Burnfall.9573 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 > @"Genesis.5169" said: > Seven years of guild wars 2 and its never been the meta damage type we are in and always have been in a power meta. There were 3 viable condition classes. Rogue, Mesmer. Necro, in within those classes they had 1 meta condition spec. > > **This is just a PSA ima dispel this notion of condition is OP and bring it back**. > If you wanna say it is or was tell me when and if your account not old enough to have seen it ima call BS. we are not asking to bring it back, Anet is going to bring it back as the typical traditional balance patch usuals - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genesis.5169 Posted February 2, 2020 Author Share Posted February 2, 2020 > @"Burnfall.9573" said: > > @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said: > > > @"Genesis.5169" said: > > > Seven years of guild wars 2 and its never been the meta damage type we are in and always have been in a power meta. There were 3 viable condition classes. Rogue, Mesmer. Necro, in within those classes they had 1 meta condition spec. > > > > > > This is just a PSA ima dispel this notion of condition is OP and bring it back. > > > If you wanna say it is or was tell me when and if your account not old enough to have seen it ima call BS. > > > > Let's start at the top of the list, beginning with current meta: > > > > * **FIRE Weaver** <- That is happening right now and it is largely considered the dominant side node 1v1 presence > > * Sagebrand > > * Condi Mirage "Boy does this one have a history staying in the top 3 meta" > > * Core Necro > > * Condi Revs "Yeah, it's a lot stronger than people give it credit for" > > > > Not so distant previous metas: > > > > * SCOURGE SCOURGE SCOURGE > > * Condi Mirage "Yup, this guy was always here" > > * Condi Thief Condi Daredevil > > * Condi Revs "Good players have always hovered just under the radar of meta on these builds. Shao is a good example." > > > > Pre PoF, HoT metas: > > > > * Various Burnserk variants that contested power serk's meta dominance just about every other patch > > * Condi Revs/Herald - This was definitely a thing for awhile > > * The original Impaling Lotus Condi Daredevil that opened the pandora's box of low risk/high reward build structures > > * Super Condi based Chill into mass bleeds Reaper - Yes, Reaper back in HoT, was a big condi class in pvp > > * Auramancer - Could call it a hybrid of power/condi, but it honestly leaned most of its damage into condi > > > > Pre HoT, Core Metas: > > > > * BURN GUARD - This got out of control after the 6/23/2015 patch that was released before HoT dropped, when burn was allowed to suddenly STACK. Burn Guardian experienced about a 12 month life span of being incredibly over powered. It was actually a lot worse in those days than what people complain about condi now. Loooong before power and sustain creep, when everyone only had two skills that cleared condi and each skill only cleared 2 condis on a 30s CD or something, Burn Guards were Judges Interventioning into your face with 20+ burn stacks and constant burn application to follow. > > * Shortbow Condi Rangers - There was a very very very long era of Ranger play in core, where condi shortbow was the meta. It wasn't a trapper build either, it was a sustain core Ranger that held nodes that bounced around, survived, and killed you with condi attrition. It was the equivalent of fighting a Mirage on a node now but without all the teleport, pretty much. > > * Condi Core Engi - Blame Chaith for this > > * Pistol/Dagger Condi Core Thief - Yup, that was a thing for awhile, in both pvp and wvw > > * Of course Core Necro in the early years. The best Necros were always Carrion based. Berserker Lich stuff emerged for a minute but it didn't last. > > * DAGGER DAGGER CELE ELE - This is the original build that defined being Over Powered in Guild Wars 2. Such to the point, that it is the only build that was ever so much stronger than the other metas around it, that it was granted it's own category listing through metabattle, that sat above the "meta builds" of every other class. It was the only build that ever breached that category. It was largely condi attrition based. > > * Cele Rifle Core Engi - There was a lot of condi in this actually. > > > > > > "Condi hasn't been meta" > > > > Yeah ok > > **+1** > > spot on.... > nothing more to say Meta damage type read the thread. You legit named all the classed i named that had meta condition builds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnfall.9573 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 > @"Genesis.5169" said: > > @"Burnfall.9573" said: > > > @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said: > > > > @"Genesis.5169" said: > > > > Seven years of guild wars 2 and its never been the meta damage type we are in and always have been in a power meta. There were 3 viable condition classes. Rogue, Mesmer. Necro, in within those classes they had 1 meta condition spec. > > > > > > > > This is just a PSA ima dispel this notion of condition is OP and bring it back. > > > > If you wanna say it is or was tell me when and if your account not old enough to have seen it ima call BS. > > > > > > Let's start at the top of the list, beginning with current meta: > > > > > > * **FIRE Weaver** <- That is happening right now and it is largely considered the dominant side node 1v1 presence > > > * Sagebrand > > > * Condi Mirage "Boy does this one have a history staying in the top 3 meta" > > > * Core Necro > > > * Condi Revs "Yeah, it's a lot stronger than people give it credit for" > > > > > > Not so distant previous metas: > > > > > > * SCOURGE SCOURGE SCOURGE > > > * Condi Mirage "Yup, this guy was always here" > > > * Condi Thief Condi Daredevil > > > * Condi Revs "Good players have always hovered just under the radar of meta on these builds. Shao is a good example." > > > > > > Pre PoF, HoT metas: > > > > > > * Various Burnserk variants that contested power serk's meta dominance just about every other patch > > > * Condi Revs/Herald - This was definitely a thing for awhile > > > * The original Impaling Lotus Condi Daredevil that opened the pandora's box of low risk/high reward build structures > > > * Super Condi based Chill into mass bleeds Reaper - Yes, Reaper back in HoT, was a big condi class in pvp > > > * Auramancer - Could call it a hybrid of power/condi, but it honestly leaned most of its damage into condi > > > > > > Pre HoT, Core Metas: > > > > > > * BURN GUARD - This got out of control after the 6/23/2015 patch that was released before HoT dropped, when burn was allowed to suddenly STACK. Burn Guardian experienced about a 12 month life span of being incredibly over powered. It was actually a lot worse in those days than what people complain about condi now. Loooong before power and sustain creep, when everyone only had two skills that cleared condi and each skill only cleared 2 condis on a 30s CD or something, Burn Guards were Judges Interventioning into your face with 20+ burn stacks and constant burn application to follow. > > > * Shortbow Condi Rangers - There was a very very very long era of Ranger play in core, where condi shortbow was the meta. It wasn't a trapper build either, it was a sustain core Ranger that held nodes that bounced around, survived, and killed you with condi attrition. It was the equivalent of fighting a Mirage on a node now but without all the teleport, pretty much. > > > * Condi Core Engi - Blame Chaith for this > > > * Pistol/Dagger Condi Core Thief - Yup, that was a thing for awhile, in both pvp and wvw > > > * Of course Core Necro in the early years. The best Necros were always Carrion based. Berserker Lich stuff emerged for a minute but it didn't last. > > > * DAGGER DAGGER CELE ELE - This is the original build that defined being Over Powered in Guild Wars 2. Such to the point, that it is the only build that was ever so much stronger than the other metas around it, that it was granted it's own category listing through metabattle, that sat above the "meta builds" of every other class. It was the only build that ever breached that category. It was largely condi attrition based. > > > * Cele Rifle Core Engi - There was a lot of condi in this actually. > > > > > > > > > "Condi hasn't been meta" > > > > > > Yeah ok > > > > **+1** > > > > spot on.... > > nothing more to say > > Meta damage type read the thread. You legit named all the classed i named that had meta condition builds. > > so we all can agree that condition has been meta than.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swagg.9236 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 > @"Genesis.5169" said: > There were 3 viable condition classes. Rogue, Mesmer. Necro, in within those classes they had 1 meta condition spec. Three too many. Imagine being ruffled about DoT applications not resulting in kills in a game that constantly overlaps a mountain of outgoing passive and active effects while aiming your attacks for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigmoid.7082 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 > @"Burnfall.9573" said: > > @"Genesis.5169" said: > > > @"Burnfall.9573" said: > > > > @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said: > > > > > @"Genesis.5169" said: > > > > > Seven years of guild wars 2 and its never been the meta damage type we are in and always have been in a power meta. There were 3 viable condition classes. Rogue, Mesmer. Necro, in within those classes they had 1 meta condition spec. > > > > > > > > > > This is just a PSA ima dispel this notion of condition is OP and bring it back. > > > > > If you wanna say it is or was tell me when and if your account not old enough to have seen it ima call BS. > > > > > > > > Let's start at the top of the list, beginning with current meta: > > > > > > > > * **FIRE Weaver** <- That is happening right now and it is largely considered the dominant side node 1v1 presence > > > > * Sagebrand > > > > * Condi Mirage "Boy does this one have a history staying in the top 3 meta" > > > > * Core Necro > > > > * Condi Revs "Yeah, it's a lot stronger than people give it credit for" > > > > > > > > Not so distant previous metas: > > > > > > > > * SCOURGE SCOURGE SCOURGE > > > > * Condi Mirage "Yup, this guy was always here" > > > > * Condi Thief Condi Daredevil > > > > * Condi Revs "Good players have always hovered just under the radar of meta on these builds. Shao is a good example." > > > > > > > > Pre PoF, HoT metas: > > > > > > > > * Various Burnserk variants that contested power serk's meta dominance just about every other patch > > > > * Condi Revs/Herald - This was definitely a thing for awhile > > > > * The original Impaling Lotus Condi Daredevil that opened the pandora's box of low risk/high reward build structures > > > > * Super Condi based Chill into mass bleeds Reaper - Yes, Reaper back in HoT, was a big condi class in pvp > > > > * Auramancer - Could call it a hybrid of power/condi, but it honestly leaned most of its damage into condi > > > > > > > > Pre HoT, Core Metas: > > > > > > > > * BURN GUARD - This got out of control after the 6/23/2015 patch that was released before HoT dropped, when burn was allowed to suddenly STACK. Burn Guardian experienced about a 12 month life span of being incredibly over powered. It was actually a lot worse in those days than what people complain about condi now. Loooong before power and sustain creep, when everyone only had two skills that cleared condi and each skill only cleared 2 condis on a 30s CD or something, Burn Guards were Judges Interventioning into your face with 20+ burn stacks and constant burn application to follow. > > > > * Shortbow Condi Rangers - There was a very very very long era of Ranger play in core, where condi shortbow was the meta. It wasn't a trapper build either, it was a sustain core Ranger that held nodes that bounced around, survived, and killed you with condi attrition. It was the equivalent of fighting a Mirage on a node now but without all the teleport, pretty much. > > > > * Condi Core Engi - Blame Chaith for this > > > > * Pistol/Dagger Condi Core Thief - Yup, that was a thing for awhile, in both pvp and wvw > > > > * Of course Core Necro in the early years. The best Necros were always Carrion based. Berserker Lich stuff emerged for a minute but it didn't last. > > > > * DAGGER DAGGER CELE ELE - This is the original build that defined being Over Powered in Guild Wars 2. Such to the point, that it is the only build that was ever so much stronger than the other metas around it, that it was granted it's own category listing through metabattle, that sat above the "meta builds" of every other class. It was the only build that ever breached that category. It was largely condi attrition based. > > > > * Cele Rifle Core Engi - There was a lot of condi in this actually. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Condi hasn't been meta" > > > > > > > > Yeah ok > > > > > > **+1** > > > > > > spot on.... > > > nothing more to say > > > > Meta damage type read the thread. You legit named all the classed i named that had meta condition builds. > > > > > > so we all can agree that condition has been meta than.... Your missing the OPs point completely. There's a difference between conditions being meta and conditions being the meta damage type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTGuevara.9018 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 As far as I know, condi "meta" has never been a thing. The closest thing I've seen is pre-HoT burn guardian and post-HoT berserker, burn dh, mirage, core condi revenant. Nothing else. In this powercreeped era, it's either a power game or both a power/condi game. I don't think condi alone has ever been dominant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 > @"Sigmoid.7082" said: > > @"Burnfall.9573" said: > > > @"Genesis.5169" said: > > > > @"Burnfall.9573" said: > > > > > @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said: > > > > > > @"Genesis.5169" said: > > > > > > Seven years of guild wars 2 and its never been the meta damage type we are in and always have been in a power meta. There were 3 viable condition classes. Rogue, Mesmer. Necro, in within those classes they had 1 meta condition spec. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is just a PSA ima dispel this notion of condition is OP and bring it back. > > > > > > If you wanna say it is or was tell me when and if your account not old enough to have seen it ima call BS. > > > > > > > > > > Let's start at the top of the list, beginning with current meta: > > > > > > > > > > * **FIRE Weaver** <- That is happening right now and it is largely considered the dominant side node 1v1 presence > > > > > * Sagebrand > > > > > * Condi Mirage "Boy does this one have a history staying in the top 3 meta" > > > > > * Core Necro > > > > > * Condi Revs "Yeah, it's a lot stronger than people give it credit for" > > > > > > > > > > Not so distant previous metas: > > > > > > > > > > * SCOURGE SCOURGE SCOURGE > > > > > * Condi Mirage "Yup, this guy was always here" > > > > > * Condi Thief Condi Daredevil > > > > > * Condi Revs "Good players have always hovered just under the radar of meta on these builds. Shao is a good example." > > > > > > > > > > Pre PoF, HoT metas: > > > > > > > > > > * Various Burnserk variants that contested power serk's meta dominance just about every other patch > > > > > * Condi Revs/Herald - This was definitely a thing for awhile > > > > > * The original Impaling Lotus Condi Daredevil that opened the pandora's box of low risk/high reward build structures > > > > > * Super Condi based Chill into mass bleeds Reaper - Yes, Reaper back in HoT, was a big condi class in pvp > > > > > * Auramancer - Could call it a hybrid of power/condi, but it honestly leaned most of its damage into condi > > > > > > > > > > Pre HoT, Core Metas: > > > > > > > > > > * BURN GUARD - This got out of control after the 6/23/2015 patch that was released before HoT dropped, when burn was allowed to suddenly STACK. Burn Guardian experienced about a 12 month life span of being incredibly over powered. It was actually a lot worse in those days than what people complain about condi now. Loooong before power and sustain creep, when everyone only had two skills that cleared condi and each skill only cleared 2 condis on a 30s CD or something, Burn Guards were Judges Interventioning into your face with 20+ burn stacks and constant burn application to follow. > > > > > * Shortbow Condi Rangers - There was a very very very long era of Ranger play in core, where condi shortbow was the meta. It wasn't a trapper build either, it was a sustain core Ranger that held nodes that bounced around, survived, and killed you with condi attrition. It was the equivalent of fighting a Mirage on a node now but without all the teleport, pretty much. > > > > > * Condi Core Engi - Blame Chaith for this > > > > > * Pistol/Dagger Condi Core Thief - Yup, that was a thing for awhile, in both pvp and wvw > > > > > * Of course Core Necro in the early years. The best Necros were always Carrion based. Berserker Lich stuff emerged for a minute but it didn't last. > > > > > * DAGGER DAGGER CELE ELE - This is the original build that defined being Over Powered in Guild Wars 2. Such to the point, that it is the only build that was ever so much stronger than the other metas around it, that it was granted it's own category listing through metabattle, that sat above the "meta builds" of every other class. It was the only build that ever breached that category. It was largely condi attrition based. > > > > > * Cele Rifle Core Engi - There was a lot of condi in this actually. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Condi hasn't been meta" > > > > > > > > > > Yeah ok > > > > > > > > **+1** > > > > > > > > spot on.... > > > > nothing more to say > > > > > > Meta damage type read the thread. You legit named all the classed i named that had meta condition builds. > > > > > > > > > > so we all can agree that condition has been meta than.... > > Your missing the OPs point completely. There's a difference between conditions being meta and conditions being the meta damage type. I don't know what this "condi has never been a meta damage type" paradigm shift is, but that's a bunch of bologna. As if Scourge did not just come off an almost 3 year reign of terror being the alpha team fight damage presence in pvp and wvw, by converting boons into condis, in addition to its straight condi burst to lay on top of it. All AoE mind you, very large AoE. As if Condi Mirage hasn't been the longest standing #1 most oppressive side node presence, pumping out enough sheer condi DPS to kill anything if it fumbles or moves wrong at all. As if the new oppressive side node presence wasn't a Fire Weaver wearing smoldering sigil and balthazar rune. As if Condi Thieves of all forms were not just very recently on a rampage with OP condi application, +ing and kill everything around the map with no contestation, including builds that are supposed to be strong vs. condi. As if Sagebrand now wasn't MVPing monthly AT teams a the critical team support in addition to providing over powered 1v1 presence operating off of mass CC condi bursting. Some seriously misinformed & disproportionate points of views being tossed around this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigmoid.7082 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 > @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said: > > @"Sigmoid.7082" said: > > > @"Burnfall.9573" said: > > > > @"Genesis.5169" said: > > > > > @"Burnfall.9573" said: > > > > > > @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said: > > > > > > > @"Genesis.5169" said: > > > > > > > Seven years of guild wars 2 and its never been the meta damage type we are in and always have been in a power meta. There were 3 viable condition classes. Rogue, Mesmer. Necro, in within those classes they had 1 meta condition spec. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is just a PSA ima dispel this notion of condition is OP and bring it back. > > > > > > > If you wanna say it is or was tell me when and if your account not old enough to have seen it ima call BS. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's start at the top of the list, beginning with current meta: > > > > > > > > > > > > * **FIRE Weaver** <- That is happening right now and it is largely considered the dominant side node 1v1 presence > > > > > > * Sagebrand > > > > > > * Condi Mirage "Boy does this one have a history staying in the top 3 meta" > > > > > > * Core Necro > > > > > > * Condi Revs "Yeah, it's a lot stronger than people give it credit for" > > > > > > > > > > > > Not so distant previous metas: > > > > > > > > > > > > * SCOURGE SCOURGE SCOURGE > > > > > > * Condi Mirage "Yup, this guy was always here" > > > > > > * Condi Thief Condi Daredevil > > > > > > * Condi Revs "Good players have always hovered just under the radar of meta on these builds. Shao is a good example." > > > > > > > > > > > > Pre PoF, HoT metas: > > > > > > > > > > > > * Various Burnserk variants that contested power serk's meta dominance just about every other patch > > > > > > * Condi Revs/Herald - This was definitely a thing for awhile > > > > > > * The original Impaling Lotus Condi Daredevil that opened the pandora's box of low risk/high reward build structures > > > > > > * Super Condi based Chill into mass bleeds Reaper - Yes, Reaper back in HoT, was a big condi class in pvp > > > > > > * Auramancer - Could call it a hybrid of power/condi, but it honestly leaned most of its damage into condi > > > > > > > > > > > > Pre HoT, Core Metas: > > > > > > > > > > > > * BURN GUARD - This got out of control after the 6/23/2015 patch that was released before HoT dropped, when burn was allowed to suddenly STACK. Burn Guardian experienced about a 12 month life span of being incredibly over powered. It was actually a lot worse in those days than what people complain about condi now. Loooong before power and sustain creep, when everyone only had two skills that cleared condi and each skill only cleared 2 condis on a 30s CD or something, Burn Guards were Judges Interventioning into your face with 20+ burn stacks and constant burn application to follow. > > > > > > * Shortbow Condi Rangers - There was a very very very long era of Ranger play in core, where condi shortbow was the meta. It wasn't a trapper build either, it was a sustain core Ranger that held nodes that bounced around, survived, and killed you with condi attrition. It was the equivalent of fighting a Mirage on a node now but without all the teleport, pretty much. > > > > > > * Condi Core Engi - Blame Chaith for this > > > > > > * Pistol/Dagger Condi Core Thief - Yup, that was a thing for awhile, in both pvp and wvw > > > > > > * Of course Core Necro in the early years. The best Necros were always Carrion based. Berserker Lich stuff emerged for a minute but it didn't last. > > > > > > * DAGGER DAGGER CELE ELE - This is the original build that defined being Over Powered in Guild Wars 2. Such to the point, that it is the only build that was ever so much stronger than the other metas around it, that it was granted it's own category listing through metabattle, that sat above the "meta builds" of every other class. It was the only build that ever breached that category. It was largely condi attrition based. > > > > > > * Cele Rifle Core Engi - There was a lot of condi in this actually. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Condi hasn't been meta" > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah ok > > > > > > > > > > **+1** > > > > > > > > > > spot on.... > > > > > nothing more to say > > > > > > > > Meta damage type read the thread. You legit named all the classed i named that had meta condition builds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so we all can agree that condition has been meta than.... > > > > Your missing the OPs point completely. There's a difference between conditions being meta and conditions being the meta damage type. > > I don't know what this "condi has never been a meta damage type" paradigm shift is, but that's a bunch of bologna. > > As if Scourge did not just come off an almost 3 year reign of terror being the alpha team fight damage presence in pvp and wvw, by converting boons into condis, in addition to its straight condi burst to lay on top of it. All AoE mind you, very large AoE. > > As if Condi Mirage hasn't been the longest standing #1 most oppressive side node presence, pumping out enough sheer condi DPS to kill anything if it fumbles or moves wrong at all. > > As if the new oppressive side node presence wasn't a Fire Weaver wearing smoldering sigil and balthazar rune. > > As if Condi Thieves of all forms were not just very recently on a rampage with OP condi application, +ing and kill everything around the map with no contestation, including builds that are supposed to be strong vs. condi. > > As if Sagebrand now wasn't MVPing monthly AT teams a the critical team support in addition to providing over powered 1v1 presence operating off of mass CC condi bursting. > > Some seriously misinformed & disproportionate points of views being tossed around this thread. Again seriously read the first line of the OP. They are not arguing that condi has never been *a* meta damage type. They are arguing that it has never been *the* meta damage type. Again very different. The one word changes the entire meaning of the sentence. People seem to keep missing this point about the OPs argument. You're assertion that condi has been a meta damage type is very different to the assertion made by the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 > @"Sigmoid.7082" said: > > @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said: > > > @"Sigmoid.7082" said: > > > > @"Burnfall.9573" said: > > > > > @"Genesis.5169" said: > > > > > > @"Burnfall.9573" said: > > > > > > > @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said: > > > > > > > > @"Genesis.5169" said: > > > > > > > > Seven years of guild wars 2 and its never been the meta damage type we are in and always have been in a power meta. There were 3 viable condition classes. Rogue, Mesmer. Necro, in within those classes they had 1 meta condition spec. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is just a PSA ima dispel this notion of condition is OP and bring it back. > > > > > > > > If you wanna say it is or was tell me when and if your account not old enough to have seen it ima call BS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's start at the top of the list, beginning with current meta: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * **FIRE Weaver** <- That is happening right now and it is largely considered the dominant side node 1v1 presence > > > > > > > * Sagebrand > > > > > > > * Condi Mirage "Boy does this one have a history staying in the top 3 meta" > > > > > > > * Core Necro > > > > > > > * Condi Revs "Yeah, it's a lot stronger than people give it credit for" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not so distant previous metas: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * SCOURGE SCOURGE SCOURGE > > > > > > > * Condi Mirage "Yup, this guy was always here" > > > > > > > * Condi Thief Condi Daredevil > > > > > > > * Condi Revs "Good players have always hovered just under the radar of meta on these builds. Shao is a good example." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pre PoF, HoT metas: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Various Burnserk variants that contested power serk's meta dominance just about every other patch > > > > > > > * Condi Revs/Herald - This was definitely a thing for awhile > > > > > > > * The original Impaling Lotus Condi Daredevil that opened the pandora's box of low risk/high reward build structures > > > > > > > * Super Condi based Chill into mass bleeds Reaper - Yes, Reaper back in HoT, was a big condi class in pvp > > > > > > > * Auramancer - Could call it a hybrid of power/condi, but it honestly leaned most of its damage into condi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pre HoT, Core Metas: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * BURN GUARD - This got out of control after the 6/23/2015 patch that was released before HoT dropped, when burn was allowed to suddenly STACK. Burn Guardian experienced about a 12 month life span of being incredibly over powered. It was actually a lot worse in those days than what people complain about condi now. Loooong before power and sustain creep, when everyone only had two skills that cleared condi and each skill only cleared 2 condis on a 30s CD or something, Burn Guards were Judges Interventioning into your face with 20+ burn stacks and constant burn application to follow. > > > > > > > * Shortbow Condi Rangers - There was a very very very long era of Ranger play in core, where condi shortbow was the meta. It wasn't a trapper build either, it was a sustain core Ranger that held nodes that bounced around, survived, and killed you with condi attrition. It was the equivalent of fighting a Mirage on a node now but without all the teleport, pretty much. > > > > > > > * Condi Core Engi - Blame Chaith for this > > > > > > > * Pistol/Dagger Condi Core Thief - Yup, that was a thing for awhile, in both pvp and wvw > > > > > > > * Of course Core Necro in the early years. The best Necros were always Carrion based. Berserker Lich stuff emerged for a minute but it didn't last. > > > > > > > * DAGGER DAGGER CELE ELE - This is the original build that defined being Over Powered in Guild Wars 2. Such to the point, that it is the only build that was ever so much stronger than the other metas around it, that it was granted it's own category listing through metabattle, that sat above the "meta builds" of every other class. It was the only build that ever breached that category. It was largely condi attrition based. > > > > > > > * Cele Rifle Core Engi - There was a lot of condi in this actually. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Condi hasn't been meta" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah ok > > > > > > > > > > > > **+1** > > > > > > > > > > > > spot on.... > > > > > > nothing more to say > > > > > > > > > > Meta damage type read the thread. You legit named all the classed i named that had meta condition builds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so we all can agree that condition has been meta than.... > > > > > > Your missing the OPs point completely. There's a difference between conditions being meta and conditions being the meta damage type. > > > > I don't know what this "condi has never been a meta damage type" paradigm shift is, but that's a bunch of bologna. > > > > As if Scourge did not just come off an almost 3 year reign of terror being the alpha team fight damage presence in pvp and wvw, by converting boons into condis, in addition to its straight condi burst to lay on top of it. All AoE mind you, very large AoE. > > > > As if Condi Mirage hasn't been the longest standing #1 most oppressive side node presence, pumping out enough sheer condi DPS to kill anything if it fumbles or moves wrong at all. > > > > As if the new oppressive side node presence wasn't a Fire Weaver wearing smoldering sigil and balthazar rune. > > > > As if Condi Thieves of all forms were not just very recently on a rampage with OP condi application, +ing and kill everything around the map with no contestation, including builds that are supposed to be strong vs. condi. > > > > As if Sagebrand now wasn't MVPing monthly AT teams a the critical team support in addition to providing over powered 1v1 presence operating off of mass CC condi bursting. > > > > Some seriously misinformed & disproportionate points of views being tossed around this thread. > > Again seriously read the first line of the OP. They are not arguing that condi has never been *a* meta damage type. They are arguing that it has never been *the* meta damage type. Again very different. The one word changes the entire meaning of the sentence. People seem to keep missing this point about the OPs argument. I DID read the opening statement, if you didn't catch wind of that from the reference of a paradigm shift. This discussion is silly. Now it's being brought up that "Oh we don't mean that it wasn't in the meta. We mean it was never THE meta damage type." What does that even mean exactly? Do you even know? Please explain quite exactly what you mean by that. Because right now I'm thinking that by saying that you mean: * Condi is used on more classes than power is used, or * Condi is stronger on all classes than power, or * The meta is a condi meta, where condi damage is for some reason favorable in most situations over power I think that what is confusing some people who are participating in this discussion is that they are imagining true condi builds as something like a Trailblazer Scourge that has no power stat at all. In WvW, you have the option to do things like this, and there have been PLENTY of metas roll over WvW in previous years that featured not just mostly, but sometimes only tanky condi builds like that. Condi damage builds with no power stat have certainly had their time in the spotlight of the high meta in WvW, for years on end. But in pvp, we have limited options. In pvp, it's difficult to run a condi amulet that doesn't have power stat attached to it, so of course all condi builds are going to really be hybrid builds. Do you know why? It is because in earlier years we very quickly discovered that condi damage stat alone, is relatively equal in damage output to power/prec/feroc stat combined. So the problem occurred that a person could run Dire vs. a person on Berserker, and then the Dire player would have relatively equal damage output but be 4x tankier than the person on Berserker. <- That is truthfully the very specific reason why they removed such stat lines from pvp such as Dire or Settler ect ect, because they were OP. For power builds to present any serious kill opportunity, they must configure for power, and precision, and ferocity, which eats up defensive stat line options. But condi builds need only "condi" on the stat line to be very dangerous, and then they can conveniently stat it around tanky attributes to boot. So w/e this loose definition is of "what makes a damage source the meta damage source" I really don't care. Because it's proven time and time again over the years that, condi damage gets wildly out of control if it isn't very closely watched during patching, and it opens doors to overly sustainy metas. If by "not a meta source of damage" you mean condi being dominant and used primarily over power damage, you should count your blessings and be thankful for that, because if you had been present in previous years and seen what those super condi dominant metas felt like, you wouldn't be posting in this thread vouching for or supporting the OP statement at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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