Jilora.9524

> @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > @"Cynz.9437" said: > > > @"SuchosCZ.2167" said: > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > @"SuchosCZ.2167" said: > > > > > > @"SteepledHat.1345" said: > > > > > >This "community" hates when thieves dodge to survive. They hate when they stealth to survive. They hate when they teleport to survive. > > > > > > > > > > Thats not true. People dont hate these mechanics. People hate, that thief has all of them... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Name one rogue in any mmo that doesn't. Wow-check, eso-check,bdo,check,ff14-check lol rogue archetype always use stealth, high evades and teleports in pretty much every mmo, it's what its thing is. Other classes have reveals, higher hp, higher armor, barriers, more access to blocks/shields, invulnerability skills and other defensive skills and in gw2 even other classes have access to teleports( rangers,guards,mesmer,ele,necro, rev etc) and also stealth( ranger,mesmer,guards with trappers etc) the real issue is rogue's are just generally disliked by the players who dont play them due to their universal playstyle, which is why the rogue complaining is the same on every mmo forum. Anet needs to learn to ignore the whining if they want to have a rogue like in their game. > > > > > > Never played most of the MMOs you mentioned. But i did play WoW like 10 years ago. From what i remember, you could go to stealth only out of combat or with Vanish, that had like 2 minutes cooldown. Also ANY DAMAGE would reveal you and i dont remember having any teleport at all, but there might be one. And are you really telling me, that there are skills for reveal ? really? which one ele have? LOL > > > There is like 9 skills that have reveal in the entire game (https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Revealed) and half of them are total garbage > > > > I have played rogue in wow, also above 2200 rating in arena and rbgs. WoW rogues were miles stronger than thieves in GW2. Rogues in wow could stunlock you to death and had actual teleports that worked and not GW2 version of "hey let's use long Cds or entire ini just get no valid path message". On top of it they had absolute long lasting evades and condi immunity which thief could only dream about. I spent a lot of time jumping into whole mob of enemies (high rated at that), murder someone quickly and get away. Every time. Unthinkable in GW2 even with suicide thief. You guys really don't know how good you have it with thief in this game compared to WoW and some other games. > > This 100%^ > I could only imagine the qq's if the thief in gw2 was designed similar to nightblade in eso, rogue in wow, ninja in bdo or dark runner in AAU lol. I donno something about gw2 attracts players that qq about everything that beats them a few times. There are no better players in gw2 just op builds so eventually every good build on every class gets gutted with 0 compensation leading to a game with all crappy dumbed down builds and playstyle and the few thst slip through the cracks that yr become fotm choice lol. You do get that this thread was a QQ by a thief and agreed with mostly by other thieves who also are qq'ing about it right? Not to say gw2 players don't qq about thieves or everything in general.

Like today cashwe character name from NA hides. We do the whole thing w 4 so you know 1s hiding. We all linger at the end nothing. The rest leave I run off one way come right back and here he comes to loot the chest. Like he hid and waited till when he thought everyone left. Fix that garbage anet. No contribute no loot simple. I block lable report but of course hes right back in another drm.

A token system like the runic armor where you can buy acc bound volcanic weapons. Or more rewards or remove the 5 min time suck at the beginning. Or kick/replace afk's in public. I do the daily just for the 2 chests from the daily/kill 25 mobs just to be able to save those to unlock next masteries faster so I can play less drm's in the future

> @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Gorani.7205" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone gets marked by Sentries and Watchtower upgrades. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't get the fuss Thief-main players make, like it denies them the ability to run around sentries in a bigger circle like everyone else (who roams on other professions) without the ability to stealth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And sorry (IMHO), if a thief players tries to ambush someone else right next to a tower with a gigantic rotating light on top, it is fair if he loses the advantage to stealth at will as long as he wants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marked has nothing to do with the SB#5 initiative increase. Don't mix up correlation with causality. ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone gets marked yet not everyone relies on Stealth to survive,a thing you clearly arent understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, Thief's don't complain about watchtowers and sentry's because they keep getting marked and killed. Both are easily avoidable by anyone paying attention. They complain because they can't get a kill right up to the tower door or couldn't chase someone because they were running towards a sentry. It is the biggest pointless complaint I have ever heard. Half the time if i'm looking for fights I get marked on purpose so they show up but yeah if you are dying because of a sentry and watchtower as a thief we can't help you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where do you even see me complain or making a statement that i'm dying to it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This forum,lmao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't because no one does so the complaint is pointless. I said if you as in any thief not you personally. So when you personally say Not everyone relies on stealth to survive it infers that because of marked you don't survive because if you do survive then marked isn't a problem now is it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The complaint isnt pointless but its only something you understand if you actually Play the class yourself,which you dont. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well you need stealth to survive and the topic is adjust sentrys and watchtowers and you don't die because of it. So what's the issue then. Why does something that doesn't cause you to die matter? How is that not pointless. Why don't you explain how you can't avoid these or what issues it causes you? Did someone pre bronze get away? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just answered that. A thing you dont understand unless you play the spec yourself. The issue has been presented numerous times on the forum,i also have been vocal about it in the past and not about to keep repeating myself. Again,play the class and you see the issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, bud. That's not an answer. Play the spec and you will see is not an answer. If you don't like repeating yourself then don't enter threads about something you don't want to repeat yourself about because I don't know you or read any other threads on this topic and remember what you who again I don't know said in the past. I'm just going to go you were denied a kill because of this or you got marked cause you are too oblivious of sentry spawns and the 1 watchtower a map and someone came and killed you. Again if you can't avoid static sentry spawns and the 1 watchtower a map(most times none) I can't help you and I won't play some class that can't adjust to sentry's and watchtowers cause that must be suffocating. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You just dont get it,dont worry its fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Na, it's not. I might change my mind because these sentry's and the occasional watch towers are so oppressive thieves can not enjoy WvW. I would like everyone to enjoy WvW so something must be done. All sentry's should immediately be deleted and replaced by a pre bronze player who has to just stand there and can only be killed by thieves. This is obviously much more of an issue then I imagined even tho I can avoid both sentry's and watchtowers if I want to on reapers or guardian so I just didn't know. I agree with you now. We must free the thieves from this oppression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because i made a comment at someone different as you where you feel the need to jump in, doesnt mean im into starting a useless argument with someone whos never even touched the class. > > > > > > > > > > > > But you did tho. And that's how forums work. Anyone can engage or chose not to and there are no reqs you must play this class to comment or only respond to things you 100 percent understand. It's ok tho. You converted my to your side with your persuasive arguments. > > > > > > > > > > Thats what i mean,people like you start arguments for the sake of starting an argument because you have nothing else going on in your life. Ill lay it out since you cannot understand the fact how important stealth is for a thief. Looking at the radius of reveals being applied by towers/keeps and sentry,s are areas where a thief with a brain would not engage in fights,thats a large part of the map. If youve read what the op said and what ive said you should have been able to come to your own conclusions as to how a mechanic like that can mess up the gameplay of someone that relies on stealth being a vital part of a build. Imagine if w/e brainded spec you run,your blocks or invulns would be shut down in all those areas where youre being marked,tell me you find that fair ? No dont tell me,because youl start another bs argument how you would find it fair just cus you have no kitten clue what youre talking about. > > > > > > > > Yea I know man. It's totally the same thing. Of course I did scroll down your prior comments for fun because as you said I have no life. You played DE right. Yeah thats not a brain dead class. How many times have you killed a player from stealth and basically killed him 100-0 before he could even hit you because of stealth. But that's just perfect right?. That's all skill on your part right? And because you can't do that near a sentry and again the very few towers like QL or Mendons or maybe a north t3 one on a BL you can't play and it's unfair. I didn't start an argument. I just disagreed that this marked matters to basically anyone because we can all avoid sentry's. I'm power reaper and if I couldn't use shroud near a sentry I would just avoid the sentry which isn't much of the map as you are trying to pretend it is. And even if you kill the sentry and take the full 30seconds of marked Hardly anyone ever shows up anyway so you can go back to stealth and now you own the sentry to mark another player and you can happily hide in stealth till he comes to kill the sentry get marked and you can 100-0 him. > > > > Sentry's and watchtowers are a non-issue to everyone except thieves it seems and your excuses just don't add up. And by your excuses I mean every thief not you personally as that confused you before. > > > > > > > > > Get a hobby. > > > > If you can't handle someone disagreeing with you on the forums don't use them. Responding is optional. You also can lose an argument sometimes or disagree or straight up ignore me and not respond. > > You should probably read back a bit and realize my first comment was "Everyone gets marked yet not everyone relies on Stealth to survive,a thing you clearly arent understanding." Again a thing you dont understand unless you have played the class yourself,whats there to disagree ? Nothing,like i said youre one of those people that likes start useless arguments because you have made zero sense so far. While i alrdy explained what the real issue is,you ignore it and reply with nonsense. One more time, Play ze class and you will find out. And then you laughed because you never died because of marked which again makes me go why does it matter then. But hey I think it doesn't matter you can't adjust and play thief because of sentry's. You don't explain cause if I go roll a DE I will avoid sentry's or kill the sentry get marked so someone comes and then kill them. Unless you are getting surprised by randomly spawning sentry's who mark you mid fight it again is a non-issue. I did see you started a thread in 2019 so this is a core issue for you. Not your war tho so play that.

> @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Gorani.7205" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone gets marked by Sentries and Watchtower upgrades. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't get the fuss Thief-main players make, like it denies them the ability to run around sentries in a bigger circle like everyone else (who roams on other professions) without the ability to stealth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And sorry (IMHO), if a thief players tries to ambush someone else right next to a tower with a gigantic rotating light on top, it is fair if he loses the advantage to stealth at will as long as he wants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marked has nothing to do with the SB#5 initiative increase. Don't mix up correlation with causality. ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone gets marked yet not everyone relies on Stealth to survive,a thing you clearly arent understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, Thief's don't complain about watchtowers and sentry's because they keep getting marked and killed. Both are easily avoidable by anyone paying attention. They complain because they can't get a kill right up to the tower door or couldn't chase someone because they were running towards a sentry. It is the biggest pointless complaint I have ever heard. Half the time if i'm looking for fights I get marked on purpose so they show up but yeah if you are dying because of a sentry and watchtower as a thief we can't help you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where do you even see me complain or making a statement that i'm dying to it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This forum,lmao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't because no one does so the complaint is pointless. I said if you as in any thief not you personally. So when you personally say Not everyone relies on stealth to survive it infers that because of marked you don't survive because if you do survive then marked isn't a problem now is it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The complaint isnt pointless but its only something you understand if you actually Play the class yourself,which you dont. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well you need stealth to survive and the topic is adjust sentrys and watchtowers and you don't die because of it. So what's the issue then. Why does something that doesn't cause you to die matter? How is that not pointless. Why don't you explain how you can't avoid these or what issues it causes you? Did someone pre bronze get away? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just answered that. A thing you dont understand unless you play the spec yourself. The issue has been presented numerous times on the forum,i also have been vocal about it in the past and not about to keep repeating myself. Again,play the class and you see the issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, bud. That's not an answer. Play the spec and you will see is not an answer. If you don't like repeating yourself then don't enter threads about something you don't want to repeat yourself about because I don't know you or read any other threads on this topic and remember what you who again I don't know said in the past. I'm just going to go you were denied a kill because of this or you got marked cause you are too oblivious of sentry spawns and the 1 watchtower a map and someone came and killed you. Again if you can't avoid static sentry spawns and the 1 watchtower a map(most times none) I can't help you and I won't play some class that can't adjust to sentry's and watchtowers cause that must be suffocating. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You just dont get it,dont worry its fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > Na, it's not. I might change my mind because these sentry's and the occasional watch towers are so oppressive thieves can not enjoy WvW. I would like everyone to enjoy WvW so something must be done. All sentry's should immediately be deleted and replaced by a pre bronze player who has to just stand there and can only be killed by thieves. This is obviously much more of an issue then I imagined even tho I can avoid both sentry's and watchtowers if I want to on reapers or guardian so I just didn't know. I agree with you now. We must free the thieves from this oppression. > > > > > > > > > > Just because i made a comment at someone different as you where you feel the need to jump in, doesnt mean im into starting a useless argument with someone whos never even touched the class. > > > > > > > > But you did tho. And that's how forums work. Anyone can engage or chose not to and there are no reqs you must play this class to comment or only respond to things you 100 percent understand. It's ok tho. You converted my to your side with your persuasive arguments. > > > > > > Thats what i mean,people like you start arguments for the sake of starting an argument because you have nothing else going on in your life. Ill lay it out since you cannot understand the fact how important stealth is for a thief. Looking at the radius of reveals being applied by towers/keeps and sentry,s are areas where a thief with a brain would not engage in fights,thats a large part of the map. If youve read what the op said and what ive said you should have been able to come to your own conclusions as to how a mechanic like that can mess up the gameplay of someone that relies on stealth being a vital part of a build. Imagine if w/e brainded spec you run,your blocks or invulns would be shut down in all those areas where youre being marked,tell me you find that fair ? No dont tell me,because youl start another bs argument how you would find it fair just cus you have no kitten clue what youre talking about. > > > > Yea I know man. It's totally the same thing. Of course I did scroll down your prior comments for fun because as you said I have no life. You played DE right. Yeah thats not a brain dead class. How many times have you killed a player from stealth and basically killed him 100-0 before he could even hit you because of stealth. But that's just perfect right?. That's all skill on your part right? And because you can't do that near a sentry and again the very few towers like QL or Mendons or maybe a north t3 one on a BL you can't play and it's unfair. I didn't start an argument. I just disagreed that this marked matters to basically anyone because we can all avoid sentry's. I'm power reaper and if I couldn't use shroud near a sentry I would just avoid the sentry which isn't much of the map as you are trying to pretend it is. And even if you kill the sentry and take the full 30seconds of marked Hardly anyone ever shows up anyway so you can go back to stealth and now you own the sentry to mark another player and you can happily hide in stealth till he comes to kill the sentry get marked and you can 100-0 him. > > Sentry's and watchtowers are a non-issue to everyone except thieves it seems and your excuses just don't add up. And by your excuses I mean every thief not you personally as that confused you before. > > > Get a hobby. If you can't handle someone disagreeing with you on the forums don't use them. Responding is optional. You also can lose an argument sometimes or disagree or straight up ignore me and not respond.

> @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Gorani.7205" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone gets marked by Sentries and Watchtower upgrades. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't get the fuss Thief-main players make, like it denies them the ability to run around sentries in a bigger circle like everyone else (who roams on other professions) without the ability to stealth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And sorry (IMHO), if a thief players tries to ambush someone else right next to a tower with a gigantic rotating light on top, it is fair if he loses the advantage to stealth at will as long as he wants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marked has nothing to do with the SB#5 initiative increase. Don't mix up correlation with causality. ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone gets marked yet not everyone relies on Stealth to survive,a thing you clearly arent understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, Thief's don't complain about watchtowers and sentry's because they keep getting marked and killed. Both are easily avoidable by anyone paying attention. They complain because they can't get a kill right up to the tower door or couldn't chase someone because they were running towards a sentry. It is the biggest pointless complaint I have ever heard. Half the time if i'm looking for fights I get marked on purpose so they show up but yeah if you are dying because of a sentry and watchtower as a thief we can't help you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where do you even see me complain or making a statement that i'm dying to it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This forum,lmao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't because no one does so the complaint is pointless. I said if you as in any thief not you personally. So when you personally say Not everyone relies on stealth to survive it infers that because of marked you don't survive because if you do survive then marked isn't a problem now is it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The complaint isnt pointless but its only something you understand if you actually Play the class yourself,which you dont. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well you need stealth to survive and the topic is adjust sentrys and watchtowers and you don't die because of it. So what's the issue then. Why does something that doesn't cause you to die matter? How is that not pointless. Why don't you explain how you can't avoid these or what issues it causes you? Did someone pre bronze get away? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just answered that. A thing you dont understand unless you play the spec yourself. The issue has been presented numerous times on the forum,i also have been vocal about it in the past and not about to keep repeating myself. Again,play the class and you see the issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, bud. That's not an answer. Play the spec and you will see is not an answer. If you don't like repeating yourself then don't enter threads about something you don't want to repeat yourself about because I don't know you or read any other threads on this topic and remember what you who again I don't know said in the past. I'm just going to go you were denied a kill because of this or you got marked cause you are too oblivious of sentry spawns and the 1 watchtower a map and someone came and killed you. Again if you can't avoid static sentry spawns and the 1 watchtower a map(most times none) I can't help you and I won't play some class that can't adjust to sentry's and watchtowers cause that must be suffocating. > > > > > > > > > > You just dont get it,dont worry its fine. > > > > > > > > Na, it's not. I might change my mind because these sentry's and the occasional watch towers are so oppressive thieves can not enjoy WvW. I would like everyone to enjoy WvW so something must be done. All sentry's should immediately be deleted and replaced by a pre bronze player who has to just stand there and can only be killed by thieves. This is obviously much more of an issue then I imagined even tho I can avoid both sentry's and watchtowers if I want to on reapers or guardian so I just didn't know. I agree with you now. We must free the thieves from this oppression. > > > > > > Just because i made a comment at someone different as you where you feel the need to jump in, doesnt mean im into starting a useless argument with someone whos never even touched the class. > > > > But you did tho. And that's how forums work. Anyone can engage or chose not to and there are no reqs you must play this class to comment or only respond to things you 100 percent understand. It's ok tho. You converted my to your side with your persuasive arguments. > > Thats what i mean,people like you start arguments for the sake of starting an argument because you have nothing else going on in your life. Ill lay it out since you cannot understand the fact how important stealth is for a thief. Looking at the radius of reveals being applied by towers/keeps and sentry,s are areas where a thief with a brain would not engage in fights,thats a large part of the map. If youve read what the op said and what ive said you should have been able to come to your own conclusions as to how a mechanic like that can mess up the gameplay of someone that relies on stealth being a vital part of a build. Imagine if w/e brainded spec you run,your blocks or invulns would be shut down in all those areas where youre being marked,tell me you find that fair ? No dont tell me,because youl start another bs argument how you would find it fair just cus you have no kitten clue what youre talking about. Yea I know man. It's totally the same thing. Of course I did scroll down your prior comments for fun because as you said I have no life. You played DE right. Yeah thats not a brain dead class. How many times have you killed a player from stealth and basically killed him 100-0 before he could even hit you because of stealth. But that's just perfect right?. That's all skill on your part right? And because you can't do that near a sentry and again the very few towers like QL or Mendons or maybe a north t3 one on a BL you can't play and it's unfair. I didn't start an argument. I just disagreed that this marked matters to basically anyone because we can all avoid sentry's. I'm power reaper and if I couldn't use shroud near a sentry I would just avoid the sentry which isn't much of the map as you are trying to pretend it is. And even if you kill the sentry and take the full 30seconds of marked Hardly anyone ever shows up anyway so you can go back to stealth and now you own the sentry to mark another player and you can happily hide in stealth till he comes to kill the sentry get marked and you can 100-0 him. Sentry's and watchtowers are a non-issue to everyone except thieves it seems and your excuses just don't add up. And by your excuses I mean every thief not you personally as that confused you before.

> @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Gorani.7205" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone gets marked by Sentries and Watchtower upgrades. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't get the fuss Thief-main players make, like it denies them the ability to run around sentries in a bigger circle like everyone else (who roams on other professions) without the ability to stealth. > > > > > > > > > > > > And sorry (IMHO), if a thief players tries to ambush someone else right next to a tower with a gigantic rotating light on top, it is fair if he loses the advantage to stealth at will as long as he wants. > > > > > > > > > > > > Marked has nothing to do with the SB#5 initiative increase. Don't mix up correlation with causality. ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone gets marked yet not everyone relies on Stealth to survive,a thing you clearly arent understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, Thief's don't complain about watchtowers and sentry's because they keep getting marked and killed. Both are easily avoidable by anyone paying attention. They complain because they can't get a kill right up to the tower door or couldn't chase someone because they were running towards a sentry. It is the biggest pointless complaint I have ever heard. Half the time if i'm looking for fights I get marked on purpose so they show up but yeah if you are dying because of a sentry and watchtower as a thief we can't help you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where do you even see me complain or making a statement that i'm dying to it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This forum,lmao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't because no one does so the complaint is pointless. I said if you as in any thief not you personally. So when you personally say Not everyone relies on stealth to survive it infers that because of marked you don't survive because if you do survive then marked isn't a problem now is it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The complaint isnt pointless but its only something you understand if you actually Play the class yourself,which you dont. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well you need stealth to survive and the topic is adjust sentrys and watchtowers and you don't die because of it. So what's the issue then. Why does something that doesn't cause you to die matter? How is that not pointless. Why don't you explain how you can't avoid these or what issues it causes you? Did someone pre bronze get away? > > > > > > > > > > I just answered that. A thing you dont understand unless you play the spec yourself. The issue has been presented numerous times on the forum,i also have been vocal about it in the past and not about to keep repeating myself. Again,play the class and you see the issue. > > > > > > > > Ok, bud. That's not an answer. Play the spec and you will see is not an answer. If you don't like repeating yourself then don't enter threads about something you don't want to repeat yourself about because I don't know you or read any other threads on this topic and remember what you who again I don't know said in the past. I'm just going to go you were denied a kill because of this or you got marked cause you are too oblivious of sentry spawns and the 1 watchtower a map and someone came and killed you. Again if you can't avoid static sentry spawns and the 1 watchtower a map(most times none) I can't help you and I won't play some class that can't adjust to sentry's and watchtowers cause that must be suffocating. > > > > > > You just dont get it,dont worry its fine. > > > > Na, it's not. I might change my mind because these sentry's and the occasional watch towers are so oppressive thieves can not enjoy WvW. I would like everyone to enjoy WvW so something must be done. All sentry's should immediately be deleted and replaced by a pre bronze player who has to just stand there and can only be killed by thieves. This is obviously much more of an issue then I imagined even tho I can avoid both sentry's and watchtowers if I want to on reapers or guardian so I just didn't know. I agree with you now. We must free the thieves from this oppression. > > Just because i made a comment at someone different as you where you feel the need to jump in, doesnt mean im into starting a useless argument with someone whos never even touched the class. But you did tho. And that's how forums work. Anyone can engage or chose not to and there are no reqs you must play this class to comment or only respond to things you 100 percent understand. It's ok tho. You converted my to your side with your persuasive arguments.

> @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Gorani.7205" said: > > > > > > > > > > Everyone gets marked by Sentries and Watchtower upgrades. > > > > > > > > > > I don't get the fuss Thief-main players make, like it denies them the ability to run around sentries in a bigger circle like everyone else (who roams on other professions) without the ability to stealth. > > > > > > > > > > And sorry (IMHO), if a thief players tries to ambush someone else right next to a tower with a gigantic rotating light on top, it is fair if he loses the advantage to stealth at will as long as he wants. > > > > > > > > > > Marked has nothing to do with the SB#5 initiative increase. Don't mix up correlation with causality. ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone gets marked yet not everyone relies on Stealth to survive,a thing you clearly arent understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, Thief's don't complain about watchtowers and sentry's because they keep getting marked and killed. Both are easily avoidable by anyone paying attention. They complain because they can't get a kill right up to the tower door or couldn't chase someone because they were running towards a sentry. It is the biggest pointless complaint I have ever heard. Half the time if i'm looking for fights I get marked on purpose so they show up but yeah if you are dying because of a sentry and watchtower as a thief we can't help you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where do you even see me complain or making a statement that i'm dying to it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This forum,lmao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't because no one does so the complaint is pointless. I said if you as in any thief not you personally. So when you personally say Not everyone relies on stealth to survive it infers that because of marked you don't survive because if you do survive then marked isn't a problem now is it? > > > > > > > > > > The complaint isnt pointless but its only something you understand if you actually Play the class yourself,which you dont. > > > > > > > > Well you need stealth to survive and the topic is adjust sentrys and watchtowers and you don't die because of it. So what's the issue then. Why does something that doesn't cause you to die matter? How is that not pointless. Why don't you explain how you can't avoid these or what issues it causes you? Did someone pre bronze get away? > > > > > > I just answered that. A thing you dont understand unless you play the spec yourself. The issue has been presented numerous times on the forum,i also have been vocal about it in the past and not about to keep repeating myself. Again,play the class and you see the issue. > > > > Ok, bud. That's not an answer. Play the spec and you will see is not an answer. If you don't like repeating yourself then don't enter threads about something you don't want to repeat yourself about because I don't know you or read any other threads on this topic and remember what you who again I don't know said in the past. I'm just going to go you were denied a kill because of this or you got marked cause you are too oblivious of sentry spawns and the 1 watchtower a map and someone came and killed you. Again if you can't avoid static sentry spawns and the 1 watchtower a map(most times none) I can't help you and I won't play some class that can't adjust to sentry's and watchtowers cause that must be suffocating. > > You just dont get it,dont worry its fine. Na, it's not. I might change my mind because these sentry's and the occasional watch towers are so oppressive thieves can not enjoy WvW. I would like everyone to enjoy WvW so something must be done. All sentry's should immediately be deleted and replaced by a pre bronze player who has to just stand there and can only be killed by thieves. This is obviously much more of an issue then I imagined even tho I can avoid both sentry's and watchtowers if I want to on reapers or guardian so I just didn't know. I agree with you now. We must free the thieves from this oppression.

> @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > @"Gorani.7205" said: > > > > > > > > Everyone gets marked by Sentries and Watchtower upgrades. > > > > > > > > I don't get the fuss Thief-main players make, like it denies them the ability to run around sentries in a bigger circle like everyone else (who roams on other professions) without the ability to stealth. > > > > > > > > And sorry (IMHO), if a thief players tries to ambush someone else right next to a tower with a gigantic rotating light on top, it is fair if he loses the advantage to stealth at will as long as he wants. > > > > > > > > Marked has nothing to do with the SB#5 initiative increase. Don't mix up correlation with causality. ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone gets marked yet not everyone relies on Stealth to survive,a thing you clearly arent understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, Thief's don't complain about watchtowers and sentry's because they keep getting marked and killed. Both are easily avoidable by anyone paying attention. They complain because they can't get a kill right up to the tower door or couldn't chase someone because they were running towards a sentry. It is the biggest pointless complaint I have ever heard. Half the time if i'm looking for fights I get marked on purpose so they show up but yeah if you are dying because of a sentry and watchtower as a thief we can't help you. > > > > > > > > > > Where do you even see me complain or making a statement that i'm dying to it ? > > > > > > > > > > This forum,lmao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't because no one does so the complaint is pointless. I said if you as in any thief not you personally. So when you personally say Not everyone relies on stealth to survive it infers that because of marked you don't survive because if you do survive then marked isn't a problem now is it? > > > > > > The complaint isnt pointless but its only something you understand if you actually Play the class yourself,which you dont. > > > > Well you need stealth to survive and the topic is adjust sentrys and watchtowers and you don't die because of it. So what's the issue then. Why does something that doesn't cause you to die matter? How is that not pointless. Why don't you explain how you can't avoid these or what issues it causes you? Did someone pre bronze get away? > > I just answered that. A thing you dont understand unless you play the spec yourself. The issue has been presented numerous times on the forum,i also have been vocal about it in the past and not about to keep repeating myself. Again,play the class and you see the issue. Ok, bud. That's not an answer. Play the spec and you will see is not an answer. If you don't like repeating yourself then don't enter threads about something you don't want to repeat yourself about because I don't know you or read any other threads on this topic and remember what you who again I don't know said in the past. I'm just going to go you were denied a kill because of this or you got marked cause you are too oblivious of sentry spawns and the 1 watchtower a map and someone came and killed you. Again if you can't avoid static sentry spawns and the 1 watchtower a map(most times none) I can't help you and I won't play some class that can't adjust to sentry's and watchtowers cause that must be suffocating.

> @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > @"Gorani.7205" said: > > > > > > Everyone gets marked by Sentries and Watchtower upgrades. > > > > > > I don't get the fuss Thief-main players make, like it denies them the ability to run around sentries in a bigger circle like everyone else (who roams on other professions) without the ability to stealth. > > > > > > And sorry (IMHO), if a thief players tries to ambush someone else right next to a tower with a gigantic rotating light on top, it is fair if he loses the advantage to stealth at will as long as he wants. > > > > > > Marked has nothing to do with the SB#5 initiative increase. Don't mix up correlation with causality. ;) > > > > > > > > > > Everyone gets marked yet not everyone relies on Stealth to survive,a thing you clearly arent understanding. > > > > > > > > Yeah, Thief's don't complain about watchtowers and sentry's because they keep getting marked and killed. Both are easily avoidable by anyone paying attention. They complain because they can't get a kill right up to the tower door or couldn't chase someone because they were running towards a sentry. It is the biggest pointless complaint I have ever heard. Half the time if i'm looking for fights I get marked on purpose so they show up but yeah if you are dying because of a sentry and watchtower as a thief we can't help you. > > > > > > Where do you even see me complain or making a statement that i'm dying to it ? > > > > > > This forum,lmao. > > > > > > > I didn't because no one does so the complaint is pointless. I said if you as in any thief not you personally. So when you personally say Not everyone relies on stealth to survive it infers that because of marked you don't survive because if you do survive then marked isn't a problem now is it? > > The complaint isnt pointless but its only something you understand if you actually Play the class yourself,which you dont. Well you need stealth to survive and the topic is adjust sentrys and watchtowers and you don't die because of it. So what's the issue then. Why does something that doesn't cause you to die matter? How is that not pointless. Why don't you explain how you can't avoid these or what issues it causes you? Did someone pre bronze get away?

> @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > @"Gorani.7205" said: > > > > Everyone gets marked by Sentries and Watchtower upgrades. > > > > I don't get the fuss Thief-main players make, like it denies them the ability to run around sentries in a bigger circle like everyone else (who roams on other professions) without the ability to stealth. > > > > And sorry (IMHO), if a thief players tries to ambush someone else right next to a tower with a gigantic rotating light on top, it is fair if he loses the advantage to stealth at will as long as he wants. > > > > Marked has nothing to do with the SB#5 initiative increase. Don't mix up correlation with causality. ;) > > > > > > Everyone gets marked yet not everyone relies on Stealth to survive,a thing you clearly arent understanding. > > > > Yeah, Thief's don't complain about watchtowers and sentry's because they keep getting marked and killed. Both are easily avoidable by anyone paying attention. They complain because they can't get a kill right up to the tower door or couldn't chase someone because they were running towards a sentry. It is the biggest pointless complaint I have ever heard. Half the time if i'm looking for fights I get marked on purpose so they show up but yeah if you are dying because of a sentry and watchtower as a thief we can't help you. > > Where do you even see me complain or making a statement that i'm dying to it ? > > This forum,lmao. > I didn't because no one does so the complaint is pointless. I said if you as in any thief not you personally. So when you personally say Not everyone relies on stealth to survive it infers that because of marked you don't survive because if you do survive then marked isn't a problem now is it?

> @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > @"Gorani.7205" said: > > Everyone gets marked by Sentries and Watchtower upgrades. > > I don't get the fuss Thief-main players make, like it denies them the ability to run around sentries in a bigger circle like everyone else (who roams on other professions) without the ability to stealth. > > And sorry (IMHO), if a thief players tries to ambush someone else right next to a tower with a gigantic rotating light on top, it is fair if he loses the advantage to stealth at will as long as he wants. > > Marked has nothing to do with the SB#5 initiative increase. Don't mix up correlation with causality. ;) > > Everyone gets marked yet not everyone relies on Stealth to survive,a thing you clearly arent understanding. Yeah, Thief's don't complain about watchtowers and sentry's because they keep getting marked and killed. Both are easily avoidable by anyone paying attention. They complain because they can't get a kill right up to the tower door or couldn't chase someone because they were running towards a sentry. It is the biggest pointless complaint I have ever heard. Half the time if i'm looking for fights I get marked on purpose so they show up but yeah if you are dying because of a sentry and watchtower as a thief we can't help you.

I assume it was twilight and that skip we use to jump up on a ledge to then jump up on a wall. Yeah that takes a bit to learn to jump to the middle part push out a little so your next jump you don't hit your head and fall to then land on the middle thing. Easy to overshoot too. Yeah it's a way to cut a few minutes off instead of fighting/running past 30 mobs. We understand some would struggle and don't yell or get mad if you do. At least I don't.

> @"Gotejjeken.1267" said: > Is the world linking in the {host, link} order? If so, am I seeing this right that Darkhaven is a host world? Yeah. You guys VH BP is High so you are the Host BP the link

> @"FalconRN.6219" said: > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > Oh great you just made 150 WSR transfer again so another double full w/e link they chose inc again. An YB and DB is the biggest assemblage of bags in history. Hopefully they never get mag or 3.1 K/d ratio history will be made > > as a YB player and comander. i feel sad about that, because this link will put us t3/t2 or even t1 because of the numbers (PPT), but we will need to put other metric for our K/D mayve we will hit 0,000001 hahha. > You'll have like 3 ques tho so yeah ppt away

Oh great you just made 150 WSR transfer again so another double full w/e link they chose inc again. An YB and DB is the biggest assemblage of bags in history. Hopefully they never get mag or 3.1 K/d ratio history will be made. Giving BG ET over the top too. Just an easy t1 60 skirmish per week maybe AR FC will be perm T1 too. Any one else that enters t1 gonna get wrecked by those 2

> @"Linken.6345" said: > Since core only accounts for example, can get the support marks maybe there should be a merchant for them in lions arch as well so they can contribute and get the rewards too? Yeah they probably overlooked that ogres and the 4 events are in a core map so you can complete those quests. I think they would lock non- pof accounts from seeing the quest before they added a vendor tho.

> @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > @"SuchosCZ.2167" said: > > > > > > > @"SteepledHat.1345" said: > > > > > > >This "community" hates when thieves dodge to survive. They hate when they stealth to survive. They hate when they teleport to survive. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thats not true. People dont hate these mechanics. People hate, that thief has all of them... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Name one rogue in any mmo that doesn't. Wow-check, eso-check,bdo,check,ff14-check lol rogue archetype always use stealth, high evades and teleports in pretty much every mmo, it's what its thing is. Other classes have reveals, higher hp, higher armor, barriers, more access to blocks/shields, invulnerability skills and other defensive skills and in gw2 even other classes have access to teleports( rangers,guards,mesmer,ele,necro, rev etc) and also stealth( ranger,mesmer,guards with trappers etc) the real issue is rogue's are just generally disliked by the players who dont play them due to their universal playstyle, which is why the rogue complaining is the same on every mmo forum. Anet needs to learn to ignore the whining if they want to have a rogue like in their game. > > > > > > > > I think most non rogue complain because there is no skill being invisible and fighting invisible things are no fun. Now most games you mention have some deterrent being in stealth usually a 50 percent speed reduction while stealthed. Gw2 this nonsense is just magnified. No speed reduction lots of stealth and if a rogue fails he can lose over and over and come back stealthed again until he wins so players will complain. Rogue always attract the same type player. The griefer who doesn't like to die and likes to spawn camp and in most games camp much lower levels to one shot. Players who get one shot or spawn camped or attacked from stealth always complain because for the most part there's nothing to counter not being able to see your opponent. Do you really think it's fun to get jumped out of nowhere die before you can react but if you don't die and start fighting and god forbid start to win then you get denied the kill because you run. Then multiple that in gw2 by 1000 times. Yeah players will complain. > > > > Stealth is just a bad mechanic but like you said you can't make a mmo w/o one but I have yet to play one where stealth was fairly balanced and able to counter. > > > > > > I hear ya. But in those other mmo's the rogue's also dont have to continually use up their global skill resources to keep stealth uptime. I definitely agree stealth is a annoying mechanic to fight against and frustrating especially if one shots outa stealth are happening but managing ur global resources while using them to maintain stealth as well as using the smoke fields and such I wouldnt say stealth is skill less. I honestly think stealth in any form that is effective against a opponent will be qq'd about often and repeatedly, with that in mind I guess my point is I dont think anything other than a full removal will help the situation much and I dont believe that will happen. > > > > It's not skilless in gw2 but it does reward bad thief's with easy kills and the really good thief's can take on 5 6 players and never get killed and even down/kill in those situations which yeah that's not normal and why even bother chasing/fighting unless you bored. Stealth is just a qq factory and has probably made more new players quit mmos then anything else. Yeah unless there's no stealth there will always be issues but I doubt any mmo would have the balls to make one w/o a thief type class. > > Oh and the topic yeah if you can't avoid sentry's and the 1 watchtower per map I can't help you. We all get marked cept by the time someone responds you can stealth and run off and most of us can't. > > 1 thief taking on 5 players? I've seen things like this posted before lol in 7 yrs I've never seen this, who are u playing with? Lol. I've never 2v1 a thief and not either killed the thief or forced it to run and especially not a 3vthief lol. On occasion I've faced thieves especially s/d in wvw where they out skilled me hard with positioning on infiltrator strike and evades they seemed untouchable but that's on me for not catching them in cc's at the right time and cuz most my skills are neutered (I'm usual on warrior small amount I play these days) not really that they were OP just simply better than me. No hes engaging 5 players and they all chasing him and can't kill him not he wins and kills all 5. I see it all the time near smc then if he really wants to troll you get the perma keep tapper with 8 or 9 chasing.

> @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > @"SuchosCZ.2167" said: > > > > > @"SteepledHat.1345" said: > > > > >This "community" hates when thieves dodge to survive. They hate when they stealth to survive. They hate when they teleport to survive. > > > > > > > > Thats not true. People dont hate these mechanics. People hate, that thief has all of them... > > > > > > > > > > Name one rogue in any mmo that doesn't. Wow-check, eso-check,bdo,check,ff14-check lol rogue archetype always use stealth, high evades and teleports in pretty much every mmo, it's what its thing is. Other classes have reveals, higher hp, higher armor, barriers, more access to blocks/shields, invulnerability skills and other defensive skills and in gw2 even other classes have access to teleports( rangers,guards,mesmer,ele,necro, rev etc) and also stealth( ranger,mesmer,guards with trappers etc) the real issue is rogue's are just generally disliked by the players who dont play them due to their universal playstyle, which is why the rogue complaining is the same on every mmo forum. Anet needs to learn to ignore the whining if they want to have a rogue like in their game. > > > > I think most non rogue complain because there is no skill being invisible and fighting invisible things are no fun. Now most games you mention have some deterrent being in stealth usually a 50 percent speed reduction while stealthed. Gw2 this nonsense is just magnified. No speed reduction lots of stealth and if a rogue fails he can lose over and over and come back stealthed again until he wins so players will complain. Rogue always attract the same type player. The griefer who doesn't like to die and likes to spawn camp and in most games camp much lower levels to one shot. Players who get one shot or spawn camped or attacked from stealth always complain because for the most part there's nothing to counter not being able to see your opponent. Do you really think it's fun to get jumped out of nowhere die before you can react but if you don't die and start fighting and god forbid start to win then you get denied the kill because you run. Then multiple that in gw2 by 1000 times. Yeah players will complain. > > Stealth is just a bad mechanic but like you said you can't make a mmo w/o one but I have yet to play one where stealth was fairly balanced and able to counter. > > I hear ya. But in those other mmo's the rogue's also dont have to continually use up their global skill resources to keep stealth uptime. I definitely agree stealth is a annoying mechanic to fight against and frustrating especially if one shots outa stealth are happening but managing ur global resources while using them to maintain stealth as well as using the smoke fields and such I wouldnt say stealth is skill less. I honestly think stealth in any form that is effective against a opponent will be qq'd about often and repeatedly, with that in mind I guess my point is I dont think anything other than a full removal will help the situation much and I dont believe that will happen. It's not skilless in gw2 but it does reward bad thief's with easy kills and the really good thief's can take on 5 6 players and never get killed and even down/kill in those situations which yeah that's not normal and why even bother chasing/fighting unless you bored. Stealth is just a qq factory and has probably made more new players quit mmos then anything else. Yeah unless there's no stealth there will always be issues but I doubt any mmo would have the balls to make one w/o a thief type class. Oh and the topic yeah if you can't avoid sentry's and the 1 watchtower per map I can't help you. We all get marked cept by the time someone responds you can stealth and run off and most of us can't.

> @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > @"SuchosCZ.2167" said: > > > @"SteepledHat.1345" said: > > >This "community" hates when thieves dodge to survive. They hate when they stealth to survive. They hate when they teleport to survive. > > > > Thats not true. People dont hate these mechanics. People hate, that thief has all of them... > > > > Name one rogue in any mmo that doesn't. Wow-check, eso-check,bdo,check,ff14-check lol rogue archetype always use stealth, high evades and teleports in pretty much every mmo, it's what its thing is. Other classes have reveals, higher hp, higher armor, barriers, more access to blocks/shields, invulnerability skills and other defensive skills and in gw2 even other classes have access to teleports( rangers,guards,mesmer,ele,necro, rev etc) and also stealth( ranger,mesmer,guards with trappers etc) the real issue is rogue's are just generally disliked by the players who dont play them due to their universal playstyle, which is why the rogue complaining is the same on every mmo forum. Anet needs to learn to ignore the whining if they want to have a rogue like in their game. I think most non rogue complain because there is no skill being invisible and fighting invisible things are no fun. Now most games you mention have some deterrent being in stealth usually a 50 percent speed reduction while stealthed. Gw2 this nonsense is just magnified. No speed reduction lots of stealth and if a rogue fails he can lose over and over and come back stealthed again until he wins so players will complain. Rogue always attract the same type player. The griefer who doesn't like to die and likes to spawn camp and in most games camp much lower levels to one shot. Players who get one shot or spawn camped or attacked from stealth always complain because for the most part there's nothing to counter not being able to see your opponent. Do you really think it's fun to get jumped out of nowhere die before you can react but if you don't die and start fighting and god forbid start to win then you get denied the kill because you run. Then multiple that in gw2 by 1000 times. Yeah players will complain. Stealth is just a bad mechanic but like you said you can't make a mmo w/o one but I have yet to play one where stealth was fairly balanced and able to counter.

This is you No, it's more like it's a pretty stupid and baseless comparison to begin with and people that compare mmorpgs to real life only do that in a very specific way to show what they want to show, but the game isn't real life and it's absolutely shouldn't ever be balanced about "what you do in real life". What kind of a stand-in pseudo-argument is that, I don't even know. (yes, I know you weren't the one who originally brought it up) Actually if you want to play "that game", you wouldn't "use every tool you have to defeat 5 bears", you would literally die to a single bear if that bear felt it doesn't want you anywhere nearby. So much for "but in real life". That is a rant. That is not a direct answer as no question was asked. Taking something silly and treating it as serious and going a bear could kill you in rl like we know and a flamethower would burn and grenades would take off limbs and I can't respawn in rl. We know. He knows. It was silly and you went all serious and disparaging calling his comment a stupid and baseless comparison when who cares if he mixed fantasy w rl for a second in a way you didn't think made sense. The op thinks pof mobs are difficult and I could see that. I find them to aggravating as I don't want to fight 15 mobs otw to something. The aggro radius is big and the I'm in combat 5 miles away is annoying in pof. Middle ground man. Some aggravation good. Extended ridiculous aggravation bad. Walk in the park is bad too but we are here to play a game for enjoyment and sometimes that's getting to events not getting knocked down 15 times fighting everything and missing the event because you think "we are in a dangerous area" and should have to fight relentlessly over a chest w 1 unid gear 2 empyreal shards in it.

> @"Sobx.1758" said: > > @"Jilora.9524" said: > > > @"Sobx.1758" said: > > > > @"kharmin.7683" said: > > > > > @"Dawdler.8521" said: > > > > > > @"Pockethole.5031" said: > > > > > > Imagine you take a stroll in a forest out there and you have to always do it from a tank. A tank. With shotguns and axes. Just for a stroll. In reality, when I go on a stroll in a forest I might bring backpack with me and thats that. I don't have to be afraid for my life because of trees about to whip my sorry kitten. > > > > > So what exactly *would* you do if you meet a bear? > > > > No, it's more like what would YOU do if you met 5 bears? They attack you and while you are trying to defend yourself they maul, stun or otherwise strike you with such force as to slow your reactions. You use every skill and tool available to you that you have with you and finally manage to defeat all five bears. Then, as you try to catch your breath and maybe even recover somewhat, 5 more bears appear. The cycle repeats. > > > > > > No, it's more like it's a pretty stupid and baseless comparison to begin with and people that compare mmorpgs to real life only do that in a very specific way to show what they want to show, but the game isn't real life and it's absolutely shouldn't ever be balanced about "what you do in real life". What kind of a stand-in pseudo-argument is that, I don't even know. (yes, I know you weren't the one who originally brought it up) > > > Actually if you want to play "that game", you wouldn't "use every tool you have to defeat 5 bears", you would literally die to a single bear if that bear felt it doesn't want you anywhere nearby. So much for "but in real life". > > > Actually the best that came out of this whole argument is what @"Dawdler.8521" wrote here: > > > > > > > > From the sounds of it, you dont want a forest. You want a park. There's one in the center of Divinitys Reach to stroll around in if thats your cup of tea. > > > > No need to be so extreme. What I feel players like this poster want is to be able to actually stop and view the maps that Anet has spent so much time/effort in creating for us without engaging in what seems to be an endless combat scenario. > > > > > > It's not "extreme", it's a fact. In a fantasy mmorpg you simply *fight monsters*. If you want a walk in a park, go to a park. There are park equivalents in the game too. But you go to a hostile territory and then complain that it's hostile? Just... uh... > > > > Yeah then there's the guy that goes way too far and gets way to upset over a comparison. > > Feels like you're trying to direct it at me, but I fail to see at which point exactly I "took it too far" or where I'm "upset over a comparison". I just say the comparison he made doesn't make sense in relation to the game for the situation he's describing, because it doesn't. > > > Not even rl but I remember there was a chest after you took a jackal portal up under a bridge and your like ohhh a chest so you go towards it but the dumb af aggro radius of jacaranda you ended up vs 4 reg and 1 vet and you killed the reg and took forever vs the vet and the regs all respawned so ya that was bs. > > It's almost as if those mobs are there for a reason and you need to do something about them because that's how the game works... Again, you're in a fantasy mmorpg *killing monsters*. > > > There can be somewhere in between dawdlers suggestion and that experience and present a dangerous environment and not some unfun game exp > > And what is that "inbetween solution" you're talking about? Changing the range so you can freely ignore everything to get free shinies, not even zooming past the threat on a mount, but also just walking up to any chest you see? That's not the point of this game when you enter the area that's clearly not meant to be a friendly one. Also that's hardly an "inbetween". You went on a rant because some dude talked about tanks in a forest and bears then kharmin expanded on the silly comparison as it being 5 bears then after you kill the 5 bears you'd have to fight 5 more which is the crossover between rl bear and the games mechanic of respawning mobs. Every one knows it's a fantasy game and once in a while they try to appy rl to it which yes is silly but again the went to far is going it's a pretty stupid and baseless comparison and the you upset is how serious you took this silly comparison of fantasy to rl so you seemed upset. And if you can't see that there are absolutely no mobs in dawdlers park so that be dumb a map with chests and nodes but no mobs to the complete aggravation of jacaranda and white mantle and iboga when you have to fight half the map. The middle ground is almost every other damn mob everywhere like spiders and harpys or 99 percent of mobs where yes you can avoid most of them while traversing the map and have to kill one or 2 once in a while if you were gathering etc.

> @"Sobx.1758" said: > > @"kharmin.7683" said: > > > @"Dawdler.8521" said: > > > > @"Pockethole.5031" said: > > > > Imagine you take a stroll in a forest out there and you have to always do it from a tank. A tank. With shotguns and axes. Just for a stroll. In reality, when I go on a stroll in a forest I might bring backpack with me and thats that. I don't have to be afraid for my life because of trees about to whip my sorry kitten. > > > So what exactly *would* you do if you meet a bear? > > No, it's more like what would YOU do if you met 5 bears? They attack you and while you are trying to defend yourself they maul, stun or otherwise strike you with such force as to slow your reactions. You use every skill and tool available to you that you have with you and finally manage to defeat all five bears. Then, as you try to catch your breath and maybe even recover somewhat, 5 more bears appear. The cycle repeats. > > No, it's more like it's a pretty stupid and baseless comparison to begin with and people that compare mmorpgs to real life only do that in a very specific way to show what they want to show, but the game isn't real life and it's absolutely shouldn't ever be balanced about "what you do in real life". What kind of a stand-in pseudo-argument is that, I don't even know. (yes, I know you weren't the one who originally brought it up) > Actually if you want to play "that game", you wouldn't "use every tool you have to defeat 5 bears", you would literally die to a single bear if that bear felt it doesn't want you anywhere nearby. So much for "but in real life". > Actually the best that came out of this whole argument is what @"Dawdler.8521" wrote here: > > > > From the sounds of it, you dont want a forest. You want a park. There's one in the center of Divinitys Reach to stroll around in if thats your cup of tea. > > No need to be so extreme. What I feel players like this poster want is to be able to actually stop and view the maps that Anet has spent so much time/effort in creating for us without engaging in what seems to be an endless combat scenario. > > It's not "extreme", it's a fact. In a fantasy mmorpg you simply *fight monsters*. If you want a walk in a park, go to a park. There are park equivalents in the game too. But you go to a hostile territory and then complain that it's hostile? Just... uh... Yeah then there's the guy that goes way too far and gets way to upset over a comparison. Not even rl but I remember there was a chest after you took a jackal portal up under a bridge and your like ohhh a chest so you go towards it but the dumb af aggro radius of jacaranda you ended up vs 4 reg and 1 vet and you killed the reg and took forever vs the vet and the regs all respawned so ya that was bs. Now hostile zone I get endless annoying af fighting annoying af mobs naaa. There can be somewhere in between dawdlers suggestion and that experience and present a dangerous environment and not some unfun game exp

I can only guess but say it became a trade in like gold ore silver ore large claws for factions and immediately jump up to 50c. I can't imagine it will become one and I have sold to vendor every leaf fossil i've gotten ever but who knows

> @"RDEF.8513" said: > That is exactly what i'm doing, but there is no way to tell which ones are my invisible slots since they look the same as normal slots and are not separated or colored different in any way. I don't expect they want me to count the last 20 slots every time i open my inventory to make sure i put something in my invisible bag. Like i'm not able to tell if a slot is the last one from a normal bag or the first one of my invisible bag without counting them manualy when the entire inventory would be empty for example. Well for that if it's your last bag just put an item in the 1st slot you won't use/move like a lucky rabbits foot or something and you know that's the beginning and the 19 slots after are invisible.