august.8016 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 After some comments on gw2 subreddit, I think a little of a problem of toxicity in pvp game mode. Many player like me try to fight every day with toxicity and no-sense rage of players. The only things good players can do now is block all possible talk with ally and enemy ( block player, hide team and map chat, etc) but I think isn't enough. We need a system on game go further than this. I'm only amateur game designer but I try to suggest here a list of possible things can be useful: * A system to improve good player. Players give a vote for all enemy and ally at end of match. The players obtain a certain points gain a buff ( good player tag, direct reward, reward buff, etc). * A oppressive system, opposite to first: Players give a vote for all enemy and ally at end of match. The players obtain a certain points gain a buff ( shame target, prevent to talk, no reward, no queue, etc). This debuff can be useful to moderator to understand the context of reported text message with actual method and do ban if necessary. * A public message when a ban or other punishment is applied. I think all of this things can be implemented and heve a good impact on behavior of player. What do you thing about it? Any other idea for control toxicity? Reference: https://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/LeahFredman/20180104/312487/Battling_Toxicity_In_Online_Video_Games.php [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9A8VJBh_Yc](http:// "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9A8VJBh_Yc") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GewRoo.4172 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 way too much room for abuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyanchiv.2583 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 I feel that blocking other players is sufficient. A system that calls players out for good or bad behavior is just asking to be abused, as Gew said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GewRoo.4172 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 toxicity in pvp is a myth btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
august.8016 Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 > @"GewRoo.4172" said: > way too much room for abuse Is possible add to system a protection for this ( like extra credit video said ) * 1k match played * a good pvp level experience * a enough "good" point come to first system * etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiviana.2650 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Honestly the best thing to do is ignore them. These types only get what they want when people see what they are typing. The best punishment to them is to make them invisible. If people seriously would stop responding to these trolls, then all they have are each other and they have no influence on the rest of us. Block them completely unless you like to fight in chat, then if thats the case you are part of the problem. Oh and to further what i said. Any system that is put in to report ban or silence trolls is a double edge blade, the trolls can turn it around on you and get you reported , silenced , banned. So the best option is block them and let them fight among themselves, and not get attention from the rest of us. Think of it this way. The fact you are seeing them means you are contributing to the problem, ignore them and the world becomes a more harmonious place . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrilana.1396 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Report and block is enough. People’s opinions vary widely on what they consider “toxicity” to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff.5312 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 > @"GewRoo.4172" said: > toxicity in pvp is a myth btw > I think that depends on your level of tolerance. I only play unranked, and even there I often encounter players who do nothing but berate everyone, players who deliberately lose or go afk, etc. It's far more prevalent than in other games I've played. But if you don't consider it 'toxic' then I guess it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue.4756 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Perhaps it isn't JUST the "toxicity" of others. Perhaps it is ALSO the thin skin of the other player as well. Block and move on with life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 suggestions like this, while meaning well, always kinda freak me out a lil bit cuz what youre essentially proposing is a way to controls peoples speech. block in most cases is sufficient, and if it isn't, take a screenshot and open a support ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
august.8016 Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 Stop to hear all player in a cooperative mode like pvp isn't a solution. This method imho is only a palliative and a better system is indispensable. We need a better pvp environment not a better language filter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoriMoriMori.5349 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 No, to all of those. The problem with any kind of "negative" tag is that there are quite a lot of people which will go out of their ways to get it and wear proudly, as rare cosmetic. You may actually make things even worse. And with any "vote on somebody get prosecuted" approach you are relying on opinion of majority, which is quite easily turns into opinion of vocal minority when needed (as can be seen right now IRL, when it's used to enforce unprecedented level of censorship, "to protect liberal rigths and freedoms" btw). Anything that prevents you from playing a game is bad, unless you really, really destructive offender, like bug user, cheater or spread calls for violence stemming from IRL politics. And it's better for Anet's moderators to deal with those, not some group of players following their own agendas. At best, they just need to be blocked from chat systems in **WvW only** if there are too much reports for their bad behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashberry.4510 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Learn to let it go. Block is great, you forget these folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khisanth.2948 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 > @"august.8016" said: > * A public message when a ban or other punishment is applied. Great way to provide an audience to all the assholes who are willing to do anything for their 15 seconds of fame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashberry.4510 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Lol, now thats a badge of honour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westenev.5289 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Salty people will be salty. It's just something that comes with a compeditive game mode - but it's important to note that salty people seem to be the minority. If anything, I wish muting everyone by default wasn't a thing. It's frustrating when you call "close" at the start of the game, only for three other people to run towards it. When you say to fight on point, only for people to silently die in the middle of the map. When you say "don't follow me" to someone who follows you like a lost puppy as you cap empty nodes (and will follow you if you leave before capping). This sort of thing doesn't happen with teams who can manage some pre game banter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deimos.4263 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 So I was writing up a completely different post and came up with an idea. Maybe a bad idea, but whatever I'll share. While some people do revel in attention, most don't really want to end up with a horrible wide-spread reputation for being a raging lunatic. Mostly, they just want to rant at a few people and deflect on them. This near-anonymity enables inappropriate "toxic" behavior. Blocking them helps the other players ignore the issue, but it in no way addresses that behavior. Reporting....does not seem to do much at all. A rating system does not work because it is subjective and open to abuse. But if *everyone* could see what was actually said in a match...that's objective and fair. Maybe viewable match transcripts? (or streams, but that's a lot of data to store) Your conduct then becomes your reputation. Of course, this is technically "naming and shaming" but done objectively and without comment. You have said what you have said, and here it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gateless gate.8406 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 I would highly recommend disabling team chat. If you want to go even further, disable map chat (then re-enable once you're out of pvp). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsa.3951 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 I already can see it great player carries team help team to win and get down voted by enemy team nice or nubs like me who doesn’t know how to rotate judging the player who rotate perfect Or even better player plays non meta class downvoted In real competitive sport is so much more trash talk I wonder if ppl ever joint this in real life No thanks Ps that should be posted in pvp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melandru.3876 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 lol, lets give ratings to each other like on ebay??? "mr.x was very pleasant to deal with, understands his class and his limits" "Ms.y was a total twat, constantly flaming in mapchat blaming teammates besides being afk at spawn for more then half of the game, i advise everyone to block her and give a negative rating" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiviana.2650 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 > @"melandru.3876" said: > lol, lets give ratings to each other like on ebay??? > > "mr.x was very pleasant to deal with, understands his class and his limits" > > "Ms.y was a total kitten, constantly flaming in mapchat blaming teammates besides being afk at spawn for more then half of the game, i advise everyone to block her and give a negative rating" Yeah not a fan of ratings, in China they are doing this and if this catches on worldwide kiss humanity goodbye. It really will be like Black Mirror. [https://bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-01/china-s-radical-plan-to-judge-each-citizen-s-behavior-quicktake](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-01/china-s-radical-plan-to-judge-each-citizen-s-behavior-quicktake "https://bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-01/china-s-radical-plan-to-judge-each-citizen-s-behavior-quicktake") People are not items to be rated, when we start to think that way we devalue human life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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