[Proposal] Proper ammo for Gun users

[flog.3485]

> @"SoulGuardian.6203" said:

> The idea consists in 3 parts.

>

> 1 - Give every single weapon skill a certain amount of ammo instead of a skill recharge time.

> Which leads to the next one.

>

> 2 - In Huntsman and artificer professions would be added the ability to craft ammo for your weapon skills, that you could stack up to 250 each in your inventory.

> Examples.

> Normal ammo requirements.

> Copper + Gunpowder

> Normal ammo for skill 1 could be made infinite by getting max craft level and adding ascended materials to it.

> Silver Bullets.

> Silver + Gunpowder

>

> For other ammo, such as rifle nets, would require other materials, such as spider webs + leather strings.

>

> For a higher level of poison arrow shot, for instance, we could add...

> Steel + Poison Sack.

> Obviously higher levels of ammo would do more damage.

>

> Other things we could craft as we increase our levels, are intensifier and multiplier.

> Intensifiers could be crafted and used after to combine with ammo, to intensify damage and condition damage and duration.

> Multipliers would multiply the amount of chosen ammo you have in your inventory.

>

> 3 - Reload time and animations.

> So as I mentioned.

> When you ran out of ammo for a certain skill, instead of a skill recharge, by clicking on that skill again, and if you had any ammo left, it would play an animation of your character reloading the weapon.

>

> I haven't given this much thought to be honest.

> It just occurred to me whilst playing and thought that it could look more realistic, and also give you more value for crafting.

>

> So what do you guys think?

> Good idea? Not?

> Your thoughts please.

 

Honestly your idea could work. But it should only be part of some long end game optional achievement system with its own rules like some sort of a mini-game.

[Pifil.5193]

> @"Danikat.8537" said:

> Many other games do require ammo for weapons that would need it (the ones I'm most familiar with are the various DnD games) and it's ok, but can be annoying. Especially when you're faced with a choice between filling 1/2 your inventory with stacks of arrows or risking running out when you go through a long dungeon.

 

I remember that in WoW, the breaks while the hunters portal or hearth back to a city and buy more ammo, then summoning them back on my 'lock. Yeah, I was glad when they removed ammo (and soulshards etc) in WoW, it was just a pain.

 

> Also I'm not sure how crafting unicorns for the Dreamer would work. Or a quiver for that matter.

 

A unicorn quiver? Or a tiger quiver for Chuka and Champawat? Awesome!

 

On a related note, it would be nice if there was a matching quiver skin for each legendary bow, one that the bow didn't hide when stowed.

[kharmin.7683]

> @"Pifil.5193" said:

> On a related note, it would be nice if there was a matching quiver skin for each legendary bow, one that the bow didn't hide when stowed.

There's a checkbox to hide the bow when stowed so that the quiver would be visible. Not ideal, perhaps, but optional nonetheless.

 

[Zephire.8049]

Reloading works in an FPS because everyone is subject to it (minus melee or special weapons) and it adds a layer of strategy as you can't just spend the whole time firing an infinitely reloading weapon. A good number of FPS games also market themselves as realistic and real life guns need to be reloaded.

 

Ammo doesn't work in an MMO because it punishes classes that use ranged projectile weapons and also punishes people for playing with someone who plays a ranged projectile class. How does it punish others you ask? Because people run out of ammo mid-encounter or forget to buy several stacks before running a dungeon or raid so the whole group has to wait around for someone to port to a city to buy/craft what they need and then port back. During this time others often go AFK as well so the entire thing is delayed for 15 minutes because one person forgot ammo.

 

As mentioned earlier in the thread, WoW had ammo in-game for years. They removed it because it caused so many issues. Nothing that was game-breaking but it did bring down the QoL for players who played classes that required ammo.

 

If you can suspend your disbelief around magic, monsters, dragons, and objects/animals spawning from nothing, you can suspend your disbelief around people having the perfect number of arrows or bullets.

[SinisterSlay.6973]

A rifle reload/pistol animation when you holster your weapon could be a nice nod to continuity. But that's it. Don't actually have ammo, just a custom holster animation.

[joneirikb.7506]

Not a fan of this, for all the logistics reasons etc.

 

The main way I could see an ammo system work, is to slightly weaken all ranged attacks a bit. Then have a bunch of craftable and buyable ammunitions work as 1use items or potions, that you can activate to get a bonus for its duration (1shot or Xtime). That would likely boost it slightly above the current level. And then rather have multiple different types of buffs.

 

It would still make me avoid the system since I still have traumas of running around with 2-3 characters with inventories filled with arrows from back in Baldur's Gate 1 just to take out some bosses or dungeons.

[Kumouta.4985]

this suggestion was two days too late! would've been perfect for april fools.

Noone wants this, because it makes guns useless halfway through enjoying the game and forces guns to cost much more gold to use than anything else

[SoulGuardian.6203]

> @"Kumouta.4985" said:

> this suggestion was two days too late! would've been perfect for april fools.

> Noone wants this, because it makes guns useless halfway through enjoying the game and forces guns to cost much more gold to use than anything else

 

Yeah.

Weird times, weird day, weird mood leads to this.

I think Monster Hunter and Dino Crisis must have popped in my mind, along with this self confinement.

 

 

?

 

[The Greyhawk.9107]

> @"kharmin.7683" said:

> > @"Pifil.5193" said:

> > On a related note, it would be nice if there was a matching quiver skin for each legendary bow, one that the bow didn't hide when stowed.

> There's a checkbox to hide the bow when stowed so that the quiver would be visible. Not ideal, perhaps, but optional nonetheless.

>

 

Bit off topic, but is this a thing for other people? I have Chuka & Champawat with Rox's Quiver, but when my bow is stowed both bow and quiver stay visible.

[kharmin.7683]

> @"The Greyhawk.9107" said:

> > @"kharmin.7683" said:

> > > @"Pifil.5193" said:

> > > On a related note, it would be nice if there was a matching quiver skin for each legendary bow, one that the bow didn't hide when stowed.

> > There's a checkbox to hide the bow when stowed so that the quiver would be visible. Not ideal, perhaps, but optional nonetheless.

> >

>

> Bit off topic, but is this a thing for other people? I have Chuka & Champawat with Rox's Quiver, but when my bow is stowed both bow and quiver stay visible.

 

I have Rox's Quiver, too. Like any back item, I can hide or show it, but that's not a weapon, so it doesn't trigger on stow. The problem with showing the bow when stowed being obstructed by the quiver is, AFAIK, only solved by "perma" hiding the quiver.

[The Greyhawk.9107]

> @"kharmin.7683" said:

> > @"The Greyhawk.9107" said:

> > > @"kharmin.7683" said:

> > > > @"Pifil.5193" said:

> > > > On a related note, it would be nice if there was a matching quiver skin for each legendary bow, one that the bow didn't hide when stowed.

> > > There's a checkbox to hide the bow when stowed so that the quiver would be visible. Not ideal, perhaps, but optional nonetheless.

> > >

> >

> > Bit off topic, but is this a thing for other people? I have Chuka & Champawat with Rox's Quiver, but when my bow is stowed both bow and quiver stay visible.

>

> I have Rox's Quiver, too. Like any back item, I can hide or show it, but that's not a weapon, so it doesn't trigger on stow. The problem with showing the bow when stowed being obstructed by the quiver is, AFAIK, only solved by "perma" hiding the quiver.

 

Sorry, 'fraid I still don't quite understand the problem, though I don't suppose it matters enough to continue going off topic.

[Antycypator.9874]

OK, but melee weapons should break or require sharpening/repair, so you have to return to the town or use the crafting/repair station.

[Game of Bones.8975]

> @"Antycypator.9874" said:

> OK, but melee weapons should break or require sharpening/repair, so you have to return to the town or use the crafting/repair station.

 

Are you suggesting like armor and trinkets break when a character is killed a number of times?

 

That will get voted down fast, but on the whole it does make sense.

[ProtoGunner.4953]

WoW had bullets until I think Burning Crusade or Lich King expansion (gosh is a decade ago). I liked it. Other classes had other money sinks. It added flavour. But in the world of (bit non-independent commercial) games I see only one direction: casualisation. So you won't see it here.

[sorudo.9054]

blizzard removed it for a really good reason, let's keep that horrible idea out of GW2 TY.

[Kanok.3027]

Had this mechanic in two different games I played and it was awful running out of ammo in the middle of a fight. No thanks!

[Lightning Specter.9568]

if you wanted just different effect of ammo, why not expand on the slayer potions. ie: instead of rifle nets, we could have a crafted sticky potion that has a 10% chance to immobilise your target for 0.5sec( can not be affect by condition duration). this can also be expanded on other effects.

[Luthan.5236]

Useless suggestion. Not adding anything fun to the game and instead making it more bloated with useless mechanics. It will get boring to play if you have to restock on ammo. (People already buy unbreakable harvest tools from the gem store cause it is boring to restock on such stuff.)

 

Besides: If you want such stuff for ranged weapons (guns) you'd need to introduce it for melee weapons as well. (Maybe having to use a sharpening stone to make the blade sharp again after some uses.)

[mercury ranique.2170]

Arenanet should have thought about this when launching the game. The Ammo-o-tronic (automatically reloads all your ammo) would be a bestseller in the gemstore.

[AzureTerra.1642]

Been there, done that it was removed and that was a good thing because running out of ammo in the middle of something long when that ammo is providing your damage out put is not good. Ammo management has a place in some games but its not in any MMO.

[Etria.3642]

Just play the new story instance thing and spend half your time leaving the tank in the middle of battle to go grab ammo. It's okay, I guess, in small doses but I would hate/loathe this otherwise.

[Eekasqueak.7850]

Ammo is better suited to shooters and more sim/survival type games not MMORPGs.

[SoulGuardian.6203]

Thanks for your oppinions.

Cheers.? all.

[White Kitsunee.4620]

That's a really cool idea but sadely it goes against GW2 philosophy and and in game it this kind of mechanic isnt really supported that well. The weapon system would need a massive overhaul to make this worthwhile.

[Blude.6812]

> @"Luthan.5236" said:

> Useless suggestion. Not adding anything fun to the game and instead making it more bloated with useless mechanics. It will get boring to play if you have to restock on ammo. (People already buy unbreakable harvest tools from the gem store cause it is boring to restock on such stuff.)

>

> Besides: If you want such stuff for ranged weapons (guns) you'd need to introduce it for melee weapons as well. (Maybe having to use a sharpening stone to make the blade sharp again after some uses.)

 

^ This, 100%---- another one of those ideas with no merit.