EremiteAngel.9765 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 WvW has been plagued with balance headache due to its large variety of gamestyles. Solo roaming, duo, party, havoc, raids, guilds, blobs etc. Balancing for one style is always going to affect the other styles. Now that PvP has branched from 5v5 to 2v2. The same headache occurs. Balancing for one mode is going to affect the other mode. Which mode do you prefer and think that balance should be focused on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poledra Val.1490 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 This should be unquestionable its all about 5v5 conquest balancing from the beggining and always should be, 2v2 is fun but it gets old real quick in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanAlcedo.3281 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 2v2 is and should be a fun side activity between seasons. Yes, the balance team should have an eye on it but never be the main priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zealex.9410 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 I kinda would prefer 3v3 and then maybe ask again what mode should be the fpcus of balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witcher.3197 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 5v5 allows for better build diversity and is more tactical, I prefer it. But 2v2 is fun if you just wanna unwind a bit. I'd like to see a 3v3 season a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exedore.6320 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 WvW's problem's are very different from PvP. WvW is at the whim of PvE additions (consumables, stats, runes and sigils, etc) Which PvP has restricted by design. 2v2 deathmatch balance would be a losing battle. 2v2 is all about finding some cheese combo and abusing it. Conquest avoids balance under a microscope by allowing different strategies to deal with small balance problems, such as decap instead of kill, mobility being important, avoiding fights you can't win, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falan.1839 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Balance has always to be done for 5v5 Conquest of course. 2v2 is really fun and I enjoy playing it a lot, but it will always boil down to very few or even just one prefered duo comp which simply has the best synergy for that mode. Be it Reaper/Tempest, Fb/Scourge, Fb/Corenec, FB/CondiRev or now possibly Reaper/Tempest again. 5v5 Conquest offers room for a lot more roles, and even though class stacking is always an issue there aswell (mostly due to poor balance), it will allow for a lot more variety compwise aswell as different playstyles (roaming and +1 oriented, teamfight oriented, bunker oriented...). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EremiteAngel.9765 Posted March 5, 2020 Author Share Posted March 5, 2020 So now the majority thinks that balance should be done on a 5v5 level. But there were so many threads and posts calling to nerf my poor necro **based on 2v2 performance!** And now my poor necro is so badly nerfed because it was overperforming in 2v2. But in 5v5 it wouldn't have been overperforming with its weak mobility and stability access where it can be out-rotated and stun-locked and focused and killed so much faster with more players on him. Woe be upon us necros! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna.7845 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 For the memez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggityzog.7389 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 2v2 is the best mode they currently have besides stronghold. Circlequest was just too boring with it being more about speed then skill. I welcome the 2v2 and hopefully 3v3 then a bigger tdm map. Anything but circlequest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daishi.6027 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 5v5 conquest is a terrible game and part of the reason why we have such little viewership. At least 2v2 stands a chance of getting views from those not already initiated thanks to significantly less visual noise and erratic map rotations. Yes this game was _always_ balanced on 5v5, but that's only because A-net wanted to jump on the band wagon of LoL and Dota. But sorry, appeals to tradition is simply a fallacy, and that argument holds little weight. If you genuinely think 5v5 is better that's fine and you're entitled to that opinion, but frankly we've lost so much potential game health by focusing on it, and sure. 2v2s by contrast might be a roflstomp with cheese builds; but that's simply why we need to balance... Also it's disingenuous to assume 5v5 isn't subject to that same fault, and least with 2v2 we narrow the scope while potentially pulling in more eyes. Plus I fail to see a situation where if 2v2 was balanced 5v5 wouldn't be... But I can see many situations where 5v5 is balanced where 2v2 isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution.5409 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 There doesn't have to be a mode in which to focus, balance must be made taking into consideration both game modes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xWiroo.3841 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 if they only made a 5v5 and 2v2 ranked queue separated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeqkOneStylez.8047 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 2 vs 2 is easily the better gamemode right now. The only way conquest would even come close is if you could 5 man ranked again and compete properly without playing a pug lottery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordrosicky.5813 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 2V2 will always be degenerate and about counter-speccing more than skill with a well-rounded build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huluobo.7036 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 5vs5 may encounter two less powerful teammates, 2vs2 has only one 5vs5 is not 5vs5 at all, it is 2vs1 or 3vs2, very few people are equal, 2vs2 is at least fair, and I do n’t want to have 5vs5 tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apharma.3741 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 I prefer stronghold, where was that option @"EremiteAngel.9765" ????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 I admit, Im having great fun with 2v2, but there is no way to balance it and conquest, and I think Conquest is much more balanceable (and interesting) than 2v2. Large aspects of the classes, mobility, abilities that affect entire teams, all become irrelevant in 2v2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crepuscular.9047 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 > @"zealex.9410" said: > I kinda would prefer 3v3 and then maybe ask again what mode should be the fpcus of balance. I concur, I think 3v3 would contribute more to the 5v5 balance than 2v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellesee.8297 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 2v2 and 3v3 are the only competitive mmo game modes in the history of all mmos. Nobody goes to blizzcon to watch arathi basin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternalYouth.5039 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 > @"Daishi.6027" said: > 5v5 conquest is a terrible game and part of the reason why we have such little viewership. It's the main reason I stopped playing years ago, and I'm betting I'm not the only one. Also, with respect to the OP, this poll is pretty pointless. It's like taking a poll in San Francisco and asking them who their favorite team is; the chiefs or the niners. Of course 5v5 is going to win. The people that still play are playing because they like the game mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exedore.6320 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 > @"ellesee.8297" said: > 2v2 and 3v3 are the only competitive mmo game modes in the history of all mmos. Nobody goes to blizzcon to watch arathi basin. No one goes to Blizzcon to watch WoW arena either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gryxis.6950 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 I just want a 1v1 season at some point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellesee.8297 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 > @"Exedore.6320" said: > > @"ellesee.8297" said: > > 2v2 and 3v3 are the only competitive mmo game modes in the history of all mmos. Nobody goes to blizzcon to watch arathi basin. > > No one goes to Blizzcon to watch WoW arena either. Why would you say something so easily disprovable? 2 seconds of googling and you can find images of the crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayga.3192 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 > @"Gryxis.6950" said: > I just want a 1v1 season at some point Moa op Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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