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Anyone can tank but usualy it is chrono since you wanzmt to take him anyway and he loses least amount of dps. Sometimes fb, druid or thief are tanking but usualy If you have support chrono he is tanking because he has many active defense optionsc and tanking doesnt interfere with his other role (providing boons)
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Firebrands, thiefs and druids tank some encounters in meta compositions too. Everything can tank but usualy those 4 are the ones that lose the least whike doing so.
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> @"Calistoff.9462" said:
> By the way. I was able to (with great effort) limit the class choices a bit.
> Revenant, Ranger and Necromancer are out. After playing them more and focusing on bad parts I can see how they aren't up to par for me.
>
> Revenant - too clunky sometimes and not that good realtively to other classes. I still like it. But a BIT less than the others.
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> Ranger - too easy. There is enough space for improvement and mastering it can take time but it is just not enough.
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> Necromancer - too slow and not enough mobility. Also: too easy.
>
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Those are exactly those classes that I wouldnt recomend to you :D Out of those 3, revenant is by far most complex. Sadly not as variable because you cannot chose utility skills. Renger and necro are in my opinion 2 easiest classes in the game with least amount of skill needed.
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I think firebrand would be great for you. Options, many builds, utility choices, can help with everything. Great at every gamemode
Other options would be ele. Harder to play, but less variable then fb.
And condition core engi. Extremly hard with answer to almost everything.
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In fractals, fb + rev are better because it is much easier and has better damage. In raids since you can have 2 chronos, alacrity is not a problem. I use 40 percent boon duration and we have 100 percent uptimes.
Fb needs ~15% bd and ren 78% to upkeep perma quickness/alacrity. With chrono, druid, ren, fb, war, 5 dps comp FB dont need any bd and ren can go lower too.
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Tides of time gives 2 seconds of alacrity. Well of recall 5 and soi 3. With improved alacrity your CDs are shorter (not time×0,8 but time×0,66) so soi has 13,333 sec cd for example. Well of recall 16,66 (if i remember the cd right) and so on. Also in raids, you have second tides of time and second soi from other chrono.
Mimic is notused anymore (mostly)
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If someone wants to start they can. Just join training discord. Sad thing is that most players are too lazy to even open google and search for one
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> @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > @"kraai.7265" said:
> > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > @"Ansau.7326" said:
> > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:
> > > > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"kraai.7265" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > I feel like you are complicating things. In pve/wvw chronomancer traitline is not that good now (compared how it used to be). If there was no mesmer playable I would take it as a problem but if I remember correctly, mirage is still doing well.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > For example retribution from revenant has no use in raids. Yet revenants do (and are quite strong in their roles).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Im sorry but doing well where?? in wvw we can only roam as mirages to find duels or small fights, those are dead since we have warclaws so no use, and chrono is unplayable, mirage in zerg fights is as usefull as core ranger, and that core support mesmer build in metabattle is a bad joke outshined by every other spec.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Sry for late response. As I have said I dont play wvw so I asked a friend that is part of a hardcore wvw guild to answer for you. She said she dont want to explain it to you since it looks like you dont want to listen and she is tired of explaining something to players that just dont want to understand because their class is not as op as it used to be.
> > > > > > > > > "You are just clueless/dont want to listen so I wont explain anything,you are bad and no longer carried by OP spec"
> > > > > > > > > it's **ad hominem** plus it's useless comment
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > How is yours any diferent? :D
> > > > > > > Dont think its useless to let you know about your logical fallacy. If you have nothing to say, stay quiet.
> > > > > > > About chrono in pvp - completely dead and useless.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I dont understand how there could be any logical fallacy if there is no statement including logic. My post was only reaction to his reaction. I apologised why I havent responded yet and gave my reason. As I have said, chrono is bad traitline in wvw/pvp but that is same as retribution (revenant) in pve. Mesmer is still played in wvw even by top players. I wanted to support my claim by an example but she refused to respond. Nothing I can do about it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And the way I see it, 95 percent of posts on forum are usless or wrong. At least mine wasnt both.
> > > > >
> > > > > The reason why Retribution is not working in pve is not because it has a lucklasting performance, but because of how useless are in general defensive specializations in pve, as the game mode is based on AI having hard hitting attacks that cannot be sustained so active defenses are the only solution, between fairly long times of hitting an AFK hitpoint bag.
> > > > >
> > > > > And Retribution is far from being bad. In fact, it outperforms both Chaos and Inspiration at sustain and support. Passive endurance recovery, stability on dodge, damage reduction and turns an spammable elite into a counter to condis. Mesmer doesn't even have anything remotely close to any of those things, let alone all together in a single specialization.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's funny, you come here with a laughable example and yet you feel free to discredit others with the most childish excuse possible (someone else said me something but I will not bother telling you). I don't know who is that friend of yours playing hardcore gvg, I even doubt that it exists.
> > > > >
> > > > > The fact that you compared and elite spec (and a useless one like chrono) with a core spec (that is meta in wvw/pvp) like Retribution shows how much of ignorance your explanations are full of.
> > > >
> > > > Traitline is traitline. Elite or not, it doesnt matter. I know that defense is usless in pve and that is why I made this example. Scrapper is also rarely used in pve but works in wvw.
> > > > In the other hand chrono is used in pve as power dps, condi dps, power support, condi support and can also be used for heals so it is not usless or unplayable there.
> > > >
> > > > In my opinion, if you want to be competetive in something you need to swap to whatever is op at the moment or whatever counters that op pick. If chrono is not op then swap to something else.
> > > >
> > > > And for my friend. I dont care as I have said :D
> > >
> > > Oh how fun that sounds, in order to be "good" at this game you should play whatever op build regardless if it's your own character or a class you hate....
> > > I even tried this with holo and im wrecking every pvp match i get in, just spamming my skills (i don't even know all of them just spam forge and elixirs) this game sucks right now and it's a meme of what it was originally.
> >
> > Still, if you find a player with same skill and more op build/in better matchup you will lose. Some players want to do everything to win. That is what makes the game fun for them. You cannot say that this is not the right way only because someone elses is diferent
> >
> > Beeing good and winning is mostly not related. You can win and still be bad if you have better build and/or your opponent is worse. You can lose even if you are better if you have worse build or bad matchup. If you want to win as much as possible you should have best possible build. Just skill might not be enough.
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> its just as silly as detonate plasma thief, having entire spec with unique gear and runes. only to be usable in couple of fights. even tho there are other builds that do the same in those fights while being usable in other ones too, am I supposed to make 4 different gear types to run raids? Do i go condi chrono, then condi mirage, then power support chrono for other ones. oh and power chrono for fractals. 4 different builds with different gears. to run general content.
> or, you know. make dh and be meta everywhere.
If you just want a kill, double shortbow soulbeast is easy way to do it. Personaly my chrono has 60 inventory slots filled with trinkets, runes, sigils and weapons (i have legendary armor) to adapt my build. I have at least 1 chrono build for each fight. Gearing boonthief for 1 boss cost the same for me. You dont need it but it is fun for me and players I raid with.
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> @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > @"Ansau.7326" said:
> > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:
> > > > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"kraai.7265" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > I feel like you are complicating things. In pve/wvw chronomancer traitline is not that good now (compared how it used to be). If there was no mesmer playable I would take it as a problem but if I remember correctly, mirage is still doing well.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > For example retribution from revenant has no use in raids. Yet revenants do (and are quite strong in their roles).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Im sorry but doing well where?? in wvw we can only roam as mirages to find duels or small fights, those are dead since we have warclaws so no use, and chrono is unplayable, mirage in zerg fights is as usefull as core ranger, and that core support mesmer build in metabattle is a bad joke outshined by every other spec.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Sry for late response. As I have said I dont play wvw so I asked a friend that is part of a hardcore wvw guild to answer for you. She said she dont want to explain it to you since it looks like you dont want to listen and she is tired of explaining something to players that just dont want to understand because their class is not as op as it used to be.
> > > > > > > > > "You are just clueless/dont want to listen so I wont explain anything,you are bad and no longer carried by OP spec"
> > > > > > > > > it's **ad hominem** plus it's useless comment
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > How is yours any diferent? :D
> > > > > > > Dont think its useless to let you know about your logical fallacy. If you have nothing to say, stay quiet.
> > > > > > > About chrono in pvp - completely dead and useless.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I dont understand how there could be any logical fallacy if there is no statement including logic. My post was only reaction to his reaction. I apologised why I havent responded yet and gave my reason. As I have said, chrono is bad traitline in wvw/pvp but that is same as retribution (revenant) in pve. Mesmer is still played in wvw even by top players. I wanted to support my claim by an example but she refused to respond. Nothing I can do about it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And the way I see it, 95 percent of posts on forum are usless or wrong. At least mine wasnt both.
> > > > >
> > > > > The reason why Retribution is not working in pve is not because it has a lucklasting performance, but because of how useless are in general defensive specializations in pve, as the game mode is based on AI having hard hitting attacks that cannot be sustained so active defenses are the only solution, between fairly long times of hitting an AFK hitpoint bag.
> > > > >
> > > > > And Retribution is far from being bad. In fact, it outperforms both Chaos and Inspiration at sustain and support. Passive endurance recovery, stability on dodge, damage reduction and turns an spammable elite into a counter to condis. Mesmer doesn't even have anything remotely close to any of those things, let alone all together in a single specialization.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's funny, you come here with a laughable example and yet you feel free to discredit others with the most childish excuse possible (someone else said me something but I will not bother telling you). I don't know who is that friend of yours playing hardcore gvg, I even doubt that it exists.
> > > > >
> > > > > The fact that you compared and elite spec (and a useless one like chrono) with a core spec (that is meta in wvw/pvp) like Retribution shows how much of ignorance your explanations are full of.
> > > >
> > > > Traitline is traitline. Elite or not, it doesnt matter. I know that defense is usless in pve and that is why I made this example. Scrapper is also rarely used in pve but works in wvw.
> > > > In the other hand chrono is used in pve as power dps, condi dps, power support, condi support and can also be used for heals so it is not usless or unplayable there.
> > > >
> > > > In my opinion, if you want to be competetive in something you need to swap to whatever is op at the moment or whatever counters that op pick. If chrono is not op then swap to something else.
> > > >
> > > > And for my friend. I dont care as I have said :D
> > >
> > > to elaborate, chrono CAN be used as power dps but is subpar, CAN be used as condi dps but is subpar ( confusion as main dmg means its kitten at trash clear that gets chain CC and relies on bosses spaming ), CAN heal but its worse then other options. Only thing its actually GOOD at is tank+buff on raids due to allot of block/evades, and thats preety much it.
> >
> > Thats why recent sabir record was done with power chrono. Condi chrono is as good as scepter mirage, not best in slot but second on 1 boss. I solohealed some bosses as a chrono, why waste a slot for healer when you can take support chrono that heals. Are we talking about best in slot or usable?
>
> everything is usable if you try hard enough, you can make power mirage with axe and no offhand and play it, doesnt mean its any good.
In my mind, usable means close to meta builds. If your build is above 30k on golem it is usable for me. Only confusion/torment builds that outperform in real fights can go lower. Rest of the builds are usless in my mind and only reason to take them is if they are needed for specific mechanic.
Condi chrono is second/third best option on largos. 4th build will never come close so I think condi chrono is good. Not great but definitely not usless.
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> @"kraai.7265" said:
> > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > @"Ansau.7326" said:
> > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:
> > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:
> > > > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"kraai.7265" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > > > > I feel like you are complicating things. In pve/wvw chronomancer traitline is not that good now (compared how it used to be). If there was no mesmer playable I would take it as a problem but if I remember correctly, mirage is still doing well.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > For example retribution from revenant has no use in raids. Yet revenants do (and are quite strong in their roles).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Im sorry but doing well where?? in wvw we can only roam as mirages to find duels or small fights, those are dead since we have warclaws so no use, and chrono is unplayable, mirage in zerg fights is as usefull as core ranger, and that core support mesmer build in metabattle is a bad joke outshined by every other spec.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sry for late response. As I have said I dont play wvw so I asked a friend that is part of a hardcore wvw guild to answer for you. She said she dont want to explain it to you since it looks like you dont want to listen and she is tired of explaining something to players that just dont want to understand because their class is not as op as it used to be.
> > > > > > > "You are just clueless/dont want to listen so I wont explain anything,you are bad and no longer carried by OP spec"
> > > > > > > it's **ad hominem** plus it's useless comment
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How is yours any diferent? :D
> > > > > Dont think its useless to let you know about your logical fallacy. If you have nothing to say, stay quiet.
> > > > > About chrono in pvp - completely dead and useless.
> > > >
> > > > I dont understand how there could be any logical fallacy if there is no statement including logic. My post was only reaction to his reaction. I apologised why I havent responded yet and gave my reason. As I have said, chrono is bad traitline in wvw/pvp but that is same as retribution (revenant) in pve. Mesmer is still played in wvw even by top players. I wanted to support my claim by an example but she refused to respond. Nothing I can do about it.
> > > >
> > > > And the way I see it, 95 percent of posts on forum are usless or wrong. At least mine wasnt both.
> > >
> > > The reason why Retribution is not working in pve is not because it has a lucklasting performance, but because of how useless are in general defensive specializations in pve, as the game mode is based on AI having hard hitting attacks that cannot be sustained so active defenses are the only solution, between fairly long times of hitting an AFK hitpoint bag.
> > >
> > > And Retribution is far from being bad. In fact, it outperforms both Chaos and Inspiration at sustain and support. Passive endurance recovery, stability on dodge, damage reduction and turns an spammable elite into a counter to condis. Mesmer doesn't even have anything remotely close to any of those things, let alone all together in a single specialization.
> > >
> > > It's funny, you come here with a laughable example and yet you feel free to discredit others with the most childish excuse possible (someone else said me something but I will not bother telling you). I don't know who is that friend of yours playing hardcore gvg, I even doubt that it exists.
> > >
> > > The fact that you compared and elite spec (and a useless one like chrono) with a core spec (that is meta in wvw/pvp) like Retribution shows how much of ignorance your explanations are full of.
> >
> > Traitline is traitline. Elite or not, it doesnt matter. I know that defense is usless in pve and that is why I made this example. Scrapper is also rarely used in pve but works in wvw.
> > In the other hand chrono is used in pve as power dps, condi dps, power support, condi support and can also be used for heals so it is not usless or unplayable there.
> >
> > In my opinion, if you want to be competetive in something you need to swap to whatever is op at the moment or whatever counters that op pick. If chrono is not op then swap to something else.
> >
> > And for my friend. I dont care as I have said :D
>
> Oh how fun that sounds, in order to be "good" at this game you should play whatever op build regardless if it's your own character or a class you hate....
> I even tried this with holo and im wrecking every pvp match i get in, just spamming my skills (i don't even know all of them just spam forge and elixirs) this game sucks right now and it's a meme of what it was originally.
Still, if you find a player with same skill and more op build/in better matchup you will lose. Some players want to do everything to win. That is what makes the game fun for them. You cannot say that this is not the right way only because someone elses is diferent
Beeing good and winning is mostly not related. You can win and still be bad if you have better build and/or your opponent is worse. You can lose even if you are better if you have worse build or bad matchup. If you want to win as much as possible you should have best possible build. Just skill might not be enough.
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> @"Leonidrex.5649" said:
> > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > @"Ansau.7326" said:
> > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:
> > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:
> > > > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"kraai.7265" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > > > > I feel like you are complicating things. In pve/wvw chronomancer traitline is not that good now (compared how it used to be). If there was no mesmer playable I would take it as a problem but if I remember correctly, mirage is still doing well.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > For example retribution from revenant has no use in raids. Yet revenants do (and are quite strong in their roles).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Im sorry but doing well where?? in wvw we can only roam as mirages to find duels or small fights, those are dead since we have warclaws so no use, and chrono is unplayable, mirage in zerg fights is as usefull as core ranger, and that core support mesmer build in metabattle is a bad joke outshined by every other spec.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sry for late response. As I have said I dont play wvw so I asked a friend that is part of a hardcore wvw guild to answer for you. She said she dont want to explain it to you since it looks like you dont want to listen and she is tired of explaining something to players that just dont want to understand because their class is not as op as it used to be.
> > > > > > > "You are just clueless/dont want to listen so I wont explain anything,you are bad and no longer carried by OP spec"
> > > > > > > it's **ad hominem** plus it's useless comment
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How is yours any diferent? :D
> > > > > Dont think its useless to let you know about your logical fallacy. If you have nothing to say, stay quiet.
> > > > > About chrono in pvp - completely dead and useless.
> > > >
> > > > I dont understand how there could be any logical fallacy if there is no statement including logic. My post was only reaction to his reaction. I apologised why I havent responded yet and gave my reason. As I have said, chrono is bad traitline in wvw/pvp but that is same as retribution (revenant) in pve. Mesmer is still played in wvw even by top players. I wanted to support my claim by an example but she refused to respond. Nothing I can do about it.
> > > >
> > > > And the way I see it, 95 percent of posts on forum are usless or wrong. At least mine wasnt both.
> > >
> > > The reason why Retribution is not working in pve is not because it has a lucklasting performance, but because of how useless are in general defensive specializations in pve, as the game mode is based on AI having hard hitting attacks that cannot be sustained so active defenses are the only solution, between fairly long times of hitting an AFK hitpoint bag.
> > >
> > > And Retribution is far from being bad. In fact, it outperforms both Chaos and Inspiration at sustain and support. Passive endurance recovery, stability on dodge, damage reduction and turns an spammable elite into a counter to condis. Mesmer doesn't even have anything remotely close to any of those things, let alone all together in a single specialization.
> > >
> > > It's funny, you come here with a laughable example and yet you feel free to discredit others with the most childish excuse possible (someone else said me something but I will not bother telling you). I don't know who is that friend of yours playing hardcore gvg, I even doubt that it exists.
> > >
> > > The fact that you compared and elite spec (and a useless one like chrono) with a core spec (that is meta in wvw/pvp) like Retribution shows how much of ignorance your explanations are full of.
> >
> > Traitline is traitline. Elite or not, it doesnt matter. I know that defense is usless in pve and that is why I made this example. Scrapper is also rarely used in pve but works in wvw.
> > In the other hand chrono is used in pve as power dps, condi dps, power support, condi support and can also be used for heals so it is not usless or unplayable there.
> >
> > In my opinion, if you want to be competetive in something you need to swap to whatever is op at the moment or whatever counters that op pick. If chrono is not op then swap to something else.
> >
> > And for my friend. I dont care as I have said :D
>
> to elaborate, chrono CAN be used as power dps but is subpar, CAN be used as condi dps but is subpar ( confusion as main dmg means its kitten at trash clear that gets chain CC and relies on bosses spaming ), CAN heal but its worse then other options. Only thing its actually GOOD at is tank+buff on raids due to allot of block/evades, and thats preety much it.
Thats why recent sabir record was done with power chrono. Condi chrono is as good as scepter mirage, not best in slot but second on 1 boss. I solohealed some bosses as a chrono, why waste a slot for healer when you can take support chrono that heals. Are we talking about best in slot or usable?
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> @"Ansau.7326" said:
> > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > @"Ansau.7326" said:
> > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:
> > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:
> > > > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"kraai.7265" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > > > > I feel like you are complicating things. In pve/wvw chronomancer traitline is not that good now (compared how it used to be). If there was no mesmer playable I would take it as a problem but if I remember correctly, mirage is still doing well.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > For example retribution from revenant has no use in raids. Yet revenants do (and are quite strong in their roles).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Im sorry but doing well where?? in wvw we can only roam as mirages to find duels or small fights, those are dead since we have warclaws so no use, and chrono is unplayable, mirage in zerg fights is as usefull as core ranger, and that core support mesmer build in metabattle is a bad joke outshined by every other spec.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sry for late response. As I have said I dont play wvw so I asked a friend that is part of a hardcore wvw guild to answer for you. She said she dont want to explain it to you since it looks like you dont want to listen and she is tired of explaining something to players that just dont want to understand because their class is not as op as it used to be.
> > > > > > > "You are just clueless/dont want to listen so I wont explain anything,you are bad and no longer carried by OP spec"
> > > > > > > it's **ad hominem** plus it's useless comment
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How is yours any diferent? :D
> > > > > Dont think its useless to let you know about your logical fallacy. If you have nothing to say, stay quiet.
> > > > > About chrono in pvp - completely dead and useless.
> > > >
> > > > I dont understand how there could be any logical fallacy if there is no statement including logic. My post was only reaction to his reaction. I apologised why I havent responded yet and gave my reason. As I have said, chrono is bad traitline in wvw/pvp but that is same as retribution (revenant) in pve. Mesmer is still played in wvw even by top players. I wanted to support my claim by an example but she refused to respond. Nothing I can do about it.
> > > >
> > > > And the way I see it, 95 percent of posts on forum are usless or wrong. At least mine wasnt both.
> > >
> > > The reason why Retribution is not working in pve is not because it has a lucklasting performance, but because of how useless are in general defensive specializations in pve, as the game mode is based on AI having hard hitting attacks that cannot be sustained so active defenses are the only solution, between fairly long times of hitting an AFK hitpoint bag.
> > >
> > > And Retribution is far from being bad. In fact, it outperforms both Chaos and Inspiration at sustain and support. Passive endurance recovery, stability on dodge, damage reduction and turns an spammable elite into a counter to condis. Mesmer doesn't even have anything remotely close to any of those things, let alone all together in a single specialization.
> > >
> > > It's funny, you come here with a laughable example and yet you feel free to discredit others with the most childish excuse possible (someone else said me something but I will not bother telling you). I don't know who is that friend of yours playing hardcore gvg, I even doubt that it exists.
> > >
> > > The fact that you compared and elite spec (and a useless one like chrono) with a core spec (that is meta in wvw/pvp) like Retribution shows how much of ignorance your explanations are full of.
> >
> > Traitline is traitline. Elite or not, it doesnt matter. I know that defense is usless in pve and that is why I made this example. Scrapper is also rarely used in pve but works in wvw.
> > In the other hand chrono is used in pve as power dps, condi dps, power support, condi support and can also be used for heals so it is not usless or unplayable there.
> >
> > In my opinion, if you want to be competetive in something you need to swap to whatever is op at the moment or whatever counters that op pick. If chrono is not op then swap to something else.
> >
> > And for my friend. I dont care as I have said :D
>
> No, it does, despite you trying to deny it. Elite specializations change core mechanics, unlock skills and weapons and define the theme of the builds including them. The trivialization you're doing is just a cheesy way to validate your point, but it's just that, a trivialization that only touches the surface of the topic while ignoring the full iceberg.
>
> Anyway, the issue with Chrono is beyond mesmer effectiveness as a class in the game (the point you're trying to bring to dismiss the discussion in question?). Chrono not only suffered the worst core mechanical downgrade in Gw2 from a performance point of view, it also was left in a position where joy and entertainment don't go any longer with it. Not only the elite has lost a lot of effectiveness across all game modes, nobody likes the change, nobody enjoys playing the new mechanics. The result is Chrono is being left in the dust as a specialization that only brings the players frustration and a bad experience in the game.
>
> OP topic was to put in perspective of other professions the magnitude of the mistake that anet has made with chrono. Effectiveness and viability in game modes are irrelevant, quality of life and player experience is what it is in question.
>
> If your point was: but it doesn't matter because mirage is still a thing, let me tell you that you both missed the point and failed at the attempt to argument against it.
I guess I never understood it then. For me traits (elite or not), weapons and even classes dont matter. What I play is what is best for my style and type of play. Game changes. If you want to be competetive this is the right mindset. We can only argue if changes were deserved or not. And I feel like chronos changes were deserved. Now it is not the only choice for pve so I can swap to take what is best.
If you dont feel the same I am sorry but it is not my problem. This is public forum and I can state my opinion.
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> @"Kashrlyyk.5364" said:
> > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > 18 percent is huge.
> > And yes, you get more dps because it is harder to play. Is there a problem with this?
> >
> > Lets say that a fight takes 3 minutes. Then that weaver deals 1080000 more damage.
>
> No, it is not. If an enemy takes 10 hits to kill increasing damage by 18% reduces the amount of hits to 9. Maybe 8 if you deal burning or bleeding damage, too. But you also would have dealt that damage in the 10 hits scenario.
>
> So 1-2 hits less. That is NOT a huge change. Even 25% more damage is not actually that great.
Then you never did anything semi challanging in this game. There are times when every 100 dpscounts. I have seen fights that ended with a fail since we were missing few hundereds damage to skip certain mechanic.
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> @"Ansau.7326" said:
> > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > @"praqtos.9035" said:
> > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:
> > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > @"kraai.7265" said:
> > > > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > > I feel like you are complicating things. In pve/wvw chronomancer traitline is not that good now (compared how it used to be). If there was no mesmer playable I would take it as a problem but if I remember correctly, mirage is still doing well.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For example retribution from revenant has no use in raids. Yet revenants do (and are quite strong in their roles).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Im sorry but doing well where?? in wvw we can only roam as mirages to find duels or small fights, those are dead since we have warclaws so no use, and chrono is unplayable, mirage in zerg fights is as usefull as core ranger, and that core support mesmer build in metabattle is a bad joke outshined by every other spec.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sry for late response. As I have said I dont play wvw so I asked a friend that is part of a hardcore wvw guild to answer for you. She said she dont want to explain it to you since it looks like you dont want to listen and she is tired of explaining something to players that just dont want to understand because their class is not as op as it used to be.
> > > > > "You are just clueless/dont want to listen so I wont explain anything,you are bad and no longer carried by OP spec"
> > > > > it's **ad hominem** plus it's useless comment
> > > >
> > > > How is yours any diferent? :D
> > > Dont think its useless to let you know about your logical fallacy. If you have nothing to say, stay quiet.
> > > About chrono in pvp - completely dead and useless.
> >
> > I dont understand how there could be any logical fallacy if there is no statement including logic. My post was only reaction to his reaction. I apologised why I havent responded yet and gave my reason. As I have said, chrono is bad traitline in wvw/pvp but that is same as retribution (revenant) in pve. Mesmer is still played in wvw even by top players. I wanted to support my claim by an example but she refused to respond. Nothing I can do about it.
> >
> > And the way I see it, 95 percent of posts on forum are usless or wrong. At least mine wasnt both.
>
> The reason why Retribution is not working in pve is not because it has a lucklasting performance, but because of how useless are in general defensive specializations in pve, as the game mode is based on AI having hard hitting attacks that cannot be sustained so active defenses are the only solution, between fairly long times of hitting an AFK hitpoint bag.
>
> And Retribution is far from being bad. In fact, it outperforms both Chaos and Inspiration at sustain and support. Passive endurance recovery, stability on dodge, damage reduction and turns an spammable elite into a counter to condis. Mesmer doesn't even have anything remotely close to any of those things, let alone all together in a single specialization.
>
> It's funny, you come here with a laughable example and yet you feel free to discredit others with the most childish excuse possible (someone else said me something but I will not bother telling you). I don't know who is that friend of yours playing hardcore gvg, I even doubt that it exists.
>
> The fact that you compared and elite spec (and a useless one like chrono) with a core spec (that is meta in wvw/pvp) like Retribution shows how much of ignorance your explanations are full of.
Traitline is traitline. Elite or not, it doesnt matter. I know that defense is usless in pve and that is why I made this example. Scrapper is also rarely used in pve but works in wvw.
In the other hand chrono is used in pve as power dps, condi dps, power support, condi support and can also be used for heals so it is not usless or unplayable there.
In my opinion, if you want to be competetive in something you need to swap to whatever is op at the moment or whatever counters that op pick. If chrono is not op then swap to something else.
And for my friend. I dont care as I have said :D
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> @"praqtos.9035" said:
> > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > @"praqtos.9035" said:
> > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said:
> > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > @"kraai.7265" said:
> > > > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > > I feel like you are complicating things. In pve/wvw chronomancer traitline is not that good now (compared how it used to be). If there was no mesmer playable I would take it as a problem but if I remember correctly, mirage is still doing well.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For example retribution from revenant has no use in raids. Yet revenants do (and are quite strong in their roles).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Im sorry but doing well where?? in wvw we can only roam as mirages to find duels or small fights, those are dead since we have warclaws so no use, and chrono is unplayable, mirage in zerg fights is as usefull as core ranger, and that core support mesmer build in metabattle is a bad joke outshined by every other spec.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sry for late response. As I have said I dont play wvw so I asked a friend that is part of a hardcore wvw guild to answer for you. She said she dont want to explain it to you since it looks like you dont want to listen and she is tired of explaining something to players that just dont want to understand because their class is not as op as it used to be.
> > > > > "You are just clueless/dont want to listen so I wont explain anything,you are bad and no longer carried by OP spec"
> > > > > it's **ad hominem** plus it's useless comment
> > > >
> > > > How is yours any diferent? :D
> > > Dont think its useless to let you know about your logical fallacy. If you have nothing to say, stay quiet.
> > > About chrono in pvp - completely dead and useless.
> >
> > I dont understand how there could be any logical fallacy if there is no statement including logic. My post was only reaction to his reaction. I apologised why I havent responded yet and gave my reason. As I have said, chrono is bad traitline in wvw/pvp but that is same as retribution (revenant) in pve. Mesmer is still played in wvw even by top players. I wanted to support my claim by an example but she refused to respond. Nothing I can do about it.
> https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
> "She said she dont want to explain it to you since it looks like you dont want to listen and she is tired of explaining something to players that just dont want to understand because their class is not as op as it used to be."
> It would be better to not add it at all.
> > And the way I see it, 95 percent of posts on forum are usless or wrong. At least mine wasnt both.
> It was both in the same time.
I will be very thankful if you showed me where I am wrong please
I asked her to answer for me and send her the link to this conversation. She read it and then she said she dont like to answer to this kind of post because it is pointless. You dont have to belive me this but I dont care.
And I just said what I heared. No personal opinion there.
Personal opinion is something like this: I feel like all these types of post are made by crybabies that rather scream at developer then try to adapt.
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> @"praqtos.9035" said:
> > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > @"praqtos.9035" said:
> > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > @"kraai.7265" said:
> > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > I feel like you are complicating things. In pve/wvw chronomancer traitline is not that good now (compared how it used to be). If there was no mesmer playable I would take it as a problem but if I remember correctly, mirage is still doing well.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For example retribution from revenant has no use in raids. Yet revenants do (and are quite strong in their roles).
> > > > >
> > > > > Im sorry but doing well where?? in wvw we can only roam as mirages to find duels or small fights, those are dead since we have warclaws so no use, and chrono is unplayable, mirage in zerg fights is as usefull as core ranger, and that core support mesmer build in metabattle is a bad joke outshined by every other spec.
> > > >
> > > > Sry for late response. As I have said I dont play wvw so I asked a friend that is part of a hardcore wvw guild to answer for you. She said she dont want to explain it to you since it looks like you dont want to listen and she is tired of explaining something to players that just dont want to understand because their class is not as op as it used to be.
> > > "You are just clueless/dont want to listen so I wont explain anything,you are bad and no longer carried by OP spec"
> > > it's **ad hominem** plus it's useless comment
> >
> > How is yours any diferent? :D
> Dont think its useless to let you know about your logical fallacy. If you have nothing to say, stay quiet.
> About chrono in pvp - completely dead and useless.
I dont understand how there could be any logical fallacy if there is no statement including logic. My post was only reaction to his reaction. I apologised why I havent responded yet and gave my reason. As I have said, chrono is bad traitline in wvw/pvp but that is same as retribution (revenant) in pve. Mesmer is still played in wvw even by top players. I wanted to support my claim by an example but she refused to respond. Nothing I can do about it.
And the way I see it, 95 percent of posts on forum are usless or wrong. At least mine wasnt both.
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> @"praqtos.9035" said:
> > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > @"kraai.7265" said:
> > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > I feel like you are complicating things. In pve/wvw chronomancer traitline is not that good now (compared how it used to be). If there was no mesmer playable I would take it as a problem but if I remember correctly, mirage is still doing well.
> > > >
> > > > For example retribution from revenant has no use in raids. Yet revenants do (and are quite strong in their roles).
> > >
> > > Im sorry but doing well where?? in wvw we can only roam as mirages to find duels or small fights, those are dead since we have warclaws so no use, and chrono is unplayable, mirage in zerg fights is as usefull as core ranger, and that core support mesmer build in metabattle is a bad joke outshined by every other spec.
> >
> > Sry for late response. As I have said I dont play wvw so I asked a friend that is part of a hardcore wvw guild to answer for you. She said she dont want to explain it to you since it looks like you dont want to listen and she is tired of explaining something to players that just dont want to understand because their class is not as op as it used to be.
> "You are just clueless/dont want to listen so I wont explain anything,you are bad and no longer carried by OP spec"
> it's ad hominem plus it's useless comment
How is yours any diferent? :D
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> @"Requiem.9648" said:
> Like i mention on other post chrono Tower on escort raid get hard to play cause if that dry shatter removed you can get perma fear or kick down the tower even running chaos line. So its more easy to just play base mesmer to do it. That just show that nerf was too much.
I am now running either core mesmer on towers (illusions, chaos, inspiration) with gs and sword focus or boonthief. Since you dont usualy provide boons at the end anyway this is much safer. Also if you want to go very fast you can play 1 mesmer and 1 thief to get perma boons at the end (exept alacrity)
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> @"kraai.7265" said:
> > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > I feel like you are complicating things. In pve/wvw chronomancer traitline is not that good now (compared how it used to be). If there was no mesmer playable I would take it as a problem but if I remember correctly, mirage is still doing well.
> >
> > For example retribution from revenant has no use in raids. Yet revenants do (and are quite strong in their roles).
>
> Im sorry but doing well where?? in wvw we can only roam as mirages to find duels or small fights, those are dead since we have warclaws so no use, and chrono is unplayable, mirage in zerg fights is as usefull as core ranger, and that core support mesmer build in metabattle is a bad joke outshined by every other spec.
Sry for late response. As I have said I dont play wvw so I asked a friend that is part of a hardcore wvw guild to answer for you. She said she dont want to explain it to you since it looks like you dont want to listen and she is tired of explaining something to players that just dont want to understand because their class is not as op as it used to be.
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You can get it from any stat selectable exotic now.so bladed or laystone armor should work.
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Look at the rotation and give it a go on golem. Then join some training discord and you are good to go
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> @"Trise.2865" said:
> > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > @"Trise.2865" said:
> > > Because raiders are uncreative, net-decking slaves to an imaginary "meta".
> >
> > First part is true but meta is certainly not imaginary :D
>
> Meta does exist. *That* meta, the one they think they need, does not.
True that
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> @"Fueki.4753" said:
> > @"SoulSlavocracy.4902" said:
> > Weaver is really good
> > Has been really good in almost all regards since it was released with PoF.
> And people who prefer Core Elementalist or DPS Tempest, outside of that stale Air one-trick gimmick, get left in the dust.
> I don't think Weaver and Stale Air are even half the class, more one third or maybe two fifths.
You mean just like basicaly every core class, warrior without fast hands, dps druid, , dps scrapper and condition soulbeast without quickdraw to name a few
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> @"Arheundel.6451" said:
> > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > @"steki.1478" said:
> > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > @"Kashrlyyk.5364" said:
> > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > Already send them some posts ago but just a number might not be enough so here are videos.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And just to be clear, all those videos are done only with boons and buffs that you actualy have in raid. Last ones are from LN, they dont use consumables in these videos but instead more buffs so the numbers should be similar.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here is an actual boss kill. Just check if those boons ever drop if you dont belive me
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And it is true that ele is a glass cannon. You can do huge damage but you also die quickly. In my opinion, going full damage is the way to go since there are more balanced classes that combine defense and damage. If you take more defense on ele, then something else will be better. I think that ele should go all in on the thing he does best, damage.
> > > > >
> > > > > 39 to 33 is only 18% more.
> > > > > How much more complicated or harder is the Condition Weaver rotation compared to one of the Power Soulbeast? And how much more squishy is the Condition Weaver compared to the Power Soulbeast?
> > > >
> > > > 18 percent is huge.
> > > > And yes, you get more dps because it is harder to play. Is there a problem with this?
> > > >
> > > > Lets say that a fight takes 3 minutes. Then that weaver deals 1080000 more damage.
> > >
> > > That's not how it works. DPS builds dont have constant dps all the time, the dps is spread out on big bursts and dps drops. 2 weaver builds that were spread out by only a few seconds had huge dps difference because one rotation finished at it's lowest drop while other one was in the middle of it's burst. 4 mil golem doesnt give you a realistic picture about general dps, it just serves as a standard because all dps builds can be tested under same conditions.
> >
> > Yes, you are right. It is not the same diference as I wrote. To be fair I dont play weaver (or dps) and I dont know if those builds ended on burst or not so I used a statistical method. I made an assumption that those benchmarks end not right after burst and not right before burst.
> > And If you look at the MO video, that weaver is still first in dps.
> > I still stand by the fact that 18 percent more DPS is huge diference.
> >
> > So to sumarise this conversation
> > Eles should do huge damage because it is squishy -> ele does
> > Core ele should do huge damage -> not the best but still decent numbers
> > The best ele builds are complicated for their advantage -> If a build has more skills then others and still only need to use a few to be at same dps then something is wrong.
> > Full berserker gear is not playable -> I play it
> > Ele is squisy -> most enemies die before they touch him.
> >
> > Hope I havent forgot anything
> >
> >
>
> You're taling about perfect scenario with all possible boons applied +dmg modifier and food....**against static non-attacking target**, that's all nice and dandy for like 5% of the whole game, guess when it comes to golem smashing there is no better class than ele...for everything class...play an actual class
>
> Eles should do huge damage because it is squishy --> ele doesn't by a long shot and if it manage to top some golem smashing benchmark it's because it gave every single point in dmg still requiring perfect timing and precision ...why players should do all that when they can use a dragonhunter in total relax mode while losing few thousand point dmg?
>
> Seen as top raid guilds complete raids without using a single weaver...I dunno why this obnoxious obession with top DPS when it's completely worthless in the grand scheme of things?
>
> They nerfed greatly the dmg without actual compensation in sustain, added complexity for the sake of being complex...it's a no deal for me, ele will keep taking dust on character screen
Aned states that ele is squishy with large damage... and it is.
In reality other options are better, sometimes because of abusing 1 more slot in raids with dh, sometimes because actualy you can have only 1/5 of that damage and still oneshot everything in openworld.
Sustain doesnt matter (and ele has better sustain then most dps classes) because with full dps gear everything dies before it gets to you.
Achievement locked behind rng? Thanks anet
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Just wait some time and they will be cheaper on TP