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> @"Patty.3268" said:
> > @"Taygus.4571" said:
> > That punishes hardcore players and loyal spenders even more....are you crazy?
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> > If anything buying more should get cheaper.
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> No, I'm not. If slots start out more expensive and become cheaper the more you buy, that instead punishes non-hardcore players who only need a few additional slots instead of large numbers. There are a lot more non-hardcore players than hardcore players and loyal spenders. I was looking at it taking all types of players into account, not just some. I agree that my approach would make templates more expensive for hardcore players, but would also increase availability of additional slots for the overall player base by having lower entry prizes.
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Then it should be the first one is at a reduced charge (aka entry fee), then any additional are the original charge. So first for 100, then the remaining are 200. Not this 100(x+1) where x is the number of slots you've purchased.
What they should do is discount bulk purchases.
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> @"Maikimaik.1974" said:
> > @"PookieDaWombat.6209" said:
> > > @"Maikimaik.1974" said:
> > > > @"PookieDaWombat.6209" said:
> > > > > @"Astralporing.1957" said:
> > > > > > @"PookieDaWombat.6209" said:
> > > > > > I understood completely and I posited that this was an incorrect assessment. Each character will have their standard build in WvW, and PvP, then the three free slots right out the gates. This means it can have their primary PvE build and then two others. Now, for MOST players they take the game semi seriously, they might have on any single character:
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> > > > > > One Power based build
> > > > > > One Condi based build
> > > > > > One Support based build
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> > > > > > Within those set ups they might situationally swap out a utility or a weapon, but in MOST cases only a utility will be swapped out.
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> > > > > > Looking at an account where someone has 5 level 80 characters and probably plays 3 of them semi-regularly with one main they play most of the time, the starting free slots will more than suffice for them.
> > > > > Only if they don't play WvW as well. Those use different gear than their PvE equivalent (you don't run glass in WvW). That already bumps you up to 6 different gear sets.
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> > > > > > Now, if they were a bit more serious about having hard a fast swap-able builds
> > > > > They can;t do anything more, because 6 gear sets are already filled, and they can't have any more.
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> > > > > > This brings us to the free 6 account wide build slots that
> > > > > don't give you more gear sets available, because they are _build_ slots.
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> > > > > So, you were saying?
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> > > > I play WvW. Have since the beginning. I've also played everything from glass to super tanky support so to say "you don't run glass in WvW" is just silly and ill-informed. Furthermore, my gear set on many of my more played toons is geared around playing in multiple game modes without a huge need to swap equipment in any major way unless i was doing a MAJOR shift (say from condi to power or to a completely different elite spec) and that does not happen as often as a very few number of players would like to try to convince those of us that have been here since day one hour one of this game's launch.
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> > > > Six gear load-outs is literally more than enough for the vat majority of players in this game and this is the same thing i've been saying in this thread. You're trying to argue for a very niche group of players that think they need to have a template slot for every rune and sigil and weapon they might possibly run in a very specific scenario, and I'm saying (and have been saying) that such a thing is neither practical or realistic when looking at the overall playerbase of guild wars 2. Why is this a hard concept to grasp?
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> > > > Per character having 6 EQ load out slots is more than enough for MOST players in the game. I'm talking everyone from the most casual of casuals to the most hardcore of midcore players and even some serious hardcore players that are realistic about not needing build templates for that one niche boss that requires some specific sigil to eek out that extra 1k dps, but nowhere else in the game. However instead of looking at this realistically, those few players are loosing their minds because they aren't getting 4564564 slots.
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> > > > So lets take your example regarding the WvW build. Even if you build specifically to that mode, you mean to tell me the PvE variety of that build is so drastic that it requires its own set up? With vastly different weapons sigils and runes? Really? And you are trying to sell me on the fact that you'd honestly need way more than 6 eq slots to cover all the armor and weapons you need to slot for all those builds? There is no real overlap in any of them that they can be intelligently consolidated? Really? Do you honestly think that if this is the case for you that this is somehow the case for the vast majority of players in the game as it stands? Or could it be possible that you don't have a real vision into just who plays this game and how most of the players even play this game.
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> > > > Ultimately there seems to be a disconnect from a lot of self proclaimed HARDCORE players that think the offering is way too little, and perhaps down the line they might expand those slot offerings to 10 per character, but honestly, this game doesn't have nearly the build diversity of its predecessor and too many of these numbers being thrown around are absurd and only serve to weaken your argument for more space, not help it.
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> > > There's still no reason to limit them to only 6.
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> > No, the reason to limit it to 6 per character is because they are keeping all that info saved server side and have to account for that level of data retention and anyone who's worked in IT and supported large database servers understands this.
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> That's really hard to imagine, we're talking about literal bytes of data.
Those bytes add up and they do have to future proof things as well. Not to mention all of the other data being stored on their end.
Not saying they are at the max due to that, but small things do add up.
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> @"Taygus.4571" said:
> > @"Patty.3268" said:
> > > @"Blood Red Arachnid.2493" said:
> > > You lie by omission then accuse me of twisting facts all while ignoring what I have actually said. There are countless examples of how the template system is insubstantial and cumbersome. Respect them if you want to treated with any seriousness.
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> > I would really like to hear where exactly I lied? Because according to the stream, we get 3 account and character build templates each and 2 equipment templates for free. As of now, we only need to pay for additional slots. So saying we need to pay to get it to work on a basic level is just not true. It will work without paying at all.
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> > I would also like to hear your suggestions on how the system could be even easier than it will be? In the stream, it was specifically stated and shown that the templates will mimic what a player needs to do manually now. Right now, you can switch traits, utility skills, equipment and the game will remember your choices. There are confirmation windows when attempting to override parts of your equipment (e.g. placing a rune in non-legendary armor), but besides that, you can switch things without even hitting a save button or anything like that. In my opinion, that's as simple as it can get. And templates will work exactly like that. The difference is, now we only have one template slot, when templates go live we have up to six. But they will work the same way.
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> > And I do respect other people's opinion. For instance, I can understand that only up to 6 character slots is not enough for some players, but the amount of available slots doesn't have any influence on how easy it is to create a template. What I won't respect is when people start twisting facts to make their opinion more valid. And claiming we need to pay for templates to get them to work, like a few posters did, is definitely twisting a fact.
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> > > @"Astralporing.1957" said:
> > > > Well, we actually do get an easy and functional system and we don't need pay for the basic version, just for extra slots.
> > > It's "easy and functional" only for people that don't have much use of it. For those that did have an use for it, it's anything but. And as for "basic version for free", if the _fully unlocked_ version is way too limited, what do you think the "basic version" is?
> > > For me, it's like those those treats you sometimes being offered in shops for free. Enough to feel the taste, but not helping at all if you were hungry. Nothing more than a promotional advertisement.
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> > What exactly means limited for you? The maximum number of available slots? As above, I totally get that 6 is not enough for some players, but that has no influence on how easy or hard it is to use a template.
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> > Something constructive on that matter: Would it be an option to increase the number of avaible slots to much higher numbers and have the gem price for addtional slots scale with the number of slots you already have? So the more slots you have, the higher the price, with a set upper price limit and a low price for the first slots? Something similar to buying skills on new character in gw1.
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> That punishes hardcore players and loyal spenders even more....are you crazy?
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> If anything buying more should get cheaper.
Yea, buying more slots should be cheaper and they should do a buy more at once and get more per gem. That way it benefits those who are coming off of arc who have a lot of templates by making it cheaper to at least reach maximum number of slots since they will likely be mass purchasing if they choose to expand to max.
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> @"sorudo.9054" said:
> > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > @"sorudo.9054" said:
> > > if you like static achievements with an empty world filled with nothingness, GW2 is the place for you.
> > > if you love a world without even a single bit of immersion, GW2 is the place for you.
> > > if you really like grinding stuff within massive spam of effects and fake "no trinity" claims, GW2 is the place for you.
> > >
> > > so yep, it's absolutely.....NOT worth it if you want a proper well designed game that doesn't burn you out within weeks.
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> > I wasn't burnt out in weeks and I've been playing since head start.
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> > I don't feel the world is emtpy or filled for nothingness.
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> > I feel the world is very immersive.
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> > There isn't much grind in the game and what grind there is is not mandatory.
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> > There isn't a trinity in this game. Some content just requires you to be able to do a series of things and doesn't care how you split it up between the players.
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> > So I would say it is worth it to play.
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> then you're easily satisfied.
Who cares if someone is easily satisfied or not?
Doesn't change the fact that it is worth it for a new player to play the game and see what their own opinion is on the game. Because games are very much a your mileage may vary on how much you enjoy a game and for how long.
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> @"sorudo.9054" said:
> if you like static achievements with an empty world filled with nothingness, GW2 is the place for you.
> if you love a world without even a single bit of immersion, GW2 is the place for you.
> if you really like grinding stuff within massive spam of effects and fake "no trinity" claims, GW2 is the place for you.
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> so yep, it's absolutely.....NOT worth it if you want a proper well designed game that doesn't burn you out within weeks.
I wasn't burnt out in weeks and I've been playing since head start.
I don't feel the world is emtpy or filled for nothingness.
I feel the world is very immersive.
There isn't much grind in the game and what grind there is is not mandatory.
There isn't a trinity in this game. Some content just requires you to be able to do a series of things and doesn't care how you split it up between the players.
So I would say it is worth it to play.
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> @"SeikeNz.3526" said:
> change your items and traits, full zerk don't work for pve out of a party
Full zerk can work in PvE out of a party. It's just the most unforgiving build. You have fewer mistakes that you can make before you die.
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> @"Taygus.4571" said:
> > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > @"Acheron.4731" said:
> > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > > @"Acheron.4731" said:
> > > > > > @"Swagger.1459" said:
> > > > > > @"susana.7814" Don't be ungrateful, especially since you don’t pay a mandatory monthly fee to play this game. Maybe learn about the costs of running a business, employees costs and about taxes before you decide to complain again.
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> > > > > Is there not a greater cost in sowing ill-will?
> > > > > Don't be naive. A one time money grab that erodes the good-will of the community is ultimately bad for business not good
> > > >
> > > > I haven't seen anywhere where they've stated the costs of things. They didn't know what prices things were going to be during the guild chat. the only thing they said was the equipment tabs would likely be priced based on other storage expanders since they store inventory. They did state that they have been designed to hold 60 items (if literally everything in the inventory that it stores is legendary which is not currently the case, they were just future proofing it).
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> > > > Did they post somewhere else what they thought the prices were going to be?
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> > > Not that I am aware of yet. Only speculation based off of storage expansion, bank tabs etc is all I have seen :)
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> > I'll be fine if the equipment tabs are that price (though they should give a third for free to match the build templates, how many builds use the same equipment?).
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> > Build templates and build template storage should be relatively cheap to expand if they don't just make them free because it's way too easy to live with just the ones given since it works by
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> > chat codes.
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> doesnt work for gear templates tho
Like I said, build templates and build template storage need to be relatively cheap if they don't change their mind on monetizing them because it's not hard to work within those confines given the chat codes.
But since equipment tabs do store inventory freeing up bag slots this will reduce the purchase of bag and/or bank slots so I am fine if ANet prices them at that level.
I think they'd be better served making them less expensive since they can't hold just anything and can only hold one glove at a time. It's not going to be able to hold all of the loot that you get whereas a bag slot would. So maybe around the 200-300 gem price given the limitations of quantity and type of items it can hold would at least be closer to ideal.
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> @"Acheron.4731" said:
> > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > @"Acheron.4731" said:
> > > > @"Swagger.1459" said:
> > > > @"susana.7814" Don't be ungrateful, especially since you don’t pay a mandatory monthly fee to play this game. Maybe learn about the costs of running a business, employees costs and about taxes before you decide to complain again.
> > >
> > > Is there not a greater cost in sowing ill-will?
> > > Don't be naive. A one time money grab that erodes the good-will of the community is ultimately bad for business not good
> >
> > I haven't seen anywhere where they've stated the costs of things. They didn't know what prices things were going to be during the guild chat. the only thing they said was the equipment tabs would likely be priced based on other storage expanders since they store inventory. They did state that they have been designed to hold 60 items (if literally everything in the inventory that it stores is legendary which is not currently the case, they were just future proofing it).
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> > Did they post somewhere else what they thought the prices were going to be?
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> Not that I am aware of yet. Only speculation based off of storage expansion, bank tabs etc is all I have seen :)
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I'll be fine if the equipment tabs are that price (though they should give a third for free to match the build templates, how many builds use the same equipment?).
Build templates and build template storage should be relatively cheap to expand if they don't just make them free because it's way too easy to live with just the ones given since it works by chat codes.
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> @"Acheron.4731" said:
> > @"Swagger.1459" said:
> > @"susana.7814" Don't be ungrateful, especially since you don’t pay a mandatory monthly fee to play this game. Maybe learn about the costs of running a business, employees costs and about taxes before you decide to complain again.
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> Is there not a greater cost in sowing ill-will?
> Don't be naive. A one time money grab that erodes the good-will of the community is ultimately bad for business not good
I haven't seen anywhere where they've stated the costs of things. They didn't know what prices things were going to be during the guild chat. the only thing they said was the equipment tabs would likely be priced based on other storage expanders since they store inventory. They did state that they have been designed to hold 60 items (if literally everything in the inventory that it stores is legendary which is not currently the case, they were just future proofing it).
Did they post somewhere else what they thought the prices were going to be?
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> @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
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> > > > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
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> > > > > > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
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> > > > > > > > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Braile.3894" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No it's not ... what is needed is not subjective. If you can play the game without items from the GS, they aren't needed and since people have done and still do that ... then you know they aren't needed.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By your thinking you never need to buy pof because you can just play core with restrictions.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I stopped playing on characters with less bag space a while ago because it was a shore till anet introduced unidentified gear to all of Tyria.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's not my thinking at all. You just don't need anything from the GS to play this game, PERIOD.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You might not need some optional stuff to play the game. However, some people might need some convenience items in order for the game to be fun for them.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I think that's what Braile is referring to. And what people mean when they start listing off QoL items on a list of things they need.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > No, they might WANT some convenience items in order for the game to be fun with them. I get what he means; i'm not the one that needs to be corrected here.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > You can need something in order for something to be fun.
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> > > > > > > > > > > No, I made NO indication between what is needed and what is fun.
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> > > > > > > > > > But some things are needed in order to have fun. And those things can vary from person to person as what is and what is not fun is subjective.
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> > > > > > > > > > Let's remember that outside of the tech/account help areas, that when people talk about needing things in games, that they usually have an implied "to have fun/enjoy the game" and stop getting so hung up on semantics when you get their meaning.
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> > > > > > > > > That's not a need to paly the game ... that's a need to have fun. Let's be VERY clear here .. the statement was that he NEEDED items from the GS to play the game. That's false.
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> > > > > > > > And some people need build templates in order for the game to be fun.
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> > > > > > > OK ... that's doesn't change what I said ... build templates are not needed to play the game. If that wasn't true, no one would have been able to play this game without Arc templates. that's not the case.
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> > > > > > Then stop acting like everyone is talking about need as in "need to play the game" when you know full well most people mean "need in order to have fun".
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> > > > > How about this ... no I'm not going to second-guess someone when they insist they are talking about needing to play vs have fun. The statement was very clear. I like the added bit of comedy where you accuse ME of assuming ... I'm doing the NOT assuming here.
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> > > > > here is a new idea ... maybe you go police people who can't express themselves properly. If they mean fun, they should say it. But they didn't. They said needed to play. Why would I not believe them?
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> > > > When I see it, I call it out. It's just Braile expressed himself clearly. It's called using context.
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> > > You must need new glasses then, because I didn't take his statement out of context. He said GS items needed to play the game. That's not a 'misspeak' and if it was, there was plenty of time for him to correct it, considering I challenged it multiple time. Maybe you should just retreat and admit that your questioning of what I'm saying didn't go the way you wanted it to. You want to stray off , try to have a poke at me ... it failed. I'm not wrong.
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> > > Items from the GS are not needed to play this game PERIOD.
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> > And again. He wasn't saying that they are needed to play the game.
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> yeah he was ... those were the words he used ... when i challenged those words, he continued to insist it was about playing the game.
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I've agreed to disagree with you. I do not wish to argue semantics with you anymore as it is clear that I won't change your mind. And if it hasn't become clear: you will not change my mind either. Your choice on if you want to waste your time with another reply.
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> @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
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> > > > > > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
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> > > > > > > > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Braile.3894" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No it's not ... what is needed is not subjective. If you can play the game without items from the GS, they aren't needed and since people have done and still do that ... then you know they aren't needed.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > By your thinking you never need to buy pof because you can just play core with restrictions.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I stopped playing on characters with less bag space a while ago because it was a shore till anet introduced unidentified gear to all of Tyria.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > That's not my thinking at all. You just don't need anything from the GS to play this game, PERIOD.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > You might not need some optional stuff to play the game. However, some people might need some convenience items in order for the game to be fun for them.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > And I think that's what Braile is referring to. And what people mean when they start listing off QoL items on a list of things they need.
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> > > > > > > > > > > No, they might WANT some convenience items in order for the game to be fun with them. I get what he means; i'm not the one that needs to be corrected here.
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> > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You can need something in order for something to be fun.
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> > > > > > > > > No, I made NO indication between what is needed and what is fun.
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> > > > > > > > But some things are needed in order to have fun. And those things can vary from person to person as what is and what is not fun is subjective.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Let's remember that outside of the tech/account help areas, that when people talk about needing things in games, that they usually have an implied "to have fun/enjoy the game" and stop getting so hung up on semantics when you get their meaning.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That's not a need to paly the game ... that's a need to have fun. Let's be VERY clear here .. the statement was that he NEEDED items from the GS to play the game. That's false.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And some people need build templates in order for the game to be fun.
> > > > >
> > > > > OK ... that's doesn't change what I said ... build templates are not needed to play the game. If that wasn't true, no one would have been able to play this game without Arc templates. that's not the case.
> > > >
> > > > Then stop acting like everyone is talking about need as in "need to play the game" when you know full well most people mean "need in order to have fun".
> > >
> > > How about this ... no I'm not going to second-guess someone when they insist they are talking about needing to play vs have fun. The statement was very clear. I like the added bit of comedy where you accuse ME of assuming ... I'm doing the NOT assuming here.
> > >
> > > here is a new idea ... maybe you go police people who can't express themselves properly. If they mean fun, they should say it. But they didn't. They said needed to play. Why would I not believe them?
> >
> > When I see it, I call it out. It's just Braile expressed himself clearly. It's called using context.
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> You must need new glasses then, because I didn't take his statement out of context. He said GS items needed to play the game. That's not a 'misspeak' and if it was, there was plenty of time for him to correct it, considering I challenged it multiple time. Maybe you should just retreat and admit that your questioning of what I'm saying didn't go the way you wanted it to. You want to stray off , try to have a poke at me ... it failed. I'm not wrong.
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> Items from the GS are not needed to play this game PERIOD.
And again. He wasn't saying that they are needed to play the game. It's clear through context that he's implying that it's a need in order to have fun. He didn't have any misspeak to correct.
He also didn't come out and correct me either. So don't assume because he didn't correct you that you're right.
It's you who should question that this didn't go the way you wanted.
But since it's clear that neither of us are going to convince the other of our opinion, regardless of who is right and who is wrong, we should agree to disagree.
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Build templates can be used at any time. Any skills you haven't unlocked will be grayed out and will direct you to the spend hero points screen to purchase them for the utility and elite skills.
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> @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > @"Seera.5916" said:
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> > > > > > > > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"Braile.3894" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > No it's not ... what is needed is not subjective. If you can play the game without items from the GS, they aren't needed and since people have done and still do that ... then you know they aren't needed.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > By your thinking you never need to buy pof because you can just play core with restrictions.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I stopped playing on characters with less bag space a while ago because it was a shore till anet introduced unidentified gear to all of Tyria.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > That's not my thinking at all. You just don't need anything from the GS to play this game, PERIOD.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You might not need some optional stuff to play the game. However, some people might need some convenience items in order for the game to be fun for them.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > And I think that's what Braile is referring to. And what people mean when they start listing off QoL items on a list of things they need.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > No, they might WANT some convenience items in order for the game to be fun with them. I get what he means; i'm not the one that needs to be corrected here.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes, you are.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You can need something in order for something to be fun.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No, I made NO indication between what is needed and what is fun.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But some things are needed in order to have fun. And those things can vary from person to person as what is and what is not fun is subjective.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let's remember that outside of the tech/account help areas, that when people talk about needing things in games, that they usually have an implied "to have fun/enjoy the game" and stop getting so hung up on semantics when you get their meaning.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's not a need to paly the game ... that's a need to have fun. Let's be VERY clear here .. the statement was that he NEEDED items from the GS to play the game. That's false.
> > > >
> > > > And some people need build templates in order for the game to be fun.
> > >
> > > OK ... that's doesn't change what I said ... build templates are not needed to play the game. If that wasn't true, no one would have been able to play this game without Arc templates. that's not the case.
> >
> > Then stop acting like everyone is talking about need as in "need to play the game" when you know full well most people mean "need in order to have fun".
>
> How about this ... no I'm not going to second-guess someone when they insist they are talking about needing to play vs have fun. The statement was very clear. I like the added bit of comedy where you accuse ME of assuming ... I'm doing the NOT assuming here.
>
> here is a new idea ... maybe you go police people who can't express themselves properly. If they mean fun, they should say it. But they didn't. They said needed to play. Why would I not believe them?
When I see it, I call it out. It's just Braile expressed himself clearly. It's called using context. I use the context of what things a person is talking about to figure out if they are implying anything. To me, it's clear that he was talking about needing to have fun. The title says "convenience". He lists out a bunch of gem store purchases. Clearly nothing required to literally play the game. Therefore, its clear that in the context of this thread, he was referring to the need to have fun.
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> @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > > > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"Braile.3894" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > No it's not ... what is needed is not subjective. If you can play the game without items from the GS, they aren't needed and since people have done and still do that ... then you know they aren't needed.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > By your thinking you never need to buy pof because you can just play core with restrictions.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I stopped playing on characters with less bag space a while ago because it was a shore till anet introduced unidentified gear to all of Tyria.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > That's not my thinking at all. You just don't need anything from the GS to play this game, PERIOD.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You might not need some optional stuff to play the game. However, some people might need some convenience items in order for the game to be fun for them.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And I think that's what Braile is referring to. And what people mean when they start listing off QoL items on a list of things they need.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No, they might WANT some convenience items in order for the game to be fun with them. I get what he means; i'm not the one that needs to be corrected here.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, you are.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can need something in order for something to be fun.
> > > > >
> > > > > No, I made NO indication between what is needed and what is fun.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > But some things are needed in order to have fun. And those things can vary from person to person as what is and what is not fun is subjective.
> > > >
> > > > Let's remember that outside of the tech/account help areas, that when people talk about needing things in games, that they usually have an implied "to have fun/enjoy the game" and stop getting so hung up on semantics when you get their meaning.
> > >
> > > That's not a need to paly the game ... that's a need to have fun. Let's be VERY clear here .. the statement was that he NEEDED items from the GS to play the game. That's false.
> >
> > And some people need build templates in order for the game to be fun.
>
> OK ... that's doesn't change what I said ... build templates are not needed to play the game. If that wasn't true, no one would have been able to play this game without Arc templates. that's not the case.
Then stop acting like everyone is talking about need as in "need to play the game" when you know full well most people mean "need in order to have fun".
Stop assuming that if people don't say "in order to have fun" in the same sentence as "need" in an area of a forum that's not tech help or account related that they mean "to play the game". Especially when it's something obviously not needed to play the game.
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> @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > > > > > @"Braile.3894" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > > > > > > No it's not ... what is needed is not subjective. If you can play the game without items from the GS, they aren't needed and since people have done and still do that ... then you know they aren't needed.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > By your thinking you never need to buy pof because you can just play core with restrictions.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I stopped playing on characters with less bag space a while ago because it was a shore till anet introduced unidentified gear to all of Tyria.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That's not my thinking at all. You just don't need anything from the GS to play this game, PERIOD.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You might not need some optional stuff to play the game. However, some people might need some convenience items in order for the game to be fun for them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And I think that's what Braile is referring to. And what people mean when they start listing off QoL items on a list of things they need.
> > > > >
> > > > > No, they might WANT some convenience items in order for the game to be fun with them. I get what he means; i'm not the one that needs to be corrected here.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, you are.
> > > >
> > > > You can need something in order for something to be fun.
> > >
> > > No, I made NO indication between what is needed and what is fun.
> > >
> >
> > But some things are needed in order to have fun. And those things can vary from person to person as what is and what is not fun is subjective.
> >
> > Let's remember that outside of the tech/account help areas, that when people talk about needing things in games, that they usually have an implied "to have fun/enjoy the game" and stop getting so hung up on semantics when you get their meaning.
>
> That's not a need to paly the game ... that's a need to have fun. Let's be VERY clear here .. the statement was that he NEEDED items from the GS to play the game. That's false.
And some people need build templates in order for the game to be fun.
And again, outside of the technical/account parts of forums, I would say if someone in a thread about a QoL feature being added to the game 7 years after it launched officially and someone says that they need it, that there is an implied "to have fun/enjoy the game" in their post.
I can't find a single spot where he stated explicitly that he needed items from the GS in order to play the game.
The closest thing said was that the game is unplayable without purchasing a lot of stuff from the GS. And if a game is boring enough to someone, it's unplayable to that person.
Like how some books people find are unreadable. It's not that they can't literally read the book, it's just that they find it so boring/bad/horribly written that they can't even force themselves to do it.
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> @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > > > @"Braile.3894" said:
> > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > > > > No it's not ... what is needed is not subjective. If you can play the game without items from the GS, they aren't needed and since people have done and still do that ... then you know they aren't needed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > By your thinking you never need to buy pof because you can just play core with restrictions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I stopped playing on characters with less bag space a while ago because it was a shore till anet introduced unidentified gear to all of Tyria.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's not my thinking at all. You just don't need anything from the GS to play this game, PERIOD.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > You might not need some optional stuff to play the game. However, some people might need some convenience items in order for the game to be fun for them.
> > > >
> > > > And I think that's what Braile is referring to. And what people mean when they start listing off QoL items on a list of things they need.
> > >
> > > No, they might WANT some convenience items in order for the game to be fun with them. I get what he means; i'm not the one that needs to be corrected here.
> >
> > Yes, you are.
> >
> > You can need something in order for something to be fun.
>
> No, I made NO indication between what is needed and what is fun.
>
But some things are needed in order to have fun. And those things can vary from person to person as what is and what is not fun is subjective.
Let's remember that outside of the tech/account help areas, that when people talk about needing things in games, that they usually have an implied "to have fun/enjoy the game" and stop getting so hung up on semantics when you get their meaning.
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> @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > @"Braile.3894" said:
> > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > > No it's not ... what is needed is not subjective. If you can play the game without items from the GS, they aren't needed and since people have done and still do that ... then you know they aren't needed.
> > > >
> > > > By your thinking you never need to buy pof because you can just play core with restrictions.
> > > >
> > > > I stopped playing on characters with less bag space a while ago because it was a shore till anet introduced unidentified gear to all of Tyria.
> > >
> > > That's not my thinking at all. You just don't need anything from the GS to play this game, PERIOD.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > You might not need some optional stuff to play the game. However, some people might need some convenience items in order for the game to be fun for them.
> >
> > And I think that's what Braile is referring to. And what people mean when they start listing off QoL items on a list of things they need.
>
> No, they might WANT some convenience items in order for the game to be fun with them. I get what he means; i'm not the one that needs to be corrected here.
Yes, you are.
You can need something in order for something to be fun.
One of the definitions of need as a verb per the online Merriam-Webster dictionary is:
" to be in want"
So by your own words Braile is just fine to use need as he is currently using it.
Let's also remember that we are discussing a game which is not critical to live. Anything about a game is not a need. You don't need to be able to play a game. So let's keep that in mind and not be so picky over word choice when the meaning of what the person is saying is coming across just fine.
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> @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > @"Braile.3894" said:
> > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > No it's not ... what is needed is not subjective. If you can play the game without items from the GS, they aren't needed and since people have done and still do that ... then you know they aren't needed.
> >
> > By your thinking you never need to buy pof because you can just play core with restrictions.
> >
> > I stopped playing on characters with less bag space a while ago because it was a shore till anet introduced unidentified gear to all of Tyria.
>
> That's not my thinking at all. You just don't need anything from the GS to play this game, PERIOD.
>
>
You might not need some optional stuff to play the game. However, some people might need some convenience items in order for the game to be fun for them.
And I think that's what Braile is referring to. And what people mean when they start listing off QoL items on a list of things they need.
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> @"Kodokuna Akuma.9570" said:
> I legit do not get why people are crying about having to play for QoL like they have to with oh Idk bag slots or bank tabs. If you did not see unlocking more slots with gems coming I think you are disillusioned. What is the problem, I see people complaining as if Anet just stabbed them "locking them out" of what they want. Well two things, firstly you still have access to the feature and can use the slots provided. Secondly, get over it you are not entitled to everything free of cost. Look at the gem store. If you care that much but somehow are not able or willing to fork out the required amount for however many extra slots then convert some gold to gems like everyone else.
Again it's not just that it's being monetized.
See my previous reply for the reasons.
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> @"rabenpriester.7129" said:
> Another thing is: Why even have templates if getting another char slot is just the superior option? You get more bank space, 2 templates, a new blank slate, a new name, more fashion wars characters.
Because they may not have a SSD and that is a lot more downtime for the loading screens to switch characters. While for one instance the downtime might not be too bad. All that downtime adds up and it might mean that because a player had to swap characters more than before that a static group might only get through 6 wings instead of 7 one night.
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> @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > @"Dante.1508" said:
> > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > > @"Dante.1508" said:
> > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > > That is BS. Why Is it called templates if it cannot be saved????
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tell me hiw is it possible that someone could make templates as anaddon for free many years faster then anet and it worked 1000 times better?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What do you mean by that? They can be saved.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lets say you open template number 2 on chrono. Then you swap weapon from focus to sword offhand because you dont need pull. That will overwrite that template so next tim I switch to it it will have sword and not focus.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That would be fine IF i could have enough templates to save all variations but then i would need at least 30 on chrono. 6 is definitely not enough for this.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You do realise needing a whole new build just because you switched a sword out is a bit overkill right..
> > > >
> > > > I think he wants to be able to hit a button and swap the weapons out in a fractal when you need one for a more situational instance but need to swap back right after. Less time to get accidentally brought into combat if you just have to hit a keybind than if you have to open up your inventory/equipment panel and find the weapon to swap it out with. Which I'm figuring was a feature of the add on. I've never used it so I can't say.
> > > Well we have had to deal with these things for years either way how has everyone forgotten this.. What did customers do before ARCDPS, i'm just saying its not a huge deal.
> > >
> >
> > Maybe not to us.
> >
> > But many players did get used to it and make builds and play strategies off of what that add on allowed. Now they are being told that if they want to continue using build templates, that what it's currently capable of is very different and more limiting than what they were using. Which by itself may not have been a problem had ANet not had more templates be purchasable. Granted we don't know the amount it will cost or how many we'll get with a purchase as as of the Guild Chat they hadn't worked that out yet. But the equipment ones will be in line with other storage expandors since it does take items out of the inventory and increases what you can effectively carry from what was said in the chat.
>
> I saw that they had 6 tabs. I dont know how hard it could be to make like 20 maximum but I guess not that hard so I hope they make more then 6.
The equipment is where you'll have the most problem.
Since build templates can be saved externally to the game via chat links, you could prep your common ones into the build storage and then swap out from storage as needed between parts of a fight. I know in fractals there's time to play swap around before you move to the next part of the fractal. I imagine there's time in that in raids.
It is more convoluted to do so and I do feel for those of you who got used to the practically unlimited build templates from arcdps and really took advantage of it as it appears you have.
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> @"Dante.1508" said:
> > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > @"Dante.1508" said:
> > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > > @"Dante.1508" said:
> > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > > > That is BS. Why Is it called templates if it cannot be saved????
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tell me hiw is it possible that someone could make templates as anaddon for free many years faster then anet and it worked 1000 times better?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What do you mean by that? They can be saved.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lets say you open template number 2 on chrono. Then you swap weapon from focus to sword offhand because you dont need pull. That will overwrite that template so next tim I switch to it it will have sword and not focus.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That would be fine IF i could have enough templates to save all variations but then i would need at least 30 on chrono. 6 is definitely not enough for this.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You do realise needing a whole new build just because you switched a sword out is a bit overkill right..
> > > >
> > > > I think he wants to be able to hit a button and swap the weapons out in a fractal when you need one for a more situational instance but need to swap back right after. Less time to get accidentally brought into combat if you just have to hit a keybind than if you have to open up your inventory/equipment panel and find the weapon to swap it out with. Which I'm figuring was a feature of the add on. I've never used it so I can't say.
> > > Well we have had to deal with these things for years either way how has everyone forgotten this.. What did customers do before ARCDPS, i'm just saying its not a huge deal.
> > >
> >
> > Customers make arcdps because it takes too much time swaping gear for 40 seconds after each 3 minutes fight
>
> Well that really goes back to how silly some of this teamed content has become.. You know needing spend 40 mins to change gears just to do some virtual content says more about the insane content than the builds imo..
He said it takes 40 seconds to swap gear, not 40 minutes. Did you misread or mistype?
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> @"Dante.1508" said:
> > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > @"Dante.1508" said:
> > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > > > That is BS. Why Is it called templates if it cannot be saved????
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tell me hiw is it possible that someone could make templates as anaddon for free many years faster then anet and it worked 1000 times better?
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you mean by that? They can be saved.
> > > >
> > > > Lets say you open template number 2 on chrono. Then you swap weapon from focus to sword offhand because you dont need pull. That will overwrite that template so next tim I switch to it it will have sword and not focus.
> > > >
> > > > That would be fine IF i could have enough templates to save all variations but then i would need at least 30 on chrono. 6 is definitely not enough for this.
> > > >
> > >
> > > You do realise needing a whole new build just because you switched a sword out is a bit overkill right..
> >
> > I think he wants to be able to hit a button and swap the weapons out in a fractal when you need one for a more situational instance but need to swap back right after. Less time to get accidentally brought into combat if you just have to hit a keybind than if you have to open up your inventory/equipment panel and find the weapon to swap it out with. Which I'm figuring was a feature of the add on. I've never used it so I can't say.
> Well we have had to deal with these things for years either way how has everyone forgotten this.. What did customers do before ARCDPS, i'm just saying its not a huge deal.
>
Maybe not to us.
But many players did get used to it and make builds and play strategies off of what that add on allowed. Now they are being told that if they want to continue using build templates, that what it's currently capable of is very different and more limiting than what they were using. Which by itself may not have been a problem had ANet not had more templates be purchasable. Granted we don't know the amount it will cost or how many we'll get with a purchase as as of the Guild Chat they hadn't worked that out yet. But the equipment ones will be in line with other storage expandors since it does take items out of the inventory and increases what you can effectively carry from what was said in the chat.
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> @"Dante.1508" said:
> > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > @"Seera.5916" said:
> > > > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said:
> > > > That is BS. Why Is it called templates if it cannot be saved????
> > > >
> > > > Tell me hiw is it possible that someone could make templates as anaddon for free many years faster then anet and it worked 1000 times better?
> > >
> > > What do you mean by that? They can be saved.
> >
> > Lets say you open template number 2 on chrono. Then you swap weapon from focus to sword offhand because you dont need pull. That will overwrite that template so next tim I switch to it it will have sword and not focus.
> >
> > That would be fine IF i could have enough templates to save all variations but then i would need at least 30 on chrono. 6 is definitely not enough for this.
> >
>
> You do realise needing a whole new build just because you switched a sword out is a bit overkill right..
I think he wants to be able to hit a button and swap the weapons out in a fractal when you need one for a more situational instance but need to swap back right after. Less time to get accidentally brought into combat if you just have to hit a keybind than if you have to open up your inventory/equipment panel and find the weapon to swap it out with. Which I'm figuring was a feature of the add on. I've never used it so I can't say.
[Answered] Only 24 Builds account wide?
in Guild Wars 2 Discussion
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> @"Astralporing.1957" said:
> > @"Seera.5916" said:
> >
> > Those bytes add up and they do have to future proof things as well. Not to mention all of the other data being stored on their end.
> >
> > Not saying they are at the max due to that, but small things do add up.
> Look at the post above yours. With the pricing that was suggested, it would be enough for one person to buy full unlock for account and single character to finance storing all the builds for all the still active gw2 players.
>
That's an SSD. Not a server. Those likely have different pricing.
The above only counts for the storage needed by build templates and not for anything else that needs to be stored.
And if you noticed in my last line I did mention that I wasn't necessarily saying that they are at the max due to that, but small things add up and ANet can't ignore it and did likely factor it into their decision. Whether it's the limiting factor if it was the UI or keybinding issues, I don't know.