Leonidrex.5649 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Mesmer Profession Mechanics EXTRA CHANGES Signet of Domination: Slowed down the animation so the stun occurs at 560ms (up from 360ms) Spatial Surge: Now displays damage maximum then minimum in description. Mirror Blade: Fixed a bug which caused this skill to play its slashing effect on the player instead of its target. Cooldown reduced from 8s to 5s. Rather than inflict 1.0/0.6 dmg per hit, it now reduces the damage on future bounces by 15% each time. Mind Stab: Cooldown reduced from 12 to 10 seconds. No longer removes boons. It now inflicts cripple instead. 5s in PvE, likely to be reduced in PvP/WvW. Phantasmal Berserker: Cooldown reduced from 15 seconds to 12 seconds. No longer cripples, instead the projectile removes 2 boons. Projectile no longer boomerangs. Confounding Suggestions: This trait has been retired and been replaced with Bountiful Blades. Bountiful Blades (NEW): Mirror Blades bounces 2 additional times. Phantasmal Berserker summons an additional berserker and they each deal less damage (33% instead of 25% less damage. Imagined Burden: This trait has been retired and been replaced with Vicious Expression. Vicious Expression (NEW): You and your illusions deal increased damage to foes without boons. Disabling a foe removes 2 boons in PvE, and 1 boon in PvP and WvW. Elusive Mind: This trait no longer stunbreaks or inflicts exhaustion. Increased the number of conditions cleansed from 1 to 3 in PvE, and to 2 in PvP and WvW. Shatters Mind Wrack: Adjusted as follows. One Clone Shattered: Reduced power coefficient from 1.15 to 1.0 Two Clones Shattered: Reduced power coefficient per strike from 0.92 to 0.7 Three Clones Shattered: Reduced power coefficient per strike from 0.805 to 0.613 Chrono Shatters Split Second: Adjusted as follows. One Clone Shattered: Reduced power coefficient from 1.15 to 1.0 Two Clones Shattered: Reduced power coefficient per strike from 0.92 to 0.7 Three Clones Shattered: Reduced power coefficient per strike from 0.805 to 0.613 Weapons Greatsword Spatial Surge: Reduced minimum power coefficient per strike from 0.23 to 0.15. Reduced maximum power coefficient from 0.335 to 0.223 Mirror Blade: Increased cooldown from 5 seconds to 8 seconds Mind Stab: Reduced power coefficient from 1.0 to 0.7 Phantasmal Berserker: Reduced phantasm power coefficient per strike from 0.23 to 0.15 Illusionary Wave: Reduced power coefficient from 0.3 to 0.01. Reduced cooldown from 30 seconds to 25 seconds Staff Winds of Chaos: Reduced power coefficient from 0.3 to 0.2 Phase Retreat: Increased cooldown from 10 seconds to 12 seconds Phantasmal Warlock: WvW will now use the PvP version of the skill (1 warlock summoned) Scepter Autoattack Chain: Reduced power coefficients from 0.5/0.5/0.75 to 0.333/0.333/0.5 Illusionary Counter: Increased cooldown from 8 seconds to 12 seconds. WvW will now use the PvP version of the skill (1 clone summoned) Confusing Images: Reduced power coefficient per strike from 0.38 to 0.255 Sword Autoattack Chain: Adjusted as follows Mind Slash: Reduced power coefficient from 0.75 to 0.5 Mind Gash: Reduced power coefficient from 0.75 to 0.5 Mind Spike: Reduced base power coefficient from 1.0 to 0.666. Reduced power coefficient against foes with no boons from 2.0 to 1.333 Blurred Frenzy: Reduced power coefficient per strike from 0.2564 to 0.128 Sword OH Illusionary Riposte: Reduced power coefficient from 2.0 to 1.0 Phantasmal Swordsman: Reduced power coefficient of the phantasm leap attack from 0.5 to 0.35, Reduced power coefficient per strike of the phantasm flurry attack from 0.15 to 0.1 Focus Phantasmal Warden: Reduced power coefficient per strike of the warden attack from 0.138 to 0.1 Pistol Phantasmal Duelist: Reduced power coefficient per strike of the phantasm attack from 0.115 to 0.1 Magic Bullet: Reduced power coefficient from 0.2 to 0.01. Reduced stun duration from 2.5 seconds to 2 seconds Torch The Prestige: Reduced power coefficient from 1.0 to 0.5 Shield Tides of Time: Reduced power coefficient from 0.8 to 0.01 Axe Autoattack Chain: Reduced power coefficients from 0.55/0.55/1.1 to 0.366/0.366/0.732 Lingering Thoughts: Increased ammo recharge from 10 seconds to 12 seconds Axes of Symmetry: Increased cooldown from 10 seconds to 15 seconds Heal Ether Feast: Increased cooldown from 20 seconds to 25 seconds Mantra of Recovery: Increased cooldown from 10 seconds to 18 seconds Mirror: Increased cooldown from 15 seconds to 20 seconds Signet of the Ether: Reduced illusion summon base heal from 350 to 297 Well of Eternity: Reduced initial base heal from 3230 to 2099. Reduced ending heal coefficient from 1.2 to 0.8 False Oasis: Reduced pulse base heal from 1620 to 1215. Reduced pulse heal coefficient from 0.5 to 0.2 Utility Decoy: Increased cooldown from 40 seconds to 45 seconds Mirror Images: Increased cooldown from 30 seconds to 35 seconds Arcane Thievery: Reduced quickness and slow duration from 4 seconds to 2 seconds Blink: Increased cooldown from 30 seconds to 35 seconds Mantra of Concentration: Increased cooldown from 15 seconds to 60 seconds. Increased ammo recharge from 30 seconds to 45 seconds Mantra of Distraction: Reduced diversion recharge from 15 seconds to 10 seconds Power Lock (from Mantra of Distraction): Reduced daze duration from 1.5 seconds to 1 second Power Spike (from Mantra of Pain): Reduced power coefficient from 1.33 to 0.45. Adjusted vulnerability from 5 stacks for 8 seconds to 12 stacks for 6 seconds Mantra of Resolve: Increased cooldown from 12 seconds to 25 seconds Signet of Midnight: Increased cooldown from 30 seconds to 35 seconds Well of Action: Reduced quickness duration from 5 seconds to 3 seconds Well of Precognition: Increased cooldown from 30 seconds to 45 seconds Sand Through Glass: Increased cooldown from 25 seconds to 30 seconds Elite Mass Invisibility: Increased cooldown from 60 seconds to 75 seconds Gravity Well: Reduced pulse power coefficient from 0.6 to 0.01. Reduced final power coefficient from 2.4 to 0.01 Reduced cooldown from 90 seconds to 60 seconds Traits Domination Dazzling: Reduced vulnerability duration from 8 seconds to 6 seconds Rending Shatter: Reduced vulnerability duration from 8 seconds to 6 seconds Furious Interruption: Reduced quickness duration from 3 seconds to 2 seconds Power Block: Reduced weakness duration from 5 seconds to 3 seconds Dueling Sharper Images: Reduced bleeding duration from 5 seconds to 2 seconds Desperate Decoy: Increased cooldown from 40 seconds to 120 seconds Duelist's Discipline: Reduced bleeding duration from 3 seconds to 2 seconds Evasive Mirror: Reduced mirror duration from 2 seconds to 1.5 seconds Chaos Metaphysical Rejuvenation: Reduced regeneration duration from 10 seconds to 5 seconds Illusionary Membrane: Reduced protection duration from 3 seconds to 2 seconds Chaotic Persistence: Reduced bonus boon and condition duration per boon from 2% to 1% Method of Madness: Increased cooldown from 35 seconds to 75 seconds Master of Manipulation: Reduced superspeed duration from 3 seconds to 1.5 seconds Chaotic Transference: Increased toughness to condition damage conversion from 7% to 13%. Reduced concentration to expertise conversion from 13% to 5% Chaotic Dampening: Reduced protection duration from 4 seconds to 2.5 seconds Bountiful Disillusionment: Reduced might duration from 8 seconds to 6 seconds Inspiration Restorative Illusions: Reduced heal coefficient from 0.77 to 0.46 Mental Defense; Increased internal cooldown from 50 seconds to 90 seconds Illusions Phantasmal Haste: Reduced quickness duration from 1.5 seconds to 1 second Maim the Disillusioned: Reduced torment duration from 4 seconds to 3 seconds Phantasmal Force: Reduced might duration from 10 seconds to 6 seconds Chronomancer Delayed Reactions: Reduced slow duration from 3 seconds to 1.5 seconds Seize the Moment: Reduced quickness duration from 2 seconds to 1 second Mirage Mirage Cloak: This trait now reduces the mirage's endurance by 50 in competitive modes Renewing Oasis: Reduced regeneration duration from 4 seconds to 2.5 seconds Dune Cloak: Reduced power coefficient from 1.0 to 0.5 EDIT 1 What I dont like about these changes : NO MECHANICS WERE CHANGED, its just the numbers going down, and cooldowns going down and nothing else. 2 By skimming through the patches damage goes down across the board, but condi cleanse stays the same. Condi damage in general might be dead after the patch. 3 CC damage went down by ALOT, but since mesmer deals no damage with CC already, we are unaffected. 4 Mirage might be dead after -50 endurance change 5 CI and EM ( placeholder traits ) still have not been replaced. My thoughts and conclusion : Condi mes ( mirage ) gets hard nerfed by bleed on crit nerf and amulet removal, propably about 50% damage nerf if not more. I expect it to be dead. mirage = dead chrono = dead And I suspect that core mesmer will be VERY bad. My biggest hope is in power core that MIGHT be playable, but I fully expect mesmer to be the weakest class in the game. Please share your thoughts yall. Links to posts https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/96744/balance-patch-preview-pvp#latest https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/96747/balance-patch-preview-global Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrono.9468 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Mirage Cloak: This trait now reduces the mirage's endurance by 50 in competitive modes at least have the decency to say that you are going to include a tradeoff for the mirage in the patch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gryxis.6950 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Condi cleanse stay the same (except on firebrand) but condi damage do not change that much either. Power damage got way more nerfs, and sustain got nerfed a lot aswell. I think condi damage will be better after this actually. But yeah the -50 endurance is a really hard hit to mirage, we might start to see more core mesmers than mirages now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted January 31, 2020 Author Share Posted January 31, 2020 > @"Gryxis.6950" said: > Condi cleanse stay the same (except on firebrand) but condi damage do not change that much either. Power damage got way more nerfs, and sustain got nerfed a lot aswell. I think condi damage will be better after this actually. But yeah the -50 endurance is a really hard hit to mirage, we might start to see more core mesmers than mirages now. Condi amulets got removed, and this -> Sharper Images: Reduced bleeding duration from 5 seconds to 2 seconds + without ambushes core SRSL lacks the damage as it is. But my biggest worry is, thief wasnt nerfed all that hard and since it shits on mesmer.... Looking at these changed I suspect core power mesmer might be a thing. f1 shatter wasnt nerfed as hard, all our CC deals no damage so it wasnt nerfed too. Time will tell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted January 31, 2020 Author Share Posted January 31, 2020 BIG EDIT more changes here https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/96747/balance-patch-preview-global EM is no longer the worst trait in the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gryxis.6950 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > Condi amulets got removed, and this -> Sharper Images: Reduced bleeding duration from 5 seconds to 2 seconds > + without ambushes core SRSL lacks the damage as it is. > But my biggest worry is, thief wasnt nerfed all that hard and since it kitten on mesmer.... > Looking at these changed I suspect core power mesmer might be a thing. > f1 shatter wasnt nerfed as hard, all our CC deals no damage so it wasnt nerfed too. Time will tell Well I'm mostly a wvw player so I didn't notice the fact amulets got removed, I'm used to the trailblazer condi mirages (which won't really get hit by the sharper images nerf). In there I suspect core bunker condi mesmer might be the next thing as it was alreay pretty strong and did not get nerf as much as anything else. But in pvp yeah I guess if the amulets got removed power mesmer will be the next thing. And power mirage might still be alive considering they didn't nerf the ambush's damage (and the greatsword ambush was pretty strong) but they nerfed the sustain. But yeah it'll be hard for any mirage i feel like. Also I really don't get the huge nerf to the mantra of concentration, if it was too strong which does not feel like it a lighter nerf would have been good enough (and i even less get the nerf to mental defense this trait has been trash since ages) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simonoly.4352 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 I'm assuming that Mirage -50% endurance has been thoroughly tested in the context of all the other nerfs and changes and is actually a functional change. Otherwise it's going to be utterly unplayable. Sacrificing not just half of your endurance but also the movement involved with regular dodging. Oh deary me. I also assume that this means Mirage Cloak itself will be buffed to be far more potent and the Ambush Skills will become super dangerous and impactful now that the resource powering them has been halved. A resource I must add, that's already in competition with its use for simply dodging. Mirage might die yes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gryxis.6950 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 oh i didn't notice there was a global balance patch view hold on i'll read it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted January 31, 2020 Author Share Posted January 31, 2020 > @"Simonoly.4352" said: > I'm assuming that Mirage -50% endurance has been thoroughly tested in the context of all the other nerfs and changes and is actually a functional change. Otherwise it's going to be utterly unplayable. Sacrificing not just half of your endurance but also the movement involved with regular dodging. Oh deary me. > > I also assume that this means Mirage Cloak itself will be buffed to be far more potent and the Ambush Skills will become super dangerous and impactful now that the resource powering them has been halved. A resource I must add, that's already in competition with its use for simply dodging. > > Mirage might die yes... I doubt they did any testing above " it doesnt crash the game ". there is ALOT of nerfs that are for the sake of it. like mental defence ( gryxis mention it already ) nerf to decoy or other useless trait. Implemented as a "lets nerf everything just to be safe" option. I crunched some numbers and new GS trait might actually lower damage for example, kekW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansau.7326 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Carrion and Sage amulets will still be there. Condi mirage or condi core in bunker mode might be the only option for pvp. Anyway, be prepared for thief ruling pvp and wvw in godmode while others will have to accept becoming peasants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayga.3192 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 > @"Ansau.7326" said: > condi core in bunker mode might be the only option for pvp. Something like this: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PiwAYtzlVwuYJMFGKeuT7reA-z5YXGRWBZmCaMA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NICENIKESHOE.7128 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Haha mirror blade bouncing 6 times is going to be hilarious, though it only really meant one extra hit for opponent(s). Core mesmer is definitely going to surpass mirage after they gutted endurance, and chrono is already dead in PvP. The boon removals are welcome, if only they changed negligible rending shatter to a new trait that deal x damage (or heck apply 3x 3s vulnerability) on boon removals to see real punishments for boonspams (part of reason why I swap to spellbreaker). Though it really depend on how bad other profession's boon generation skills are nerfed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moradorin.6217 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 > @"Ansau.7326" said: > Carrion and Sage amulets will still be there. Condi mirage or condi core in bunker mode might be the only option for pvp. > Anyway, be prepared for thief ruling pvp and wvw in godmode while others will have to accept becoming peasants. Its been heading that way anyway. The game is just not what is was. It seems like its heading to zero awfully fast sadly. Ohh well. Sad day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jables.4659 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Nerfing mirage's endurance bar in half is insanity. I understand that there are large nerfs across the board, but this is just too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliamRationem.5172 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 > @"Jables.4659" said: > Nerfing mirage's endurance bar in half is insanity. I understand that there are large nerfs across the board, but this is just too much. Yeah, it seems a little extreme... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flog.3485 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 > @"AliamRationem.5172" said: > > @"Jables.4659" said: > > Nerfing mirage's endurance bar in half is insanity. I understand that there are large nerfs across the board, but this is just too much. > > Yeah, it seems a little extreme... Personally fail to see how this is an extreme change. I mean we have a trait, a heal skill and utility skills (it might actually make them worth using) that generate mirage cristals to get some evade uptime. Plus, dueling will still be able to make mesmer gain endurance and we all know it is easier to recharge 1 endurance bar than 2. That is also the only nerf that makes it acceptable to get evade uptime while being Cc’ed since they obviously have no intention to change that (whether it is a case of design choice or/and resource management). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted February 1, 2020 Author Share Posted February 1, 2020 > @"flog.3485" said: > > @"AliamRationem.5172" said: > > > @"Jables.4659" said: > > > Nerfing mirage's endurance bar in half is insanity. I understand that there are large nerfs across the board, but this is just too much. > > > > Yeah, it seems a little extreme... > > Personally fail to see how this is an extreme change. > I mean we have a trait, a heal skill and utility skills (it might actually make them worth using) that generate mirage cristals to get some evade uptime. Plus, dueling will still be able to make mesmer gain endurance and we all know it is easier to recharge 1 endurance bar than 2. > > That is also the only nerf that makes it acceptable to get evade uptime while being Cc’ed since they obviously have no intention to change that (whether it is a case of design choice or/and resource management). mirage needs to use dodges to deal any damage. immagine playing power mirage and using ambush, now you are stuck with 0 evades lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayga.3192 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Sand Through Glass seems ok now that mirage lacks a dodge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quadox.7834 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 > @"Tayga.3192" said: > Sand Through Glass seems ok now that mirage lacks a dodge. no but illusionary ambush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flog.3485 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > @"flog.3485" said: > > > @"AliamRationem.5172" said: > > > > @"Jables.4659" said: > > > > Nerfing mirage's endurance bar in half is insanity. I understand that there are large nerfs across the board, but this is just too much. > > > > > > Yeah, it seems a little extreme... > > > > Personally fail to see how this is an extreme change. > > I mean we have a trait, a heal skill and utility skills (it might actually make them worth using) that generate mirage cristals to get some evade uptime. Plus, dueling will still be able to make mesmer gain endurance and we all know it is easier to recharge 1 endurance bar than 2. > > > > That is also the only nerf that makes it acceptable to get evade uptime while being Cc’ed since they obviously have no intention to change that (whether it is a case of design choice or/and resource management). > > mirage needs to use dodges to deal any damage. > immagine playing power mirage and using ambush, now you are stuck with 0 evades lol. And the mechanic of dodge is produced by creating and destroying these mirage cristals. I mean, take a look at illusionary ambush: you don’t even need to create a cristal in order to gain the effect of mirage ambush for you to apply additional damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted February 1, 2020 Author Share Posted February 1, 2020 I wont use sand throught glass untill its bug is fixed, IA seems OK now, but we need to see how crippling -50 endurance will be. I bet this will compleatly fuck up endurance economy, removing something like 25 would make more sense, now endurance will keep being wasted. Nice elite mechanic xd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curunen.8729 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Interesting stuff, on board with most of it. I am apprehensive about this single dodge on mirage, though on the other hand I am also open and accepting to this change. However, if this is the case I believe the mirage cloak duration should go back to 1 second acting as a kind of "lesser distortion" that can't be chained, properly differentiating from normal dodge. Remembering the loss of a dodge bar has a number of consequences such as movement, defence and offence, not to mention taking care with not overcapping on endurance regains at the wrong time - good to give some challenge to skill. But this will be the only spec where you can't keep a dodge in your back pocket when burning one. Elusive Mind change is just boring though. Better than now and glad after 2 years it is finally addressed, but uninspired and not the most creative option to simply give it one additional cleanse. But it seems while in general it is a lot of number nerfs, it's doesn't look to be doing much to address passivity of mechanics - ie leaning on clone ambushes for damage application. Sure we'll all do less damage, but gameplay while slower still looks to be fairly monotonous as at present. Anyway, looking forward to a good reason to play and theory craft again. Hopefully this game takes a much needed turn for the better now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moradorin.6217 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Basically to me, it looks like mesmer is dead as a class for pvp and wvw other than GS burst if that still ends up working afterwards which is horribly sad to me. I really am at a total loss for words and cant really voice what Im thinking here due to forum rules. Not convinced the newest balance changes wont literally kill off what is left of the mesmer player base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliamRationem.5172 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > I wont use sand throught glass untill its bug is fixed, IA seems OK now, but we need to see how crippling -50 endurance will be. > I bet this will compleatly kitten up endurance economy, removing something like 25 would make more sense, now endurance will keep being wasted. > Nice elite mechanic xd No, no. You don't understand. It's okay because it's only PvP. Mirage still works in PvE, so we're cool. Good change! You just have to understand what they were trying to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted February 1, 2020 Author Share Posted February 1, 2020 > @"AliamRationem.5172" said: > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > I wont use sand throught glass untill its bug is fixed, IA seems OK now, but we need to see how crippling -50 endurance will be. > > I bet this will compleatly kitten up endurance economy, removing something like 25 would make more sense, now endurance will keep being wasted. > > Nice elite mechanic xd > > No, no. You don't understand. It's okay because it's only PvP. Mirage still works in PvE, so we're cool. Good change! You just have to understand what they were trying to do with it. same thing they did to chrono? xd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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