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> @"Thorstienn.1642" said:
> I get that people want to keep getting what they were "allowed" to have before as a minimum, but suggesting you NEED 20 builds is rediculous. The changes in traits etc must be so small. Just use more characters.
> I DO agree that something should be done about using the same gear across characters though, at least for legendary, but ideally for any account bound (and I dont have legendary).
I do nat care about traits since I can have up to 24 saved in game and any numbe with chatcodes on my computer.
Problem are gears since I can only save up to 6 and not 30
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> @"Durzlla.6295" said:
> > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > @"perilisk.1874" said:
> > > There isn't much reason right now to use them the way the game is designed, at least in PvE. The main thing is switching between condi, power, or support. So, 3? But you can always just use more alts, which have a lot of other benefits.
> >
> > My support chrono has 30+
>
> For what? Every single utility and single trait switch out?
For each boss 2 (if we have chrono, ren, fb or double chrono)
And most bosses have diferent build, and for bosses where tank and second chrono do something else (like dhuum) there is another one
Edit:Oh, build does notinclude gear? Then maybe I can get away with 15. I have 30+ gear templates
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> @"perilisk.1874" said:
> There isn't much reason right now to use them the way the game is designed, at least in PvE. The main thing is switching between condi, power, or support. So, 3? But you can always just use more alts, which have a lot of other benefits.
My support chrono has 30+
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> @"Taygus.4571" said:
> well, I suppose you'll have to make
> a raid char,
> a fractal char
> a wvw
> an openworld
> 6 × 4 =24 :)
My raid chrono has 30+ builds saved now. And legendary armor cannot be shared between characters
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> @"RyuDragnier.9476" said:
> People use more than 3 builds for PvE on any class? That...blows my mind.
> @"RyuDragnier.9476" said:
> People use more than 3 builds for PvE on any class? That...blows my mind.
My chrono uses more then 30.
5 stat combinations and many diferent runes, weapons, sigils and amount of boon duration under each of thise combinations
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> @"Dante.1508" said:
> > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > @"Dante.1508" said:
> > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > > @"Dante.1508" said:
> > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > @"Dante.1508" said:
> > > > > > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"Dante.1508" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > That is BS. Why Is it called templates if it cannot be saved????
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Tell me hiw is it possible that someone could make templates as anaddon for free many years faster then anet and it worked 1000 times better?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > What do you mean by that? They can be saved.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Lets say you open template number 2 on chrono. Then you swap weapon from focus to sword offhand because you dont need pull. That will overwrite that template so next tim I switch to it it will have sword and not focus.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > That would be fine IF i could have enough templates to save all variations but then i would need at least 30 on chrono. 6 is definitely not enough for this.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You do realise needing a whole new build just because you switched a sword out is a bit overkill right..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think he wants to be able to hit a button and swap the weapons out in a fractal when you need one for a more situational instance but need to swap back right after. Less time to get accidentally brought into combat if you just have to hit a keybind than if you have to open up your inventory/equipment panel and find the weapon to swap it out with. Which I'm figuring was a feature of the add on. I've never used it so I can't say.
> > > > > > > Well we have had to deal with these things for years either way how has everyone forgotten this.. What did customers do before ARCDPS, i'm just saying its not a huge deal.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Customers make arcdps because it takes too much time swaping gear for 40 seconds after each 3 minutes fight
> > > > >
> > > > > Well that really goes back to how silly some of this teamed content has become.. You know needing spend 40 mins to change gears just to do some virtual content says more about the insane content than the builds imo..
> > > >
> > > > He said it takes 40 seconds to swap gear, not 40 minutes. Did you misread or mistype?
> > > I misread.. sorry but still 40 seconds is not a huge deal.
> > >
> >
> > If you kill 20 bosses in evening it is more then 12 minutes
> >
> >
> > Imagine this:
> > 4 minutes playing, 40 seconds changing gear
> > And this 20 times
>
> Wow seriously, again this seems far more a GW2 mechanics problem then builds, i totally understand why you are miffed tho but i'm not sure what we as customers can do.. No pay? No play.. both sound like they will do very little to stop this.
You can do nothing :D I was just explaining why I have problems with this
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> @"Seera.5916" said:
> > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > @"Dante.1508" said:
> > > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > > > @"Dante.1508" said:
> > > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > > > That is BS. Why Is it called templates if it cannot be saved????
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tell me hiw is it possible that someone could make templates as anaddon for free many years faster then anet and it worked 1000 times better?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What do you mean by that? They can be saved.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lets say you open template number 2 on chrono. Then you swap weapon from focus to sword offhand because you dont need pull. That will overwrite that template so next tim I switch to it it will have sword and not focus.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That would be fine IF i could have enough templates to save all variations but then i would need at least 30 on chrono. 6 is definitely not enough for this.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You do realise needing a whole new build just because you switched a sword out is a bit overkill right..
> > > > >
> > > > > I think he wants to be able to hit a button and swap the weapons out in a fractal when you need one for a more situational instance but need to swap back right after. Less time to get accidentally brought into combat if you just have to hit a keybind than if you have to open up your inventory/equipment panel and find the weapon to swap it out with. Which I'm figuring was a feature of the add on. I've never used it so I can't say.
> > > > Well we have had to deal with these things for years either way how has everyone forgotten this.. What did customers do before ARCDPS, i'm just saying its not a huge deal.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Maybe not to us.
> > >
> > > But many players did get used to it and make builds and play strategies off of what that add on allowed. Now they are being told that if they want to continue using build templates, that what it's currently capable of is very different and more limiting than what they were using. Which by itself may not have been a problem had ANet not had more templates be purchasable. Granted we don't know the amount it will cost or how many we'll get with a purchase as as of the Guild Chat they hadn't worked that out yet. But the equipment ones will be in line with other storage expandors since it does take items out of the inventory and increases what you can effectively carry from what was said in the chat.
> >
> > I saw that they had 6 tabs. I dont know how hard it could be to make like 20 maximum but I guess not that hard so I hope they make more then 6.
>
> The equipment is where you'll have the most problem.
>
> Since build templates can be saved externally to the game via chat links, you could prep your common ones into the build storage and then swap out from storage as needed between parts of a fight. I know in fractals there's time to play swap around before you move to the next part of the fractal. I imagine there's time in that in raids.
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> It is more convoluted to do so and I do feel for those of you who got used to the practically unlimited build templates from arcdps and really took advantage of it as it appears you have.
Yea. Sad part is that traits are swapped quite fast. But gear takes alot of time, especialy swaping legendary pieces and then swaping runes.
I am thankful that someone understands my problems. I know that for more casual comunity, this will be nice feature. I just wish that I could keep using ataddonemplates if I buy all anet templates
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> @"Linken.6345" said:
> > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > I hope that If I buy all tabs, I will be able to use addon for templates because this is just sooooo bad.....
> > Not only I have to pay, not only are there only 6 slots maximum but all templates are updated everytime I make a change.......
>
> From my understanding only your active template will update not all of them.
Yes but I would be more happy if i could save a checkpoint to return to
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> @"Dante.1508" said:
> > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > @"Dante.1508" said:
> > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > @"Dante.1508" said:
> > > > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > > > > @"Dante.1508" said:
> > > > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > > > > That is BS. Why Is it called templates if it cannot be saved????
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Tell me hiw is it possible that someone could make templates as anaddon for free many years faster then anet and it worked 1000 times better?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What do you mean by that? They can be saved.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Lets say you open template number 2 on chrono. Then you swap weapon from focus to sword offhand because you dont need pull. That will overwrite that template so next tim I switch to it it will have sword and not focus.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That would be fine IF i could have enough templates to save all variations but then i would need at least 30 on chrono. 6 is definitely not enough for this.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You do realise needing a whole new build just because you switched a sword out is a bit overkill right..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think he wants to be able to hit a button and swap the weapons out in a fractal when you need one for a more situational instance but need to swap back right after. Less time to get accidentally brought into combat if you just have to hit a keybind than if you have to open up your inventory/equipment panel and find the weapon to swap it out with. Which I'm figuring was a feature of the add on. I've never used it so I can't say.
> > > > > Well we have had to deal with these things for years either way how has everyone forgotten this.. What did customers do before ARCDPS, i'm just saying its not a huge deal.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Customers make arcdps because it takes too much time swaping gear for 40 seconds after each 3 minutes fight
> > >
> > > Well that really goes back to how silly some of this teamed content has become.. You know needing spend 40 mins to change gears just to do some virtual content says more about the insane content than the builds imo..
> >
> > He said it takes 40 seconds to swap gear, not 40 minutes. Did you misread or mistype?
> I misread.. sorry but still 40 seconds is not a huge deal.
>
If you kill 20 bosses in evening it is more then 12 minutes
Imagine this:
4 minutes playing, 40 seconds changing gear
And this 20 times
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> @"Seera.5916" said:
> > @"Dante.1508" said:
> > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > @"Dante.1508" said:
> > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > That is BS. Why Is it called templates if it cannot be saved????
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tell me hiw is it possible that someone could make templates as anaddon for free many years faster then anet and it worked 1000 times better?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What do you mean by that? They can be saved.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lets say you open template number 2 on chrono. Then you swap weapon from focus to sword offhand because you dont need pull. That will overwrite that template so next tim I switch to it it will have sword and not focus.
> > > > >
> > > > > That would be fine IF i could have enough templates to save all variations but then i would need at least 30 on chrono. 6 is definitely not enough for this.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > You do realise needing a whole new build just because you switched a sword out is a bit overkill right..
> > >
> > > I think he wants to be able to hit a button and swap the weapons out in a fractal when you need one for a more situational instance but need to swap back right after. Less time to get accidentally brought into combat if you just have to hit a keybind than if you have to open up your inventory/equipment panel and find the weapon to swap it out with. Which I'm figuring was a feature of the add on. I've never used it so I can't say.
> > Well we have had to deal with these things for years either way how has everyone forgotten this.. What did customers do before ARCDPS, i'm just saying its not a huge deal.
> >
>
> Maybe not to us.
>
> But many players did get used to it and make builds and play strategies off of what that add on allowed. Now they are being told that if they want to continue using build templates, that what it's currently capable of is very different and more limiting than what they were using. Which by itself may not have been a problem had ANet not had more templates be purchasable. Granted we don't know the amount it will cost or how many we'll get with a purchase as as of the Guild Chat they hadn't worked that out yet. But the equipment ones will be in line with other storage expandors since it does take items out of the inventory and increases what you can effectively carry from what was said in the chat.
I saw that they had 6 tabs. I dont know how hard it could be to make like 20 maximum but I guess not that hard so I hope they make more then 6.
Purchasable is ok if I am able to get same benefit as the arc version
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> @"Dante.1508" said:
> > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > @"Dante.1508" said:
> > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > That is BS. Why Is it called templates if it cannot be saved????
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tell me hiw is it possible that someone could make templates as anaddon for free many years faster then anet and it worked 1000 times better?
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you mean by that? They can be saved.
> > > >
> > > > Lets say you open template number 2 on chrono. Then you swap weapon from focus to sword offhand because you dont need pull. That will overwrite that template so next tim I switch to it it will have sword and not focus.
> > > >
> > > > That would be fine IF i could have enough templates to save all variations but then i would need at least 30 on chrono. 6 is definitely not enough for this.
> > > >
> > >
> > > You do realise needing a whole new build just because you switched a sword out is a bit overkill right..
> >
> > I do not want a new build. But if I swap to a template i need to check which changes I made last time
> True i understand now but why not just make a dedicated character for raiding or fractals etc with 6 builds and one for pve with say three.. Its what i would do.
>
Then I need 5 chronomancers for raiding because i have 30+ diferent gear combinations
But then I need to craft diferent sets because each piece will be only on one character
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> @"Dante.1508" said:
> > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > @"Dante.1508" said:
> > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > That is BS. Why Is it called templates if it cannot be saved????
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tell me hiw is it possible that someone could make templates as anaddon for free many years faster then anet and it worked 1000 times better?
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you mean by that? They can be saved.
> > > >
> > > > Lets say you open template number 2 on chrono. Then you swap weapon from focus to sword offhand because you dont need pull. That will overwrite that template so next tim I switch to it it will have sword and not focus.
> > > >
> > > > That would be fine IF i could have enough templates to save all variations but then i would need at least 30 on chrono. 6 is definitely not enough for this.
> > > >
> > >
> > > You do realise needing a whole new build just because you switched a sword out is a bit overkill right..
> >
> > I think he wants to be able to hit a button and swap the weapons out in a fractal when you need one for a more situational instance but need to swap back right after. Less time to get accidentally brought into combat if you just have to hit a keybind than if you have to open up your inventory/equipment panel and find the weapon to swap it out with. Which I'm figuring was a feature of the add on. I've never used it so I can't say.
> Well we have had to deal with these things for years either way how has everyone forgotten this.. What did customers do before ARCDPS, i'm just saying its not a huge deal.
>
Customers make arcdps because it takes too much time swaping gear for 40 seconds after each 3 minutes fight
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> @"Seera.5916" said:
> > @"Dante.1508" said:
> > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > That is BS. Why Is it called templates if it cannot be saved????
> > > > >
> > > > > Tell me hiw is it possible that someone could make templates as anaddon for free many years faster then anet and it worked 1000 times better?
> > > >
> > > > What do you mean by that? They can be saved.
> > >
> > > Lets say you open template number 2 on chrono. Then you swap weapon from focus to sword offhand because you dont need pull. That will overwrite that template so next tim I switch to it it will have sword and not focus.
> > >
> > > That would be fine IF i could have enough templates to save all variations but then i would need at least 30 on chrono. 6 is definitely not enough for this.
> > >
> >
> > You do realise needing a whole new build just because you switched a sword out is a bit overkill right..
>
> I think he wants to be able to hit a button and swap the weapons out in a fractal when you need one for a more situational instance but need to swap back right after. Less time to get accidentally brought into combat if you just have to hit a keybind than if you have to open up your inventory/equipment panel and find the weapon to swap it out with. Which I'm figuring was a feature of the add on. I've never used it so I can't say.
You are right. It used to be for me that I coukd with 2 clicks get back to starting point.
Ok so 6 builds
Diviner chrono
Commander chrono
Minstrel chrono
Trailblaizer chrono
Viper chrono
That is 5 for each version I will need to swap runes separately (up to 5 in one build), amount of BD separately and all weapons separately
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> @"Dante.1508" said:
> > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > That is BS. Why Is it called templates if it cannot be saved????
> > > >
> > > > Tell me hiw is it possible that someone could make templates as anaddon for free many years faster then anet and it worked 1000 times better?
> > >
> > > What do you mean by that? They can be saved.
> >
> > Lets say you open template number 2 on chrono. Then you swap weapon from focus to sword offhand because you dont need pull. That will overwrite that template so next tim I switch to it it will have sword and not focus.
> >
> > That would be fine IF i could have enough templates to save all variations but then i would need at least 30 on chrono. 6 is definitely not enough for this.
> >
>
> You do realise needing a whole new build just because you switched a sword out is a bit overkill right..
I do not want a new build. But if I swap to a template i need to check which changes I made last time
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> @"SLOTH.5231" said:
> Anet is actually giving us something useful to simplify things and people still biitching. You are getting the feature free kitten.
No. They are getting something they already could have for free from addons but worse and not free.
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> @"Seera.5916" said:
> > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > That is BS. Why Is it called templates if it cannot be saved????
> > > >
> > > > Tell me hiw is it possible that someone could make templates as anaddon for free many years faster then anet and it worked 1000 times better?
> > >
> > > What do you mean by that? They can be saved.
> >
> > Lets say you open template number 2 on chrono. Then you swap weapon from focus to sword offhand because you dont need pull. That will overwrite that template so next tim I switch to it it will have sword and not focus.
> >
> > That would be fine IF i could have enough templates to save all variations but then i would need at least 30 on chrono. 6 is definitely not enough for this.
> >
>
> So your problem isn't that they don't save. They do. You have a problem that they autosave.
>
> Meaning if you are on Equipment Set 1 and you change from Sword to Focus, you wouldn't be able to just hit your keybind again to reset back to Sword instantly.
Yes. Right now I have like 12 general gear templates saved and I change them if I need small change (diferent sigil, more toughness...)
Now I have to play with maximum of 6 and I cannot have any general builds....
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> @"Seera.5916" said:
> > @"Ashantara.8731" said:
> > > @"Trise.2865" said:
> > > 1. Currently 6 per character, with as many as 24 additional "saved build" slots across your account.
> >
> > The _total_ is 24, so that makes 21 additional ones you can purchase at the Gem Store.
> >
> > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > That is BS. Why Is it called templates if it cannot be saved????
> >
> > It is being saved - on your character. The Build Template Storage is just for sharing purposes. But I agree, it would have been more logical to allow you to save an unlimited amount locally on your computer, like in GW1.
>
> Technically, you can save unlimited amounts on your computer for the builds at least. You just need to generate the chat link and save that to a file on your computer.
>
> Yes, I realize that this is probably more steps than you would need in GW1, but the option is still there.
But you can only do that for traits and not gear right?
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> @"Seera.5916" said:
> > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > That is BS. Why Is it called templates if it cannot be saved????
> >
> > Tell me hiw is it possible that someone could make templates as anaddon for free many years faster then anet and it worked 1000 times better?
>
> What do you mean by that? They can be saved.
Lets say you open template number 2 on chrono. Then you swap weapon from focus to sword offhand because you dont need pull. That will overwrite that template so next tim I switch to it it will have sword and not focus.
That would be fine IF i could have enough templates to save all variations but then i would need at least 30 on chrono. 6 is definitely not enough for this.
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That is BS. Why Is it called templates if it cannot be saved????
Tell me hiw is it possible that someone could make templates as anaddon for free many years faster then anet and it worked 1000 times better?
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I hope that If I buy all tabs, I will be able to use addon for templates because this is just sooooo bad.....
Not only I have to pay, not only are there only 6 slots maximum but all templates are updated everytime I make a change.......
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I heared some stuff but I want to be sure so here I am
1) how many builds saved per character is maximum (if there is one)
2) is it true that templates autosaves if you make any change?
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1) how much for 1 template
2) do you buy extra template for character or account
3) can 1 nonlegendary piece of gear be in mire then 1 template?
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> @"Tukaram.8256" said:
> > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > @"Tanner Blackfeather.6509" said:
> > > Question: please define the fundamental difference between this and the sale of bank slot, bag slots and shared inventory slots?
> >
> > The diference is that we had allowed templates in game for at least 2 years and now they are baned. For those that were using templates already it is paying for something they already have and not new feature.
>
> You mean like saving trait setups? I know we could save them in GW. I have not seen how to save them in GW2. Did they add it, and I did not hear about it?
Arcdps Is allowed addon in the game. One of its features were build templates. You saved separately skills, legendary gear, traits and nonlegendary gear. You could also save only few parts of gear so to swap weapons but lef your gear the same as it was.
Personaly my chrono has ~8 diferent legendary templates, ~12 diferent nonlegendary templates, ~15 traitlines and ~6 skill combinations.
Some of those nonlegendary templates are just for swaping weapons so in reality there are 30+ builds (with legendary/nonlegendary combinations included).
Swaping traits by hand is ok (i will write some piece of paper to remind me what to pick) but swaping whole gear takes sooo long that I will have to buy ~10 templates minimum.
And I can say goodbye to "half templates"
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> @"Tanner Blackfeather.6509" said:
> Question: please define the fundamental difference between this and the sale of bank slot, bag slots and shared inventory slots?
The diference is that we had allowed templates in game for at least 2 years and now they are baned. For those that were using templates already it is paying for something they already have and not new feature.
To be able to play on a single character should be the main feature of Build templates system
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> @"Sylum.1806" said:
> > @"Vavume.8065" said:
> > This is AltWars 2, if you are playing on a single character you are doing it wrong...
>
> Maybe they meant not having to create more than 1 character per profession?
Yes. My chrono for raids right now uses 30+ gear templates. If I want to play the same I need to create 4 aditional mesmers, craft the same gear 4 more times, buy 20 gear templates (i would be ok with buying 20 on one character and not 4 on 5 diferent mesmers) and I still cannot swap as quickly since i need to swap between characters.