Katelynn.6593 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 I don't know if anyone else has had the experience of a normal non-core level 80 enemy, with literally no special regenerative properties constantly regenerating to 100% health. Which apparently means they've been pulled out of leash range. But apparently you, fighting for your life in the downed position still gets to be attacked and lose health and even pressing 4 doesn't save you. Yet you can't do anything to them. Multiple NPCs playing ping pong with my body, suffocating me with conditions, and making sure that every second I fight is in an AoE is frustrating but I don't see it as unfair, because I know if I get better at the game. I'll be the one leaving that situation alive. Not them. But the first paragraph feels unfair. I don't know why that feels more unfair than being ganged up on by a mob of ten lol. But it just does. Anyway sorry for the soft rant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danikat.8537 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 > @"Katelynn.6593" said: > I don't know if anyone else has had the experience of a normal non-core level 80 enemy, with literally no special regenerative properties constantly regenerating to 100% health. Which apparently means they've been pulled out of leash range. But apparently you, fighting for your life in the downed position still gets to be attacked and lose health and even pressing 4 doesn't save you. Yet you can't do anything to them. > > Multiple NPCs playing ping pong with my body, suffocating me with conditions, and making sure that every second I fight is in an AoE is frustrating but I don't see it as unfair, because I know if I get better at the game. I'll be the one leaving that situation alive. Not them. > > But the first paragraph feels unfair. I don't know why that feels more unfair than being ganged up on by a mob of ten lol. But it just does. > > Anyway sorry for the soft rant. Are you by any chance on a different level to the enemy when this happens? For example standing on a rock or on a lower platform? That's when I've seen this happen - an enemy is attacking me as normal but when I hit them back they instantly regenerate to 100%. If I move so we're on the same surface, or at least somewhere the enemy could run around and reach me without jumping (which they can't do) I'm able to damage them. (Of course you can't do that when you're downed, but if you notice that you're not doing damage, or it's healing instantly, before getting downed you can move to correct it.) I'm not sure exactly what's going on but it seems like the way the game determines that an enemy is 'out of combat' and their health should regenerate is different to how the AI determines what that enemy can and should attack. If they're not so far from their spawn point that they automatically run back they'll stay and fight, but if the game thinks you're no where near them because you're in an inaccessible place their health will regenerate. It can happen in core maps too but it's much rarer because there's fewer places players can reach and fight from which enemies can't get to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solanum.6983 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 I believe that happens when an enemy can't find a path to your character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandamanno.4136 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Imagine how the mobs in the game feel. Slaughtered by the millions by unkillable PC's that easily take them on 10:1, while dealing massive AoE damage and healing constantly and even if you manage to down them they can be rezzed by a friend or even rez themselves! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katelynn.6593 Posted August 13, 2020 Author Share Posted August 13, 2020 > @"Solanum.6983" said: > I believe that happens when an enemy can't find a path to your character. If only it's attack also can't find a path lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katelynn.6593 Posted August 13, 2020 Author Share Posted August 13, 2020 > @"Danikat.8537" said: > > @"Katelynn.6593" said: > > I don't know if anyone else has had the experience of a normal non-core level 80 enemy, with literally no special regenerative properties constantly regenerating to 100% health. Which apparently means they've been pulled out of leash range. But apparently you, fighting for your life in the downed position still gets to be attacked and lose health and even pressing 4 doesn't save you. Yet you can't do anything to them. > > > > Multiple NPCs playing ping pong with my body, suffocating me with conditions, and making sure that every second I fight is in an AoE is frustrating but I don't see it as unfair, because I know if I get better at the game. I'll be the one leaving that situation alive. Not them. > > > > But the first paragraph feels unfair. I don't know why that feels more unfair than being ganged up on by a mob of ten lol. But it just does. > > > > Anyway sorry for the soft rant. > > Are you by any chance on a different level to the enemy when this happens? For example standing on a rock or on a lower platform? That's when I've seen this happen - an enemy is attacking me as normal but when I hit them back they instantly regenerate to 100%. If I move so we're on the same surface, or at least somewhere the enemy could run around and reach me without jumping (which they can't do) I'm able to damage them. (Of course you can't do that when you're downed, but if you notice that you're not doing damage, or it's healing instantly, before getting downed you can move to correct it.) > > I'm not sure exactly what's going on but it seems like the way the game determines that an enemy is 'out of combat' and their health should regenerate is different to how the AI determines what that enemy can and should attack. If they're not so far from their spawn point that they automatically run back they'll stay and fight, but if the game thinks you're no where near them because you're in an inaccessible place their health will regenerate. It can happen in core maps too but it's much rarer because there's fewer places players can reach and fight from which enemies can't get to. I was on sorta uneven terrain. I wouldn't say on a complete different story to the enemy, but ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrHome.1920 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 This a bug I have encountered maybe 3 times in 8 years of GW2. Is it really worth to open a thread because of this? If this happen to you at a higher frequency, then may I ask if there are some failed enemy kiting exploits on your side involved or how is this possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galmac.4680 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Really nice is, when you are in downstate, and find a npc near to to rally up. And he attacks you, and you attack back, but you can't because of a grass leaf in your way. So he attacks you to death and you can't do anything against this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBullWings.2734 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Sounds like you entered path of fire maps and got tossed every freaking centimeter along the way by 9billion-range mobs. I feel you bro. Elite specs powercrept us insanely and since heart of thorns they have been creating interresting mobs, but they go down so easily that they don't know how to balance it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDan.4759 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 > @"naiasonod.9265" said: > > They have no idea how to challenge players Not quite. Every sliver of challenge results in people getting angry that the game is too difficult. The devs have no possiblity to add challenge because the average player can't handle enemy npcs that actually fight back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khisanth.2948 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 > @"Danikat.8537" said: > > @"Katelynn.6593" said: > > I don't know if anyone else has had the experience of a normal non-core level 80 enemy, with literally no special regenerative properties constantly regenerating to 100% health. Which apparently means they've been pulled out of leash range. But apparently you, fighting for your life in the downed position still gets to be attacked and lose health and even pressing 4 doesn't save you. Yet you can't do anything to them. > > > > Multiple NPCs playing ping pong with my body, suffocating me with conditions, and making sure that every second I fight is in an AoE is frustrating but I don't see it as unfair, because I know if I get better at the game. I'll be the one leaving that situation alive. Not them. > > > > But the first paragraph feels unfair. I don't know why that feels more unfair than being ganged up on by a mob of ten lol. But it just does. > > > > Anyway sorry for the soft rant. > > Are you by any chance on a different level to the enemy when this happens? For example standing on a rock or on a lower platform? That's when I've seen this happen - an enemy is attacking me as normal but when I hit them back they instantly regenerate to 100%. If I move so we're on the same surface, or at least somewhere the enemy could run around and reach me without jumping (which they can't do) I'm able to damage them. (Of course you can't do that when you're downed, but if you notice that you're not doing damage, or it's healing instantly, before getting downed you can move to correct it.) There is another situation that can happen ... for some mobs when reaching their leash range they don't run back until you stop moving so if you keep running they keep chasing but as soon as you pause a bit they run back. Also never seen anything **instantly** regen. It has always been a fast regen but in some cases it is still possible to out damage that regen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keenedge.9675 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 > @"Katelynn.6593" said: > > @"Solanum.6983" said: > > I believe that happens when an enemy can't find a path to your character. > > If only it's attack also can't find a path lol My ranger can reliably select and target next enemy as the one downstairs or behind a wall INSTEAD OF THE ONE MY PET IS ATTACKING NEXT TO ME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katelynn.6593 Posted August 14, 2020 Author Share Posted August 14, 2020 > @"keenedge.9675" said: > > @"Katelynn.6593" said: > > > @"Solanum.6983" said: > > > I believe that happens when an enemy can't find a path to your character. > > > > If only it's attack also can't find a path lol > > My ranger can reliably select and target next enemy as the one downstairs or behind a wall INSTEAD OF THE ONE MY PET IS ATTACKING NEXT TO ME. Oh my gods, I know right. Like what even does closest enemy mean in this game haha. Sometimes it's not what you would expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katelynn.6593 Posted August 14, 2020 Author Share Posted August 14, 2020 > @"Khisanth.2948" said: > > @"Danikat.8537" said: > > > @"Katelynn.6593" said: > > > I don't know if anyone else has had the experience of a normal non-core level 80 enemy, with literally no special regenerative properties constantly regenerating to 100% health. Which apparently means they've been pulled out of leash range. But apparently you, fighting for your life in the downed position still gets to be attacked and lose health and even pressing 4 doesn't save you. Yet you can't do anything to them. > > > > > > Multiple NPCs playing ping pong with my body, suffocating me with conditions, and making sure that every second I fight is in an AoE is frustrating but I don't see it as unfair, because I know if I get better at the game. I'll be the one leaving that situation alive. Not them. > > > > > > But the first paragraph feels unfair. I don't know why that feels more unfair than being ganged up on by a mob of ten lol. But it just does. > > > > > > Anyway sorry for the soft rant. > > > > Are you by any chance on a different level to the enemy when this happens? For example standing on a rock or on a lower platform? That's when I've seen this happen - an enemy is attacking me as normal but when I hit them back they instantly regenerate to 100%. If I move so we're on the same surface, or at least somewhere the enemy could run around and reach me without jumping (which they can't do) I'm able to damage them. (Of course you can't do that when you're downed, but if you notice that you're not doing damage, or it's healing instantly, before getting downed you can move to correct it.) > > There is another situation that can happen ... for some mobs when reaching their leash range they don't run back until you stop moving so if you keep running they keep chasing but as soon as you pause a bit they run back. > > Also never seen anything **instantly** regen. It has always been a fast regen but in some cases it is still possible to out damage that regen. > I think that is the case. But probably not with down skill one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katelynn.6593 Posted August 14, 2020 Author Share Posted August 14, 2020 > @"DirtyDan.4759" said: > > @"naiasonod.9265" said: > > > > > They have no idea how to challenge players > > Not quite. Every sliver of challenge results in people getting angry that the game is too difficult. The devs have no possiblity to add challenge because the average player can't handle enemy npcs that actually fight back. Fight back? They attack us first :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katelynn.6593 Posted August 14, 2020 Author Share Posted August 14, 2020 > @"BlackBullWings.2734" said: > Sounds like you entered path of fire maps and got tossed every freaking centimeter along the way by 9billion-range mobs. > I feel you bro. > > Elite specs powercrept us insanely and since heart of thorns they have been creating interresting mobs, but they go down so easily that they don't know how to balance it The fact you immediately knew what map it was says a lot about that map lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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