Crab Fear.1624 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 necros guards eles every one else is salt and pepper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apharma.3741 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 You forgot Revs being ignored but actually incredibly strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quadox.7834 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 rev and holo are possibly the best 2 classes though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EremiteAngel.9765 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Actually from all the top level PvP streamers games I've been watching, every class has at least one viable build in Plat 3 to Legendary games. Immortal Holos Condi Mirage Burst Reapers Power Soulbeasts Portal Thieves Tornado Weavers Burn Firebrands Power Heralds CC Warrios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution.5409 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 This is what I find often. FB, Holo, Herald and Necro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrollingDemigod.3041 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 > @"EremiteAngel.9765" said: > Actually from all the top level PvP streamers games I've been watching, every class has at least one viable build in Plat 3 to Legendary games. > > Immortal Holos > Condi Mirage > Burst Reapers > Power Soulbeasts > Portal Thieves > Tornado Weavers > Burn Firebrands > Power Heralds > CC Warrios > Impossible. People say that condi mirage was deleted and is unplayable and I believe them. /s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 > @"Quadox.7834" said: > rev and holo are possibly the best 2 classes though Mirage used to be in that list. But now 1 dodge man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimjack.8130 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 ele was the worst class at pof release, but then again this is a crab fear thread so i dont expect it to be accurate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heika.5403 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 > @"Revolution.5409" said: > This is what I find often. > FB, Holo, Herald and Necro Yep those are the ones that are everywhere rocking. > @"TrollingDemigod.3041" said: > Impossible. People say that condi mirage was deleted and is unplayable and I believe them. /s I'm glad that there are some players still having fun with Mirages so you can delete them easily with FB, Holo, Herald and Necro mentioned above, also with Spellbreaker and Thief. That makes the match more easy to win. About all, when class stacking is allowed. Where class stacking is not allowed, then is other history if not a better alternative is available, or if the player is not good with a better one and prefer try the Mirage. So yes, Mirage is still selectable and playable. Other thing is if play the Mirage is counterproductive to your team and not effective for win matches depending the case. Seems that you are more happy now than months ago. Maybe "the one dodge man" is one of the reasons, if not the main one. Congrats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenix.6198 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Eles at PoF start? You and I have quite different experiences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Fear.1624 Posted April 14, 2020 Author Share Posted April 14, 2020 > @"Grimjack.8130" said: > ele was the worst class at pof release, but then again this is a crab fear thread so i dont expect it to be accurate The worst was rev, and I'm not even talking about renegade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Fear.1624 Posted April 14, 2020 Author Share Posted April 14, 2020 > @"Revolution.5409" said: > This is what I find often. > FB, Holo, Herald and Necro (1),(2),(3),(4,5) (Any Guard),(Core Necro),(Tempest or Malyx or Holo), (Salt and Pepper) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arheundel.6451 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 > @"Crab Fear.1624" said: > necros > guards > eles > > every one else is salt and pepper Thieves and Necros are perpetual whiners...while having been perma meta in PvP/WvW since the inception of the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 > @"Arheundel.6451" said: > > @"Crab Fear.1624" said: > > necros > > guards > > eles > > > > every one else is salt and pepper > > Thieves and Necros are perpetual whiners...while having been perma meta in PvP/WvW since the inception of the game You know, you keep repeating that, but thats still wrong. Necro hasnt been meta for most of GW2s lifespan, having had brief stints in the spotlight in pre-HoT and then a couple in HoT, but by and large being absent from the meta. Thief fared better, but even thief wasnt meta every time the meta gravitated towards bunkers (it makes their rotational prowess far less relevant), which HoT had a few of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arheundel.6451 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > @"Arheundel.6451" said: > > > @"Crab Fear.1624" said: > > > necros > > > guards > > > eles > > > > > > every one else is salt and pepper > > > > Thieves and Necros are perpetual whiners...while having been perma meta in PvP/WvW since the inception of the game > > You know, you keep repeating that, but thats still wrong. Necro hasnt been meta for most of GW2s lifespan, having had brief stints in the spotlight in pre-HoT and then a couple in HoT, but by and large being absent from the meta. Thief fared better, but even thief wasnt meta every time the meta gravitated towards bunkers (it makes their rotational prowess far less relevant), which HoT had a few of. 2012 : Core necro and D/D thief 2012-2013 Core necro , D/D and D/P thief 2013-2014-2015 Dhuum fire necro, D/P and S/D thief 2015-2018 Chill/dhuum Reaper, D/P, S/D core and Daredevil 2018-2019 Scourge, Deadeye, D/P core thief 2019-2020 Core necro, D/P core thief I won't mention other sub-variants and neither their implications in WvW but so far...**when exactly were thief and necro non meta?** and you answering the question would imply that the meta had better replacements and I'd like to know which ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 no, it really isn't. please use brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 > @"Arheundel.6451" said: > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > @"Arheundel.6451" said: > > > > @"Crab Fear.1624" said: > > > > necros > > > > guards > > > > eles > > > > > > > > every one else is salt and pepper > > > > > > Thieves and Necros are perpetual whiners...while having been perma meta in PvP/WvW since the inception of the game > > > > You know, you keep repeating that, but thats still wrong. Necro hasnt been meta for most of GW2s lifespan, having had brief stints in the spotlight in pre-HoT and then a couple in HoT, but by and large being absent from the meta. Thief fared better, but even thief wasnt meta every time the meta gravitated towards bunkers (it makes their rotational prowess far less relevant), which HoT had a few of. > > 2012 : > Core necro and D/D thief > > 2012-2013 > Core necro , D/D and D/P thief > > 2013-2014-2015 > Dhuum fire necro, D/P and S/D thief > So far mostly correct, necro wasnt much of a thing in most of 2013 and 2015. > 2015-2018 > Chill/dhuum Reaper, D/P, S/D core and Daredevil > Here you are incorrect. Reaper was relevant for all of a couple months in early HoT, then stopped being relevant. Thief was only relevant in non-bunker metas. HoT didnt have too many of those. > 2018-2019 > Scourge, Deadeye, D/P core thief > Deadeye was never viable. D/P core thief was not viable until *late* 2019. It was only S/D, and that one was ok. > 2019-2020 > Core necro, D/P core thief > Core Necro only became viable after the february patch. Before that, necro wasnt viable. > I won't mention other sub-variants and neither their implications in WvW but so far...**when exactly were thief and necro non meta?** and you answering the question would imply that the meta had better replacements and I'd like to know which ones > "Replacements"? No, that would only apply if their role was still relevant, but thieves role was not relevant in several metas. The replacement was just playing a bunker yourself as well. Necro had been replaced by various classes, Elementalists, Bunker Mesmers, Warriors, etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodWithGravy.8019 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 In case anyone doesn't remember what Ele was like for the first ~2 years of PoF: https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/51552/poll-current-most-useless-profession/p1 https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/53399/poll-has-the-most-useless-profession-changed/p1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Fear.1624 Posted April 14, 2020 Author Share Posted April 14, 2020 > @"GoodWithGravy.8019" said: > In case anyone doesn't remember what Ele was like for the first ~2 years of PoF: > > https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/51552/poll-current-most-useless-profession/p1 > > https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/53399/poll-has-the-most-useless-profession-changed/p1 My memory is a bit foggy, but what update turned them from trash into 4-5 per game? Just migration from one faceroll to another? Cellofrag has videos from pof inception, all the way until now. And it seems that he was able to fight outnumbered from day one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bravan.3876 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 No balance changes today... feelsbadman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArlAlt.1630 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 > @"Crab Fear.1624" said: > > @"Grimjack.8130" said: > > ele was the worst class at pof release, but then again this is a crab fear thread so i dont expect it to be accurate > > The worst was rev, and I'm not even talking about renegade. Half of Mirage mechanics were bugged or not working at all. So much like it is now, though now it's intentional. PoF release for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 > @"bravan.3876" said: > No balance changes today... feelsbadman TBH we have been scammed with those "quick" changes, I dont really see them, since the big patch we had only parody nerfs fb nerf was a joke ranger nerf was a joke necro nerf was a joke LR nerf was enitire circus lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoser.7245 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 > @"bravan.3876" said: > No balance changes today... feelsbadman The next patch is expected in two weeks, April 28. Probably that one could a balance patch and the next living world content or festival in May 12 when the super adventure ends or later. But who knows... What i watch is that, on April 28, a patch should be relased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arheundel.6451 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > @"Arheundel.6451" said: > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > @"Arheundel.6451" said: > > > > > @"Crab Fear.1624" said: > > > > > necros > > > > > guards > > > > > eles > > > > > > > > > > every one else is salt and pepper > > > > > > > > Thieves and Necros are perpetual whiners...while having been perma meta in PvP/WvW since the inception of the game > > > > > > You know, you keep repeating that, but thats still wrong. Necro hasnt been meta for most of GW2s lifespan, having had brief stints in the spotlight in pre-HoT and then a couple in HoT, but by and large being absent from the meta. Thief fared better, but even thief wasnt meta every time the meta gravitated towards bunkers (it makes their rotational prowess far less relevant), which HoT had a few of. > > > > 2012 : > > Core necro and D/D thief > > > > 2012-2013 > > Core necro , D/D and D/P thief > > > > 2013-2014-2015 > > Dhuum fire necro, D/P and S/D thief > > > > So far mostly correct, necro wasnt much of a thing in most of 2013 and 2015. > > > 2015-2018 > > Chill/dhuum Reaper, D/P, S/D core and Daredevil > > > > Here you are incorrect. Reaper was relevant for all of a couple months in early HoT, then stopped being relevant. Thief was only relevant in non-bunker metas. HoT didnt have too many of those. > > > 2018-2019 > > Scourge, Deadeye, D/P core thief > > > > Deadeye was never viable. D/P core thief was not viable until *late* 2019. It was only S/D, and that one was ok. > > > 2019-2020 > > Core necro, D/P core thief > > > > Core Necro only became viable after the february patch. Before that, necro wasnt viable. > > > I won't mention other sub-variants and neither their implications in WvW but so far...**when exactly were thief and necro non meta?** and you answering the question would imply that the meta had better replacements and I'd like to know which ones > > > > "Replacements"? No, that would only apply if their role was still relevant, but thieves role was not relevant in several metas. The replacement was just playing a bunker yourself as well. Necro had been replaced by various classes, Elementalists, Bunker Mesmers, Warriors, etc. etc. > > I think your memory is a bit fuzzy.... When the dhuum patch got released, people were playing even 3 dhuum necro per team in ranked, during that time 2013-2014 **ele was literally unplayable** so much that **Jon Peters** pitied the eles and introduced **Diamond Skin** to give eles a chance to fight back. At the same time of the dhuum patch we had buffs for **s/d thief** and their 2-3 boons steal from sword shadow step ( can't remember correct name ) and all of that contributed to make ele virtually unplayable in PvP/WvW so much again that along with Diamond skin , the devs released **Stone Heart** S/D thieves with their unblockable boon steal were making life miserable for guardians too and dhuumfire was being abused left and right with no remorse, it took some months but the nerfs started to flow in....it was still not enough and we barely reached a placebo sort of situation, because in the end **whining FOTM necro mains** got Diamond skin nerfed to the ground, luckily by that time dhuumfire was close to be dead. Few month later (2015) we had HoT release and was Necro/Thief invasion all over again...with busted **Deathly Chill** and **Daredevil s/d** which at release was basically the perfect duellist with no counters....life was really miserable in PvP and wvw with reapers running amok spamming Deathly chill and DD s/d thieves turning roaming in a living nightmare. I mean c'mon...with necro and thief we always gravitate from a state of Broken OP to mild /soft countered state. Thieves and necro play too much the victim card when in a way or another, they always receive some unfun mechanic to fight against....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arheundel.6451 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > @"bravan.3876" said: > > No balance changes today... feelsbadman > > TBH we have been scammed with those "quick" changes, I dont really see them, since the big patch we had only parody nerfs > fb nerf was a joke > ranger nerf was a joke > necro nerf was a joke > LR nerf was enitire circus lol You'd think the devs nerfed mesmer after reading whine posts on the forum and not after careful data analysis ....no company is about to bend over and nerf everything down to the ground as per request of some unhappy player, who proceed to write a wall of text on the forum every time they lose their 1v1, a wall of text based mostly on anecdotal evidence and hyperbole which paramount to flat out lies Mesmer was nerfed based on broken ill designed mechanics like **ChronoPhantasma and Infinite Horizon** ....mesmer was not nerfed because some bronze lord wrote on the forum : "Mesmer too hard to fight" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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