anduriell.6280 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Roaming being dead for years already.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedShark.9548 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 > @"lodjur.1284" said: > Nah roaming is gonna be much better imo. High burst, high mobility and high evade uptime is always gonna favor the larger group so winning outnumbered fights will more often be possible now. (this is from a 2-4 group size perspective which often counts as roaming) > > As for solo, I think it's gonna be much better too as a slower TTK generally favors the better player. In addition to that so much time when roaming is spent just hoping to find someone to fight, so that fight taking a bit longer means you spend more time fighting compared to just running around. The main reason i stopped roaming was the amoint of dmg being thrown around by everybody, and everybody and their grandma playing stealth classes, that have ontop of that high dmg AND high mobility, just unfun to play against. A big problem already is the warclaw, getting ppl too quickly to defend and or respawn and run back to the fight. I get the feeling that this will get even worse, as you take longer to kill someone, others will have even more time to respawn and walk back, while another one is stalling the cap. Warclaw should have never gotten into wvw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackarps.1974 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 I don't think so but you'll probably see a lot more +1s to the fights because they will take longer to finish. Its all going to scale so I don't think any one class will be too deeply affected. You'll still see a lot of thieves, mesmers, and warriors. Hopefully we see more build diversity though and a lot more hybrid builds being meta. Looks like a good patch though so far so that's good for us. Only thing I'm worried about is the health pool still being pretty high for players. This might make organized fights really boring if people find new ways to sustain. I also hope they lower the HP of guards so I can still solo camps relatively quickly....also iron guard SMC lord makes me cringe thinking about us all doing at least 25% less damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lodjur.1284 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 > @"RedShark.9548" said: > > @"lodjur.1284" said: > > Nah roaming is gonna be much better imo. High burst, high mobility and high evade uptime is always gonna favor the larger group so winning outnumbered fights will more often be possible now. (this is from a 2-4 group size perspective which often counts as roaming) > > > > As for solo, I think it's gonna be much better too as a slower TTK generally favors the better player. In addition to that so much time when roaming is spent just hoping to find someone to fight, so that fight taking a bit longer means you spend more time fighting compared to just running around. > > The main reason i stopped roaming was the amoint of dmg being thrown around by everybody, and everybody and their grandma playing stealth classes, that have ontop of that high dmg AND high mobility, just unfun to play against. Ye that's pretty much my views on it a bit simplified. > A big problem already is the warclaw, getting ppl too quickly to defend and or respawn and run back to the fight. > I get the feeling that this will get even worse, as you take longer to kill someone, others will have even more time to respawn and walk back, while another one is stalling the cap. > Warclaw should have never gotten into wvw. I find it interesting that you seem to dislike high mobility high burst builds while disliking the warclaw Imo warclaw specifically helps low mobility builds (that generally aren't very bursty) From my perspective how good WvW is essentially comes down to the more (engaging/challenging /fun) fights/hour I get the better. The less time spent running/sieging/waiting the better. From this perspective the warclaw is an amazing addition, I imagine that if one cares more about objectives and less about fights then maybe the warclaw is a negative addition to WvW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doo Lally.8594 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 > @"LetoII.3782" said: > Sky is falling Sky is falling Henny Penny new OP build - confirmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostof Luzifer.6159 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 > > > @"lodjur.1284" said: > From my perspective how good WvW is essentially comes down to the more (engaging/challenging /fun) fights/hour I get the better. The less time spent running/sieging/waiting the better. Yes so true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonSlayer.1087 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 it’s been dead lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultramex.1506 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Sorry when did roaming resurrected? I thought people said it died when Warclaw was introduced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Substance E.4852 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 > @"lodjur.1284" said: > From this perspective the warclaw is an amazing addition, I imagine that if one cares more about objectives and less about fights then maybe the warclaw is a negative addition to WvW There is a pretty good reason that one of the go to things to bitch about when complaining about the warclaw is how it makes it harder to ninja unguarded towers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lodjur.1284 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 > @"Substance E.4852" said: > > @"lodjur.1284" said: > > From this perspective the warclaw is an amazing addition, I imagine that if one cares more about objectives and less about fights then maybe the warclaw is a negative addition to WvW > > There is a pretty good reason that one of the go to things to kitten about when complaining about the warclaw is how it makes it harder to ninja unguarded towers > Is PvDing really something to strive for... Especially when "roaming" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svarty.8019 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Roamers will obliterate people after the patch. It's back to 2012 with condi thief bs wrecking groups and nobody daring to leave towers (arrow carts don't get nerfed but healing does. Enjoy). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Substance E.4852 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 > @"lodjur.1284" said: > > @"Substance E.4852" said: > > > @"lodjur.1284" said: > > > From this perspective the warclaw is an amazing addition, I imagine that if one cares more about objectives and less about fights then maybe the warclaw is a negative addition to WvW > > > > There is a pretty good reason that one of the go to things to kitten about when complaining about the warclaw is how it makes it harder to ninja unguarded towers > > > > Is PvDing really something to strive for... Especially when "roaming" > You wouldn't think so but "people arrive before we can cat down the wall" seems to be a common complaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anput.4620 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 > @"lodjur.1284" said: > > @"RedShark.9548" said: > > > @"lodjur.1284" said: > > > Nah roaming is gonna be much better imo. High burst, high mobility and high evade uptime is always gonna favor the larger group so winning outnumbered fights will more often be possible now. (this is from a 2-4 group size perspective which often counts as roaming) > > > > > > As for solo, I think it's gonna be much better too as a slower TTK generally favors the better player. In addition to that so much time when roaming is spent just hoping to find someone to fight, so that fight taking a bit longer means you spend more time fighting compared to just running around. > > > > The main reason i stopped roaming was the amoint of dmg being thrown around by everybody, and everybody and their grandma playing stealth classes, that have ontop of that high dmg AND high mobility, just unfun to play against. > > Ye that's pretty much my views on it a bit simplified. > > > A big problem already is the warclaw, getting ppl too quickly to defend and or respawn and run back to the fight. > > I get the feeling that this will get even worse, as you take longer to kill someone, others will have even more time to respawn and walk back, while another one is stalling the cap. > > Warclaw should have never gotten into wvw. > > I find it interesting that you seem to dislike high mobility high burst builds while disliking the warclaw > > Imo warclaw specifically helps low mobility builds (that generally aren't very bursty) > > From my perspective how good WvW is essentially comes down to the more (engaging/challenging /fun) fights/hour I get the better. The less time spent running/sieging/waiting the better. > > From this perspective the warclaw is an amazing addition, I imagine that if one cares more about objectives and less about fights then maybe the warclaw is a negative addition to WvW > Warclaw just makes poeple skip fights making the fights/hour drastically lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lodjur.1284 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 > @"Anput.4620" said: > > @"lodjur.1284" said: > > > @"RedShark.9548" said: > > > > @"lodjur.1284" said: > > > > Nah roaming is gonna be much better imo. High burst, high mobility and high evade uptime is always gonna favor the larger group so winning outnumbered fights will more often be possible now. (this is from a 2-4 group size perspective which often counts as roaming) > > > > > > > > As for solo, I think it's gonna be much better too as a slower TTK generally favors the better player. In addition to that so much time when roaming is spent just hoping to find someone to fight, so that fight taking a bit longer means you spend more time fighting compared to just running around. > > > > > > The main reason i stopped roaming was the amoint of dmg being thrown around by everybody, and everybody and their grandma playing stealth classes, that have ontop of that high dmg AND high mobility, just unfun to play against. > > > > Ye that's pretty much my views on it a bit simplified. > > > > > A big problem already is the warclaw, getting ppl too quickly to defend and or respawn and run back to the fight. > > > I get the feeling that this will get even worse, as you take longer to kill someone, others will have even more time to respawn and walk back, while another one is stalling the cap. > > > Warclaw should have never gotten into wvw. > > > > I find it interesting that you seem to dislike high mobility high burst builds while disliking the warclaw > > > > Imo warclaw specifically helps low mobility builds (that generally aren't very bursty) > > > > From my perspective how good WvW is essentially comes down to the more (engaging/challenging /fun) fights/hour I get the better. The less time spent running/sieging/waiting the better. > > > > From this perspective the warclaw is an amazing addition, I imagine that if one cares more about objectives and less about fights then maybe the warclaw is a negative addition to WvW > > > > Warclaw just makes poeple skip fights making the fights/hour drastically lower. Then just lance them off, if they dodge it and run away odds are they'd manage to do the same on foot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 > @"Anput.4620" said: > > @"lodjur.1284" said: > > > @"RedShark.9548" said: > > > > @"lodjur.1284" said: > > > > Nah roaming is gonna be much better imo. High burst, high mobility and high evade uptime is always gonna favor the larger group so winning outnumbered fights will more often be possible now. (this is from a 2-4 group size perspective which often counts as roaming) > > > > > > > > As for solo, I think it's gonna be much better too as a slower TTK generally favors the better player. In addition to that so much time when roaming is spent just hoping to find someone to fight, so that fight taking a bit longer means you spend more time fighting compared to just running around. > > > > > > The main reason i stopped roaming was the amoint of dmg being thrown around by everybody, and everybody and their grandma playing stealth classes, that have ontop of that high dmg AND high mobility, just unfun to play against. > > > > Ye that's pretty much my views on it a bit simplified. > > > > > A big problem already is the warclaw, getting ppl too quickly to defend and or respawn and run back to the fight. > > > I get the feeling that this will get even worse, as you take longer to kill someone, others will have even more time to respawn and walk back, while another one is stalling the cap. > > > Warclaw should have never gotten into wvw. > > > > I find it interesting that you seem to dislike high mobility high burst builds while disliking the warclaw > > > > Imo warclaw specifically helps low mobility builds (that generally aren't very bursty) > > > > From my perspective how good WvW is essentially comes down to the more (engaging/challenging /fun) fights/hour I get the better. The less time spent running/sieging/waiting the better. > > > > From this perspective the warclaw is an amazing addition, I imagine that if one cares more about objectives and less about fights then maybe the warclaw is a negative addition to WvW > > > > Warclaw just makes poeple skip fights making the fights/hour drastically lower. Yes, it makes fights/hour drastically lower by making people arrive to fights much faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwaihir.1745 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Yes because mounts did a fine job of killing it already, but no we dont know how the patch will play out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 > @"Substance E.4852" said: > > @"lodjur.1284" said: > > > @"Substance E.4852" said: > > > > @"lodjur.1284" said: > > > > From this perspective the warclaw is an amazing addition, I imagine that if one cares more about objectives and less about fights then maybe the warclaw is a negative addition to WvW > > > > > > There is a pretty good reason that one of the go to things to kitten about when complaining about the warclaw is how it makes it harder to ninja unguarded towers > > > > > > > Is PvDing really something to strive for... Especially when "roaming" > > > > You wouldn't think so but "people arrive before we can cat down the wall" seems to be a common complaint Those that state that complaint don’t know where to place them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapasmurf.5623 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Only thing dead in WvW are ~85% of my foes :trollface: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daxia.1425 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 To me it feels like the high dps runners have the most to complain when they can't do their lil trick anymore and i don't care about them. Looking forward to more interesting fights :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TinkTinkPOOF.9201 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 > @"SehferViega.8725" said: > > @"lodjur.1284" said: > > Nah roaming is gonna be much better imo. High burst, high mobility and high evade uptime is always gonna favor the larger group so winning outnumbered fights will more often be possible now. (this is from a 2-4 group size perspective which often counts as roaming) > > > > As for solo, I think it's gonna be much better too as a slower TTK generally favors the better player. In addition to that so much time when roaming is spent just hoping to find someone to fight, so that fight taking a bit longer means you spend more time fighting compared to just running around. > > Please explain me how lower damage and higher cooldowns on breackstun and healing will help a solo roamer against a group of 2-4 players. > > Larger group are made by profession that usually doesn't have high mobility and high evade, the only problem with current meta are mounts that allow 50 players squad to move around as fast as a thief. > Lower evade, lower mobility, less breakstun: again tell me how this will help outnumbered fights. All these changes only help noob players: less damage, then less you will pay for your mistakes, that's the only true. > Again: > 1) higher cooldowns = less keys you have to press.. > 2) lower damage = less attacks you have to dodge. > 3) More initiative cost (for thieves) = less skill diversity.. you will only spam THE skill that makes damage. > All these mean less skills needed to play. > > Player's Skills made fights last longer, a fight that last for 20 minutes cause nobody is able to kill the opponent is neither fun: this already happens today in some fights.. with this patch it will be the norm. Longer CDs and less "get out of jail free" buttons they have, the better chance most roamers will have. Because most people roamers run into are of much lower skill level, if they were of the same skill, in a 1vs2+ fight, the one will always lose, however if they are the better player, then the other side will spam (waste) their skills in short order leaving the better player who sets up skill use and bursts will have a greater advantage because after the patch you are going to feel CDs much more. In the current state, so many skills do so much or are on WAY to short of CDs or are wholly passive with no skill required. You, like many others seem to forget that bursts still have to be dodge or countered, you will not be punished less do to less damage, as healing and boons have also been nerfed. Once live, I would not be surprised to see TTK remaining the same if you exclude the one shot or "one shot" combo builds. And many builds that were known for very high sustain in many cases are getting hit hard. > 1) higher cooldowns = less keys you have to press.. Same number of keys to press and manage, nothing changes here, however, how you manage them will matter a great deal, as incorrect timing of skill use will be punishing. > 2) lower damage = less attacks you have to dodge. Lower damage along with lower healing, nerfed passives and nerfed boons which are a huge part the the current sustain ability of many classes. As such, those burst skills will STILL need to be dodged. > 3) More initiative cost (for thieves) = less skill diversity.. you will only spam THE skill that makes damage. So nothing changes here then? Any class you give shared resource management to will be this way, because you will always end up with one skill doing the most work for the amount of resources consumed and as such will end up being the one to always be used for a given situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionZero.3479 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 I suspect +1ing on roaming is gonna be easier with longer cd's and less mobility and 5 man groups with at least 2 supports gonna be able to faceroll on their keyboards without threat cause nothing is gonna be able to burst pressure em anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 > @"LionZero.3479" said: > I suspect +1ing on roaming is gonna be easier with longer cd's and less mobility and 5 man groups with at least 2 supports gonna be able to faceroll on their keyboards without threat cause nothing is gonna be able to burst pressure em anymore. Yeah it will definetly make people unable to burst pressure them and be completely unlike todays weaksauce 5 man mini melee train groups with 2-3 guard+scrapper supports that fall like dominos when people sneeze on them, uhum yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionZero.3479 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 I'm glad you agree it's gonna make it even easier for them ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
displayname.8315 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 So no more sitting on the warclaw and waiting for someone to get one shotted? That is roleplaying at its best lawl. Will be hard to tell how it actually effects structured fights since there are no guilds or structured fights in WvW anymore. Nothing effects the "run when its close numbers, attack when you outnumber them" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kraai.7265 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 > @"SehferViega.8725" said: > roaming already died when they introduced warclaws, this is just the last nail on the coffin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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