available in a very limited selection of languages) for free customers. > > > > ArenaNet does not have to provide moderation, conflict resolution, and such. They can provide their services 'as is' and just mention it in their TOS. It is a common practice to limit support. > > Anet do have to provide those services as they have said many times previously themselves. Adding unmoderated chat vs existing moderated chat would be a move they would never make. They already cannot moderate chat... No support for a specific writing system =/= everybody uses English/German/French/Spanish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missis Neko.5094 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Anet, please help us communicate in our native language <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 > @"Ol Nik.2518" said: > > @"Randulf.7614" said: > > > @"Ol Nik.2518" said: > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > @"Ben K.6238" said: > > > > > > @"Bloodstealer.5978" said: > > > > > > > @"Rognik.2579" said: > > > > > > > This is only half-true. They could tap a player to hire as a translator. But vetting someone as a translator is a difficult thing, and not something to be done lightly. > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course that's an option and when things start to happen, errors, bugs, and worse .. it is ANET that get left with egg face and have to sort it out.. not worth the risk from that point of view imo… better to hire/employ a pro and ANET take full control and responsibility, but can they, should they, will they.. only ANET know the answer. > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, for that reason moderation tends to be handled by paid employees. > > > > > > > > > > There is always content that won't be actioned because it makes no sense, even if it's written in English by someone who's very, very inebriated. ANet doesn't have to do moderation in real-time so they're quite capable of dealing with reports on Cyrillic content via translation (which I imagine they already do for reports on Korean, Tagalog etc.). > > > > > > > > It's not just moderation .. just utilising player modding or unvetted persons to perform the translational serves etc comes with its own risks, so I wouldn't think ANET would even consider outside services from within the player community. > > > > > > I wonder why so many people assume that support for Unicode or just Cyrillic ought to involve moderation, technical support, and so on... > > > Google, Apple, Microsoft, and other big companies support hundreds of languages. However, technical support is provided only in a couple of dozens or so languages. Google does not really have support (FAQ only, available in a very limited selection of languages) for free customers. > > > > > > ArenaNet does not have to provide moderation, conflict resolution, and such. They can provide their services 'as is' and just mention it in their TOS. It is a common practice to limit support. > > > > Anet do have to provide those services as they have said many times previously themselves. Adding unmoderated chat vs existing moderated chat would be a move they would never make. > > They already cannot moderate chat... No support for a specific writing system =/= everybody uses English/German/French/Spanish. And they got people who can read all those languages already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilbee.5829 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Please, ArenaNet let it be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rarog.7521 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 i think we deserve to speak on our native language Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 > @"Rarog.7521" said: > i think we deserve to speak on our native language Use discord and speak how much you want typing in game is a whole diffrent beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben K.6238 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 > @"Linken.6345" said: > > @"Ol Nik.2518" said: > > They already cannot moderate chat... No support for a specific writing system =/= everybody uses English/German/French/Spanish. > > And they got people who can read all those languages already. They don't have people who can read all the other languages that use Latin characters, so they'd just use the same procedure as the other unsupported languages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zraurum.8493 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 I support the author, I want Anet to listen to Russian players, I do not speak English well and therefore I would like to speak Russian in groups with Russian players, because I don’t understand the languages of other countries and this causes confusion. Anet enter please Cyrilice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glaswen.7926 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Anet, _please_, if you decide to add Cyrillic alphabet to the game, keep it out of map+say chat, lfg and especially character names. And add some kind of block to Latin-only letters filter (similar to Only English one). There are many people who wouldn’t like to see alien symbols in this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeon.4583 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 > @"Glaswen.7926" said: > alien symbols ... :'( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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