PvE : Why core Engi is so bad ?

[Orack.9756]

I've give up since many day on it. Even both E-spe was not fun enough to keep me in (but way better than core).

In the end of all my test, Mesmer & Thief are what appeal me the most core and their spe are amazingly fun to play.

 

@"yLoon.5289" "melting mob" is doable by anyone w/o effort and any build.

Doing HoT HP alone is another thing.

If you can solo balty avatar, Coztic, Chack in auric and so on, then go ahead and show me, I'm curious about it tbh.

But so far I was struggling hard for the 1st time to made them.

I've level up and farm e-spe ALONE, in any other class but rev (not up yet) and it's was sometime hard but doable. But engi ? Uuf..

 

@The boz.2038 Totally explained what's wrong with engi. Add to that the extreme lack of weapon diversity and it become boring and tedious.

 

 

[juno.1840]

If you're primarily using your weapons, instead of kits, then core-engi will feel horribly when leveling (although I do enjoy condi P/P to a degree). The same goes for underwater combat. I tried far too long to make speargun work before realizing I could use grenade kit or bomb kit underwater. Honestly bomb kit is the goto kit for most PvE as core-engi.

[Dixa.6017]

> @"Dawdler.8521" said:

> Is any other core build much better off in PvE? The meta is all PoF or HoT specs (which incidently include both holo and scrapper).

 

a power necro or condition necro core poops all over other core setups at end game, even core revenant. it can't die, and it's kill speed gets faster the more you understand the fights.

 

my experience doing a core necro, rev, engineer, ranger, mesmer in the last two weeks at 80.

[mov.1246]

PvE core engi is really bad compared to elite specs. Whatever core could do, elite does just better.

If you want to play relaxed and tanky, you go scrapper. Even if you only spam bombkit #1, scrapper is the spec you prefer because of the insane barrier gain.

If you want to max out your DPS, you go holo. Even condition builds are straigt better with holo.

There is no reason to play core engi except nostalgia.

This is sad, i always loved engi but i never liked the high-tech light and laser aesthetics of holosmith. It is kind of strange to holo mode with all that high-tech skills and then switch to kits with its rough look. Well this is really not important for gameplay, but it never felt "correct" to me.

[Wolfb.7025]

> @"Orack.9756" said:

> ^title.

> In core tyria it's "ok", but when you start HoT, uuuf, the worst experience I had with a class by far.

> I can't even solo most HP because the dps is so stupidly low than the time ran out...

 

This took my attention, i'm a holo main 9k+ hours playtime only on that class alone and I can't solo a HoT HP, lol

[Orack.9756]

> @"Wolfb.7025" said:

> > @"Orack.9756" said:

> > ^title.

> > In core tyria it's "ok", but when you start HoT, uuuf, the worst experience I had with a class by far.

> > I can't even solo most HP because the dps is so stupidly low than the time ran out...

>

> This took my attention, i'm a holo main 9k+ hours playtime only on that class alone and I can't solo a HoT HP, lol

 

Don't give up it's just about practice, Holo have enough tool to do it unlike the core spe, take time to look at boss atk and once you know them it will be easier to no wast an important skill and staying alive to kill it ^^

Avoid full zerk however, most HP in there will kill you if you're not a minimal tanky (marauder for exemple).

[Cleopatra.4068]

> @"Orack.9756" said:

> I've give up since many day on it. Even both E-spe was not fun enough to keep me in (but way better than core).

> In the end of all my test, Mesmer & Thief are what appeal me the most core and their spe are amazingly fun to play.

>

> @"yLoon.5289" "melting mob" is doable by anyone w/o effort and any build.

> Doing HoT HP alone is another thing.

> If you can solo balty avatar, Coztic, Chack in auric and so on, then go ahead and show me, I'm curious about it tbh.

> But so far I was struggling hard for the 1st time to made them.

> I've level up and farm e-spe ALONE, in any other class but rev (not up yet) and it's was sometime hard but doable. But engi ? Uuf..

>

> @The boz.2038 Totally explained what's wrong with engi. Add to that the extreme lack of weapon diversity and it become boring and tedious.

>

>

Leveling up core rev to get elite specs is easy. Core power rev can solo at least half the HoT skill points easily. I did it recently. I love engineer, but taking it into the expacs to try and get elite specs is awful. Needs a skill point train for sure. I’ve tried multiple core builds from metabattle, and none of it feels good outside core tyria. I’m in agreement, most of the other classes are much easier to farm elite specs on.

 

[Virdo.1540]

feeling scammed? For free to play content?

[Cleopatra.4068]

> @"Virdo.1540" said:

> feeling scammed? For free to play content?

 

It’s only free to play if you started playing after free to play became a thing. I paid for the content, 8 years ago, when it was buy to play. If you are farming elite specs, then you paid for an expansion.

[Dawdler.8521]

> @"Cleopatra.4068" said:

> I love engineer, but taking it into the expacs to try and get elite specs is awful. Needs a skill point train for sure.

... Or play WvW and instantly unlock any elite spec for heroics because its dirt cheap. The game is only as hard as you want to make it.

[Cleopatra.4068]

> @"Dawdler.8521" said:

> > @"Cleopatra.4068" said:

> > I love engineer, but taking it into the expacs to try and get elite specs is awful. Needs a skill point train for sure.

> ... Or play WvW and instantly unlock any elite spec for heroics because its dirt cheap. The game is only as hard as you want to make it.

 

If the modes didn’t have completely different skills, cool downs and damage, I might try that. The divided skills between modes are a huge deterrent for me. It took me ages to get to a decent level of skill in PvE, and taking an underpowered core build into a PvP environment with completely different specs for the skills I already learned so I can learn new specs to get skills to play in a different mode that will have different specs once I get them back there, all while being fodder for people who want quick kills is not something I’m interested in doing. I understand why the skills are different, but the bar is too high. I know some of you are MMO gods who know everything and don’t understand why carebears cannot just do everything the way you do it, blah blah blah. Good for you. It doesn’t help me.

[Bingus.4236]

I've levelled almost all my elite specs in WvW. it's very quick. Not even level 50 in the xp ranks (it goes into thousands) and I've levelled 6 elite specs with WvW heroics. It really is quick, I'm not a heavy player of this mode at all. Plus at the same time you are also getting lots of tomes of knowledge from reward tracks, which means you don't need to level extra chars to 80. The bar is really not high for joining WvW.

[Tiilimon.6094]

> @"Cleopatra.4068" said:

> > @"Dawdler.8521" said:

> > > @"Cleopatra.4068" said:

> > > I love engineer, but taking it into the expacs to try and get elite specs is awful. Needs a skill point train for sure.

> > ... Or play WvW and instantly unlock any elite spec for heroics because its dirt cheap. The game is only as hard as you want to make it.

>

> If the modes didn’t have completely different skills, cool downs and damage, I might try that. The divided skills between modes are a huge deterrent for me. It took me ages to get to a decent level of skill in PvE, and taking an underpowered core build into a PvP environment with completely different specs for the skills I already learned so I can learn new specs to get skills to play in a different mode that will have different specs once I get them back there, all while being fodder for people who want quick kills is not something I’m interested in doing. I understand why the skills are different, but the bar is too high. I know some of you are MMO gods who know everything and don’t understand why carebears cannot just do everything the way you do it, blah blah blah. Good for you. It doesn’t help me.

 

It's just like any other hobby, you gotta spend time training if you wish to get results.

And I'd suggest not to treat it like it's something serious, it's just a computer game after all.

 

99.9% of the players are in the same boat as you, we're all just fodder if we are put against the very best.

Most people really aren't very good at all, and are simply smashing buttons and following other people around the maps, and I'm definitely one of those :)

[Oxstar.7643]

I've played engineer since closed beta. I've watched it change and my conclusion is always the same - you need to really be good at stance dancing to get the most out of it. Not even elementalist have to do this because they have a cooldown on their element swaps and as such have to get their rotation out before changing elements. Engineers swap kits to use one or two skills then switch to something else. And back again. However - I am not sure it can compete with say warrior and revenant even in the best of hands. What makes me want to play it is because it's a very stimulating class because you have to constantly rotate and swap your weapons depending on the situation, and the better you are the more rewarded you are, and vice verse. It feels damn satisfying to make a whole group face plant with holo forge 5 and then send them careening with a big ol' bomb and then murder them piece meal with condis.

 

If there is anything I feel this class lacks it's answer to range. Turret shields sacrifices too much output and shield loses you massive condi due to no blowtorch and the anti-range is too long of a cooldown. Also, they severly need to improve turrets because what we have now is awful. They could copy TF2 and allow us to smack turrets with wrench to upgrade it. I'm hoping EoD gives a turret focused elite specc.

Anyways, core engie is not really an argument now because my experience is that elite speccs is a direct upgrade and not having them makes every class less.

[XenoSpyro.1780]

I main Engi. Saying it's bad is an overstatement. You just have to figure out a build that flows good for you, and it will usually involve Tools line. With some tweaks you can squeeze out some decent damage from Firearms/Explosives, or survivability through Alchemy. For context, I've never been kicked from fractals for low damage, and the one guy that DID complain? He switched to his holosmith and immediately got deleted multiple times on Shattered. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Oxstar.7643]

Yeah, that is a thing with engineer, you can crank out some pretty good damage, but you need to know what you are doing. Holosmith in particular, because you can kill yourself with overheating. And before someone says "every class is about knowing what you are doing", yes, but most classes do not have potentially 6 weapons to juggle.

[Nephalem.8921]

> @"XenoSpyro.1780" said:

> I main Engi. Saying it's bad is an overstatement. You just have to figure out a build that flows good for you, and it will usually involve Tools line. With some tweaks you can squeeze out some decent damage from Firearms/Explosives, or survivability through Alchemy. For context, I've never been kicked from fractals for low damage, and the one guy that DID complain? He switched to his holosmith and immediately got deleted multiple times on Shattered. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Are you joining cm groups though? Those groups would kick for sure. Power core engi kinda works but is far behind holo. like 30%-40% behind. Condi engi is completely fine dmg wise but almost nobody wants to play that. it has easily twice the apm of the 2nd most intense build. I hope engi gets a condi build with pof that doesnt cause carpal tunnel.

Core engi is extremely bad without kits. im not sure why it is not the profession mechanic. its unplayable to not use kits as core engi. the base weapons are extremely bad and lack auto attack dmg. grenades do more dmg than pistol on a condi build and they dont even cause condis. only interact with shrapnel.

[Jaruselka.5943]

roses are red

violets are blue

core engie is bad

and if you play it, you will be too

[yLoon.5289]

> @"Orack.9756" said:

> I've give up since many day on it. Even both E-spe was not fun enough to keep me in (but way better than core).

> In the end of all my test, Mesmer & Thief are what appeal me the most core and their spe are amazingly fun to play.

>

> @"yLoon.5289" "melting mob" is doable by anyone w/o effort and any build.

> Doing HoT HP alone is another thing.

> If you can solo balty avatar, Coztic, Chack in auric and so on, then go ahead and show me, I'm curious about it tbh.

> But so far I was struggling hard for the 1st time to made them.

> I've level up and farm e-spe ALONE, in any other class but rev (not up yet) and it's was sometime hard but doable. But engi ? Uuf..

>

> @The boz.2038 Totally explained what's wrong with engi. Add to that the extreme lack of weapon diversity and it become boring and tedious.

>

>

 

HoT HP is not meant for solo, some classes can complete it easier, especially Ranger with a Bear to hold aggro.

Everyone is struggling hard at the beginning of a Core Eng, same goes for me.

As I said, share your Build, so we can comment objectively.

DPS build of Core Eng is lackluster and boring, but Condi Build is fun, providing that you can play piano xD.

If you prefer to hit just a few buttons to kill a large group of mobs, then Guardian is more of your choice, not Core Engr.