Eleazar.9478 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Yes I know the weaknesses of dagger and have been experimenting with it alot I just cant seem to make it work maybe if it didnt have the 1st auto attack and skill 2 had some utility or cc, bud idk anyone else find anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krispera.5087 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 It's because it needs an evade or a teleport gap closer. I always thought it should have been a ranged dagger for condi and then leave axe as the power ranged. I don't even know why they went with MH Dagger with SBeast, it's very rare to see a SBeast use it, except for sPvE and some condi SBeasts in PvP that can be counted on my 2 hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleazar.9478 Posted March 18, 2020 Author Share Posted March 18, 2020 @"Krispera.5087" right? I think this shouldve iven us (considering sb is like a bastard child of war or core guard) either hammer or a focus (which wouldve been more thematic) and just went all in on power, the sb traits barely have anything to do with condition application Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abyssisis.3971 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Play MH dagger for fun in pvp/wvw, because you will never be competitive with it Ahha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorneMormel.9850 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 It's fun to keep on the side with a warhorn for the dual leap + blast finishers on a smokescale's f2. Not really useful or practical, but anything goes for the lulz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrownyClown.8402 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Rune of zephiryte with quicking zephyr and griffon stance. Call yourself the gingerbread man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernRedStar.3054 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Instinctive Engage should have evade frames. Before anyone spills their coffee, I'd like to remind you that it has a very clear pre-cast and after-cast. Would probably still get complained about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonewolf Kai.3682 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 > @"Eleazar.9478" said: > Yes I know the weaknesses of dagger and have been experimenting with it alot I just cant seem to make it work maybe if it didnt have the 1st auto attack and skill 2 had some utility or cc, bud idk anyone else find anything? Tried my hardest to make a d/d build work in WvW using condi, power, or hybrid and the damage output was just abysmal. And this was before the recent nerfs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleazar.9478 Posted March 19, 2020 Author Share Posted March 19, 2020 > @"Lonewolf Kai.3682" said: > > @"Eleazar.9478" said: > > Yes I know the weaknesses of dagger and have been experimenting with it alot I just cant seem to make it work maybe if it didnt have the 1st auto attack and skill 2 had some utility or cc, bud idk anyone else find anything? > > Tried my hardest to make a d/d build work in WvW using condi, power, or hybrid and the damage output was just abysmal. And this was before the recent nerfs. Well now it would be better to run it since everything got nerfed, i really think if dagger 2 had a CC perhaps I could really do somthing Ive been thinking of comboing bristleback fro the sharpend stone in Bm, plus sharp stone uttily with trait with vulutre stance and mad king runes dagger warhorn one wolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider.7849 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Are we the only profession that doesn't use it's elite specs weapon? I can't think of any other professions weapon that is so crap it's unused pretty much entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bezerker.2379 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Dagger is fine with the dagger trait from skirmishing in wvw. I use it with torch and shortbow. 3 is a short cooldown short leap. Combine that with a soulbeast leap pet, it's still ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Za Shaloc.3908 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 I have been trying all sorts of builds with mixed results. So far I have liked the quickness bursts from dagger and its synergy with Vulture Stance and Predator's Cunning, trying to maximize poison application with Quickdraw Dagger 4/Shortbow 2. I haven't really landed on a particularly good build yet though...still playing...still a bit rusty on Ranger too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CroTiger.7819 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 I found builds working and played it in top 100 pvp and never felt less effective than meta because you can share stances with others aswell. As someone already stated here predators cunning with vulture stance and dagger is strong. Shortbow is great second weapon choice while i mostly rotate s/d or d/d depending on map and need of mobility. Double dagger is harder because less mobility but stronger condi aplication and faster overall while u have 2 leaps for smokefield and another leap on smokescale. S/d is usually better option but you can check my channel if u interested in dagger performance. This video is before patch but have version after it with 1 pet only on channel. This one is post patch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Skirm 231 ws 112 slb 231 dual dagger/sb build krait rune or trappers with carrion amul. Black bear, entangle elite,sharpening for bleeds, spike trap'qz and urgent. I find this build strips hp very very fast in pvp. Stay merged as both black bear defensive pet skills are great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yasai.3549 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Sword + OH dagger is pretty okay. Mh dagger? Lol jokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurantien.4632 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Dagger 4 is the 2nd hardest hitting ranger weapon skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scerevisiae.1972 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 like the recent spirit rework, M/H dagger is one of those, WTH are they thinking things. was this even playtested in WVW? would love to have melee condi weapon as an option but current dagger not even close to balanced with other weapons. i think for WVW, minimum improvement would include: * dagger #2 should be made 240 AOE, like a fan of knives-type skill (optional, +0.5sec quickness per target hit) * dagger #3 leap is good but distance ought to be 600, increase the recharge to balance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleazar.9478 Posted April 1, 2020 Author Share Posted April 1, 2020 > @"Eurantien.4632" said: > Dagger 4 is the 2nd hardest hitting ranger weapon skill. How so? Does each individual stack apply life steal too or are you just meming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurantien.4632 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 > @"Eleazar.9478" said: > > @"Eurantien.4632" said: > > Dagger 4 is the 2nd hardest hitting ranger weapon skill. > > How so? Does each individual stack apply life steal too or are you just meming? With the 100% increase in damage to movement impaired foes it's literally the 2nd hardest hitting weapon skill ranger has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleazar.9478 Posted April 1, 2020 Author Share Posted April 1, 2020 > @"Eurantien.4632" said: > > @"Eleazar.9478" said: > > > @"Eurantien.4632" said: > > > Dagger 4 is the 2nd hardest hitting ranger weapon skill. > > > > How so? Does each individual stack apply life steal too or are you just meming? > > With the 100% increase in damage to movement impaired foes it's literally the 2nd hardest hitting weapon skill ranger has. Just tested it you're right and it does indeed stack with pred cunning, since that stacks 5 poison its hits 5 times and nets you 980ish extra damage plus whatever condi damage actually ticks thus indeed coming close to maul. man if only dagger mh had a cc or evade double dagger would be scary, perhapps having a cripple on auto would be good too (sword dosnt benifit from preds cunnning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleazar.9478 Posted April 1, 2020 Author Share Posted April 1, 2020 > @"Eleazar.9478" said: > > @"Eurantien.4632" said: > > > @"Eleazar.9478" said: > > > > @"Eurantien.4632" said: > > > > Dagger 4 is the 2nd hardest hitting ranger weapon skill. > > > > > > How so? Does each individual stack apply life steal too or are you just meming? > > > > With the 100% increase in damage to movement impaired foes it's literally the 2nd hardest hitting weapon skill ranger has. > > Just tested it you're right and it does indeed stack with pred cunning, since that stacks 5 poison its hits 5 times and nets you 980ish extra damage plus whatever condi damage actually ticks thus indeed coming close to maul. man if only dagger mh had a cc or evade double dagger would be scary, perhapps having a cripple on auto would be good too (sword dosnt benifit from preds cunnning (Tested with zekerstats in pvp with div runes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurantien.4632 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 > @"Eleazar.9478" said: > > @"Eurantien.4632" said: > > > @"Eleazar.9478" said: > > > > @"Eurantien.4632" said: > > > > Dagger 4 is the 2nd hardest hitting ranger weapon skill. > > > > > > How so? Does each individual stack apply life steal too or are you just meming? > > > > With the 100% increase in damage to movement impaired foes it's literally the 2nd hardest hitting weapon skill ranger has. > > Just tested it you're right and it does indeed stack with pred cunning, since that stacks 5 poison its hits 5 times and nets you 980ish extra damage plus whatever condi damage actually ticks thus indeed coming close to maul. man if only dagger mh had a cc or evade double dagger would be scary, perhapps having a cripple on auto would be good too (sword dosnt benifit from preds cunnning Yeah once dagger mainland gets an evade d/d is IN imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandzibar.5134 Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 > @"Eurantien.4632" said: > Yeah once dagger mainland gets an evade lol. I admire your optimism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider.7849 Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 I really hope they don't do to SB what they did to berserker just before path of fire dropped. Completely gutting the class and trying to force it to go condi.. then mid way through PoF it became power again, and maybe a hybrid choice now. Instead that they fix dagger and maybe improve upon the beast abilities to fit a hybrid theme without deleting it from power builds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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