Make torment punish teleports

[GewRoo.4172]

If a player with X stacks of torment is porting the dmg he would get by simply walking the same distance should get applied. That would finally be a real counter to portal.

[GewRoo.4172]

btw if he's porting vertically the number of steps needed by walking to the location should count

[mortrialus.3062]

Remove the condition cleanses built into thief ports and it's a deal.

[GewRoo.4172]

> @"mortrialus.3062" said:

> Remove the condition cleanses built into thief ports and it's a deal.

 

No thief needs that.

[mes.4607]

I wish torment didn't exist

[GewRoo.4172]

> @"mrauls.6519" said:

> I wish torment didn't exist

 

Just don't walk (or port soon) :)

[zyra.7860]

> @"GewRoo.4172" said:

> If a player with X stacks of torment is porting the dmg he would get by simply walking the same distance should get applied. That would finally be a real counter to portal.

 

Good idea (200 IQ), condi revenant really needs that kind of buff.

[Tayga.3192]

> he would get by simply walking the same distance should get applied

 

Oh kitten lol, that would be instakill for many many builds

[Fueki.4753]

> @"Tayga.3192" said:

> > he would get by simply walking the same distance should get applied

>

> Oh kitten lol, that would be instakill for many many builds

 

I think that's the point.

in my opinion, long range Teleports should generally be unavailable in PvP.

There already is enough runaway potential without those.

[Tayga.3192]

> @"Fueki.4753" said:

> in my opinion, long range Teleports should generally be unavailable in PvP.

> There already is enough runaway potential without those.

 

Mesmer doesn't >_>

[Fueki.4753]

> @"Tayga.3192" said:

> > @"Fueki.4753" said:

> > in my opinion, long range Teleports should generally be unavailable in PvP.

> > There already is enough runaway potential without those.

>

> Mesmer doesn't >_>

 

I do count the constant target loss as part of runaway potential, too.

And then you have that staff skill that teleports the Mesmer backwards, the Torch stealth skill, Mass Invis, Blink and probably even more that I can't remember.

Mesmer has enough potential to flee.

[Axl.8924]

WOW the mesmer hate is real in this thread, especially from guardian mains.

[UNOwen.7132]

You dont get damage according to walking distance from Torment. You just take more damage if youre moving, and Im pretty sure teleports do count if you somehow manage to teleport on the exact frame.

[PLS.4095]

delete torment to the game, just cancer.

[Stand The Wall.6987]

no that would be dumb and unnecessary. why on earth would you want to buff torment?

[Burnfall.9573]

> @"Axl.8924" said:

> WOW the mesmer hate is real in this thread, especially from guardian mains.

 

**+1**

 

I don't know why the Mesmer hate to begin with. Afterall, Mesmer Portal was severely nerfed due to favoring Thief Toxic portal version

 

side note- whose the real Elephant in the room now after Mesmer was severely nerfed in favoring Thief? Not Mesmer again, correct??

 

**doesn't Thief still have their near perma-evasive dodges whereas Mesmer being Punished with having only one?**

 

_seriously guys, it's not too hard to see who's the real bad guy here_

[Bazsi.2734]

> @"GewRoo.4172" said:

> If a player with X stacks of torment is porting the dmg he would get by simply walking the same distance should get applied. That would finally be a real counter to portal.

 

So accidentally using your mesmers portal could oneshot you? You posted this one day early!

 

> @"mortrialus.3062" said:

> Remove the condition cleanses built into thief ports and it's a deal.

 

Just delete condicleanse period!

 

> @"Fueki.4753" said:

> I think that's the point.

> in my opinion, long range Teleports should generally be unavailable in PvP.

> There already is enough runaway potential without those.

 

Why stop at deleting all condicleanse, delete any teleports aswell. Nice april fools thread!

[Faux Play.6104]

> @"GewRoo.4172" said:

> If a player with X stacks of torment is porting the dmg he would get by simply walking the same distance should get applied. That would finally be a real counter to portal.

 

Only if retaliation procs once per condi stack on it every time the condition is activated.

[Sanity Obscure.6054]

> @"PLS.4095" said:

> delete torment to the game, just cancer.

 

Pretty much. No build should be allowed to use torment as an overwhelming source of damage like this: Having a condition that exponentially damages you unless you stand still to be an easy punching bag target? What the heck? It's like a free immob and damage dealer in one. Incredibly OP in the post-power Nerf.

 

It makes sense in small amounts as an interesting mechanic, but the builds that use it dump it in spades, easily 10-20 stacks in a sheer second. We're talking like 4-6k ticks. Even as a Scrapper with *many* Condi cleanses it's hard keep up with. It should sparingly be available, like fear and taunt.

[Faux Play.6104]

> @"Sanity Obscure.6054" said:

> > @"PLS.4095" said:

> > delete torment to the game, just cancer.

>

> Pretty much. No build should be allowed to use torment as an overwhelming source of damage like this: Having a condition that exponentially damages you unless you stand still to be an easy punching bag target? What the heck? It's like a free immob and damage dealer in one. Incredibly OP in the post-power Nerf.

>

> It makes sense in small amounts as an interesting mechanic, but the builds that use it dump it in spades, easily 10-20 stacks in a sheer second. We're talking like 4-6k ticks. Even as a Scrapper with *many* Condi cleanses it's hard keep up with. It should sparingly be available, like fear and taunt.

 

But confusion stacks are totally fine?

[mortrialus.3062]

> @"Sanity Obscure.6054" said:

> > @"PLS.4095" said:

> > delete torment to the game, just cancer.

>

> Pretty much. No build should be allowed to use torment as an overwhelming source of damage like this: Having a condition that exponentially damages you unless you stand still to be an easy punching bag target? What the heck? It's like a free immob and damage dealer in one. Incredibly OP in the post-power Nerf.

>

> It makes sense in small amounts as an interesting mechanic, but the builds that use it dump it in spades, easily 10-20 stacks in a sheer second. We're talking like 4-6k ticks. Even as a Scrapper with *many* Condi cleanses it's hard keep up with. It should sparingly be available, like fear and taunt.

 

It's not exponential. It's literally a 45% boost. Which would turn 880 damage into 1272. You know, like you can see here:

 

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Illusionary_Counter

 

Exponential would be like squaring or cubing a number turning 880 damage into 774,400 damage while moving or 658,240,000 damage. That's what exponents are.

 

People have some freaking goofy beliefs about the game if you think Torment is doing 658,240,000 damage while moving.

[Heika.5403]

> @"Sanity Obscure.6054" said:

> > @"PLS.4095" said:

> > delete torment to the game, just cancer.

>

> Pretty much. No build should be allowed to use torment as an overwhelming source of damage like this: Having a condition that exponentially damages you unless you stand still to be an easy punching bag target? What the heck? It's like a free immob and damage dealer in one. Incredibly OP in the post-power Nerf.

>

> It makes sense in small amounts as an interesting mechanic, but the builds that use it dump it in spades, easily 10-20 stacks in a sheer second. We're talking like 4-6k ticks. Even as a Scrapper with *many* Condi cleanses it's hard keep up with. It should sparingly be available, like fear and taunt.

 

Idem with burning, it hurts too much. Or that one is applied by your profession and must be treated differently? It makes sense... making others inferior so you become OP. Why not remove all damage and make Guild Wars 2 a more sanity and pacifist world? That would be more fair.

[Quadox.7834]

This would be a condimirage buff, imagine how easily it would be to deal with revs and thieves. Thief who is normally a mesmer counter.

[Axl.8924]

> @"Faux Play.6104" said:

> > @"Sanity Obscure.6054" said:

> > > @"PLS.4095" said:

> > > delete torment to the game, just cancer.

> >

> > Pretty much. No build should be allowed to use torment as an overwhelming source of damage like this: Having a condition that exponentially damages you unless you stand still to be an easy punching bag target? What the heck? It's like a free immob and damage dealer in one. Incredibly OP in the post-power Nerf.

> >

> > It makes sense in small amounts as an interesting mechanic, but the builds that use it dump it in spades, easily 10-20 stacks in a sheer second. We're talking like 4-6k ticks. Even as a Scrapper with *many* Condi cleanses it's hard keep up with. It should sparingly be available, like fear and taunt.

>

> But confusion stacks are totally fine?

 

Confusion itself is a mess prob needs overhaul too.

[Sanity Obscure.6054]

> @"mortrialus.3062" said:

> People have some freaking goofy beliefs about the game if you think Torment is doing 658,240,000 damage while moving.

 

Sorry, I used exponential as a figure of speech. I should have prephrased it with a "like" so it was more obvious.

 

> @"Faux Play.6104" said:

> But confusion stacks are totally fine?

 

*points to nose*

 

At least with confusion you can still move and dodge without the immob implication caused by torment.