dzeRnumbrd.6129 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Certain stat selectable armour (like Blood Ruby trinkets) do not have the newer stats available. I'm sure this was done so that players couldn't immediately buy the new stats with their old currency. HOWEVER! PoF has been out for a very long time now and the reason for making it exclusive on launch is no longer valid. It is time to add grieving / harrier to the list of "all stats" for stat selectable armour and trinkets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptAurellian.9537 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 This is no bug. LS3 belongs to HoT, so LS3 items have core and HoT stats. They are _not_ all-stat trinkets. Grieving, as a PoF stat, obviously does not belong there. Likewise, the new LS4 trinkets only have core and PoF stats, but not HoT ones. This is, imho, a much bigger problem in the long term, as PoF does not offer universally attractive stat combos (e.g. viper, minstrel) like HoT does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashantara.8731 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 > @"dzeRnumbrd.6129" said: > Certain stat selectable armour (like Blood Ruby trinkets) do not have the newer stats available. That's because they are HoT items. The new PoF trinkets don't have the HoT stats available, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dzeRnumbrd.6129 Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 > @"Ashantara.8731" said: > > @"dzeRnumbrd.6129" said: > > Certain stat selectable armour (like Blood Ruby trinkets) do not have the newer stats available. > That's because they are HoT items. The new PoF trinkets don't have the HoT stats available, either. I already know that. I'm saying that HoT items need to now include PoF stats because PoF has been out for long enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dzeRnumbrd.6129 Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 > @"CptAurellian.9537" said: > This is no bug. LS3 belongs to HoT, so LS3 items have core and HoT stats. They are _not_ all-stat trinkets. Grieving, as a PoF stat, obviously does not belong there. Likewise, the new LS4 trinkets only have core and PoF stats, but not HoT ones. This is, imho, a much bigger problem in the long term, as PoF does not offer universally attractive stat combos (e.g. viper, minstrel) like HoT does. I already know that. I'm saying that HoT items need to now include PoF stats because PoF has been out for long enough. At the time of HoT those items were "all stats". Only when PoF came along did they stop being "all stat" they were turned into "all stats except PoF" (because they wanted to make you earn the new stats within PoF). PoF has now been out long enough that it is an appropriate time to restore these items to being "all stat" items. I think it would be far more appropriate to make every "all stats" item adjust the avaialble stats on your ownership of the expansion packs. So only if you own a certain expansion pack do you get to select the stats from that expansion pack because really that's the true intention here isn't it? To make you buy the expansion. I own both expansions so I'd like to choose Grieving trinkets on my Blood Ruby ascended gear. It's not really a bug but is something that needs to be cleaned up and there is no "Suggestions" sub forum is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashantara.8731 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 > @"dzeRnumbrd.6129" said: > I already know that. I'm saying that HoT items need to now include PoF stats because PoF has been out for long enough. I used to think that, too, but have changed my mind about it by now, because marketing logic. ANet wants you to acquire the respective content. If HoT items had the PoF stats added, theoretically people wouldn't have to buy Living World Season 4, you see? It's a simple marketing decision, and while it might be less comfortable for us, it only makes sense regarding new/future players. Therefore, each chapter of GW2 will have its own stats exclusively available there. The only stat combos that will always be available everywhere are the basic ones (the "starter stat combos", so to speak). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crepuscular.9047 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 adding to the above that these items are HoT's Living World seasons items, it promotes people to travel to the map to do the map currency / unique mats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 In the future we will have all legendary items in all slots and not having to worry about season worlds tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dzeRnumbrd.6129 Posted June 21, 2018 Author Share Posted June 21, 2018 > @"Ashantara.8731" said: > I used to think that, too, but have changed my mind about it by now, because marketing logic. ANet wants you to acquire the respective content. I already covered that point earlier when I said: So only if you own a certain expansion pack do you get to select the stats from that expansion pack because really that's the true intention here isn't it? To make you buy the expansion. I own both expansions so I'd like to choose Grieving trinkets on my Blood Ruby ascended gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illconceived Was Na.9781 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 > @"dzeRnumbrd.6129" said: > > @"Ashantara.8731" said: > > I used to think that, too, but have changed my mind about it by now, because marketing logic. ANet wants you to acquire the respective content. > > I already covered that point earlier when I said: > > So only if you own a certain expansion pack do you get to select the stats from that expansion pack because really that's the true intention here isn't it? To make you buy the expansion. I own both expansions so I'd like to choose Grieving trinkets on my Blood Ruby ascended gear. > > It's also to get people to play the different maps, not just as a reward for making a one time purchase. So you might have "covered that point" to your satisfaction, but I hope you can see that it won't be a compelling argument for ANet when they decide whether to revisit the strategy and make significant changes to the rewards available in LS maps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gop.8713 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 I don't find the op's argument persuasive but w/e, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But my question is why post in the bug forum . . ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllNightPlayer.1286 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Tell me more about [not selectable combinations](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/39185/bringer-giver-still-unavailable-on-mist-trinkets ""). ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve The Cynic.3217 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 > @"AllNightPlayer.1286" said: > Tell me more about [not selectable combinations](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/39185/bringer-giver-still-unavailable-on-mist-trinkets ""). ;) Or, indeed, why does [Glint's Bastion](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Glint%27s_Bastion "Glint's Bastion") not have Berserker as a selectable stat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarshallLaw.9260 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 > @"dzeRnumbrd.6129" said: > Certain stat selectable armour (like Blood Ruby trinkets) do not have the newer stats available. > > I'm sure this was done so that players couldn't immediately buy the new stats with their old currency. > > HOWEVER! > > PoF has been out for a very long time now and the reason for making it exclusive on launch is no longer valid. > > It is time to add grieving / harrier to the list of "all stats" for stat selectable armour and trinkets. I agree that there are some missing selectable stats in various places such as - _Why does the ascended Orders backpack obtained through a HoT collection lack all of the HoT stat combos (Viper/Seraph/Commander/Minstrel/etc) when the comparable PoF banners collections provide backpacks with all PoF stats (Marshall/Harrier/Grieving)?_ and _Why can you select any stat combo (providing you have the expac) on ascended **armor** from Fractals/PvP/WvW but only have the basic core stats on the ascended backpiece (Wings of Ascension)?_ When it comes to map and LS specific trinkets/gear, it's understandable why they make it limited - it's to encourage players to engage in new content rather than recycling their old materials. I would recommend investing in Mist trinkets from Fractals/PvP/WvW since you can adjust stats to any combo you need (apart from Givers and Bringers apparently) for a very small cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnius Magius.8091 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 This subject should be offered up as a suggestion not reported as a bug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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