30000 damage on a 4 second cooldown with 45% stealth uptime

[ChartFish.1308]

*sips tea* 30k on a 4sec CD huh. Those must be some powerful shrooms you're on

[Jimarius.2843]

Sure SB is dangerous if you just leave em sit. Apply _ANY_ amount of competent pressure to them and they fold up like wet paper And some times that means, *gasp* taking the initiative, moving off the point, thinking tactically. Or just thinking in general. Your wiki build will only carry you so far.

[Highlie.7641]

> @"MUDse.7623" said:

> > @"Woof.8246" said:

> > Because of videos like these , new playstyles are created , while the rest of the thief commity w8s like a sheep(you) .

> > True... casual ppl (like you) cant do that tricks , so avoid using termonology , that thiefs is underpower whike you cry .

> > The only thief different from the video is that his steal get reduced from 1200 range to half , **but NOW he gets 450 hp ON EACH EVADE

> > 20 evade x 450 hp = 9.000 healing**

>

> the trait still has 1s cooldown for the heal and it was previously a minor trait, so not a heal he didnt have before. he just now has the option not to have that heal.

 

Not only that but that particular healing spec will only work in WvW with large numbers, It's an old build after all. At that time you also had access to regin. and Back in those day's tanky professions couldn't one shot you.

 

 

 

 

[FyzE.3472]

> @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said:

> > @"Multicolorhipster.9751" said:

> > Potentially unblockable, unreflectable, unasorbable damage at that. Important caveat I think, because when the only real counterplay is to just dodge we get C-Tier quality memes.

>

> I'll show you a quality meme.

>

> Pay attention, it contains the secret knowledge of how to counter-play a Ranger with a longbow.

>

> 

>

>

>

>

 

Priceless knowledge! :D

[Vithzerai.3291]

> @"Zenix.6198" said:

> "Just LoS" is my new favorite meme.

> Especially in node-holding gamemode.

> Finally all that dungeon farming experience pays off.

>

 

Well I mean, if you already have the node capped (And I'm working on the basis this is a 1v1, because that's the implication I'm getting from the comment. Sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong), you don't have to stand on the node and let him fire at you. The initiative is on him to decap the node, meaning he has to walk on the bloody thing.

And if it's not your node, while it's easier said than done, get on the cap in-between his bursts?

 

Seems to be a common misconception that because it's a node-oriented game mode, you have to stand on the cap at all costs in all scenarios.

[Nimrod.9240]

> @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said:

> > @"Multicolorhipster.9751" said:

> > Potentially unblockable, unreflectable, unasorbable damage at that. Important caveat I think, because when the only real counterplay is to just dodge we get C-Tier quality memes.

>

> I'll show you a quality meme.

>

> Pay attention, it contains the secret knowledge of how to counter-play a Ranger with a longbow.

>

> 

>

>

>

>

 

Dunno, to me it looks more like the Anet balance team is doing a "are you not entertaint!!1!" meme, meanwhile the playerbase is facepalming hard in background.

[Azure The Heartless.3261]

> @"Zenix.6198" said:

> "Just LoS" is my new favorite meme.

> Especially in node-holding gamemode.

> Finally all that dungeon farming experience pays off.

 

All I'm saying is, if "Just LoS", while sound advice, justifies heavy unblockable damage from 1500 range, I want Deaths Judgement back to where it was.

 

 

[coro.3176]

I think, really, the best thing you could do is find when/if the balance devs play, and try and get in PvP or WvW against them and just run around focusing them with a glass soulbeast.

 

After they've taken 20k unblockable damage from 1800 range away before latency + human reaction time gives them a chance to react, they might start to get it.

[Engal.6359]

Anyone who tells you SLB is "too op" does not have a clue. The sic 'em + WWP zerker build is a meme that seen no real play outside unranked or silver 1. EVERY class has a dumb AF cheese build, this one is no exception.

[praqtos.9035]

> @"coro.3176" said:

> I think, really, the best thing you could do is find when/if the balance devs play, and try and get in PvP or WvW against them and just run around focusing them with a glass soulbeast.

>

> After they've taken 20k unblockable damage from 1800 range away before latency + human reaction time gives them a chance to react, they might start to get it.

I have seen few on FFA but they were melted by 10 people who were not satisfied with PvP state...

[Sampson.2403]

Please list tEh build that can do 30k damage bursts every 4 seconds with 45% stealth uptime. I'd like to play it. Thanks, that's all, continue the salt now.

[Solori.6025]

@"Azure The Heartless.3261" said:

> > @"Zenix.6198" said:

> > "Just LoS" is my new favorite meme.

> > Especially in node-holding gamemode.

> > Finally all that dungeon farming experience pays off.

>

> All I'm saying is, if "Just LoS", while sound advice, justifies heavy unblockable damage from 1500 range, I want Deaths Judgement back to where it was.

>

>

 

[https://youtu.be/BVeZnsuY7Vc](https://youtu.be/BVeZnsuY7Vc "https://youtu.be/BVeZnsuY7Vc")

 

 

[Nimon.7840]

> @"iKeostuKen.2738" said:

> Some classes also have invulns they can use =]

>

> Warriors do. (Way to much actually)

> Guardians do.

> Rangers do.

> Mesmers do.

> Necromancers dont.

> Engineers do.

> Thief's do. (Evasion up the wazzoo)

> Rev's do.

> Elementalist do.

>

> Poor necros, just gotta hope to soak it up, but everyone else can atleast build against it. And please dont give me that.

 

Only helps, if you know the SB is near you.

Also, if a skill 100 to 0 you, even passive traits that make you invulnerable won't proc

 

Also, what do you do as such a SB, if you see the enemy using their invuln. Blow everything in there? I guess not

[iKeostuKen.2738]

> @"Nimon.7840" said:

> > @"iKeostuKen.2738" said:

> > Some classes also have invulns they can use =]

> >

> > Warriors do. (Way to much actually)

> > Guardians do.

> > Rangers do.

> > Mesmers do.

> > Necromancers dont.

> > Engineers do.

> > Thief's do. (Evasion up the wazzoo)

> > Rev's do.

> > Elementalist do.

> >

> > Poor necros, just gotta hope to soak it up, but everyone else can atleast build against it. And please dont give me that.

>

> Only helps, if you know the SB is near you.

> Also, if a skill 100 to 0 you, even passive traits that make you invulnerable won't proc

>

> Also, what do you do as such a SB, if you see the enemy using their invuln. Blow everything in there? I guess not

 

If its over 4 seconds im pretty sure there is a tell that signifies the start of the combo. Being revealed is a huge tell to either dodge or pop a invuln.

[Faux Play.6104]

The soulbeast hate is amazing. This can't be from spvp. I have no issue fighting them with reaper or scoruge. Play warrior and you eat them for lunch. The maps have plenty of spots to los and they don't have good defense at all. I die way more to builds that can teleport burst like rev. That is much more dangerous if done well than pew pew. Watch Rom's stream. He isn't laying waste to people with it

 

I'd much rather have glass cannon builds in the game than sustain builds. The bunker meta killed GW2 pvp.

[ZeteCommander.4937]

> @"Sampson.2403" said:

> Please list tEh build that can do 30k damage bursts every 4 seconds with 45% stealth uptime. I'd like to play it. Thanks, that's all, continue the salt now.

 

https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/73516/soulbeast-is-most-broken/p1

[Azure The Heartless.3261]

> @"Solori.6025" said:

> @"Azure The Heartless.3261" said:

> > > @"Zenix.6198" said:

> > > "Just LoS" is my new favorite meme.

> > > Especially in node-holding gamemode.

> > > Finally all that dungeon farming experience pays off.

> >

> > All I'm saying is, if "Just LoS", while sound advice, justifies heavy unblockable damage from 1500 range, I want Deaths Judgement back to where it was.

> >

> >

>

> [https://youtu.be/BVeZnsuY7Vc](https://youtu.be/BVeZnsuY7Vc "https://youtu.be/BVeZnsuY7Vc")

>

>

 

lmao, worth a shot

[Twilight Tempest.7584]

> @"FyzE.3472" said:

> > @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said:

> > > @"Multicolorhipster.9751" said:

> > > Potentially unblockable, unreflectable, unasorbable damage at that. Important caveat I think, because when the only real counterplay is to just dodge we get C-Tier quality memes.

> >

> > I'll show you a quality meme.

> >

> > Pay attention, it contains the secret knowledge of how to counter-play a Ranger with a longbow.

> >

> > 

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

> Priceless knowledge! :D

 

So if you're not hiding behind LOS every millisecond of every match that's completely on you and you deserve to die!

[Deax.1572]

> @"Faux Play.6104" said:

> The soulbeast hate is amazing. This can't be from spvp. I have no issue fighting them with reaper or scoruge. Play warrior and you eat them for lunch. The maps have plenty of spots to los and they don't have good defense at all. I die way more to builds that can teleport burst like rev. That is much more dangerous if done well than pew pew. Watch Rom's stream. He isn't laying waste to people with it

>

> I'd much rather have glass cannon builds in the game than sustain builds. The bunker meta killed GW2 pvp.

 

*Whispers* Shhh! This is not the place for reason, this is the land of emotionally fueled absurdity, blend in. *Clears throat* Ah yes! SB so OP, too much everything, perma stealth, 3 weapon sets, can swap in beast mode and out of beast mode with 4 pets to utilize every invuln/stealth, 30k auto attacks, Shroud even 360 no scoped a warrior through endure pain! The mad lad! Pliz nerf. */sarcasm*

[Twilight Tempest.7584]

> @"Deax.1572" said:

> > @"Faux Play.6104" said:

> > The soulbeast hate is amazing. This can't be from spvp. I have no issue fighting them with reaper or scoruge. Play warrior and you eat them for lunch. The maps have plenty of spots to los and they don't have good defense at all. I die way more to builds that can teleport burst like rev. That is much more dangerous if done well than pew pew. Watch Rom's stream. He isn't laying waste to people with it

> >

> > I'd much rather have glass cannon builds in the game than sustain builds. The bunker meta killed GW2 pvp.

>

> *Whispers* Shhh! This is not the place for reason, this is the land of emotionally fueled absurdity, blend in. *Clears throat* Ah yes! SB so OP, too much everything, perma stealth, 3 weapon sets, can swap in beast mode and out of beast mode with 4 pets to utilize every invuln/stealth, 30k auto attacks, Shroud even 360 no scoped a warrior through endure pain! The mad lad! Pliz nerf. */sarcasm*

 

Right?! Why should SLB be the first and only spec ever to get targeted by a lot of the community and "balanced" accordingly? :wink:

[Psycoprophet.8107]

> @"Twilight Tempest.7584" said:

> > @"Deax.1572" said:

> > > @"Faux Play.6104" said:

> > > The soulbeast hate is amazing. This can't be from spvp. I have no issue fighting them with reaper or scoruge. Play warrior and you eat them for lunch. The maps have plenty of spots to los and they don't have good defense at all. I die way more to builds that can teleport burst like rev. That is much more dangerous if done well than pew pew. Watch Rom's stream. He isn't laying waste to people with it

> > >

> > > I'd much rather have glass cannon builds in the game than sustain builds. The bunker meta killed GW2 pvp.

> >

> > *Whispers* Shhh! This is not the place for reason, this is the land of emotionally fueled absurdity, blend in. *Clears throat* Ah yes! SB so OP, too much everything, perma stealth, 3 weapon sets, can swap in beast mode and out of beast mode with 4 pets to utilize every invuln/stealth, 30k auto attacks, Shroud even 360 no scoped a warrior through endure pain! The mad lad! Pliz nerf. */sarcasm*

>

> Right?! Why should SLB be the first and only spec ever to get targeted by a lot of the community and "balanced" accordingly? :wink:

 

It's funny when the popular classes are the OP offenders lol oh how the people change.

[Deax.1572]

> @"Psycoprophet.8107" said:

> > @"Twilight Tempest.7584" said:

> > > @"Deax.1572" said:

> > > > @"Faux Play.6104" said:

> > > > The soulbeast hate is amazing. This can't be from spvp. I have no issue fighting them with reaper or scoruge. Play warrior and you eat them for lunch. The maps have plenty of spots to los and they don't have good defense at all. I die way more to builds that can teleport burst like rev. That is much more dangerous if done well than pew pew. Watch Rom's stream. He isn't laying waste to people with it

> > > >

> > > > I'd much rather have glass cannon builds in the game than sustain builds. The bunker meta killed GW2 pvp.

> > >

> > > *Whispers* Shhh! This is not the place for reason, this is the land of emotionally fueled absurdity, blend in. *Clears throat* Ah yes! SB so OP, too much everything, perma stealth, 3 weapon sets, can swap in beast mode and out of beast mode with 4 pets to utilize every invuln/stealth, 30k auto attacks, Shroud even 360 no scoped a warrior through endure pain! The mad lad! Pliz nerf. */sarcasm*

> >

> > Right?! Why should SLB be the first and only spec ever to get targeted by a lot of the community and "balanced" accordingly? :wink:

>

> It's funny when the popular classes are the OP offenders lol oh how the people change.

 

And by balance it's:

"Nerf it to the point where it doesn't have a single viable build so i can play what i like to play with less or nothing countering me/being an annoyance. If you do decide to 1v1 me than be prepared to get annihilated coz of mah superior skillz, but if you beat me than it's obvious to anyone that the class/buils is OP and there is nothing under the sun that can defeat it."

Basically summarizes the whole ordeal with crying in the "pvp community" by low silver - mid gold tier players for years. This isn't new by any means, practically every class has faced this at some point and because of this emotionally filled absurdity i'm sort of glad Anet doesn't take these opinions into consideration for patches.

In any case it was a nice chuckle, i'll get my back-piece done and for all i care this game mode can die. WvW is superior anyways. :wink: Ta ta!

[FyzE.3472]

> @"Twilight Tempest.7584" said:

> > @"FyzE.3472" said:

> > > @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said:

> > > > @"Multicolorhipster.9751" said:

> > > > Potentially unblockable, unreflectable, unasorbable damage at that. Important caveat I think, because when the only real counterplay is to just dodge we get C-Tier quality memes.

> > >

> > > I'll show you a quality meme.

> > >

> > > Pay attention, it contains the secret knowledge of how to counter-play a Ranger with a longbow.

> > >

> > > 

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > Priceless knowledge! :D

>

> So if you're not hiding behind LOS every millisecond of every match that's completely on you and you deserve to die!

 

So if you exaggerate every single statement how is it possible to talk to you? Hope you see what I mean.

[Azure The Heartless.3261]

> @"FyzE.3472" said:

> So if you exaggerate every single statement how is it possible to talk to you? Hope you see what I mean.

 

To be fair, people are laying out precisely what they think is OP about soulbeast, and being met with LoS memes and "just dodge", so it's understandable that it would break down to absurdity very quickly. Tempest in particular was level headed regarding this pretty often, and at this point she is being sarcastic.

 

At the risk of parroting, so far, comments boil down to:

 

Soulbeast opening on you with longbow in the current state of the game feels unfair because of how much access they have to unblockable. This is aggravated by the fact that projectile hate that would reflect or destroy any incoming projectiles now counts as a block, which reduces counterplay to the opener.

 

Also there's the fact that Longbow says it hits targets at 1500 range but it actually hits for much farther than that, so things like deadeye cannot trade with it.

 

Oneshot maul feels unfair because its telegraph can be hidden by several means, including forage and leaping through a smokescale field, ~~which you cannot rightly interrupt because standing in the field counts as an evade (If I am incorrect about that field, let me know.). ~~ Corrected by Shadowpass, appreciated.

 

Everything seems to stem from either a combination or a subset of those issues. If just LoSing or just dodging, while sound advice, was the correct counterplay, we would not have suffered nerfs to Deadeye and Berserker after their respective reworks, since both of those classes followed less intense versions of those mechanics. (namely, high damage from 1500 range, but there is a telegraph and it was nerfed to be blockable, and high damage up close, but there is a telegraph and the damage was nerfed by 25%.) Especially not Deadeye, since by nature of its build it cannot contest points.

 

Apologies if I am misunderstanding you, but I don't think its fair to take someone's quote and say they exaggerate in every context when it is clear they do not have that tendency very frequently. Not to mention voicing that things might be overtuned seems to be met by similar exaggeration...

 

> @"Deax.1572" said:

> And by balance it's:

> "Nerf it to the point where it doesn't have a single viable build so i can play what i like to play with less or nothing countering me/being an annoyance. If you do decide to 1v1 me than be prepared to get annihilated coz of mah superior skillz, but if you beat me than it's obvious to anyone that the class/buils is OP and there is nothing under the sun that can defeat it."

> Basically summarizes the whole ordeal with crying in the "pvp community" by low silver - mid gold tier players for years. This isn't new by any means, practically every class has faced this at some point and because of this emotionally filled absurdity i'm sort of glad Anet doesn't take these opinions into consideration for patches.

> In any case it was a nice chuckle, i'll get my back-piece done and for all i care this game mode can die. WvW is superior anyways. :wink: Ta ta!

 

 

 

[Faux Play.6104]

Soulbeast gets unlockable for a short time after they merge. If you are stuck in the open and you see a soulbeast merge Dodge. Otherwise block if you have it. Also porting behind them breaks the channel.

 

the zerker version is easy to kill with a meta build.