Master Childman.2135 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 It really annoys me to see groups of players abandoning their characters somewhere in the game to do farming activities using blatantly botting systems. If these players don't feel like playing, please ditch GW2 immediately and go elsewhere. The real victim of this illegal system is the profession itself. At this moment almost all botting players are using the necromancer (minions master version) for their unlawful farming activities. Sooner or later ArenaNet will intervene to block this lousy activity by altering the skills of the necromancer profession. We've all seen what happened to the Engineer turrets (the first profession used for farming in botting mode). This anger arises after seeing a group of losers (because this is the only kind term I can think of to define them) engaged in farming at Southsun Cove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashantara.8731 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 You mean botting, not booting. "Booting players" means "kicking players from you group". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inculpatus cedo.9234 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Oh! Lol. Could not fathom why it was called 'booting'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfyrik.2017 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 I always report them. No idea if anything comes of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teratus.2859 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Kittens me off as well. I've loved the Necromancer profession in this franchise for almost 15 years.. my first character in Gw1 was a Necromancer and in Gw2 I use them very often as a second main and have a good few of them. Minions are also one of my favourite class mechanics in this game and I am heavily invested in them on a few builds. This fear that Minions will end up being gutted and completely destroyed because of these AFK farmers is something I have expressed many many times on the forums and in game as an argument for why this should not be allowed. Problem is though they are at least for the most part NOT! botting.. AFK farming is done through in game abilities, setting Greatsword 4 to autocast and leaving yourself idle with minions active.. this isn't technically botting and it's the main reason it's so difficult to punish these players. They just need to sit at their computer and occasionally type in chat if contacted and nothing will be done about them, It doesn't matter if they're not actively playing the game which is where I strongly disagree with people who defend them. If you're not actively playing the game then you shouldn't be able to be rewarded as if you were.. this to me is no different than using bots so I really don't see a difference between these Minion Master farmers and those using Bot, even though technically they are different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pareth.3847 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 I don't know whether these lazy kittens are still doing this in starter areas, but I remember that I once had issues with completing a heart in a region because there was a dozen of these in various locations just around that one heart. I forgot where it was, but it really was annoying. It would be so easy for anet to check these out, watch them for a few minutes and then do something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercury ranique.2170 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 First to set some things straight. You call it illegal activities. This is not the case. Based on the User agreement, they made a policy that is pretty straight forward. - You have to be present at the keyboard. You are not allowed to use any macro's to automate. One key-click/mouseclick should result in one actin as designed by Arenanet. This means that auto farming using a automated attack key (which is a function present in the game) and minions/turrets/clones/pets/etc is perfectly allowed. Even if you do not actively play your character. You are not allowed to automate things beyond what Arenanet has made available. For example. A guildleader of mine who isn't currently playing, used to farm this way while folding laundry, cooking, etc. But she always had the laptop next to her. To verify wether or not you are actively present, you need to be able to respond to a PM by a GM. If not you will get booted and recieve a warning. The guildleader I was speaking about would get about 2-3 pm's from GM's each week. Afterwards she also saw a lot of fellow-farmers dissappear (meaning these farmers where not present and able to respond to the GM. So how to handle this as a player. PM the person. As you are not a GM, they are not obliged to respond, but if they do not respond, just report them and a GM will investigate. Be cafrefull to jump to conclusions. I always ask something like: "Hey, I noticed you are AFK-farming. Are you here?". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Childman.2135 Posted November 26, 2020 Author Share Posted November 26, 2020 I visited Southsun Cove today and found it free of these botting players. Then I decided to visit Iron Marches, in the Bloodfin Lake area (known area where you can find these "afk players") and it was fun to find Engineers who were constantly placing all the different turrets. So I proceeded to send a PM to the players to ask if and what they were to farm and I did not receive any response (10 minutes wait) (too busy placing the turrets to write?) Then I sent the report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarock.4592 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Is legal farming this way (afk and use pets&torrets) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 > @"ragnarock.4592" said: > Is legal farming this way (afk and use pets&torrets) No not Afk, but doing it this way, watching netflix, cooking or folding laundery while answering the GM personal messages is perfectly fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoosh.2718 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 I'll still stand by my belief that players who AFK farm set a bad image for the game. And some of them are 100% not legit players, Only takes 3 minutes to work out if someone is botting or not by the clockwork skills they are using, always in the same order. One way I found how to detect a macro user is this: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bouquet_of_Roses Throw that in to their hands before combat starts, and watch them still try to do their skills, they wont remove it from their hands. Slap them all with a temp ban then a longer ban if repeated then perma ban them out of the game if they do it for a 3rd time. Its a bad image, it sets the idea that its ok to cheat in gw2, it makes players also believe that Anet doesnt ban people and they do in some areas prevent honest players from completing a task quickly (ascalon STILL has that problem). I will guarantee that this thread will have an army of afk farmer defenders coming in. With the fact that there is a BIG rise in Bots / Cheaters, something needs to be done to deter people away from doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kharmin.7683 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Players may want to read and understand the official policy on this topic which can be found here: [https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/65548/policy-unattended-gameplay](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/65548/policy-unattended-gameplay#latest) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ylthan.1693 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Southsun Cove is plagued by afk farming necro to a point there are more of them than people actualy doing karka queen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitarskee.5738 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Seeing bots in any game is an infuriating experience. However, every MMORPG has them (most likely) and as long as people will profit from it, there will be more of them and more advanced. Not sure if there is a good way to fight them other than admins camping them and permabanning their accounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Childman.2135 Posted November 27, 2020 Author Share Posted November 27, 2020 > @"Linken.6345" said: > > @"ragnarock.4592" said: > > Is legal farming this way (afk and use pets&torrets) > > No not Afk, but doing it this way, watching netflix, cooking or folding laundery while answering the GM personal messages is perfectly fine. Another important thing is not to use macros to farm and simulate that you are not completely afk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Childman.2135 Posted November 27, 2020 Author Share Posted November 27, 2020 > @"ragnarock.4592" said: > Is legal farming this way (afk and use pets&torrets) could you kindly explain to me how an Engineer can place all the types of turrets that he can put in his skills while in AFK? in game you have the possibility to put the autoattack on only one skill. I am not aware that there is the option of being able to autoattack multiple skills at the same time? or did I miss this update? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 > @"Master Childman.2135" said: > > @"ragnarock.4592" said: > > Is legal farming this way (afk and use pets&torrets) > > could you kindly explain to me how an Engineer can place all the types of turrets that he can put in his skills while in AFK? in game you have the possibility to put the autoattack on only one skill. I am not aware that there is the option of being able to autoattack multiple skills at the same time? or did I miss this update? it is not how are you sure they are afk? They could speak another language or ignore msg from normal players only answering gms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Childman.2135 Posted November 27, 2020 Author Share Posted November 27, 2020 > @"kharmin.7683" said: > Players may want to read and understand the official policy on this topic which can be found here: [https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/65548/policy-unattended-gameplay](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/65548/policy-unattended-gameplay#latest) I think your answer can very clearly and simply make it clear to what extent a player who uses autoattack can be considered afk or not. [...] As a general policy, any form of unattended gameplay is prohibited in Guild Wars 2. This includes: the use of auto-casting abilities to farm while not at your computer or not actively playing the game. [...] [...] Note that this does not mean that you cannot be away from your computer (AFK) while you are online. Idling in a city or even in the open world is not prohibited, though your character should not perform actions, participate in content, or otherwise engage with the world while you are away from your computer. [...] So if you want to do laundry or cook or watch Netflix, please avoid farming, even using in-game the autoattack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nythrilyn.2146 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Let their minions have natural health degen, like the minions in Guild Wars (ofc summoning minions out of thin air in this version still makes no sense to me BUT...) make giving the minions the same properties as they were in Guild Wars, once summoned they start losing their health, and if not healed by the master, they die, in combat or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Childman.2135 Posted November 27, 2020 Author Share Posted November 27, 2020 > @"Linken.6345" said: > > @"Master Childman.2135" said: > > > @"ragnarock.4592" said: > > > Is legal farming this way (afk and use pets&torrets) > > > > could you kindly explain to me how an Engineer can place all the types of turrets that he can put in his skills while in AFK? in game you have the possibility to put the autoattack on only one skill. I am not aware that there is the option of being able to autoattack multiple skills at the same time? or did I miss this update? > > it is not how are you sure they are afk? > > They could speak another language or ignore msg from normal players only answering gms. Let a GM decide if they are afk or not ... in the meantime I will report them; not hastily, but I give him enough time to try and respond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kharmin.7683 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 > @"Master Childman.2135" said: > > @"kharmin.7683" said: > > Players may want to read and understand the official policy on this topic which can be found here: [https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/65548/policy-unattended-gameplay](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/65548/policy-unattended-gameplay#latest) > > I think your answer can very clearly and simply make it clear to what extent a player who uses autoattack can be considered afk or not. [...] As a general policy, any form of unattended gameplay is prohibited in Guild Wars 2. This includes: the use of auto-casting abilities to farm while not at your computer or not actively playing the game. [...] > > [...] Note that this does not mean that you cannot be away from your computer (AFK) while you are online. Idling in a city or even in the open world is not prohibited, though your character should not perform actions, participate in content, or otherwise engage with the world while you are away from your computer. [...] > > So if you want to do laundry or cook or watch Netflix, please avoid farming, even using in-game the autoattack. I agree. This is why players should simply report suspected AFK and let Anet sort it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Healix.5819 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 > @"Master Childman.2135" said: > could you kindly explain to me how an Engineer can place all the types of turrets that he can put in his skills while in AFK? in game you have the possibility to put the autoattack on only one skill. I am not aware that there is the option of being able to autoattack multiple skills at the same time? or did I miss this update? ArenaNet only does something if the person fails to respond, so with that in mind, they do it by using a macro to use their skills and a program to "call for help" when something happens. For the more casual ones, they simply have the game running in the background and use the skills when they happen to think about it / notice it. Back in the day, ArenaNet far more strict and would simply ban them on the spot, including anyone that happened to be next to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoosh.2718 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 > @"Healix.5819" said: > > @"Master Childman.2135" said: > > could you kindly explain to me how an Engineer can place all the types of turrets that he can put in his skills while in AFK? in game you have the possibility to put the autoattack on only one skill. I am not aware that there is the option of being able to autoattack multiple skills at the same time? or did I miss this update? > > ArenaNet only does something if the person fails to respond, so with that in mind, they do it by using a macro to use their skills and a program to "call for help" when something happens. For the more casual ones, they simply have the game running in the background and use the skills when they happen to think about it / notice it. > > Back in the day, ArenaNet far more strict and would simply ban them on the spot, including anyone that happened to be next to them. This system is too easy to fool. Use a macro, watch a movie, do other things and just keep tabs on your chat window for a GM message to pop in, while not touching the keys once. This is why a blanket ban system must be adopted, stamp out what could get worse... which is getting worse. Look at the rise in actual bots, look at the rise in cheaters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ylthan.1693 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 There's a big sweep to do in southsun cove every day dozens of afk farming necros are there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarock.4592 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 > @"Smoosh.2718" said: > > @"Healix.5819" said: > > > @"Master Childman.2135" said: > > > could you kindly explain to me how an Engineer can place all the types of turrets that he can put in his skills while in AFK? in game you have the possibility to put the autoattack on only one skill. I am not aware that there is the option of being able to autoattack multiple skills at the same time? or did I miss this update? > > > > ArenaNet only does something if the person fails to respond, so with that in mind, they do it by using a macro to use their skills and a program to "call for help" when something happens. For the more casual ones, they simply have the game running in the background and use the skills when they happen to think about it / notice it. > > > > Back in the day, ArenaNet far more strict and would simply ban them on the spot, including anyone that happened to be next to them. > > This system is too easy to fool. Use a macro, watch a movie, do other things and just keep tabs on your chat window for a GM message to pop in, while not touching the keys once. > > This is why a blanket ban system must be adopted, stamp out what could get worse... which is getting worse. Look at the rise in actual bots, look at the rise in cheaters. If the people use multi box and don´t use macros is legal. Policy A player may own and operate several accounts, but they may do so only when they play and control each account independently of any other account. This means that: Each account must be attended at all times. Each account must be operated independently of each other. Accounts must not be operated simultaneously using macros or bots. One keystroke should translate to one action on one account. https://help.guildwars2.com/hc/en-us/articles/360013658134-Policy-Dual-or-Multi-Boxing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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