Boysenberry.1869 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Skeletons are different because of biology. More options is a good thing but a request as presented in the OP would need to be considered before the game finishes development. It is far too late for this now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blocki.4931 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 > @"Staynair.8073" said: > > @"Dante.1763" said: > > > @"Staynair.8073" said: > > > Good Lord. Programmatically I would think that male and female avatars are the same. So why split the customization of the avatar when you could just let the user decide. There would be more choices (combining the male and female) at each point in the customization steps, but it shouldn't matter to the underlying code. > > > > No, they arent. When it comes to 3d modeling male and females at least in the programs ive used have different skeletons entirely, and we know in this game that male and females *do* have different skeletons, therefore they cannot do it, and even if they could i would they didnt. > > I wonder why the skeletons are different? I would figure they were the same and the difference would be in size. Are the skeletons (between male and female) different for each race? Since this is a game, what do you gain by having two skeletons. Wouldn't that add complexity and cost to the development? In case you haven't noticed, but in order to reproduce male and female have to come together one way or another. That goes for all complex life forms, with a few exceptions where the roles might be reversed, but still exist (sea horses come to mind). What they gained was realism and the ability for players to immerse themselves better, because it's a direct parallel to real life. The different skeleton exists for different animations and armor being gender specific. You either don't have this from the start or you keep going with it forever, simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante.1763 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 > @"Staynair.8073" said: > > @"Dante.1763" said: > > > @"Staynair.8073" said: > > > Good Lord. Programmatically I would think that male and female avatars are the same. So why split the customization of the avatar when you could just let the user decide. There would be more choices (combining the male and female) at each point in the customization steps, but it shouldn't matter to the underlying code. > > > > No, they arent. When it comes to 3d modeling male and females at least in the programs ive used have different skeletons entirely, and we know in this game that male and females *do* have different skeletons, therefore they cannot do it, and even if they could i would they didnt. > > I wonder why the skeletons are different? I would figure they were the same and the difference would be in size. Are the skeletons (between male and female) different for each race? Since this is a game, what do you gain by having two skeletons. Wouldn't that add complexity and cost to the development? They are different as stated by the post below yours, because of biology, male and female skeletons irl are different as well. More than likely if some archeologist in the future uncovered my skeleton theyd say i was male. And yes, they are different per race. They gained realism and immersion which i highly enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amaranthe.3578 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 What the..... Huh? I really dont understand the question....you are role playing a character, the gender of a character is an aspect of said character... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sithis.3564 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Because there are two genders? I don't understand the point of this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maikimaik.1974 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Because Tyrian humans are modeled after real life humans. While I don't believe in a binary gender system, it's a scientific fact that there are 2 sexes: male and female. Nobody stops you from roleplaying a non-binary character, but not having a biological gender (sex) would be almost impossible to design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scud.5067 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 1: The game character can a proxy for the player within the game world. Being able to choose a gender your associate with can help the player project onto the game character and in so doing, better connect with their play experience when operating the game character within the game world. 2: Building on Point 1, enabling people to customize characters has been studied and shown to promote emergent narratives. Long story in a nutshell short, how you or I think and connect the events of play experience can build our own personal narratives, ones that the designers did not create. Edit 3: There's also a whole package of tropes that digital games have picked up from their pen and paper cousins/ancestors, which are often included because designers and players associate certain elements with 'a role playing game'. Making a character, including choosing their gender, is part of this legacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sokeenoppa.5384 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 There are 2 genders (male and female) coz in gw2 universe there are only 2 genders.. simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanity Obscure.6054 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Playable characters are based on humanized characteristics. Humankind has two genders at a chromosomal level (and variants of those two genders when mutations occur.) Those two chromosomal genders create their respective unique hormones that design them through puberty to have unique features from the other gender. Everything from there is where you come in and you have your choice, both in this game and in real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowmoon.7986 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Humans, asurans, norn and char are all mammals, so they have two biological sexes that express themself as a given gender with over .9 correlation. Honestly anet dropped with ball with sylvari. They could be mono gender like most plants. Or even more radical, more than two genders, similar to mushrooms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staynair.8073 Posted November 3, 2018 Author Share Posted November 3, 2018 I apparently am not good at wording my questions. This has nothing to do with real life or role playing in the game. My question does not remove anyone's ability to customize their character as they wish and to role play as they wish. During character creation why force the user to pick gender and then limit them to certain choices? My limited programming experience would tell me that the underlying programming would be the same for either one. Some have said that the skeleton's are different, but this isn't real life so why should they be different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayakaru.6583 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 I dont get the question? You want the option removed and have some class/race combinations forced to be male or female? Or is this about identifying as an asuran Golem or a Charr siege engine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catchyfx.5768 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 That's how it arrived here. wuf. Common sense, hold on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laila Lightness.8742 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 > @"Staynair.8073" said: > I apparently am not good at wording my questions. This has nothing to do with real life or role playing in the game. My question does not remove anyone's ability to customize their character as they wish and to role play as they wish. During character creation why force the user to pick gender and then limit them to certain choices? My limited programming experience would tell me that the underlying programming would be the same for either one. Some have said that the skeleton's are different, but this isn't real life so why should they be different? For diffrent animation nodes due to shapes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithranArkanere.8957 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Because the game setting is a world similar to ours, but that has developed in a different way because of magic. Humans and other sentient creatures have genders in the game because the only creatures we know with that level of sentience, humans, also have them. We understand all aspects of our lives through that lens. > @"Staynair.8073" said: > I apparently am not good at wording my questions. This has nothing to do with real life or role playing in the game. My question does not remove anyone's ability to customize their character as they wish and to role play as they wish. During character creation why force the user to pick gender and then limit them to certain choices? My limited programming experience would tell me that the underlying programming would be the same for either one. Some have said that the skeleton's are different, but this isn't real life so why should they be different? Oh. Its likely because it's easy on the system. When switching skins and the like it's easier to stick to a small set. If they allowed to freely change race and gender from the wardrobe there would be more to load while switching. Different models use different rigs too. And it's also a source of income since one has to use a Total Makeover Kit to change the character's apparent gender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 > @"Staynair.8073" said: > I apparently am not good at wording my questions. This has nothing to do with real life or role playing in the game. My question does not remove anyone's ability to customize their character as they wish and to role play as they wish. During character creation why force the user to pick gender and then limit them to certain choices? My limited programming experience would tell me that the underlying programming would be the same for either one. Some have said that the skeleton's are different, but this isn't real life so why should they be different? It has everything to do with real life and roleplaying. You can roleplay whatever you want but you're still gonna have to create your character as one of the basic genders. End of story. I find this thread pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aspirine.6852 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 It's for the clothes and costumes. Dresses for women and the rest for men :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusanyu.4057 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 esthetics unless your asura than it is pick your voice actor and your pool of Faces /Hair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zychuu.7294 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > No doubt the OP thinks the chars should be floating points of light, with weapons. After all, why have different species or genders when you can be a point of light. Now I want playable Exalted characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaraki.5784 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 > @"Staynair.8073" said: > lol, you can still allow the user to pick all the choices they have now without picking gender. Maybe you want a more "feminine voice" with a more "Male body". If I want my character to have boobs, how am I supposed to do that without choosing a gender? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsa.3951 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 nice troll post :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sostronk.8167 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Here come the Cultural Marxists with their garbage. I can't wait until we start giving out free helicopter rides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotera.1254 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 > @"Staynair.8073" said: > So this may seem stupid, but I was thinking "What is the purpose of gender in a computer game?" There is no difference in what the avatar can do based on its gender so why have it? You can still personalize the way the avatar looks without having to choose a gender. Actually, I am not sure about this game because I have never really looked into it. In another game that I used to play gender did make a difference. I had a friend that had a male character. He was a guy so he made a guy. After about 3 years of playing it his new Guild talked him into switching genders. Imagine his surprise when he realized that some of his skill animations were faster with his new female then they were with his male. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aktium.9506 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 because females have two xx chromosomes and males have one x chromosome and one y chromosome in the real world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orimidu.9604 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Because when the game was designed in 2011-2012 the huge gender spectrum wasn't a prevailing topic in society. The fact that it's only recently become a phenomenon should be telling. In fact, game development in general still isn't tuned to the idea of gender being a spectrum because not only would it be more difficult and financially costly to program in some cases, it's a philosophy that hasn't been accepted by the majority of society. Compare it to Galileo asserting that the solar system is heliocentric--the Earth revolves around the Sun, not the reverse. His ideas weren't widely accepted until science backed it up. In the gender spectrum debate, science has done the opposite, and so you begin to see the term "gender" being differentiated from "sex" unnecessarily so that those who do wish to support the idea of a spectrum can do so while ignoring scientific reasoning. As an observer to the debate (while personally siding with science), it's quite interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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