Are humans privileged in some way? Are they Aliens?

[Knuckle Joe.7408]

Humans are said to have been brought/created by the six gods themselves, and looking at Balthazar and Dawyna, they look human-like. Were the humans created in the image of the gods themselves? How did the gods themselves became so powerful?

 

Even if not all of the human gods' appearances are all strictly human, their basic form is 90% human-like. We have already seen Balthazar, and he looks human-like. Grenth also looks like a bipedal hominid, albeit with a beast's skull on his head. Dwayne seems to be human-like as well 100% (beside blue skin). Melandru is a dryad, but her form is human-like as well, just like if you carved a tree in the shape of a human. Rest of the gods, you get the idea, while not entirely human looking, they certainly aren't quadruped crabs, felines or any other amorphous, race-neutral form.

 

How did the rest of the races get created then? Why isn't there gods in the shape/form of asuras, charr, or norns? Were the human gods simple humans in some far, faaaar back point in history? Or were humans simply taken to Tyria from some unknown dimension?

 

If you apply evolution theory on Tyria, all the races seem to have common ancestors, there are cats, rodents(asuras) etc. We have primates, which are the grawl. Could it be that humans came with the aid from the six deities from a future point in tyria? (evolved from grawl)? And if they indeed are aliens from another place, why are they so similar to norn? Did norn and jotun are cousin races?

 

TL,DR: Why do beings as immensely powerful as the six resemble humans? Why no charr or asura-looking gods? Are gods really gods, or just very powerful humans from before?

[Sajuuk Khar.1509]

-We know Kormir was human, and Grenth is supposedly at least half human(his mother being Dwayna, and his father being a mortal sculptor)

-We also know the gods we have now are not the first. Dhuum came before Grenth, and Abbadon came before Kormir, and we know someone came before Abbadon as well.

Given how we learned from Nightfall that god power can't be destroyed, even tough the god holding it can be, it's very possible all the gods we have now are simply people who took the mantels from some previous, possibly non-human, entity, much like Kormir did.

How THOSE beings got that power, they were either born with it, like the Elder Dragons, or amassed tons of magical power throughout their lifetimes to achieve it.

[Knuckle Joe.7408]

> @"Sajuuk Khar.1509" said:

> -We know Kormir was human, and Grenth is supposedly at least half human(his mother being Dwayna, and his father being a mortal sculptor)

> -We also know the gods we have now are not the first. Dhuum came before Grenth, and Abbadon came before Kormir, and we know someone came before Abbadon as well.

> Given how we learned from Nightfall that god power can't be destroyed, even tough the god holding it can be, it's very possible all the gods we have now are simply people who took the mantels from some previous, possibly non-human, entity, much like Kormir did.

> How THOSE beings got that power, they were either born with it, like the Elder Dragons, or amassed tons of magical power throughout their lifetimes to achieve it.

 

It seems that indeed they were regular humans like any of the ones you see in the game. All that remains is, where the hell do they come from, and why do Norns look pretty much identical, if there were no humans before the six arrived. Are norn evolved humans, built that way to endure the coldness and harshness of where they live? @_@

 

"History

At an unknown time after the writing of the Tome of Rubicon but prior to 786 BE, the Six Gods arrived on the world and brought the humans with them, but from where is not known."

[Djinn.9245]

The six gods arrived on the world and brought the humans with them...so both the humans AND the gods are aliens to Tyria. Also keep in mind that the human gods are not worshipped by any other races on Tyria - many of the other races have their own gods.

[nighthawke.3075]

I think the human god were originally just humans back on human homeworld. They killed all 6 of that worlds ED equivalents and absorbed all of the magic from that world into themselves. Absorbing all of this magic bled the world dry and destroyed it, Before its final end the newly minted Six Gods took what was left of the human race into the mists escaping extinction.

 

This would mean divine magic is just magic from human homeworld and if its not compatible with Tyrian magic it would explain why they didn't want to fight the ED. Eventually they landed in Tyria. They found out about the ED and decided to leave rather then kill them/tyria.

 

So to answer your question Humans = Aliens. Human Gods are just super powerful humans. Asura, Charr & Norn just evolved naturally like the Seers, Forgotten & mursaat before them.

[ThatOddOne.4387]

> @Djinn.9245 said:

> The six gods arrived on the world and brought the humans with them...so both the humans AND the gods are aliens to Tyria. Also keep in mind that the human gods are not worshipped by any other races on Tyria - many of the other races have their own gods.

 

Mmn, no.

 

Dwarves, Forgotten and Quaggan. Either one or two of them or all. Worship of the Gods was not unique to just humans.

[Konig Des Todes.2086]

* **Were the humans created in the image of the gods themselves?** We don't know. The "created by the six gods" was a thing of human mythology proven to be at least false in the exact details we were told - we don't know if the gods created them on their homeworld or what.

* **How did the gods themselves became so powerful?** In the case of Kormir, Grenth, and Abaddon, we know that they usurped predecessor gods. How did the *original* gods become such? Maybe they always were - we don't know.

* **How did the rest of the races get created then?** Keep in mind that the Six Gods *are not the only gods*. They're just six gods who humans revere as "the true gods". There are other gods of questionable nature (Zintl, Great Dwarf, Koda, Mellaggan, and Amiyali being prime examples), and other divine beings that aren't called gods but are certainly very powerful (animal and nature spirits like the Spirits of the Wild). Most races likely evolved darwin style on Tyria (no doubt expedited by magic's existence), managing to survive the Elder Dragons' rises and replacing the socialized races that didn't survive.

* **Why isn't there gods in the shape/form of asuras, charr, or norns?** Well, asura and charr don't have gods in the first place. Norn do not revere gods but rather animal spirits, which are certainly on par to divinity. But we do not know how Zintl, Mellaggan, or Amiyali supposedly look like, and Koda is rather close to the Kodan while the Great Dwarf was, in original interpretation, as much of an oxymoron as it may seem (though with Eye of the North we're told that the Great Dwarf is the state of shared consciousness, dwarven myths call the Great Dwarf a singular being and creator of the dwarves).

* **Were the human gods simple humans in some far, faaaar back point in history? Or were humans simply taken to Tyria from some unknown dimension?** Humans did 100% come from another world. As for the gods: some likely were, maybe even all of the current gods. There was a canon-questionable entry in the gw1's dat file that made mention of "gods of insectoid beings", one of which being named Arachnia, whose corpses remained in the Domain of Secrets in the Realm of Torment. One leading theory has been that the Six Gods replaced these "gods of insectoid beings". But that's just a theory on canon-questionable (read: may just be a scrapped story idea) lore.

* **Could it be that humans came with the aid from the six deities from a future point in tyria? (evolved from grawl)?** No.

* **And if they indeed are aliens from another place, why are they so similar to norn? Did norn and jotun are cousin races?** In one of the books, I forget which, their standard form we see them in is sometimes called "human form" akin to how their werebear appearance is called "bear form". Either way, lore hints that the norn may basically be "devolved kodan", but it's not 100% canon just yet. Some jotun do claim the norn are their cousin race as well (and ogres are outright stated to be a cousin race of jotun). But it cannot be both.

* **TL,DR: Why do beings as immensely powerful as the six resemble humans? Why no charr or asura-looking gods? Are gods really gods, or just very powerful humans from before?** Unstated. Because they don't have gods. Yes they are gods.

 

> @"Knuckle Joe.7408" said:

> It seems that indeed they were regular humans like any of the ones you see in the game. All that remains is, where the hell do they come from, and why do Norns look pretty much identical, if there were no humans before the six arrived. Are norn evolved humans, built that way to endure the coldness and harshness of where they live?

 

* They came from another world, that was hinted at facing cataclysm.

* Norn looking like humans is probably less lore and more design because we players are humans.

* Norn do not evolve from humans. There is no biological relation to the two races. Norn are hinted to evolve (or devolve based on viewpoint) from either kodan or jotun. Neither argument is a certainty though.

 

> @Djinn.9245 said:

> The six gods arrived on the world and brought the humans with them...so both the humans AND the gods are aliens to Tyria. Also keep in mind that the human gods are not worshipped by any other races on Tyria - many of the other races have their own gods.

 

Not entirely true. [At least some centaurs](https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Eternal_Paragon), [possibly some naga](https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Ssuns,_Blessed_of_Dwayna), and definitely the Forgotten worship the Six Gods. Some dwarves also revered/worshiped the Six - or at least Grenth and Dwayna. There's also an Elonian legend that claims harpies are fallen followers of Dwayna (which seems only furthered by PoF harpies having blue skin like Dwayna).

 

> @nighthawke.3075 said:

> I think the human god were originally just humans back on human homeworld. They killed all 6 of that worlds ED equivalents and absorbed all of the magic from that world into themselves. Absorbing all of this magic bled the world dry and destroyed it, Before its final end the newly minted Six Gods took what was left of the human race into the mists escaping extinction.

>

> This would mean divine magic is just magic from human homeworld and if its not compatible with Tyrian magic it would explain why they didn't want to fight the ED. Eventually they landed in Tyria. They found out about the ED and decided to leave rather then kill them/tyria.

 

There's some slight issues with your theory.

 

Firstly being that we were told the human homeworld had none to next to none in the way of magic. This, and Tyria being so drained of magic when humans arrived on the world, being the lead cause to why humans thought for so long that the Six created magic.

 

The second is that based on PoF lore, the Six Gods never encountered things like the Elder Dragons before Tyria. This would mean that their world never had an equivalent of Elder Dragons, or that they *always* were that equivalent.

 

Third, is that the Six Gods seem to be very well... entrenched into the afterlives of multiple worlds - namely, the Hall of Heroes housing statues of the five gods (minus Abaddon) as of GW1's time.

[otto.5684]

> @"Knuckle Joe.7408" said:

> > @"Sajuuk Khar.1509" said:

> > -We know Kormir was human, and Grenth is supposedly at least half human(his mother being Dwayna, and his father being a mortal sculptor)

> > -We also know the gods we have now are not the first. Dhuum came before Grenth, and Abbadon came before Kormir, and we know someone came before Abbadon as well.

> > Given how we learned from Nightfall that god power can't be destroyed, even tough the god holding it can be, it's very possible all the gods we have now are simply people who took the mantels from some previous, possibly non-human, entity, much like Kormir did.

> > How THOSE beings got that power, they were either born with it, like the Elder Dragons, or amassed tons of magical power throughout their lifetimes to achieve it.

>

> It seems that indeed they were regular humans like any of the ones you see in the game. All that remains is, where the hell do they come from, and why do Norns look pretty much identical, if there were no humans before the six arrived. Are norn evolved humans, built that way to endure the coldness and harshness of where they live? @_@

>

> "History

> At an unknown time after the writing of the Tome of Rubicon but prior to 786 BE, the Six Gods arrived on the world and brought the humans with them, but from where is not known."

 

As far as I understand the human deities they are not Gods at all. They are just aliens who came to Tyria, and either using magic (and it might be technology as these can be confused as being the same thing) created a race in their image; humans. If anyone watched the any movies in the Aliens franchise, it is kind of the same idea.

[ThatOddOne.4387]

They -are- Gods.

[Djinn.9245]

> @ThatOddOne.4387 said:

> > @Djinn.9245 said:

> > The six gods arrived on the world and brought the humans with them...so both the humans AND the gods are aliens to Tyria. Also keep in mind that the human gods are not worshipped by any other races on Tyria - many of the other races have their own gods.

>

> Mmn, no.

>

> Dwarves, Forgotten and Quaggan. Either one or two of them or all. Worship of the Gods was not unique to just humans.

 

"Either one or two of them or all"...what? No, worship of gods is not unique to humans, as I said many races have gods as well. However I believe you mean that those particular races worshiped the _Human_ Gods. Only one does as a race and the Forgotten are alien to Tyria also. My statement was supposed to be about Tyrian races, not aliens. Quaggan worship their own nature goddess and only some dwarves used to worship human gods but of course they are said to be gone now.

 

But that wasn't my point anyway, my point was that the Human Gods are alien to Tyria and the original Tyrian races had their own gods before the Human Gods arrived.

[Oglaf.1074]

If you're a fan of H.P Lovecraft, you know that there is _very little difference_ between a god and an alien. ;)

[Knuckle Joe.7408]

Hmm so humans are indeed aliens, what appears to be the most bland, boring race in the game is turning out to be one of, if not the, most interesting. I wish the story creators elaborate on this more in the future, but meh, the gods seems to have gone away, possibly the only ones who do know where do they come from/what happened. I find it odd there are no records whatsoever about that human exodus, or probably they haven't been found yet or got destroyed with the sinking of Orr. If a document telling the story of how, why and where from the humans came to this world might be something on par with the tome of Rubicon!

 

That brings another question too, where did the gods went, as said by Kormir? The mists? Back to the human world (if there's anything left)? Quite interesting indeed.

[ugrakarma.9416]

The humans seems to me just a reversal of WoW Orc lore. Orc are bring to Azeroth by a intricated demon conspiracy from a decaying world(Draenor). So we basically live in a some sort of Draenor(Tyria).

[Ayakaru.6583]

Didn't they retcon the ussurper Abaddon?

I mean, it's stated quite often, but the god he supposedly replaced was cut from the story, so is it still canon that he usurped a throne?

[Konig Des Todes.2086]

Abaddon having a predecessor was never cut. You're likely thinking about Arachnia, who is *believed* to have been Abaddon's predecessor, but Arachnia was cut from the story (or at least, cut from Nightfall).

[nighthawke.3075]

> @"Konig Des Todes.2086" said:

> (snip)

> > @nighthawke.3075 said:

> > I think the human god were originally just humans back on human homeworld. They killed all 6 of that worlds ED equivalents and absorbed all of the magic from that world into themselves. Absorbing all of this magic bled the world dry and destroyed it, Before its final end the newly minted Six Gods took what was left of the human race into the mists escaping extinction.

> >

> > This would mean divine magic is just magic from human homeworld and if its not compatible with Tyrian magic it would explain why they didn't want to fight the ED. Eventually they landed in Tyria. They found out about the ED and decided to leave rather then kill them/tyria.

>

> There's some slight issues with your theory.

>

> Firstly being that we were told the human homeworld had none to next to none in the way of magic. This, and Tyria being so drained of magic when humans arrived on the world, being the lead cause to why humans thought for so long that the Six created magic.

>

> The second is that based on PoF lore, the Six Gods never encountered things like the Elder Dragons before Tyria. This would mean that their world never had an equivalent of Elder Dragons, or that they *always* were that equivalent.

>

> Third, is that the Six Gods seem to be very well... entrenched into the afterlives of multiple worlds - namely, the Hall of Heroes housing statues of the five gods (minus Abaddon) as of GW1's time.

 

to the first point, for the humans it would have seemed like the human homeworld had no magic because the gods absorbed it all like the ED did. so only the six had power not the rest.

 

on the second point, we know balthazar likely killed his father (which might have been the event they "destroyed" the human homeworld) so likely the six gods are the ED, i presume pased down multiple times, but that point isnt really important.

 

on the third point, from the garden of the gods lore book in game we learned why the gods might be leaving. "Reluctantly, the gods withdrew. They had to find new soil to tend, that their faithful might someday see the full, resplendent bloom of this most glorious garden". So with that in mind who knows how many times they havee "seeded" humanity on worlds before and possibly after tyria.