Rune of defender, are you kidding me?

[Ashantara.8731]

> @"Shadowcat.2680" said:

> This runeset is a firebrand's wet dream.

 

In WvW maybe (although you will then have to add health via infusions instead), and any other group activity were you require a dedicated healer/supporter. In open world PvE, however, it isn't, because you will want to be doing _a lot_ more damage. ;)

[Morte de Angelis.7986]

> @"Miellyn.6847" said:

> > @"Morte de Angelis.7986" said:

> > > @"Miellyn.6847" said:

> > > > @"RisenHowl.2419" said:

> > > > > @"GDchiaScrub.3241" said:

> > > > > Dunno bebe. The Rune of Sanctuary with 20% incoming heals added as barrier sounds pretty good too, if it has no cooldown. RIP Demon Summoning Sigil though!

> > > > >

> > > > > D:

> > > >

> > > > It's broken, no cd means perm 25 stacks of might, condi immunity, and 15k barrier is permanently up. They'll add a cd of 5s next tuesday, so enjoy it this week

> > >

> > > Nah, just nerf Necromancer. It is the only class that can abuse this rune that hard. Why should we kill an interesting concept because one class is broken with it when the traits still work fine with an ICD on them?

> >

> > Why should we nerf a class because Anet didn't think when they changes the runes?

>

> Because the trait in question 'Abrasive Grit' still works completely fine with an ICD of 2 or 3 seconds while preserving the concept of the rune. Everything else is completely fine.

 

Or they could change the rune without nerfing a class cause Anet can't balance

[Khisanth.2948]

Does this count projectile block?

 

Winds of Disenchantment in the middle of a zerg fight to get back 25% of your health ...

[Blocki.4931]

I actually think this rune is fine. Opening up usability and allowing you to actually utilize it on multiple classes is great. The long cooldown was simply too restrictive. Now they'll have to do some cleaning up, hopefully not just slapping a longer cd on it in case it does turn out to be too good.

[mixxed.5862]

> @"Morte de Angelis.7986" said:

> > @"Miellyn.6847" said:

> > > @"Morte de Angelis.7986" said:

> > > > @"Miellyn.6847" said:

> > > > > @"RisenHowl.2419" said:

> > > > > > @"GDchiaScrub.3241" said:

> > > > > > Dunno bebe. The Rune of Sanctuary with 20% incoming heals added as barrier sounds pretty good too, if it has no cooldown. RIP Demon Summoning Sigil though!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > D:

> > > > >

> > > > > It's broken, no cd means perm 25 stacks of might, condi immunity, and 15k barrier is permanently up. They'll add a cd of 5s next tuesday, so enjoy it this week

> > > >

> > > > Nah, just nerf Necromancer. It is the only class that can abuse this rune that hard. Why should we kill an interesting concept because one class is broken with it when the traits still work fine with an ICD on them?

> > >

> > > Why should we nerf a class because Anet didn't think when they changes the runes?

> >

> > Because the trait in question 'Abrasive Grit' still works completely fine with an ICD of 2 or 3 seconds while preserving the concept of the rune. Everything else is completely fine.

>

> Or they could change the rune without nerfing a class cause Anet can't balance

 

The best solution would be to keep both as they are but to simply not let the barrier granted by the rune effect trigger Abrasive Grit or any trait whatsoever.

[zealex.9410]

Who ever was responsible for some of the rune changes should've worked closely with the balance team.

[Shadowcat.2680]

> @"Ashantara.8731" said:

> > @"Shadowcat.2680" said:

> > This runeset is a firebrand's wet dream.

>

> In WvW maybe (although you will then have to add health via infusions instead), and any other group activity were you require a dedicated healer/supporter. In open world PvE, however, it isn't, because you will want to be doing _a lot_ more damage. ;)

 

This thread was in the WvW forum when I made that comment.

[Miellyn.6847]

> @"Morte de Angelis.7986" said:

> > @"Miellyn.6847" said:

> > > @"Morte de Angelis.7986" said:

> > > > @"Miellyn.6847" said:

> > > > > @"RisenHowl.2419" said:

> > > > > > @"GDchiaScrub.3241" said:

> > > > > > Dunno bebe. The Rune of Sanctuary with 20% incoming heals added as barrier sounds pretty good too, if it has no cooldown. RIP Demon Summoning Sigil though!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > D:

> > > > >

> > > > > It's broken, no cd means perm 25 stacks of might, condi immunity, and 15k barrier is permanently up. They'll add a cd of 5s next tuesday, so enjoy it this week

> > > >

> > > > Nah, just nerf Necromancer. It is the only class that can abuse this rune that hard. Why should we kill an interesting concept because one class is broken with it when the traits still work fine with an ICD on them?

> > >

> > > Why should we nerf a class because Anet didn't think when they changes the runes?

> >

> > Because the trait in question 'Abrasive Grit' still works completely fine with an ICD of 2 or 3 seconds while preserving the concept of the rune. Everything else is completely fine.

>

> Or they could change the rune without nerfing a class cause Anet can't balance

 

 

Why rework something again when a simple ICD on a trait fixes the problem and changes nothing outside of that interaction with that specific rune? You won't even notice an ICD of 1 second on the trait in any scenerio outside of using the rune.

[Ashantara.8731]

> @"Shadowcat.2680" said:

> > @"Ashantara.8731" said:

> > > @"Shadowcat.2680" said:

> > > This runeset is a firebrand's wet dream.

> >

> > In WvW maybe (although you will then have to add health via infusions instead), and any other group activity were you require a dedicated healer/supporter. In open world PvE, however, it isn't, because you will want to be doing _a lot_ more damage. ;)

>

> This thread was in the WvW forum when I made that comment.

 

Whoever moved it here then totally ruined the logic behind the statement. Sometimes the mods are overly eager it seems. ;)

[Warmachinez.8710]

Tested this today, seems to be fixed now, at least the heal works, but combat log still does not show the heal.

[Shagaliscious.6281]

> @"Shadowcat.2680" said:

> This runeset is a firebrand's wet dream.

 

They made monk runes so OP to not use them would be stupid though.

[Draco.9480]

should make ICD 20-30s. this is too much.

[Blocki.4931]

> @"Draco.9480" said:

> should make ICD 20-30s. this is too much.

 

Would make it unviable again. No thanks.

[Shaogin.2679]

Can't wait to try this on my Necro... oh wait

[moonboi.1764]

So maybe I’m reading the patch notes wrong but wouldn’t the change to defender runes make it even more powerful if the heal is triggering in down state?

[Gaile Gray.6029]

So, a question: This thread seems to have been moved, and not by me. In your opinion, would it be best suited for the WvW Subforum?

[Randulf.7614]

> @"Gaile Gray.6029" said:

> So, a question: This thread seems to have been moved, and not by me. In your opinion, would it be best suited for the WvW Subforum?

 

No, i think any concerns cross other modes albeit in different degrees.

[Dadnir.5038]

> @"Shaogin.2679" said:

> Can't wait to try this on my Necro... oh wait

 

Come on, maybe one day, being hit while in shroud will count as a block.

[Nightshade.2570]

> @"CRrabbit.1284" said:

> (1): +25 Toughness

> (2): +35 Healing

> (3): +50 Toughness

> (4): +65 Healing

> (5): +100 Toughness

> (6): 10% increased maximum health; restores 5% of your maximum health when blocking an attack. (COOLDOWN: 1s)

>

> Do you know many aegis/block FB and mesmer has ????

> Where does developer get the idea to give 5% heal every SECOND ????

 

They were to busy nerfing Scourges abrasive grit to care... :)

[Inculpatus cedo.9234]

> @"Gaile Gray.6029" said:

> So, a question: This thread seems to have been moved, and not by me. In your opinion, would it be best suited for the WvW Subforum?

 

Well, it started in General, or, at least, it was in General before.

[Astralporing.1957]

> @"Morte de Angelis.7986" said:

> > @"Miellyn.6847" said:

> > > @"RisenHowl.2419" said:

> > > > @"GDchiaScrub.3241" said:

> > > > Dunno bebe. The Rune of Sanctuary with 20% incoming heals added as barrier sounds pretty good too, if it has no cooldown. RIP Demon Summoning Sigil though!

> > > >

> > > > D:

> > >

> > > It's broken, no cd means perm 25 stacks of might, condi immunity, and 15k barrier is permanently up. They'll add a cd of 5s next tuesday, so enjoy it this week

> >

> > Nah, just nerf Necromancer. It is the only class that can abuse this rune that hard. Why should we kill an interesting concept because one class is broken with it when the traits still work fine with an ICD on them?

>

> Why should we nerf a class because Anet didn't think when they changes the runes?

Because "nerf necro" seems to be a perfectly viable solution for _any_ problem in this game.

 

[style.6173]

This thread was a good example of an immediate over-reaction. This won't have a huge impact on WvW. It is a selfish rune while most FB need more of a group support rune (monk, water, etc)

[Tom.5914]

the rune is completly crap now, before the nerf it was a great choice

[Jski.6180]

Over all all the runes update made the game super bunker and are comply over powers. Its like the ppl who worked on the runes / sigil do not even play the game.

[otto.5684]

> @"CRrabbit.1284" said:

> (1): +25 Toughness

> (2): +35 Healing

> (3): +50 Toughness

> (4): +65 Healing

> (5): +100 Toughness

> (6): 10% increased maximum health; restores 5% of your maximum health when blocking an attack. (COOLDOWN: 1s)

>

> Do you know many aegis/block FB and mesmer has ????

> Where does developer get the idea to give 5% heal every SECOND ????

 

Assuming 20k HP pool that would be 1k HP per block per sec. Even at best odds on any class you can maybe block 6-7 secs out of 20 secs. So 3-4K in a 10 sec window. That’s one AA from most classes nowadays ?

 

It is obviously strong but hardly as OP as you make it seem. If they drop it from 5% to 3% it will be fine.