Bish.8627 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 I absolutely loved EOTM. I leveled 3 characters to 80 there, one of which is a main now. At the same time you had some mild WvW that wasn't plagued by meta builds and blobs, I mean I ran around on a below gear and level Thief actually having fights. It was mindless fun following a commander around and really relaxing. I always wished they would enhance it to have pips but weaker rewards, so it could become some sort of tutorial WvW, kinda being like casual then WvW being ranked. I still miss it now, following a commander around is quite relaxing, things like RIBA and Istan are just not the same, without the added possibility of running into another team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crius.5487 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 The original intent of EotM was to give players a WvW like experience while waiting in queue for WvW. With that said, the current state of WvW should answer the OP's question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crepuscular.9047 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 > @"oOStaticOo.9467" said: > Put Pips rewards in EOTM. Just make them a little bit slower or harder to get than WvW. Some people enjoy the EOTM map more than the WvW maps. Some people prefer the fighting from WvW more than EOTM. Overall I think it would balance out those that are serious about WvW and those that just want to have fun and get rewards. Heck it might even balance out the servers that want fights vs. servers that just want to karma train so you get more fight guilds vs. fight guilds. forget pips, give us Box of WvW Supplies as reward in EotM and you will see hordes of players back in to farm for wxp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceKhaled.5104 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 > @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said: > > @"Jeknar.6184" said: > > Pip rewards killed EotM > > ^ This Agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrilana.1396 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 > @"crepuscular.9047" said: > > @"oOStaticOo.9467" said: > > Put Pips rewards in EOTM. Just make them a little bit slower or harder to get than WvW. Some people enjoy the EOTM map more than the WvW maps. Some people prefer the fighting from WvW more than EOTM. Overall I think it would balance out those that are serious about WvW and those that just want to have fun and get rewards. Heck it might even balance out the servers that want fights vs. servers that just want to karma train so you get more fight guilds vs. fight guilds. > > forget pips, give us Box of WvW Supplies as reward in EotM and you will see hordes of players back in to farm for wxp Which would bring back the original issue with that map where players were farming it rather than actually doing WvW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltekka.2375 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > @"crepuscular.9047" said: > > > @"oOStaticOo.9467" said: > > > Put Pips rewards in EOTM. Just make them a little bit slower or harder to get than WvW. Some people enjoy the EOTM map more than the WvW maps. Some people prefer the fighting from WvW more than EOTM. Overall I think it would balance out those that are serious about WvW and those that just want to have fun and get rewards. Heck it might even balance out the servers that want fights vs. servers that just want to karma train so you get more fight guilds vs. fight guilds. > > > > forget pips, give us Box of WvW Supplies as reward in EotM and you will see hordes of players back in to farm for wxp > > Which would bring back the original issue with that map where players were farming it rather than actually doing WvW. This. Precisely this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayra.7405 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 > @"Voltekka.2375" said: > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > @"crepuscular.9047" said: > > > > @"oOStaticOo.9467" said: > > > > Put Pips rewards in EOTM. Just make them a little bit slower or harder to get than WvW. Some people enjoy the EOTM map more than the WvW maps. Some people prefer the fighting from WvW more than EOTM. Overall I think it would balance out those that are serious about WvW and those that just want to have fun and get rewards. Heck it might even balance out the servers that want fights vs. servers that just want to karma train so you get more fight guilds vs. fight guilds. > > > > > > forget pips, give us Box of WvW Supplies as reward in EotM and you will see hordes of players back in to farm for wxp > > > > Which would bring back the original issue with that map where players were farming it rather than actually doing WvW. > > This. Precisely this. And? Why is this problem? Why should all play as you are "doing WvW"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Israel.7056 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 No pips no bunnies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelto.9364 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 EotM map looks nice in any case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltekka.2375 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 > @"Dayra.7405" said: > > @"Voltekka.2375" said: > > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > > @"crepuscular.9047" said: > > > > > @"oOStaticOo.9467" said: > > > > > Put Pips rewards in EOTM. Just make them a little bit slower or harder to get than WvW. Some people enjoy the EOTM map more than the WvW maps. Some people prefer the fighting from WvW more than EOTM. Overall I think it would balance out those that are serious about WvW and those that just want to have fun and get rewards. Heck it might even balance out the servers that want fights vs. servers that just want to karma train so you get more fight guilds vs. fight guilds. > > > > > > > > forget pips, give us Box of WvW Supplies as reward in EotM and you will see hordes of players back in to farm for wxp > > > > > > Which would bring back the original issue with that map where players were farming it rather than actually doing WvW. > > > > This. Precisely this. > > And? Why is this problem? Why should all play as you are "doing WvW"? You got plenty of pve maps to grind mindlessy, bud. You dont need a wvw pve map to get the wvw shinies, too. Play the mode or dont get them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loosmaster.8263 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 > @"oOStaticOo.9467" said: > Put Pips rewards in EOTM. Just make them a little bit slower or harder to get than WvW. Some people enjoy the EOTM map more than the WvW maps. Some people prefer the fighting from WvW more than EOTM. Overall I think it would balance out those that are serious about WvW and those that just want to have fun and get rewards. Heck it might even balance out the servers that want fights vs. servers that just want to karma train so you get more fight guilds vs. fight guilds. I have no problems with pips in EotM if **participation is soley increased by player kills only!!!** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Israel.7056 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 > @"Voltekka.2375" said: > You got plenty of pve maps to grind mindlessy, bud. You dont need a wvw pve map to get the wvw shinies, too. Play the mode or dont get them. My thoughts exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalisto.5780 Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > Which would bring back the original issue with that map where players were farming it rather than actually doing WvW. There's nobody in eotm, and wvw still empty. So it's the game mode design fault not eotm's. > > > @"Voltekka.2375" said: > > And? Why is this problem? Why should all play as you are "doing WvW"? > > You got plenty of pve maps to grind mindlessy, bud. You dont need a wvw pve map to get the wvw shinies, too. Play the mode or dont get them. Most ppl in eotm were uplevers or ktrain ppl, they weren't farming "wvw shinnies". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltekka.2375 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 > @"Khalisto.5780" said: > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > Which would bring back the original issue with that map where players were farming it rather than actually doing WvW. > > There's nobody in eotm, and wvw still empty. So it's the game mode design fault not eotm's. > > > > > > @"Voltekka.2375" said: > > > > And? Why is this problem? Why should all play as you are "doing WvW"? > > > > You got plenty of pve maps to grind mindlessy, bud. You dont need a wvw pve map to get the wvw shinies, too. Play the mode or dont get them. > > Most ppl in eotm were uplevers or ktrain ppl, they weren't farming "wvw shinnies". > > WvW ranks (the only available wvw reward back then) were farmed in eotm by the thousands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiny Doom.4380 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Convert EotM to a PvE map. problem solved. Also, which WvW is this that people play where the maps are all empty out of prime time? Is it the same one where the main problem is blobs and zerging and where no-one roams in gangs of less than ten? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crepuscular.9047 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > @"crepuscular.9047" said: > > > @"oOStaticOo.9467" said: > > > Put Pips rewards in EOTM. Just make them a little bit slower or harder to get than WvW. Some people enjoy the EOTM map more than the WvW maps. Some people prefer the fighting from WvW more than EOTM. Overall I think it would balance out those that are serious about WvW and those that just want to have fun and get rewards. Heck it might even balance out the servers that want fights vs. servers that just want to karma train so you get more fight guilds vs. fight guilds. > > > > forget pips, give us Box of WvW Supplies as reward in EotM and you will see hordes of players back in to farm for wxp > > Which would bring back the original issue with that map where players were farming it rather than actually doing WvW. Once again being negative dont see how it would split the player base? as each mode offers different rewards. **EBG and BL** = Pips (Tickets and shards) and Quicker Reward Tracks **EotM** = Box of WvW Supplies (Liquid WXP, EXP Booster, free Seige schematics and food, all the stuffs to prep you for wvw battle :wink: ) and Slower Reward Track, PLUS it is supporting WvW through supply drops at home citadel; and Anet can throw in WvW duelling Arena so they can stop taking up space when there's 30+ ppl stuck in the queue trying to get in EBG and BL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayra.7405 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 > @"Voltekka.2375" said: > > @"Dayra.7405" said: > > > @"Voltekka.2375" said: > > > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > > > @"crepuscular.9047" said: > > > > > > @"oOStaticOo.9467" said: > > > > > > Put Pips rewards in EOTM. Just make them a little bit slower or harder to get than WvW. Some people enjoy the EOTM map more than the WvW maps. Some people prefer the fighting from WvW more than EOTM. Overall I think it would balance out those that are serious about WvW and those that just want to have fun and get rewards. Heck it might even balance out the servers that want fights vs. servers that just want to karma train so you get more fight guilds vs. fight guilds. > > > > > > > > > > forget pips, give us Box of WvW Supplies as reward in EotM and you will see hordes of players back in to farm for wxp > > > > > > > > Which would bring back the original issue with that map where players were farming it rather than actually doing WvW. > > > > > > This. Precisely this. > > > > And? Why is this problem? Why should all play as you are "doing WvW"? > > You got plenty of pve maps to grind mindlessy, bud. You dont need a wvw pve map to get the wvw shinies, too. Play the mode or dont get them. I don’t anymore, and i miss it less and less. As wvw turned into a 1-hit festival with auto-targeting i am back to shooter games, where at least you have to target yourself for a 1-Hit headshoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltekka.2375 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 > @"Dayra.7405" said: > > @"Voltekka.2375" said: > > > @"Dayra.7405" said: > > > > @"Voltekka.2375" said: > > > > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > > > > @"crepuscular.9047" said: > > > > > > > @"oOStaticOo.9467" said: > > > > > > > Put Pips rewards in EOTM. Just make them a little bit slower or harder to get than WvW. Some people enjoy the EOTM map more than the WvW maps. Some people prefer the fighting from WvW more than EOTM. Overall I think it would balance out those that are serious about WvW and those that just want to have fun and get rewards. Heck it might even balance out the servers that want fights vs. servers that just want to karma train so you get more fight guilds vs. fight guilds. > > > > > > > > > > > > forget pips, give us Box of WvW Supplies as reward in EotM and you will see hordes of players back in to farm for wxp > > > > > > > > > > Which would bring back the original issue with that map where players were farming it rather than actually doing WvW. > > > > > > > > This. Precisely this. > > > > > > And? Why is this problem? Why should all play as you are "doing WvW"? > > > > You got plenty of pve maps to grind mindlessy, bud. You dont need a wvw pve map to get the wvw shinies, too. Play the mode or dont get them. > > I don’t anymore, and i miss it less and less. As wvw turned into a 1-hit festival with auto-targeting i am back to shooter games, where at least you have to target yourself for a 1-Hit headshoot. So... Because you think wvw is a 1-hit festival, you want to turn eotm into a 1-1-1 grindfest with full rewards? What sense does this even make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayra.7405 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Hm maybe your right and EotM would today as bad as wvw, and it was just better in my memory, which is older as it dead now since a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subversiontwo.7501 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 The people who reminisce about "the good old days of EotM" forget one extremely important thing. Everyone else had already decided that the map was far too easy to exploit to the point where fighting on the map (as intended) was not fun for anyone. If people had stayed around to play that WvW map as a WvW map the experience of every k-train enthusiast would have been equally poor or even more so because inexperienced players would have been even more susceptible to the exploits. If the map had been littered with eg., "pull" Mesmers in force there would have been no k-train. Then the map would have returned to not be fun, for anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrilana.1396 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 > @"crepuscular.9047" said: > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > @"crepuscular.9047" said: > > > > @"oOStaticOo.9467" said: > > > > Put Pips rewards in EOTM. Just make them a little bit slower or harder to get than WvW. Some people enjoy the EOTM map more than the WvW maps. Some people prefer the fighting from WvW more than EOTM. Overall I think it would balance out those that are serious about WvW and those that just want to have fun and get rewards. Heck it might even balance out the servers that want fights vs. servers that just want to karma train so you get more fight guilds vs. fight guilds. > > > > > > forget pips, give us Box of WvW Supplies as reward in EotM and you will see hordes of players back in to farm for wxp > > > > Which would bring back the original issue with that map where players were farming it rather than actually doing WvW. > > Once again being negative > > dont see how it would split the player base? as each mode offers different rewards. > > **EBG and BL** = Pips (Tickets and shards) and Quicker Reward Tracks > **EotM** = Box of WvW Supplies (Liquid WXP, EXP Booster, free Seige schematics and food, all the stuffs to prep you for wvw battle :wink: ) and Slower Reward Track, PLUS it is supporting WvW through supply drops at home citadel; and Anet can throw in WvW duelling Arena so they can stop taking up space when there's 30+ ppl stuck in the queue trying to get in EBG and BL Supply drops are inconsequential. All of the items that don’t give WXP can be obtained from that portable merchant in exchange for badges. A WvW player will obtain more than enough badges from playing WvW to sustain purchases from this. PvE players have enough farm maps. If you really believe that EotM should over boxes of WvW supplies then their should be diminishing returns or some other system in place to prevent farming. This way if players want to obtain those then they actually will have to defend assets too just like in any other WvW map. > @"Khalisto.5780" said: > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > Which would bring back the original issue with that map where players were farming it rather than actually doing WvW. > > There's nobody in eotm, and wvw still empty. So it's the game mode design fault not eotm's. Doesn’t matter as EotM isn’t meant to be another PvE farm map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPanda.1872 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 WvW is modern day eotm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Despond.2174 Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 No pips = no people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalisto.5780 Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 > @"ThunderPanda.1872" said: > WvW is modern day eotm. except it's not fun, and a lot emptier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celsith.2753 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 > @"crepuscular.9047" said: > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said: > > > @"crepuscular.9047" said: > > > > @"oOStaticOo.9467" said: > > > > Put Pips rewards in EOTM. Just make them a little bit slower or harder to get than WvW. Some people enjoy the EOTM map more than the WvW maps. Some people prefer the fighting from WvW more than EOTM. Overall I think it would balance out those that are serious about WvW and those that just want to have fun and get rewards. Heck it might even balance out the servers that want fights vs. servers that just want to karma train so you get more fight guilds vs. fight guilds. > > > > > > forget pips, give us Box of WvW Supplies as reward in EotM and you will see hordes of players back in to farm for wxp > > > > Which would bring back the original issue with that map where players were farming it rather than actually doing WvW. > > Once again being negative > > dont see how it would split the player base? as each mode offers different rewards. > > **EBG and BL** = Pips (Tickets and shards) and Quicker Reward Tracks > **EotM** = Box of WvW Supplies (Liquid WXP, EXP Booster, free Seige schematics and food, all the stuffs to prep you for wvw battle :wink: ) and Slower Reward Track, PLUS it is supporting WvW through supply drops at home citadel; and Anet can throw in WvW duelling Arena so they can stop taking up space when there's 30+ ppl stuck in the queue trying to get in EBG and BL If your world is desperate for that supply drop, they probably need you in real wvw...... I don't see why you should get rewards for playing in the map designed to give people somewhere to hang around when wvw maps are all full. Want wvw rewards, do wvw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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