zealex.9410 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 I personally dont raid or play anything as much anymore since i there isnt much to do anyways. The trailer was good and the mount alone will make me log in and check things but like i really expected a raids since alot of my friends who mainly raid have been running bored. Also here's hoping for a fractal cm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grogba.6204 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Daybreak didn't showcase the Raid _nor_ the Fractal either. We won't know until tuesday (or until leaked footage) if episode 3 comes with a new raidwing or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowmoon.7986 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 The press release for daybreak mentioned the new raid and the fractal. The trailer did not include an feature list like the last two. Until told otherwise, I am 99% sure there will be no new raid next week cause it is not included in the feature list in the trailer or press release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blocki.4931 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Ep. 4 won't take 4 months to release, so let's hope it's in that one or a side release in between (pls do that anet ty) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubySzymek.1362 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Looks like raids get enough attention for their popularity. As to be expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddoctor.2738 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Well before we got Hall of Chains they gave us the little "teasers" about the red lady, the necromancers and the shadows. I expect this episode to have something similar teasing the upcoming Raid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynn.1659 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 > @"Grogba.6204" said: > Daybreak didn't showcase the Raid _nor_ the Fractal either. We won't know until tuesday (or until leaked footage) if episode 3 comes with a new raidwing or not. Daybreak didn't have 'fancy new marketing" trailers. They would slap it into this trailer if they planned to release it. You just don't go out of your way to make new fancy trailers just to leave out part of the update from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grogba.6204 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 > @"Cynn.1659" said: > Daybreak didn't have 'fancy new marketing" trailers. They would slap it into this trailer if they planned to release it. You just don't go out of your way to make new fancy trailers just to leave out part of the update from it. I would agree with you if A-Net's marketing wouldn't be "hit or miss". Remember AHHHHHHH from PoF marketing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaeys.3102 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 If they are committed to designing raids for a niche audience, then they need to be treated as niche. Their primary effort needs to remain on the parts of the game developed for larger audiences. We received the last raid wing only two LS chapters ago. I know it isnt what some want to hear (and something I will likely be lambasted for here in the raiding subforum), but it is way too early for a new raid wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubySzymek.1362 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 > @"Grogba.6204" said: > > @"Cynn.1659" said: > > Daybreak didn't have 'fancy new marketing" trailers. They would slap it into this trailer if they planned to release it. You just don't go out of your way to make new fancy trailers just to leave out part of the update from it. > > I would agree with you if A-Net's marketing wouldn't be "hit or miss". Remember AHHHHHHH from PoF marketing? If they advertised new fractal they would absolutely advertise new raid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JokerM.6021 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 No new raid is just disappointing. 7 months since last raid wing... And I'll bet that fractal is not gonna have CM either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grogba.6204 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 > @"JokerM.6021" said: > \No new raid is just disappointing. 7 months since last raid wing... It's okay, now we can use our infinte development ressources to add "eazy modes" because the content is just impossible to solo /s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JokerM.6021 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 > @"Grogba.6204" said: > > @"JokerM.6021" said: > > \No new raid is just disappointing. 7 months since last raid wing... > > It's okay, now we can use our infinte development ressources to add "eazy modes" because the content is just impossible to solo /s Raids in GW2 are easy mode, basically 10 man dungeons. If they ever brought out "easy mode" I would quit this game. The casuals already have most of the game to play, let the tryhards have at least one niche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turin.6921 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 The release schedule is too long at this point...Even for a niche mode like raiding. They did promise that they want to focus on delivering content more often (than the 8 months between w4 and w5) yet if there is no wing coming soon they do not seem to be able to follow up on that. An update on the development is warranted by now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malediktus.9250 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 > @"Turin.6921" said: > The release schedule is too long at this point...Even for a niche mode like raiding. They did promise that they want to focus on delivering content more often (than the 8 months between w4 and w5) yet if there is no wing coming soon they do not seem to be able to follow up on that. An update on the development is warranted by now... Indeed, especially if they consider 1 easy boss, 2 events and 1 hard boss a complete raid wing. This release speed would only be acceptable if each wing had like 8 real bosses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyson.5160 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 > @"Blaeys.3102" said: > If they are committed to designing raids for a niche audience, then they need to be treated as niche. Their primary effort needs to remain on the parts of the game developed for larger audiences. > > We received the last raid wing only two LS chapters ago. I know it isnt what some want to hear (and something I will likely be lambasted for here in the raiding subforum), but it is way too early for a new raid wing. The thing with niche content is that you have to take the negative with the positive. It’s niche, so only a certain demographic of people will play it, which means that they can’t throw a lot of resources at it like LW. Unfortunately people keep saying this content isn’t for everyone, which is exactly the reason the raid community has to wait for it’s content. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyson.5160 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 > @"JokerM.6021" said: > > @"Grogba.6204" said: > > > @"JokerM.6021" said: > > > \No new raid is just disappointing. 7 months since last raid wing... > > > > It's okay, now we can use our infinte development ressources to add "eazy modes" because the content is just impossible to solo /s > > Raids in GW2 are easy mode, basically 10 man dungeons. If they ever brought out "easy mode" I would quit this game. The casuals already have most of the game to play, let the tryhards have at least one niche Yup and that is why you must wait for your content, it’s niche. Edit: if it wasn’t niche and Anet wanted everyone to get in there, a new raid would have more resources and probably have release cadence similar to Fractals. It has been explained that people don’t want this, so you must wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xantaria.8726 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 > @"Tyson.5160" said: > > @"JokerM.6021" said: > > > @"Grogba.6204" said: > > > > @"JokerM.6021" said: > > > > \No new raid is just disappointing. 7 months since last raid wing... > > > > > > It's okay, now we can use our infinte development ressources to add "eazy modes" because the content is just impossible to solo /s > > > > Raids in GW2 are easy mode, basically 10 man dungeons. If they ever brought out "easy mode" I would quit this game. The casuals already have most of the game to play, let the tryhards have at least one niche > > Yup and that is why you must wait for your content, it’s niche. > > Edit: if it wasn’t niche and Anet wanted everyone to get in there, a new raid would have more resources and probably have release cadence similar to Fractals. It has been explained that people don’t want this, so you must wait. Wouldnt be a problem if anet wouldnt have promised to not take as long for the next as last time, which well it would when they dont bring sth soon. Dont have a problem with waiting, but the complain is justified when anet is going back on his word. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyson.5160 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 > @"Xantaria.8726" said: > > @"Tyson.5160" said: > > > @"JokerM.6021" said: > > > > @"Grogba.6204" said: > > > > > @"JokerM.6021" said: > > > > > \No new raid is just disappointing. 7 months since last raid wing... > > > > > > > > It's okay, now we can use our infinte development ressources to add "eazy modes" because the content is just impossible to solo /s > > > > > > Raids in GW2 are easy mode, basically 10 man dungeons. If they ever brought out "easy mode" I would quit this game. The casuals already have most of the game to play, let the tryhards have at least one niche > > > > Yup and that is why you must wait for your content, it’s niche. > > > > Edit: if it wasn’t niche and Anet wanted everyone to get in there, a new raid would have more resources and probably have release cadence similar to Fractals. It has been explained that people don’t want this, so you must wait. > > Wouldnt be a problem if anet wouldnt have promised to not take as long for the next as last time, which well it would when they dont bring sth soon. > Dont have a problem with waiting, but the complain is justified when anet is going back on his word. :P No real surprise though, it’s a small team, if they run into problem it screws up the rest of development, except they don’t have the resources if something goes wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astralporing.1957 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 > @"Xantaria.8726" said: > Wouldnt be a problem if anet wouldnt have promised to not take as long for the next as last time Then you can rest assured. They _didn't_. They merely said they'll try not to take as long next time. They never promised they definitely _will_. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malediktus.9250 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 > @"Xantaria.8726" said: > > @"Tyson.5160" said: > > > @"JokerM.6021" said: > > > > @"Grogba.6204" said: > > > > > @"JokerM.6021" said: > > > > > \No new raid is just disappointing. 7 months since last raid wing... > > > > > > > > It's okay, now we can use our infinte development ressources to add "eazy modes" because the content is just impossible to solo /s > > > > > > Raids in GW2 are easy mode, basically 10 man dungeons. If they ever brought out "easy mode" I would quit this game. The casuals already have most of the game to play, let the tryhards have at least one niche > > > > Yup and that is why you must wait for your content, it’s niche. > > > > Edit: if it wasn’t niche and Anet wanted everyone to get in there, a new raid would have more resources and probably have release cadence similar to Fractals. It has been explained that people don’t want this, so you must wait. > > Wouldnt be a problem if anet wouldnt have promised to not take as long for the next as last time, which well it would when they dont bring sth soon. > Dont have a problem with waiting, but the complain is justified when anet is going back on his word. :P Should have learned long ago, that any promise Anet (or intention they share) makes has close to 0 value I can think of a dozen or more of "promises" they made before the actual realease of the game that never got fulfilled and the list just got longer every year the game is going on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyson.5160 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 > @"Malediktus.9250" said: > > @"Xantaria.8726" said: > > > @"Tyson.5160" said: > > > > @"JokerM.6021" said: > > > > > @"Grogba.6204" said: > > > > > > @"JokerM.6021" said: > > > > > > \No new raid is just disappointing. 7 months since last raid wing... > > > > > > > > > > It's okay, now we can use our infinte development ressources to add "eazy modes" because the content is just impossible to solo /s > > > > > > > > Raids in GW2 are easy mode, basically 10 man dungeons. If they ever brought out "easy mode" I would quit this game. The casuals already have most of the game to play, let the tryhards have at least one niche > > > > > > Yup and that is why you must wait for your content, it’s niche. > > > > > > Edit: if it wasn’t niche and Anet wanted everyone to get in there, a new raid would have more resources and probably have release cadence similar to Fractals. It has been explained that people don’t want this, so you must wait. > > > > Wouldnt be a problem if anet wouldnt have promised to not take as long for the next as last time, which well it would when they dont bring sth soon. > > Dont have a problem with waiting, but the complain is justified when anet is going back on his word. :P > > Should have learned long ago, that any promise Anet (or intention they share) makes has close to 0 value > I can think of a dozen or more of "promises" they made before the actual realease of the game that never got fulfilled and the list just got longer every year the game is going on If I recall the quote it was left in a gray area as to not give people’s hopes up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrizzFreston.5290 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Well the original quote read: > "We are planning to release raids with more regularity this season." - Jason 6 months ago That is not sounding like a promise to me, but I guess people would want it to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbobpataki.4796 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 > @"Tyson.5160" said: > > @"JokerM.6021" said: > > > @"Grogba.6204" said: > > > > @"JokerM.6021" said: > > > > \No new raid is just disappointing. 7 months since last raid wing... > > > > > > It's okay, now we can use our infinte development ressources to add "eazy modes" because the content is just impossible to solo /s > > > > Raids in GW2 are easy mode, basically 10 man dungeons. If they ever brought out "easy mode" I would quit this game. The casuals already have most of the game to play, let the tryhards have at least one niche > > Yup and that is why you must wait for your content, it’s niche. > > Edit: if it wasn’t niche and Anet wanted everyone to get in there, a new raid would have more resources and probably have release cadence similar to Fractals. It has been explained that people don’t want this, so you must wait. Just curious if you can point me in the right direction where anet said that. Anet says a lot of stuff, hard for me to keep track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaeys.3102 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 > @"bigbobpataki.4796" said: > > @"Tyson.5160" said: > > > @"JokerM.6021" said: > > > > @"Grogba.6204" said: > > > > > @"JokerM.6021" said: > > > > > \No new raid is just disappointing. 7 months since last raid wing... > > > > > > > > It's okay, now we can use our infinte development ressources to add "eazy modes" because the content is just impossible to solo /s > > > > > > Raids in GW2 are easy mode, basically 10 man dungeons. If they ever brought out "easy mode" I would quit this game. The casuals already have most of the game to play, let the tryhards have at least one niche > > > > Yup and that is why you must wait for your content, it’s niche. > > > > Edit: if it wasn’t niche and Anet wanted everyone to get in there, a new raid would have more resources and probably have release cadence similar to Fractals. It has been explained that people don’t want this, so you must wait. > > Just curious if you can point me in the right direction where anet said that. Anet says a lot of stuff, hard for me to keep track While Anet has specifically said they currently do not design raids for people of all skill levels (I believe those were the exact words), the heavier argument that they are niche content comes from the raiders posting on these forums. All you have to do is look at any thread where someone talks about the accessibility of raids in GW2. Once the topic is broached, the next 4-5 responses are invariably "well, raiding isn't for your" or "raiding is designed for XYZ style player" or, the worst of them all, "people just have to change how they play if they want to raid." Those are the definition of niche. You cannot say that raids are only for a smaller percentage of the player base and then turn around and expect a cadence on par - or even close to on par - with the rest of the game. The game mode simply doesn't warrant the same schedule of changes/new content as open world or something like WvW. By necessity - given their current approach and the community desire that raids be somewhat exclusive/niche - it warrants a smaller team and less emphasis in the game itself. I know that isn't what some want to hear (and I am shocked I haven't been jumped on already for saying so above), but GW2 isn't a raiding game. There are plenty of those out there. Raiding is supplemental, at best, to the GW2 experience. If Anet were to ever move to actually change that - to significantly increase the output of raids and integrate the experience into the greater game experience - they would have to address the playstyle and skill accessibility issue, something they have indicated they do not plan to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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