Shiyo.3578 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Holosmith should absolutely not be a bruiser, it does thief level burst and has the 3rd best mobility in the game(not counting rev since it needs a target). It's a roamer. It needs to lose tons of sustain to reflect this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApaWanka.2698 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Grenades are not the problem, because grenades don’t shine on Core or Scrapper, so the problem is somewhere else. The problem that some people mention is only related to a certain build but.... It have a strong burst YES (as a thief someone mention before?) but not even close scape tools (as ports), so after engage holo need some sustain to do their damage and survive the battle... Additionally Did someone realise that to generate those spikes, the holo needs to go berserker amulet? That it only do the massive damage when the holo is full red? (Telegraphed) Without almost any condi cleanse? Is an strong build? YES ... but is not oppressive because have a clear counter play and it is really predictable (if you see a reaper go to shroud, you keep the distance, the same way if you se an holo go red do the same). If you burst it with condition is dead after use Elixir S. Just to understand how it works and play around it. PD Yes I play engi however I’m not a fan on this build but I understand how it works to fight it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiyo.3578 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Grenader Holosmith has enough condi cleanse(actually condi converted to boons, much, much stronger) and can slot more if it's really overrun with conditions. It is not helpless vs conditions at all. https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Prismatic_Converter + https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Enhanced_Capacity_Storage_Unit + Cleansing sigil + https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Transmute This is more condition cleanse than most, if not all classes take In PvP, and you get it from your DPS/survival tree(alchemy) and your main elite tree. Do not complain about conditions as a holosmith. Berserker amulet is irrelevant because you have 36s CD aoe stealth, an invul, and a shield block. You are not a free kill. You also have some of, if not the highest burst in the entire game. Other classes could only DREAM of doing the amount of burst you do while using a zerker amulet - they also don't get the obscene amount of sustain and survivability your class gets for practically free while wearing one. Grenades do not have a very noticable graphic, they are basically invisible and incredibly hard to see in the midst of battle. It's very obvious you are a holosmith and engineer main. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApaWanka.2698 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Yes, I play engi (I’ve said so) and that is why I understand their weakness :) I’ve wrote a long text explaining why the grenade holo condi cleanse works and their weakness for not being on demand that make them weak against condi BURST (not sustained condi) where block/invi/prismatic converter don’t work fine.... but I realise that I don’t really care. Your text shows that you didn’t even try to play the build to find the weak points so I don’t care to explain why. Before I’ve just try to guide some people about how to defeat that build (that I don’t play) Apart from that I don’t need/want to defend the build because the holo complains It’s been like this for years and now It’s just become boring to debate. If someone try to kill a grenade holo, try those tips... if you just want to complain about holo in forums instead of try to Understand how to defeat them, it’s fine. :) Have fun!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 > @"Shiyo.3578" said: > Holosmith should absolutely not be a bruiser, it does thief level burst and has the 3rd best mobility in the game(not counting rev since it needs a target). It's a roamer. It needs to lose tons of sustain to reflect this. > I mean, *every* class does "thief level burst". Thief level burst is absolutely pathetic at this point. Were talking about 4k backstabs here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YaminoNakani.7083 Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 I honestly don't mind the high sustain, leaps, super speed, high burst and sustained AOE DPS, high defense, blocks, invulnerability, reflect, active and passive CCs, combo field spam, inhibiting conditions, and stealth but at the very least the blind spam needs to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossun.2046 Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 are you in the arena standing between the afk people, hitting them all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wevh.2903 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 > @"hotte in space.2158" said: > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > >this kitten kills me in actual games > you are not the only one ;) I dont even go in 1v1 with holo anymore because most of them kill me, and in the rare cases when I manage to pressure them > they just escape ezepeze with invulnerable and stealth. > good holo = you are dead pretty fast > mediocre holo = you are dead soon > bad holo = an even and fair fight > > A sure prove that a class/spec is overperforming is when even the bad ones are dangerous ! If ur ranger main maybe is your fault to not know how to duel nade holos :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wevh.2903 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 > @"Shiyo.3578" said: > Grenader Holosmith has enough condi cleanse(actually condi converted to boons, much, much stronger) and can slot more if it's really overrun with conditions. It is not helpless vs conditions at all. > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Prismatic_Converter + https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Enhanced_Capacity_Storage_Unit + Cleansing sigil + https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Transmute > > This is more condition cleanse than most, if not all classes take In PvP, and you get it from your DPS/survival tree(alchemy) and your main elite tree. > Do not complain about conditions as a holosmith. > > Berserker amulet is irrelevant because you have 36s CD aoe stealth, an invul, and a shield block. You are not a free kill. You also have some of, if not the highest burst in the entire game. > Other classes could only DREAM of doing the amount of burst you do while using a zerker amulet - they also don't get the obscene amount of sustain and survivability your class gets for practically free while wearing one. > > Grenades do not have a very noticable graphic, they are basically invisible and incredibly hard to see in the midst of battle. > > It's very obvious you are a holosmith and engineer main. Alchemy trait is nerfed af sir , dunno why u link the pve version of the trait ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodama.6453 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 > @"wevh.2903" said: > > @"Shiyo.3578" said: > > Grenader Holosmith has enough condi cleanse(actually condi converted to boons, much, much stronger) and can slot more if it's really overrun with conditions. It is not helpless vs conditions at all. > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Prismatic_Converter + https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Enhanced_Capacity_Storage_Unit + Cleansing sigil + https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Transmute > > > > This is more condition cleanse than most, if not all classes take In PvP, and you get it from your DPS/survival tree(alchemy) and your main elite tree. > > Do not complain about conditions as a holosmith. > > > > Berserker amulet is irrelevant because you have 36s CD aoe stealth, an invul, and a shield block. You are not a free kill. You also have some of, if not the highest burst in the entire game. > > Other classes could only DREAM of doing the amount of burst you do while using a zerker amulet - they also don't get the obscene amount of sustain and survivability your class gets for practically free while wearing one. > > > > Grenades do not have a very noticable graphic, they are basically invisible and incredibly hard to see in the midst of battle. > > > > It's very obvious you are a holosmith and engineer main. > > Alchemy trait is nerfed af sir , dunno why u link the pve version of the trait ^^ Because Shiyo hates engineer with a passion. Not the first time that they are spreading false information to make the engineer look stronger than they actually are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanbin.2436 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 anybody defending nade holo right now is delusional heat 100%+ -> shield 4 -> barrage it's braindead design and retarded dmg, again anybody who is defending this class design is utterly delusional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiyo.3578 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 > @"wevh.2903" said: > > @"Shiyo.3578" said: > > Grenader Holosmith has enough condi cleanse(actually condi converted to boons, much, much stronger) and can slot more if it's really overrun with conditions. It is not helpless vs conditions at all. > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Prismatic_Converter + https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Enhanced_Capacity_Storage_Unit + Cleansing sigil + https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Transmute > > > > This is more condition cleanse than most, if not all classes take In PvP, and you get it from your DPS/survival tree(alchemy) and your main elite tree. > > Do not complain about conditions as a holosmith. > > > > Berserker amulet is irrelevant because you have 36s CD aoe stealth, an invul, and a shield block. You are not a free kill. You also have some of, if not the highest burst in the entire game. > > Other classes could only DREAM of doing the amount of burst you do while using a zerker amulet - they also don't get the obscene amount of sustain and survivability your class gets for practically free while wearing one. > > > > Grenades do not have a very noticable graphic, they are basically invisible and incredibly hard to see in the midst of battle. > > > > It's very obvious you are a holosmith and engineer main. > > Alchemy trait is nerfed af sir , dunno why u link the pve version of the trait ^^ You can click the PvP version. I know it's nerfed, it still exists. If you are dying to condis as a holosmith, it's a player issue and not a class issue. Holosmith is the strongest class in the game right now in PvP. > @"iKagura.1903" said: > anybody defending nade holo right now is delusional > > heat 100%+ -> shield 4 -> barrage > > it's braindead design and kitten dmg, again anybody who is defending this class design is utterly delusional Eng players have defended their class since Alpha. I remember having to fight against getting Turret Eng gutted, lol. Such a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmo.3468 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 > @"Chaith.8256" said: > Mass emotional hysteria has been reached, raise your hand if you have played Engineer before and have tried to get value out of this on-Heal damage > > The reason why Holo is trending hard & topping DPS meters in PvP has nothing to do with this trait. Anyone who believes this trait's damage is good as a rule and not an extreme exception, look around the room - ex; trait combos like: **Enhanced Capacity Storage Unit & Laser's Edge** with any high damage toolbelt skill. > > This. Enough crybabies who don't even understand how the class works, but they surely know better how to "fix" the class, by making it utterly useless and farmable. Go back to your 3 key rotations... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiyo.3578 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 I am so bored of holosmiths running around 2 shotting my teammates with grenades at this point. if nothing is done to this class next update I am done, and I am sure lots of people agree with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrForz.1953 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 > @"Shiyo.3578" said: > I am so bored of holosmiths running around 2 shotting my teammates with grenades at this point. if nothing is done to this class next update I am done, and I am sure lots of people agree with me. Don't forget to give away your stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 > @"Shiyo.3578" said: > Holosmith is the strongest class in the game right now in PvP. When this is the case, I am curious why it's not noticably stronger than anything else in roaming/dueling WvW. Most PvP builds follow suit in smallscale, often giving up roflstomp damage in favor of more cleanse. But there are few holos seen and even less that are actually good at it. When you do see one, they rarely carry grenades. They might use grenades in zerging, but there people run scrapper - where according to OP *"grenades don’t shine on Core or Scrapper"*. Why is it so much stronger in PvP? Why is the holo such a special case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiyo.3578 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Holosmith is the strongest build in any pvp. Stealth/superspeed for free disengage. Shield block Invul Tons of sustain Passive every boon in the game Passive 25 might Tons of RANGED burst higher than sic'em soulbeast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wevh.2903 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 > @"Shiyo.3578" said: > > @"wevh.2903" said: > > > @"Shiyo.3578" said: > > > Grenader Holosmith has enough condi cleanse(actually condi converted to boons, much, much stronger) and can slot more if it's really overrun with conditions. It is not helpless vs conditions at all. > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Prismatic_Converter + https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Enhanced_Capacity_Storage_Unit + Cleansing sigil + https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Transmute > > > > > > This is more condition cleanse than most, if not all classes take In PvP, and you get it from your DPS/survival tree(alchemy) and your main elite tree. > > > Do not complain about conditions as a holosmith. > > > > > > Berserker amulet is irrelevant because you have 36s CD aoe stealth, an invul, and a shield block. You are not a free kill. You also have some of, if not the highest burst in the entire game. > > > Other classes could only DREAM of doing the amount of burst you do while using a zerker amulet - they also don't get the obscene amount of sustain and survivability your class gets for practically free while wearing one. > > > > > > Grenades do not have a very noticable graphic, they are basically invisible and incredibly hard to see in the midst of battle. > > > > > > It's very obvious you are a holosmith and engineer main. > > > > Alchemy trait is nerfed af sir , dunno why u link the pve version of the trait ^^ > > You can click the PvP version. I know it's nerfed, it still exists. If you are dying to condis as a holosmith, it's a player issue and not a class issue. Holosmith is the strongest class in the game right now in PvP. > > > @"iKagura.1903" said: > > anybody defending nade holo right now is delusional > > > > heat 100%+ -> shield 4 -> barrage > > > > it's braindead design and kitten dmg, again anybody who is defending this class design is utterly delusional > > Eng players have defended their class since Alpha. I remember having to fight against getting Turret Eng gutted, lol. Such a joke. Nades holo is not the strongest duelist sir also u r taking a 100s cd two condi removal trait to justify ur arguments xdd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wevh.2903 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 > @"Dawdler.8521" said: > > @"Shiyo.3578" said: > > Holosmith is the strongest class in the game right now in PvP. > When this is the case, I am curious why it's not noticably stronger than anything else in roaming/dueling WvW. > > Most PvP builds follow suit in smallscale, often giving up roflstomp damage in favor of more cleanse. But there are few holos seen and even less that are actually good at it. When you do see one, they rarely carry grenades. They might use grenades in zerging, but there people run scrapper - where according to OP *"grenades don’t shine on Core or Scrapper"*. > > Why is it so much stronger in PvP? > > Why is the holo such a special case? Wvw has lot more dmg than pvp while having stuff not nerfed like ranger stances . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiyo.3578 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 > @"wevh.2903" said: > > @"Shiyo.3578" said: > > > @"wevh.2903" said: > > > > @"Shiyo.3578" said: > > > > Grenader Holosmith has enough condi cleanse(actually condi converted to boons, much, much stronger) and can slot more if it's really overrun with conditions. It is not helpless vs conditions at all. > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Prismatic_Converter + https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Enhanced_Capacity_Storage_Unit + Cleansing sigil + https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Transmute > > > > > > > > This is more condition cleanse than most, if not all classes take In PvP, and you get it from your DPS/survival tree(alchemy) and your main elite tree. > > > > Do not complain about conditions as a holosmith. > > > > > > > > Berserker amulet is irrelevant because you have 36s CD aoe stealth, an invul, and a shield block. You are not a free kill. You also have some of, if not the highest burst in the entire game. > > > > Other classes could only DREAM of doing the amount of burst you do while using a zerker amulet - they also don't get the obscene amount of sustain and survivability your class gets for practically free while wearing one. > > > > > > > > Grenades do not have a very noticable graphic, they are basically invisible and incredibly hard to see in the midst of battle. > > > > > > > > It's very obvious you are a holosmith and engineer main. > > > > > > Alchemy trait is nerfed af sir , dunno why u link the pve version of the trait ^^ > > > > You can click the PvP version. I know it's nerfed, it still exists. If you are dying to condis as a holosmith, it's a player issue and not a class issue. Holosmith is the strongest class in the game right now in PvP. > > > > > @"iKagura.1903" said: > > > anybody defending nade holo right now is delusional > > > > > > heat 100%+ -> shield 4 -> barrage > > > > > > it's braindead design and kitten dmg, again anybody who is defending this class design is utterly delusional > > > > Eng players have defended their class since Alpha. I remember having to fight against getting Turret Eng gutted, lol. Such a joke. > > Nades holo is not the strongest duelist sir also u r taking a 100s cd two condi removal trait to justify ur arguments xdd Eng players are basically the only people defending holosmith's current state. Pretty much the entire player base EXCEPT eng players think holosmith is busted beyond belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 > @"Dawdler.8521" said: > > @"Shiyo.3578" said: > > Holosmith is the strongest class in the game right now in PvP. > When this is the case, I am curious why it's not noticably stronger than anything else in roaming/dueling WvW. > > Most PvP builds follow suit in smallscale, often giving up roflstomp damage in favor of more cleanse. But there are few holos seen and even less that are actually good at it. When you do see one, they rarely carry grenades. They might use grenades in zerging, but there people run scrapper - where according to OP *"grenades don’t shine on Core or Scrapper"*. > > Why is it so much stronger in PvP? > > Why is the holo such a special case? stat scaling. dps classes cant afford to take toughness in pvp, so holo 1shots their asses. tanky classes cant afford to take much dps, so holo outsustains them. in wvw the raw stats you get lets you dip into both. sec thing, in wvw you have much of open terrain and not much kiting, in pvp nades hit through walls, floor and can be thrown behind, giving holo extra edge over others. And the more stats you have the less valuable might is in comparison, if 20 might that holo rocks in pvp is ~20% more dmg for them, then 20 might in wvw might be more akin to 15% damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wevh.2903 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 > @"Shiyo.3578" said: > > @"wevh.2903" said: > > > @"Shiyo.3578" said: > > > > @"wevh.2903" said: > > > > > @"Shiyo.3578" said: > > > > > Grenader Holosmith has enough condi cleanse(actually condi converted to boons, much, much stronger) and can slot more if it's really overrun with conditions. It is not helpless vs conditions at all. > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Prismatic_Converter + https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Enhanced_Capacity_Storage_Unit + Cleansing sigil + https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Transmute > > > > > > > > > > This is more condition cleanse than most, if not all classes take In PvP, and you get it from your DPS/survival tree(alchemy) and your main elite tree. > > > > > Do not complain about conditions as a holosmith. > > > > > > > > > > Berserker amulet is irrelevant because you have 36s CD aoe stealth, an invul, and a shield block. You are not a free kill. You also have some of, if not the highest burst in the entire game. > > > > > Other classes could only DREAM of doing the amount of burst you do while using a zerker amulet - they also don't get the obscene amount of sustain and survivability your class gets for practically free while wearing one. > > > > > > > > > > Grenades do not have a very noticable graphic, they are basically invisible and incredibly hard to see in the midst of battle. > > > > > > > > > > It's very obvious you are a holosmith and engineer main. > > > > > > > > Alchemy trait is nerfed af sir , dunno why u link the pve version of the trait ^^ > > > > > > You can click the PvP version. I know it's nerfed, it still exists. If you are dying to condis as a holosmith, it's a player issue and not a class issue. Holosmith is the strongest class in the game right now in PvP. > > > > > > > @"iKagura.1903" said: > > > > anybody defending nade holo right now is delusional > > > > > > > > heat 100%+ -> shield 4 -> barrage > > > > > > > > it's braindead design and kitten dmg, again anybody who is defending this class design is utterly delusional > > > > > > Eng players have defended their class since Alpha. I remember having to fight against getting Turret Eng gutted, lol. Such a joke. > > > > Nades holo is not the strongest duelist sir also u r taking a 100s cd two condi removal trait to justify ur arguments xdd > > Eng players are basically the only people defending holosmith's current state. Pretty much the entire player base EXCEPT eng players think holosmith is busted beyond belief. > Im ranger main and ofc nades are defenitely busted but that buid prevents tank sidenoder meta to be a thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 > @"wevh.2903" said: > > @"Dawdler.8521" said: > > > @"Shiyo.3578" said: > > > Holosmith is the strongest class in the game right now in PvP. > > When this is the case, I am curious why it's not noticably stronger than anything else in roaming/dueling WvW. > > > > Most PvP builds follow suit in smallscale, often giving up roflstomp damage in favor of more cleanse. But there are few holos seen and even less that are actually good at it. When you do see one, they rarely carry grenades. They might use grenades in zerging, but there people run scrapper - where according to OP *"grenades don’t shine on Core or Scrapper"*. > > > > Why is it so much stronger in PvP? > > > > Why is the holo such a special case? > > Wvw has lot more dmg than pvp while having stuff not nerfed like ranger stances . So it's classes other than the holo thats responsible? > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > @"Dawdler.8521" said: > > > @"Shiyo.3578" said: > > > Holosmith is the strongest class in the game right now in PvP. > > When this is the case, I am curious why it's not noticably stronger than anything else in roaming/dueling WvW. > > > > Most PvP builds follow suit in smallscale, often giving up roflstomp damage in favor of more cleanse. But there are few holos seen and even less that are actually good at it. When you do see one, they rarely carry grenades. They might use grenades in zerging, but there people run scrapper - where according to OP *"grenades don’t shine on Core or Scrapper"*. > > > > Why is it so much stronger in PvP? > > > > Why is the holo such a special case? > > stat scaling. > dps classes cant afford to take toughness in pvp, so holo 1shots their kitten. tanky classes cant afford to take much dps, so holo outsustains them. > in wvw the raw stats you get lets you dip into both. > sec thing, in wvw you have much of open terrain and not much kiting, in pvp nades hit through walls, floor and can be thrown behind, giving holo extra edge over others. > And the more stats you have the less valuable might is in comparison, if 20 might that holo rocks in pvp is ~20% more dmg for them, then 20 might in wvw might be more akin to 15% damage. And it's the stats and design of the maps thats responsible? Hm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 > @"Dawdler.8521" said: > > @"wevh.2903" said: > > > @"Dawdler.8521" said: > > > > @"Shiyo.3578" said: > > > > Holosmith is the strongest class in the game right now in PvP. > > > When this is the case, I am curious why it's not noticably stronger than anything else in roaming/dueling WvW. > > > > > > Most PvP builds follow suit in smallscale, often giving up roflstomp damage in favor of more cleanse. But there are few holos seen and even less that are actually good at it. When you do see one, they rarely carry grenades. They might use grenades in zerging, but there people run scrapper - where according to OP *"grenades don’t shine on Core or Scrapper"*. > > > > > > Why is it so much stronger in PvP? > > > > > > Why is the holo such a special case? > > > > Wvw has lot more dmg than pvp while having stuff not nerfed like ranger stances . > So it's classes other than the holo thats responsible? > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > > @"Dawdler.8521" said: > > > > @"Shiyo.3578" said: > > > > Holosmith is the strongest class in the game right now in PvP. > > > When this is the case, I am curious why it's not noticably stronger than anything else in roaming/dueling WvW. > > > > > > Most PvP builds follow suit in smallscale, often giving up roflstomp damage in favor of more cleanse. But there are few holos seen and even less that are actually good at it. When you do see one, they rarely carry grenades. They might use grenades in zerging, but there people run scrapper - where according to OP *"grenades don’t shine on Core or Scrapper"*. > > > > > > Why is it so much stronger in PvP? > > > > > > Why is the holo such a special case? > > > > stat scaling. > > dps classes cant afford to take toughness in pvp, so holo 1shots their kitten. tanky classes cant afford to take much dps, so holo outsustains them. > > in wvw the raw stats you get lets you dip into both. > > sec thing, in wvw you have much of open terrain and not much kiting, in pvp nades hit through walls, floor and can be thrown behind, giving holo extra edge over others. > > And the more stats you have the less valuable might is in comparison, if 20 might that holo rocks in pvp is ~20% more dmg for them, then 20 might in wvw might be more akin to 15% damage. > And it's the stats and design of the maps thats responsible? > > Hm. I will give you example you duel 1v1 a holo on far. If he loses he jumps on the pad and 95% of the time you cant do squat about it and he heals to full and returns to fight. If he wins he bursts you down to kill you or just drop you low, if you jump on the pad he just blasts grenades upwards and you die anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiyo.3578 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > @"Dawdler.8521" said: > > > @"wevh.2903" said: > > > > @"Dawdler.8521" said: > > > > > @"Shiyo.3578" said: > > > > > Holosmith is the strongest class in the game right now in PvP. > > > > When this is the case, I am curious why it's not noticably stronger than anything else in roaming/dueling WvW. > > > > > > > > Most PvP builds follow suit in smallscale, often giving up roflstomp damage in favor of more cleanse. But there are few holos seen and even less that are actually good at it. When you do see one, they rarely carry grenades. They might use grenades in zerging, but there people run scrapper - where according to OP *"grenades don’t shine on Core or Scrapper"*. > > > > > > > > Why is it so much stronger in PvP? > > > > > > > > Why is the holo such a special case? > > > > > > Wvw has lot more dmg than pvp while having stuff not nerfed like ranger stances . > > So it's classes other than the holo thats responsible? > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > > > @"Dawdler.8521" said: > > > > > @"Shiyo.3578" said: > > > > > Holosmith is the strongest class in the game right now in PvP. > > > > When this is the case, I am curious why it's not noticably stronger than anything else in roaming/dueling WvW. > > > > > > > > Most PvP builds follow suit in smallscale, often giving up roflstomp damage in favor of more cleanse. But there are few holos seen and even less that are actually good at it. When you do see one, they rarely carry grenades. They might use grenades in zerging, but there people run scrapper - where according to OP *"grenades don’t shine on Core or Scrapper"*. > > > > > > > > Why is it so much stronger in PvP? > > > > > > > > Why is the holo such a special case? > > > > > > stat scaling. > > > dps classes cant afford to take toughness in pvp, so holo 1shots their kitten. tanky classes cant afford to take much dps, so holo outsustains them. > > > in wvw the raw stats you get lets you dip into both. > > > sec thing, in wvw you have much of open terrain and not much kiting, in pvp nades hit through walls, floor and can be thrown behind, giving holo extra edge over others. > > > And the more stats you have the less valuable might is in comparison, if 20 might that holo rocks in pvp is ~20% more dmg for them, then 20 might in wvw might be more akin to 15% damage. > > And it's the stats and design of the maps thats responsible? > > > > Hm. > > I will give you example you duel 1v1 a holo on far. If he loses he jumps on the pad and 95% of the time you cant do squat about it and he heals to full and returns to fight. > If he wins he bursts you down to kill you or just drop you low, if you jump on the pad he just blasts grenades upwards and you die anyways Holo and tempest are the only classes that can run away, stealth, then full heal while in combat. Difference is a pure DPS tempest gets farmed by revs and thieves while a holosmith farms revs and thieves and is still a tank to take down while using a zerker amulet. I don't understand why Holosmith kept it's absurd sustain while NO OTHER CLASS besides a HEALER(tempest) did. Not even druids or firebrands full heal if they kite away...and firebrand kiting away, lol. As absurd as rangers survival is, protect me's barrier doesn't make it's health go up so it doesn't run away then full heal like a holosmith, either. Honestly, holosmith should have 11k HP more than ele or guardian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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