Sasushi.5083 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Okay, but why doesn't the Wardrobe Unlock also unlock the glider? I only got the Back skin, which is nice, but I kinda want the Glider skin aswell. Do I have to buy it via Black Lion Statuette? Or did I miss something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yargesh.4965 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 I found this out as well. Would be nice if it was both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuickFox.3826 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 I never knew these could unlock via the Guaranteed Wardrobe Unlock. It is a bit strange to have the backpack unlocked but not the glider. It may be an oversight. I'm interested to read from the devs if this was intentional. If it was intentional: I'm wondering if there is a way to unlock the glider as well without having to purchase the bundle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phs.6089 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Glider skin and Back skin are 2 different items. You buy then in pack from BL. Wardrobe Unlock -unlocks a single random skin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashantara.8731 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 > @"Sasushi.5083" said: > Okay, but why doesn't the Wardrobe Unlock also unlock the glider Because Wardrobe Unlocks _always_ only unlock **one** item at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astralporing.1957 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 > @"Ashantara.8731" said: > > @"Sasushi.5083" said: > > Okay, but why doesn't the Wardrobe Unlock also unlock the glider > > Because Wardrobe Unlocks _always_ only unlock **one** item at a time. Not true. In previous cases with gemshop armor sets (that you simply couldn't buy piece by piece), unlocking one element unlocked whole set. If it's not possible to buy backpack and glider separately, the same principle should apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kharmin.7683 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 > @"Astralporing.1957" said: > > @"Ashantara.8731" said: > > > @"Sasushi.5083" said: > > > Okay, but why doesn't the Wardrobe Unlock also unlock the glider > > > > Because Wardrobe Unlocks _always_ only unlock **one** item at a time. > Not true. In previous cases with gemshop armor sets (that you simply couldn't buy piece by piece), unlocking one element unlocked whole set. If it's not possible to buy backpack and glider separately, the same principle should apply. > > Perhaps so, but I believe the point was that the Guaranteed Wardrobe Unlock item only unlocks ONE thing. Other methods would be different than this item. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Udolpho.1209 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 They are unfortunately two items. It's an amazing backpack! Much better than the rando stuff the wardrobe unlocks normally get you. I'd say you're pretty lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkeyspit.3965 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 > @"kharmin.7683" said: > > @"Astralporing.1957" said: > > > @"Ashantara.8731" said: > > > > @"Sasushi.5083" said: > > > > Okay, but why doesn't the Wardrobe Unlock also unlock the glider > > > > > > Because Wardrobe Unlocks _always_ only unlock **one** item at a time. > > Not true. In previous cases with gemshop armor sets (that you simply couldn't buy piece by piece), unlocking one element unlocked whole set. If it's not possible to buy backpack and glider separately, the same principle should apply. > > > > > Perhaps so, but I believe the point was that the Guaranteed Wardrobe Unlock item only unlocks ONE thing. Other methods would be different than this item. > I agree with your interpretation, but at the same time, the backpack in question was sold on the gem store as a combination with the glider. I do not believe that the glider was available separately, therefore, for the purposes of the Wardrobe unlock, they should be considered as 1 item and unlocked together. Otherwise what you are saying to the player is that if they want the associated glider, they have to spend Gems / Statuettes and pay full price for the backpack + glider combo when they already have the backpack. Doesn't seem fair to me. This is very likely something that just went overlooked, and should be brought to ANET's attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kharmin.7683 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 > @"Turkeyspit.3965" said: > > @"kharmin.7683" said: > > > @"Astralporing.1957" said: > > > > @"Ashantara.8731" said: > > > > > @"Sasushi.5083" said: > > > > > Okay, but why doesn't the Wardrobe Unlock also unlock the glider > > > > > > > > Because Wardrobe Unlocks _always_ only unlock **one** item at a time. > > > Not true. In previous cases with gemshop armor sets (that you simply couldn't buy piece by piece), unlocking one element unlocked whole set. If it's not possible to buy backpack and glider separately, the same principle should apply. > > > > > > > > Perhaps so, but I believe the point was that the Guaranteed Wardrobe Unlock item only unlocks ONE thing. Other methods would be different than this item. > > > I agree with your interpretation, but at the same time, the backpack in question was sold on the gem store as a combination with the glider. I do not believe that the glider was available separately, therefore, for the purposes of the Wardrobe unlock, they should be considered as 1 item and unlocked together. > > Otherwise what you are saying to the player is that if they want the associated glider, they have to spend Gems / Statuettes and pay full price for the backpack + glider combo when they already have the backpack. Doesn't seem fair to me. > > This is very likely something that just went overlooked, and should be brought to ANET's attention. > Yeah, when sold as a combo they don't always offer them separately. This, I believe, is by design to get people to purchase more than they probably wanted to purchase in order to get the one item that they want. So, yes, if you want them both they encourage you to spend gems (hoping gems are purchased rather than converted) and pay the full price. Fair or not in your eyes, it is a marketing tactic. I don't believe it to be an oversight. Could the information been more clear? Perhaps. I didn't see it so I can't really say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkeyspit.3965 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 > @"kharmin.7683" said: > > @"Turkeyspit.3965" said: > > > @"kharmin.7683" said: > > > > @"Astralporing.1957" said: > > > > > @"Ashantara.8731" said: > > > > > > @"Sasushi.5083" said: > > > > > > Okay, but why doesn't the Wardrobe Unlock also unlock the glider > > > > > > > > > > Because Wardrobe Unlocks _always_ only unlock **one** item at a time. > > > > Not true. In previous cases with gemshop armor sets (that you simply couldn't buy piece by piece), unlocking one element unlocked whole set. If it's not possible to buy backpack and glider separately, the same principle should apply. > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps so, but I believe the point was that the Guaranteed Wardrobe Unlock item only unlocks ONE thing. Other methods would be different than this item. > > > > > I agree with your interpretation, but at the same time, the backpack in question was sold on the gem store as a combination with the glider. I do not believe that the glider was available separately, therefore, for the purposes of the Wardrobe unlock, they should be considered as 1 item and unlocked together. > > > > Otherwise what you are saying to the player is that if they want the associated glider, they have to spend Gems / Statuettes and pay full price for the backpack + glider combo when they already have the backpack. Doesn't seem fair to me. > > > > This is very likely something that just went overlooked, and should be brought to ANET's attention. > > > > Yeah, when sold as a combo they don't always offer them separately. This, I believe, is by design to get people to purchase more than they probably wanted to purchase in order to get the one item that they want. So, yes, if you want them both they encourage you to spend gems (hoping gems are purchased rather than converted) and pay the full price. Fair or not in your eyes, it is a marketing tactic. I don't believe it to be an oversight. > > Could the information been more clear? Perhaps. I didn't see it so I can't really say. Well I don't know if it's a marketing tactic or not since the Wardrobe unlock is completely random. That said, checking the Wiki it seems we are in err: the Wild Magic Backpack was a BL Chest exclusive, and doesn't appear to have been sold for gems on the store. Still I object to this very concept. If these items are only available as package then they should be unlocked as a package. If you are lucky with your BL keys and get both the glider + backpack at once, why can't you be equally lucky with a Wardrobe unlock and get both the glider + backpack?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kharmin.7683 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 > @"Turkeyspit.3965" said: > Well I don't know if it's a marketing tactic or not since the Wardrobe unlock is completely random. > > That said, checking the Wiki it seems we are in err: the Wild Magic Backpack was a BL Chest exclusive, and doesn't appear to have been sold for gems on the store. > > Still I object to this very concept. If these items are only available as package then they should be unlocked as a package. If you are lucky with your BL keys and get both the glider + backpack at once, why can't you be equally lucky with a Wardrobe unlock and get both the glider + backpack?? Thanks for looking up the wiki information. I suppose that the reason you can't be lucky with the wardrobe unlock is because it is coded to only give one item. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khisanth.2948 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 There is also another factor with this particular glider. It is simply impossible to get the glider with the Guaranteed Wardrobe Unlock even if you were given infinite number of the unlock item. ![imgur](https://i.imgur.com/EoNzUEK.jpg) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanner Blackfeather.6509 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 > @"Khisanth.2948" said: > There is also another factor with this particular glider. It is simply impossible to get the glider with the Guaranteed Wardrobe Unlock even if you were given infinite number of the unlock item. > ![imgur](https://i.imgur.com/EoNzUEK.jpg) Now, the wiki lists the backpack as a possible result, but *not* the glider, so I do think you're correct in your statement, but that screen doesn't confirm what you're saying, though... ~~It only shows that the Wild Magic glider skin doesn't show up in the Wardobe until you unlock it.~~ ~~Edit: It only shows that it's not unlocked, not that the GWU doesn't contain it.~~ ~~To prove it, we need someone with~~ * ~~The WM Glider not unlocked, yet ~~ * ~~a GWU *not* showing it in the preview,~~ * ~~*and* it clearly not being simply culled due to too many possible results. ~~ Edit 2: Hold on, I must have been *really* tired when I looked at that screenshot. Is the right side the glider section of the GWU? If so it **does** prove it! Apologies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante.1763 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 > @"Tanner Blackfeather.6509" said: > > @"Khisanth.2948" said: > > There is also another factor with this particular glider. It is simply impossible to get the glider with the Guaranteed Wardrobe Unlock even if you were given infinite number of the unlock item. > > ![imgur](https://i.imgur.com/EoNzUEK.jpg) > > Now, the wiki lists the backpack as a possible result, but *not* the glider, so I do think you're correct in your statement, but that screen doesn't confirm what you're saying, though... It only shows that the Wild Magic glider skin doesn't show up in the Wardobe until you unlock it. > > To prove it, we need someone with > * The WM Glider not unlocked, yet > * a GWU *not* showing it in the preview, > * *and* it clearly not being simply culled due to too many possible results. I can confirm this, saddly dont have screenshots. I got the backpack from the wardrobe unlock, but i had to then purchase it for statuettes when it was available so i could get the glider, the glider never once showed in the glider unlock section of the GWU, but it shows the rest of the gliders i dont have unlocked that are available(i only have 13 glider skins total, including the WM glider.), and i dont think there is a culling list for the GWU as it shows literally all the rest of the skins i dont have(which is 48% of all the skins in the game.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayakaru.6583 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 > @"Ashantara.8731" said: > > @"Sasushi.5083" said: > > Okay, but why doesn't the Wardrobe Unlock also unlock the glider > > Because Wardrobe Unlocks _always_ only unlock **one** item at a time. > Mostly, give or take a few exceptions. I once got 1 skin in three weight classes unlocked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante.1763 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 > @"Ayakaru.6583" said: > > @"Ashantara.8731" said: > > > @"Sasushi.5083" said: > > > Okay, but why doesn't the Wardrobe Unlock also unlock the glider > > > > Because Wardrobe Unlocks _always_ only unlock **one** item at a time. > > > > Mostly, give or take a few exceptions. > I once got 1 skin in three weight classes unlocked Usually for gemstore armor, not even full sets, pieces also usually follow this rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashantara.8731 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 > @"Astralporing.1957" said: > > @"Ashantara.8731" said: > > > @"Sasushi.5083" said: > > > Okay, but why doesn't the Wardrobe Unlock also unlock the glider > > > > Because Wardrobe Unlocks _always_ only unlock **one** item at a time. > Not true. In previous cases with gemshop armor sets (that you simply couldn't buy piece by piece), unlocking one element unlocked whole set. Well, I have everything unlocked that Wardrobe Unlocks can unlock, and you could never unlock a glider _and_ its corresponding back piece, because - technically - they do not belong together, they just look alike (not the same thing as a Gem Store armor set). Speaking of armor sets, non-Gem Store armor also gets unlocked piece by piece, because - unlike Gem Store armor - it doesn't come in a set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper Cutter.9376 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Glider-backpack combos really should be considered one item for wardrobe unlock purposes, like the gem store armor sets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khisanth.2948 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 > @"Tanner Blackfeather.6509" said: > > @"Khisanth.2948" said: > > There is also another factor with this particular glider. It is simply impossible to get the glider with the Guaranteed Wardrobe Unlock even if you were given infinite number of the unlock item. > > ![imgur](https://i.imgur.com/EoNzUEK.jpg) > > Now, the wiki lists the backpack as a possible result, but *not* the glider, so I do think you're correct in your statement, but that screen doesn't confirm what you're saying, though... It only shows that the Wild Magic glider skin doesn't show up in the Wardobe until you unlock it. > but it does does show up before unlock. That is the left most icon on the left side of the image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloc Freidon.5692 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Its supposed to unlock both. All skins previously would unlock all variants of an item such as the Cavalier weapons would unlock two skins. But I don't think the Wild Magic anything is supposed to be in that since its a exclusive Black Lion Chest/Statuette item. If it was included I think this is an error and you should have gotten both unlocked. Its a new item so it might have been an oversight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithranArkanere.8957 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 At least the price of the pack should be recalculated if you own part of it, to have at least some discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanner Blackfeather.6509 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 > @"Khisanth.2948" said: > > @"Tanner Blackfeather.6509" said: > > > @"Khisanth.2948" said: > > > There is also another factor with this particular glider. It is simply impossible to get the glider with the Guaranteed Wardrobe Unlock even if you were given infinite number of the unlock item. > > > ![imgur](https://i.imgur.com/EoNzUEK.jpg) > > > > Now, the wiki lists the backpack as a possible result, but *not* the glider, so I do think you're correct in your statement, but that screen doesn't confirm what you're saying, though... It only shows that the Wild Magic glider skin doesn't show up in the Wardobe until you unlock it. > > > > but it does does show up before unlock. That is the left most icon on the left side of the image. > That it does, haha! I blame being tired when I wrote that! Fixing my post! Edit: wow I must have been tired when I looked at that screenshot last night! I completely misread the information in it! Apologies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsenic Touch.7960 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 There is/was a chest unlock that gave both the glider and the backpack skin, I got it during my last batch of key purchases when they were on sale. https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Black_Lion_Chest/historical#Battle-Hardened_Chest It was available 11-13-2018 to 12-11-2018 What you got was a random backpack unlock with the wardrobe unlock, that's why it didn't include both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talindra.4958 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 U lucky already to get that in wardrobe unlock. The wardrobe unlock the skin in ur wardrobe. Glider is not a wardrobe item. I would jump in joy already if I'm you. Because my wardrobe unlock me useless thing usually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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